150 responses to “Sandbox – 1jan16”

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   jon smith

   03 January 2016

   Ikes is a nice blend of quirkiness and damn good eats for a fair price.Good place, especially the porch in summer. Jeff better hop hop on over and tell the Sherpas that as of January 1, kangaroo products (including jerky) are illegal to sell. He’s probably already dialed 911 to have a word with his favorite sheriff.

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   George Rebane

   03 January 2016

   PaulE 1116pm – I should use the more precise label of ‘minimally regulated market’ instead of ‘open market’, although the ideas concur. My last personal experience with such a market working very well was in our own US as late as the 1950s.
   We’ve circled this barn before several times over the years, and both know that openness of markets is a relative term, and that various business interests have always sought the government’s gun for protection from competition. That’s the basis for corporatism – the government’s gun is always for hire to the highest bidders. And that is why Rebane Doctrine calls for clearing the ‘shelves of government’ from inventory they can sell.
   The more government controls, the more it can sell, and the more corrupt it and the nation become. Big socialist countries are prime examples, and bringing forth small culturally cohesive countries as counter examples for us to emulate indicates that people are not clear on the concept (besides leading to tiresome exchanges).

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   Bill Tozer

   03 January 2016

   Jon and jon smith. The only problem I have with Nevada City is all those strange looks I get sipping on a cup of mud. It’s not even something I said….for once. Enjoy your day.
   https://image-store.slidesharecdn.com/02d31f5a-8fd6-469a-b907-384725384ffb-large.jpeg

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   Bill Tozer

   03 January 2016

   I am back, briefly. This article reminds me a lot about antedotal evidence my sister experienced in the Womem’s Movement, as well as Tammy Bruce (albeit this link is about race). We just can’t escape race in America I suppose, but I digress.
   One day my sister wanted to raise a family with her soulmate boyfriend, whom she later married.. The Women’s Movement at that time offered no support for her endeavor. . Zero. She was fulling her empowerment for her life, yet her choice was ridiculed as a sellout of the Movement, which ironically was based on women making their own choices in life. She was told to have an abortion “for the sisterhood” and climb the workplace ladder. She was apparently not free to choose to be a stay at home Mom, nor quit her job, nor homeschool her children. No room at the inn for that kind of bad thinking. But, she argued she needs and wants a partner in life and men are not evil nor the enemy. She saw a partner husband as fulfilling her aspirations, not someone to be berated or discarded..
   Anyways, that kind of thinking my sister faced back when is what some enlightened black people face today in our “fall in line” liberal mantra. Parallels are striking. The nail that stands up will be pounded down.
   http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-0103-williams-black-victim-self-definition-20160103-story.html

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   Ben Emery

   03 January 2016

   For all of you who support disenfranchising people of color through unnecessary Voter ID laws.
   The author of the article Lauren Carasik is a clinical professor of law and the director of the international human rights clinic at the Western New England University School of Law.
   http://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2015/10/alabamas-dmv-closures-reinforce-need-to-restore-the-voting-rights-act.html
   “On Sept. 30, Alabama announced plans to shutter nearly half its driver’s license offices, citing budget constraints. The decision came a year after the state implemented a new ID requirement to vote, purportedly to protect against voter fraud.
   At least half a million Alabamans, or 20 percent of the state’s registered voters, lack a driver’s license or alternative DMV-issued ID. As with the restrictive ID law, civil rights advocates say the closure of 31 DMV offices — disproportionately affecting poor, rural communities where black people make up a large share of the population — narrows access to IDs and, as a result, will disfranchise black voters. State officials insist that their decision was not race based. Irrespective of intent, the move will suppress black votes.
   The closures target communities that lack easy access to public transportation. Nearly 14 percent of black families do not own a vehicle, while only 4 percent of families are without private transportation. Of the 10 counties with the highest percentages of black residents, only two will have DMV offices. Unsurprisingly, the DMV closures affect 53 percent of the 15 counties that voted for President Barack Obama in 2012 and the five counties that voted most heavily Democratic in that election. Meanwhile, 40 offices will remain open in the 55 counties that are predominantly white.”

