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Tonight the FBI raided former President Trump’s Florida residence unannounced. This is an historical and unprecedented action which has horrible portents for our republic. I’ll have more to say about this, and so will RR readers who need a place to record their sentiments as this story develops over the next days. If there is no smoking gun produced by the DoJ in this case, then we have definitely transitioned into a political thugocracy.
I believe the Christian Science Monitor George, an unimpeachable source. They wrote this:
“According to an inventory list attached to the search warrant released Friday, the FBI removed three sets of secret documents from Mar-a-Lago, four sets of top-secret documents, and one set marked “TS/SCI documents,” an apparent reference to top-secret, sensitive compartmented information. ”
Read the whole story here:
https://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2022/0812/Mar-a-Lago-warrant-unsealed.-What-we-know-and-what-s-next
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Another wrinkle. Money quote:
“Brock noted the affidavit even acknowledged the president had the power to declassify and did not call the documents in dispute classified but rather documents with classified markings.”
‘Retired FBI boss disassembles Trump search warrant: Feds ‘going to regret this’
Retired Assistant Director Kevin Brock says FBI didn’t exhaust other means or appear to have established probable cause for search.
https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/all-things-trump/fbis-former-intel-chief-raid-trump-home-i-think-they-are-going
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“Brock noted the affidavit even acknowledged the president had the power to declassify and did not call the documents in dispute classified but rather documents with classified markings.”
Paul Emery blows donkeys.
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Trump had documents in his possession from his time as president. Said documents are by definition declassified and his. Period. Full stop.
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PaulE 803am – Are you aware that the whole declassification controversy is still not settled – one side claims everything that left the WH was declassified, the other side claims that nothing was declassified? Then there are people like you who consider the case closed – Trump surreptitiously and with sinister purpose took classified documents to Mar-a-Lago – and who want to talk only about what kind of criminal case must necessarily proceed from here.
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George, to me, it’s more of a sense that any particular MAL document held up in court as evidence can be dismissed as having been declassified, and the Pauls in the world getting excited are just engaged in their mass masturbatory jubilation one more time.
Paul, when you’re finished with that particular donkey, don’t forget the horse you rode in on. They’re waiting.
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Gregory and Circle of Jerks.
Psul’s frustration is that he cannot seem to get his point across. That VARY RELEVANT point not discussed to Punchy’s satisfaction (besides the ‘no need to be stated again #Resist TDS to give his life pleasure) is that he seems concerned that if Trump can hold Top Secret docs, then anybody can obtain such national security documents via the FOIA process. Trump still had the codes to the Nuclear Football! Just think if China ever got hold of our national security assessment of them. Opps, too late. Just caught two state department or CIA employees doing exactly that…sold our country down the tubes.
If anyone is selling our country down the tubes it is this current administration. If anyone should not get his hands on the launch codes, it’s Joe Biden and his party of War. But, it digress. 🙂
Paul, I mentioned to you from the get-go that we are entering uncharted legal territory. Untested ground. Nixon was a whole different case.
As Gregory’s excellent transcripts of Bill Barr being interviewed by Bari Weiss revealed, Barr said about the Russiagate Hoax th left is always getting to far out ahead of the actual investigation process and the maturity of the investigation
Paul, you are free to disagree, but me thinks you are getting too far out ahead and it is in that not developed to maturity case/investigation process is where you are most vulnerable connecting the dots and following the bouncing ball. What if Trump declares Martial Law on the 4th of July in DC?
“George, what is your opinion on that Trump IS going to fire a Müller? He better not. It would be a big mistake. Here is Trump’s exact words…. So Scott, what you think about Trump firing Mueller? “
Ok, everybody, through on your (jailhouse) lawyer hats. Michael Cohen is going to testify that….”
Paul, I can see why you don’t ‘give a fuck’ what Biden says or Kamala Harris our VP says or what Hillary did. ‘You guys talking about Hillary? Boring.boring, boring, boring. Sad.
‘I believe the 17 intel agencies that said Trump sucks donkey dongs and the Christian Science Monitor. And Democracy Now!
Let the case evolve, then ask what folks are wondering.
What do I think about Trump and Top Secret Docs?
What I always think. It is not wise to remove one’s armor before the battle begins. Nor boast like those who remove their armor.
We are in the 3rd inning Punch and, no worries, the RAID and JAN 6 will continue on to a few days. after the mid-terms. You got your work cut out for you. Then it’s on to the next very very relevant delusion of confusion. More Chaos. More Fear. More secret tapes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4y9NtHlJvbY
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George
Why is there no documentation of the files being declassified? Pretty simple thing. The fact is Trump claims he de-classsified the documents a year and a half ago ago and why is no written notice of what, when and where the files were when the alleged declassification took place. If you get any info on that topic post it so we will all know.
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Paul, have you finished topping off that donkey?
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“Domine, domine, domine. You’re all declassified now.”
-the President of the time
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“If you get any info on that topic post it so Royal We will all know.”
What do you mean we, paleface??