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   George Rebane

   03 January 2016

   re BenE’s 1127am – fortunately the data on black voters and voting counters Al Jazeera’s breathless reporting. When voters are properly vetted, the data shows that minority voting rates have ALWAYS gone up – people like to vote when they know that their legal votes will actually count.
   But unfortunately, as with all leftwing news reporting, Mr Emery’s DMV closures report is not exactly accurate/complete which for some reason he fails to tell us.
   http://www.governing.com/topics/politics/drivers-license-offices-will-reopen-on-limited-basis.html
   Let’s wait for the dust to settle on this claim of disenfranchising black voters through unnecessary voter ID laws. No RR commenter has ever evinced supporting illegally selective voting rights, however, all those on the Right are guilty as charged for opposing illegal voting.

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7. 

   Don Bessee

   03 January 2016

   Saudis have broken diplomatic relations with Iran. Gave the Iranians 48 hours to depart the kingdom.

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   Bill Tozer

   03 January 2016

   Oh Ben, every location where the DMV offices were closed a person could still seek and obtain a State issued ID in the same building, down the hall.
   Making someone travel further to get a drivers license due to budget cuts is one thing. Having no change of places to get a State ID for voting. is quite another. Do you see a bogeyman behind every bush? Or, are you confusing Voter ID with the ability to drive? Me thinks your opposition to Voter ID laws does not apply to seeking to legally drive as opposed to legally seeking to vote. Politics trumps substance once again.

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   Scott Obermuller

   03 January 2016

   Ben Emery – as well as most left wing racists – think non-Euros can’t get along in life with out constant govt hand holding and freebies. If the state closed every DMV anywhere near where I lived, I’d still figure out a way to get there with no trouble at all.
   Folks of African descent living in the US are taught by racist white boys like Ben to just sit down and pitch a fit every time they encounter any issue of any sort and promptly blame white conservatives.
   There are, of course, plenty of folks of all skin color that manage just fine on their own despite the constant bleatings of racist white left wing fools.
   The real issue is for Ben to find an actual person who wants to vote and makes an effort to obtain an ID and is not able to because of white conservatives.
   That person doesn’t exist outside of Ben’s fertile and hate-filled imagination.

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    Walt

    03 January 2016

    You should read the posts from the LIBS.
    http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2016/01/drama_in_burns_ends_with_quiet.html
    I don’t recall reading posts from people on the Right calling for the killing of OWS protesters, or Wiss. capital “occupiers”.

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    Bill Tozer

    03 January 2016

    Scott, you are on to something. If one wishes to vote, it takes will. The will to not wait until the election has passed, the will to vote (either by mail or in person), will to fill out the voter registration forms, etc. States with Voter ID laws bend over backwards to help people obtain an ID. They offer free shuttles to the offices that issue State IDs, engage in public education, and even help folks gather acceptable forms of ID, from utility bills to taking affiliates, all a great expense. Ben calls it voter suppression.
    So, Ben leaves us with few options. Either the person who wants to vote is lacking will (lazy), is stupid (an inferior race), has been so cuddled that the potential voter demands to vote without having the rules applied to the them, or demands others do the legwork for them (avoiding personal responsibity for taking ownership of one’s own actions/life). Or, whitely is blocking the coloreds from voting in 2016.
    https://www.facebook.com/wallypeople/photos/a.505718382813084.143820.111286655589594/1079484918769758/?type=3&theater
    Scott: saw this and thought of you.
    https://www.facebook.com/RachelGibson/photos/a.421001535790.214840.319736500790/10151627915785791/?type=3&theater

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    Don Bessee

    03 January 2016

    The Daily Caller is reporting that madam pantsuits is denying she told families of Benghazi victims the video was to blame. So all the Hero’s families and the people who were they are lying now? How Lewinsky story line of her. I was at a talk by one of the surviving Hero’s whos book became a movie. Check em out.

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    Bonnie McGuire

    04 January 2016

    Regarding the DMV car licenses, drivers licenses and ID cards. Husband Mel got an ID card at DMV for $10 about five years ago. The following is from my older sister who was born, raised and worked in California until she retired from working at the bank and moved to Oregon so that her husband (a retired Calif. Fireman) could be closer to Kaiser Hospital that he was insured with. He passed away a couple of years ago and she moved back to California. Evidently different DMVs follow different rules. One wouldn’t license he car, renew her stellar drivers license, or even obtain an ID card. Here’s her story. My advice to her is for her to write to the Governor because agencies are subservant…and will respond to orders from headquarters.
    “I took my Oregon drivers license in with a copy of my birth certificate, soc. sec. card, medicare card and my and Bill’s marriage license. My birth certificate did not have “Virginia” listed as the “female” child’s name and printed on the certificate is “if child is not named make supplemental report as directed.”
    As far as I know that report was never made. Uncle Will delivered me. Then, because I didn’t have the marriage certificate for Gene and myself and they could not find a record of my ever being licensed in California, I was told a Calif. drivers license could not be issued until I had that further documentation.
    A new law stated that the DMV must show a clear transition from birth to present. My Oregon license has now expired and I am not going through all the BS to get a Calif. license. I realize my driving days are limited.
    Knowing that because of my age (87) I had to anticipate certain problems, possibly having to prove that I could drive, see, hear, etc.,but that didn’t happen. I never expected this. Then I said OK no drivers license, but would you then please issue a photo ID. I explained that is often needed for a visit to a doctors office, pharmacy and often even a hospital. I never thought of voter ID. The answer was “NO” – because of the lack of “proper” identification. The fact that I had an Oregon license and that Identification had been accepted there did not matter either and no exceptions could be made, because I asked. At least this office of the DMV was more than happy to accept my six month license fee of $250 and did read the documents revoking the trust.
    I think that the old predjudice of Oregonians coming to Calif. still exists. I had an equally bad time trying to get the car registered here at a different DMV office because it was in the name of a revocable living trust. They wouldn’t even look at the paper work. The trust had been revoked. The death certificate was an original. They wanted me to go to Oregon, have it re-registered and then come back. Didn’t happen, but at least the van can be driven legally here now, but not by me.”

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    Michael R. Kesti

    04 January 2016

    The FUE has certainly been an uncommonly good neighbor lately. He has advertised two NCTP raffles on his web site! It is true that he did post one after the fact but practice made perfect and the other he posted in a very timely manner.

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    rl crabb

    04 January 2016

    I had a problem re-registering my car from Washington state back in 1993. Even though the car (’86 Chevy Malibu Wagon) had been built in the bay area and passed smog with flying colors, I was nicked for $400 for the privilege of driving here. Years later the state was forced to reimburse me, without interest of course.

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16. 

    fish

    04 January 2016

    Posted by: Michael R. Kesti | 04 January 2016 at 04:35 PM
    Fascinating how many unverified (first name only) posters the FUE is “suddenly” allowing to post on this topic.

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    Bill Tozer

    04 January 2016

    Yo Walt, did you hear about those wack jobs taking over some Federal Building? I knew it would come to this sooner or later.
    http://patriotpost.us/posts/39791
    More on the War on Women: it’s getting angry out there, very very worrisome.
    https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.217983685002343.55586.217926015008110/772749032859136/?type=3&theater

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    Bill Tozer

    04 January 2016

    Boy, the left is going nuts attacking a straw man bigger than the Burning Man. Hey, dirt and crystal worshipers, don’t trespass on non Federally owned land. That’s also called “private property” in lawyerese. Scream banana heads, scream! Too funny.
    http://www.weather.com/science/nature/news/wyoming-national-parks-illegal-data-pictures

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    Walt

    04 January 2016

    This will keep Paul and the pot growers up at night. Oh.. Yaaa.. Almost forgot.. CALLED IT!
    http://dailycaller.com/2016/01/04/tobacco-giants-eye-lucrative-50-billion-marijuana-market/
    “Big dope” is working overtime.

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    Michael R. Kesti

    04 January 2016

    Walt 04Jan16 10:23 PM
    I don’t see that the so-called tobacco giants participating in a legal marijuana market should keep anybody up at night. What is the perceived problem?