1) Paul, are you saying you cannot get info from your sources? Not reliable? Sketchy? That certainly does not speak well for your excellent sources, former News Director, or the lying Lamestream hysteria media you carry water for. Why need George?
2) Paul, you really believe George knows something that none of your Royal We’s know for sure.? Are you reaching out to Conservative Sources (besides the Wa Compost) for information you cannot find elsewhere? What, is your side silencing information again?
3) What, you didn’t like Trump’s Jan 19th memo or Radcliffe sending the Crossfire Hurricane File over to the Cabal to have them declassified for dissimulation? They (your trusted Corrupt FBI/DOJ top dogs) sure are dragging their feet on that one. Hey, it’s been over 19 months now still the proper government authorities got the request and it will take years to get them to cripple out a page here and there out of thousands.
Why pester George? What does Dr. Rebane’s secret decoder ring say? He has a hot line to The All Knowing Omnipotence, Omniscience, and Omnipresence Source, of course.
But, but, but Punch, if George does not know or have the answer, who are you going to call next? Ghost Busters, the lame sequel?
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PS: I though you were a vegetarian. Sucking donkey dongs sound rather carnivoresque. Probably makes a decent jerky and it is not like eating fresh meat. How long do you dry them for? Inquiring minds would like to know.
What’s your recipe for horse nuts? Same as chestnuts? Conservative and Unwoke sources are of absolutely no use on that topic, but The Woke, groomers, and Lefty sources have volumes on such perv (and illegal) matters. What you think about a Green Libertarians rutting on donkeys and gobbling animal jizem? My sources are worthless. Thought you would know.
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Get thee to the fainting couch oh great ponytail of ignorance –
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/judge-announces-preliminary-intent-appoint-special-master-review-trump-records-seized-fbi
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Gregory
My 1:44 questions are pertinent and relevant and need to be answered. They cannot and won’t be ignored. Once again here are my questions:
Why is there no documentation of the files being de-classified? Pretty simple thing. The fact is Trump claims he de-classified the documents a year and a half ago ago and there is no written notice of what, when and where the files were when the alleged declassification took place.
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Karl Rove agrees with me on classified documents possessed by Trump. These quotes came from Fox news
“Why he was holding on to these materials when he had no legal authority to do so under the Presidential Records Act is beyond me, “The Presidential Records Act is clear,” Rove said on Fox News. “A president does not have the right to leave the White House and pick and choose what documents he wants to take with him,” he continued. “He can ask for copies, but those are the property of the American people, and since 1978 no president has left with sort of picking and choosing their own documents.”
https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/3617375-karl-rove-beyond-me-why-trump-held-on-to-docs-when-he-had-no-legal-authority/
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“My 1:44 questions are pertinent and relevant and need to be answered.”
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Your questions are idiotic and have been answered multiple times.
A president doesn’t have to go through the process in place for non-presidents.
Back to blowing the donkeys for you, Punch.
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Punchy sez
“My 1:44 questions….need to be answered.”
Well, Paul, you act like you have the answers so why ask us? Why, why, why? Come on man, lay your cards face up on the table so we can all see and gain knowledge. That is assuming you have the holding the answer cards to your own questions.
Tell us what specifically ARE the answers to your own questions and we can all know instead of going through this silly guessing game. You getting warmer, warmer, colder, Cold!. warmer, warmer…..
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“Yet everyone is acting like that question has been answered.”
Excuse me for giving a damn, but what happened to the Trump raid story?
Two weeks ago, the FBI raid on Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago home was the biggest story on earth and seemingly one of the most consequential American news events since 9/11. The search inspired a few hours of social media jubilation, followed by roughly a week of frenzied leaking as a parade of national security soothsayers unspooled sinister scenarios on TV, and then — nothing. The line went dead. By last week’s end, the cancellation of Brian Stelter on CNN was a top national headline in comparison.
With a caveat that the relative quiet could be upended by a court decision Thursday, could we pause to reflect on the oddness of this episode? Has a story this big ever receded to the back pages this quickly?
Once the FBI finished searching, everyone from Andrew Cuomo to the New Yorker to Mother Jones to George Will at the Washington Post pointed out the obvious, that the Justice Department needed to quickly produce an explanation, if not an indictment, to avoid the disaster of allowing the perception of a politicized raid to fester.
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In sum: Joe Biden didn’t know the raid was coming, Merrick Garland blamed Trump for the raid becoming public at all and took three days to take responsibility for ordering it, and Trump’s crime has moved from mishandling “nuclear documents” to keeping “Sensitive Compartmented Information,” whose possession by Trump poses “exceptionally grave” risk to the United States.
Something about all this stinks. On one hand, we’re in the same place we’ve been a hundred times in the Trump era, waiting for the big reveal. We were here before Michael Cohen’s testimony, before the Mueller report, before the Ukraine whistleblower letter, the Barr memo, and countless other expected bombshells.