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    Don Bessee

    04 January 2016

    While I am not sure about being up all night. The fact remains that the same people who brought us joe camel and spuds McKenzie bud light marketing to children are all in that mix now. Court cases proved their documents show they know to brand imprint kids by 13 and that is a real concern for parents and society. Listen to their new talking points, its not patients it PROFITS. At least they are being honest about it after all these years.

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    Michael R. Kesti

    04 January 2016

    Don Bessee 04Jan16 at 11:06 PM
    OK, Don, but R.J. Reynolds and Budweiser have been prohibited from using such techniques and I would expect them to be similarly prohibited in the marketing of marijuana.
    I favor legalization for recreational use so patients vs profits is a non-issue for me.
    See you soon!

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    Don Bessee

    05 January 2016

    You would be wrong Kesti, last year the industry in CO refused to comply with simple changes to keep from marketing to kids. Patients v. profits is the current legislative issue every community in CA is working on now.

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    George Rebane

    05 January 2016

    Re MJ, there are two issues confused here. First, the impact of big tobacco getting into the MJ biz; second, how/whether big tobacco will abide by existing laws on promoting MJ. What should keep the promoters of the much vaunted (by the Left) MJ cottage industry up at night is that big tobacco will make cottage grown MJ unmarketable given that the state will not add excessive taxes and regs to its distribution and consumption. Black (cottage) markets will survive and thrive if the state so wills it.
    Have no idea how big tobacco will play their MJ marketing game. DonB has promised to enlighten us on the con issues.

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    Michael R. Kesti

    05 January 2016

    I have recently returned to my home after attending the noon session of the NCTP presentation titled “2016 Marijuana Legislation Update” featuring Don Bessee, the Executive Director of Smart Approaches to Marijuana (SAM) of Northern California. These are my thoughts.
    C.J. Bryant made and served a fabulous beef, pasta and vegetable soup.
    Unless silent supporters were present, the attendees were unanimously in disagreement with Don and SAM. Don’s consistent fallback position was that SAM’s position is in alignment with current legislation and ordinances.
    Through no fault of his own, some of the attendees turned Don’s presentation into a discussion forum. Surprisingly little heat was released but much of the light that might have been revealed was shaded by speakers on both sides interrupting each other.
    SAM claims to base its policies on “reputable science and sound principles of public health and safety” but Don presented none of these in support of those positions. Instead, the reduction of property values due to residential grows and their fear of “Big Tobacco 2.0” appear to be the underpinnings of SAM’s positions.
    I heard nothing from either side to change my opinion that most marijuana related issues would be satisfactorily resolved by the legalization of marijuana and the regulation of its production, distribution, and consumption in manners very much like those currently applied to alcohol and tobacco.

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    Don Bessee

    05 January 2016

    Kesti, the topic today was the legislative issues related to ab266 not the broader national issues of the science nor was it about legalization. Great guests and thanks to the nice folks in the tea party for hosting! Having people on both sides interrupt each other is not consistent with your claim the attendees were unanimous. It was more like a split with the most vocal being advocates for commercial pot operations.

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    Don Bessee

    05 January 2016

    The event closed on a discussion about the significant dangers of butane hash oil production. There was absolute agreement between the Americans for Safe Access (read growers) and our position that access to bulk purchase butane should be dealt with like pseudoephedrine to keep from having more houses blow up, especially in light of the fact Nevada county lives in drought stressed forests.

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    Michael R. Kesti

    05 January 2016

    On further thought, Don, I may have been incorrect about the attendees’ unanimity. I took the gentleman who opined that medical marijuana is bullshit and that it’s about getting high to be in favor of legalization but I see now that this may not have been the case.
    Some of the thoughts I expressed in my 2:53 relate to this having been the first time I have considered SAM and its policies rather than what was said today. Perhaps I could have been more clear about that.
    Now that you have twice offered your handshake and expressed being pleased to have met me I would very much appreciate you calling me “Michael” or “Mr. Kesti” if you wish to be formal? I find being addressed by only my last name to be disrespectful.

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    Michael R. Kesti

    05 January 2016

    Don Bessee 05Jan16 04:03 PM
    Legalization could eliminate household production of BHO (Why suffer the risks of production if it can be legally purchased?) and therefore the demand for bulk butane.

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30. 

    George Boardman

    05 January 2016

    So Bessee, is the sheriff going to propose the supes pass a total ban on pot cultivation? I’d be shocked if he recommends anything else.

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    Don Bessee

    05 January 2016

    MK 432, the experience in CO shows that your theory did not hold up in practical application in the real world. Its an expanding problem in CO. Why buy extremely expensive when I can do it myself is the more common attitude and that’s a real problem.
    GB- I will let the Sheriff make his proposal and I expect he will articulately present the particulars very soon.

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    George Rebane

    05 January 2016

    DonB 533pm – Don, is it really the case that MJ consumers will be able to grow for their own consumption much more cheaply than buying from big tobacco? If there is no commercial prospect in the pot plant in your back yard, aren’t the associated costs with raising, harvesting, and packaging it for consumption quite a hassle? This is not a sandbag question, I really don’t know.

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    jon smith

    06 January 2016

    Any 12 year old can put a marijuana seed in the ground, water it, and 6 months later have some buds. People like Mr Bessee would like you to believe it is that simple. Commercial quality MJ is a VERY labor and process oriented crop. Growers guard their own fertilizer formulas and watering schedules. They continuously prune the plants for optimal production of quality buds. The fight against, mites, aphids, white flies, powdery mildew, Botritus . . . is non stop. There are people who do nothing but travel to grows in the fall to examine the trichomes under high magnification and measure the brix so that harvest is optimal. Post harvest processing is not simply trimming away with some Fiskars but curing and mold prevention and packaging. In short, unless there is a very large economic incentive, the average person is not going to grow MJ that comes anywhere close to commercial quality. Yes, I CAN grow grapes and make wine, but it makes absolutely no sense when I can go to Safeway and for ten bucks buy a bottle of something far better than I make.

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    George Rebane

    06 January 2016

    jons 921am – Well said Mr smith. Were RMJ to become legal in CA, the progressives’ celebrated “cottage industry” of grows would rapidly disappear, and along with it their noxious impact on community life. We do not hear of such cottage industries or of their attendant problems in CO and WA for obvious reasons.
    Having said this, the manner in which big tobacco will market its RMJ is yet to be seen, especially as it may impact underage consumers. However, we don’t hear of any such damage being done in states where RMJ consumption is legal. Are there reports we are missing?

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    Walt

    06 January 2016

    I have to disagree with Jon. Growing “killer sh**” isn’t as hard as he makes it out to be.
    Been there, done that. ( a fully non profit operation)

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    Walt

    06 January 2016

    LIBS love to use the line ” If it can save ONE life” to push their anti gun BS.
    Take a nice look at “all the lives saved” because of people with guns.
    http://dailycaller.com/2016/01/05/gun-control-owners-criminals/
    And that’s just one year. (and not even all are on that list.)

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    George Rebane

    06 January 2016

    I draw your kind attention to the latest updates on ‘Ruminations – 3jan16’.

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    Don Bessee

    06 January 2016

    Dr. R, I don’t think I need to explain why the lamestream only do stories that fit the pc narrative. The Rocky Mountain HIDTA 2015 report runs 230 pages that do not fit the narrative. I could put you in touch with the Director of SAM CO who sits on the Governors commission. She can tell you in detail about the massive marketing to kids and the industry fighting tooth and nail to not stop or change anything.
    I am very dubious about the claims of superiority of pot shop products given that in the last 13 weeks CO has recalled 13 types of bud/products. There is a whole commercial industrial base dedicated to helping small growers. Just look around or at the ads in the unions pot throw away. They have everything weed as well as classes, videos and so on. There are also products on the market that are self contained machines that control the humidity and light designed for condo or apartment dwellers. The manufacturer advertises that it will pay for itself in the first year. The reality of the high tax recreational weed in CO is that the street price raised significantly to just below medical weed which is taxed at a lower rate than recreational.

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    George Rebane

    06 January 2016

    DonB 1232pm – Do you conclude that “pot shop products” will coexist with ‘cottage industry’ products as currently purveyed (i.e. is the CO cottage industry still alive and well)? Are pot shop products equivalent to what we have been referring to as ‘big tobacco’ products, or are the latter a third category of pot quality?

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    Don Bessee

    06 January 2016

    The personal grows in CO are doing just fine. The little guy is primarily a bud producer with some going to the butane hash oil extreme. The pot shops sell a whole range of mimics of brand name chocolates that have spawned suits from the likes of Hersey’s. There are colored flavored sodas and a broad list of other items with infused high THC hash oil. Those will likely remain the purview of the retail stores. There will of course still be home made brownies and such for personal use.
    Tabaco 2.0 is the combination of industrial scale production with mass marketing that is the exact thing we have seen and rejected before like joe camel. Yesterday a report was released on marketing strategies the vaping industry is using to lure teens. With the mantra its just medicine and natural for years the perception of harms in youth is a very real threat to their developmental futures. Then they fill the pot shops shelves with products that look just like what the kids eat every day and you are seeing they are marketing to kids without a doubt.

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    jon smith

    06 January 2016

    Don: 1/6/16 12:32-
    You absolutely contradict much of your rhetoric by stating, “…in the last 13 weeks CO has recalled 13 types of bud/products.” It looks to me like this demonstrates a level of successful regulatory oversight and increased safety by legalization. When was the last time any state that outlaws MJ had a product safety recall? In Colorado the weed and products are tested for herbicides, fungicides, pesticides, and even contaminants such as fungus and dead insects.

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    Walt

    06 January 2016

    When “big dope” moves in, kiss “little dope” goodbye.(mom and pop supplemental income grower)
    Big dope will have gov. regulate them right out of the picture, and back into “illegal” growing status. Like Mr.Smith points out. Quality control. Big dope will say only they can keep quality up. So don’t count on the “little guy” to get in on the action as a few of “our” pro dopers suggest.
    Good bloody luck keeping big dope from cornering the market. They will do it the old fashioned way. Buy the politicians. Just like the AGW crowd did.

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    Bill Tozer

    06 January 2016

    C
    https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.217983685002343.55586.217926015008110/773747526092620/?type=3&theater
    https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.217983685002343.55586.217926015008110/773728369427869/?type=3&theater

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    Bill Tozer

    06 January 2016

    Russ, nothing new under the sun.
    http://dailycaller.com/2016/01/06/satellite-data-shows-2015-wasnt-even-close-to-being-the-hottest-year-on-record/

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45. 

    Walt

    06 January 2016

    “O” and Co. sure love treaties. They love to make them with our enemies, yet break them with our “friends”.
    Remember NAFTA? Well,, Canada is now sueing for breach of “treaty” over the XL pipeline denial. (and they have a good case)
    Too bad Crimea and the Ukraine don’t.

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    Bill Tozer

    06 January 2016

    Walt, have you seen the new bumper stickers yet? I Don’t Brake for Hillary.
    Yep, we have proven to be a reliable consistent alley…..to all the wrong people. O’s legacy.

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    Walt

    06 January 2016

    I may have to get me one of those Bill. But it seems “jon” lost his court battle down in Frisco. Nope, NO money for his mug shot.
    http://www.foxnews.com/science/2016/01/06/judge-rules-monkey-cannot-own-selfie-photos-copyright.html?intcmp=hplnws
    A damned good photo I will admit.
    Now why in Hell are we wasting court time on such a stupid case? The courtroom could have had been better used to scrap Ca’s illegal 10 day waiting period for a gun.(Deemed unconstitutional more than once.)

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    Don Bessee

    07 January 2016

    See ya all Tuesday the 12th at 130pm at the Board of Supervisors for the update of our County mmj cultivation ordinance in accordance with AB266. If you want to see the agenda go to http://www.mynevadacounty.com

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    Don Bessee

    07 January 2016

    Dr. R you blog has scooped the dark lord of liberal lament land on the mmj update! 😉

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    Don Bessee

    07 January 2016

    The other ‘jon’ misses the point. The industry cant be trusted. Even the ASA’s website speaks of the unreliability of the testing and point to incidents where one lab never failed anyone and others only finding about 40 percent of unacceptable elements. So given that and you have 13 recalls in such a short time, how much product went into unknowing bodies with contaminants? The bad actors continue to game the system and dispensaries quality is not being shown to be reliable.

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