On the other hand, the evidentiary hype train has been turned off early this time. The deadline for more news out of Reinhart’s court about what’s inside the affidavit is this Thursday, when Garland is supposed to submit his proposed redactions, yet the story is getting more coverage on Fox (Gutfield! incredibly surged to the top of late-night comedy ratings after the raid) than in mainstream press, which appears to be tiptoeing back from the case much as administration officials did in the first week.
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Unless Garland and the Biden administration give a clear idea of what exactly precipitated the Trump raid — whether it involved Trump funneling the names of spies to Putin, leaving launch codes out on a pizza box, whatever — Trump is going to continue to hammer this issue. Unless the man is literally in manacles before November 2024, this mess will remain an open wound for Democrats. Even if the raid wasn’t politically motivated, it will for sure continue to look politically motivated, if the Justice Department doesn’t come up with a better explanation than the six or seven leaked so far. Yet everyone is acting like that question has been answered.—some former liberal dude named Matt. Quote, unquote.
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Karl Rove answered my questions Bill. Did you read his quotes. No one is more Republican than Karl Rove.
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Well, how about you come out and answer your ‘won’t be ignored’ questions in your own words if you have been sandbagging us this whole time, you sly o jab, jab, jabber you. Cool Hand Luke you are, my golly.
I do have to hand it to you on this one. Give kudos where kudos are due. Good job. Getting Karl Rove to agree with you was quite the hat trick. Not something you see everyday. Clap my hands together and give you a big shot out.
What does Liz Cheney say? This ain’t her Daddy’s Republican Party, for sure.
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Paul
Question. Does Karl Rove ‘agree’ with you, or do you agree with Karl Rove? Or have the two become one? Those new Republicans have been calling him “canned ham head.” Silly kids these days. No respect.
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Either way we believe in the same thing. I completly agree with him when he says ”
“Why he was holding on to these materials when he had no legal authority to do so under the Presidential Records Act is beyond me, “The Presidential Records Act is clear,” Rove said on Fox News. “A president does not have the right to leave the White House and pick and choose what documents he wants to take with him,”
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So cute to see punchy in bed with Rove at Fox. Blowing donkeys did you some good.
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So, what are you saying, Punch? Well, the Records Act is clear and has no enforcement mechanism. So Paul, what are you saying? I don’t get it.
Opps. Correction to my 7:14 pm. Grievous Error.
The disrespectful do not call Karl Rove ‘canned ham head’. My error. The call call him Canned Ham or wider known as ‘Canned Ham with Glasses.’ Well, whether you agree with Rove or not, the disrespectful do have a point about Karl looking like a canned ham with glasses. Ok, he does. Hard to disagree with that…
Did you read his interview of what he thought of George W Bush’s paintings? And what he thought of Steven Colbert? Questions, questions. So many questions, so little time. Mid-terms approacheth. The Jan 6 Unselect Committee is desperate for the FBI to find some….any…..evidence of obstruction or intent to conspire to overthrow our democracy.
Anything. If ever there was a group of folks who needed to find an oasis pretty darn quick in a vast barren desert wasteland, it’s the Jan 6 committee.
Bottomline: I did not read your Ham Rove link, Paul. I liked Karl ‘The Brain’ Rove before you did. Did he bring along his white board. I like it when he does that.
Did you spend a few minutes with Beck, Paul? He has a copy of the memo, silly.
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Kind of hilarious to see the ponytail of ignorance sucking up to an arch neocon and yet amazingly failing to mention the usual gulf war II feigned outrage rifts. ROFLOL But the problem remains for them both –
https://www.oann.com/mar-a-lago-affidavit-acknowledges-trump-admin-officials-claim-that-president-trump-previously-declassified-seized-docs/
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opps, another correction.
I liked Karl ‘The Brain’ Rove before Punchy did. Correction? Yes, i should have said I liked Karl ‘Bush’s Brain’ Rove before Punchy did.
Please look deep into your hearts and minds for a wee bit of forgiveness for my errors. Heck, even Punchy as forgiven Dick ‘The War Criminal’ Cheney as well as Bush’s Brain Rove. Maybe there is hope for us all afterall. Time heals all BDS. Might take many moons, years, decades even, but the cure has been discovered: More Trump will make you forget what ails ya
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“A president does not have the right to leave the White House and pick and choose what documents he wants to take with him.” The PRA is not in the constitution and cannot bind the president. Rove’s argument is silly.
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‘Five big unanswered legal questions in the Trump raid case’
https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/all-things-trump/five-big-unanswered-legal-questions-trump-raid-case
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From Fox news this morning
Republican Mike Turner told Fox News host Maria Bartiromo that former President Donald Trump could not have declassified the documents found at Mar-a-Lago without a paper trail to prove it.
Bartiromo asked Turner on her Sunday Fox News program whether the documednts were de-classified.
“Well, President Trump says they are, Kash Patel has said they are, this is going to be a fact-based issue. Certainly, there’s going to have to be some substantiation of this.”
“No one is questioning that President Trump had full authority to do that as president. The question is going to be, you know, how can they document that it occurred?”
That has been my question all along. If they are declassified then all agencies involved must be notified otherwise our intelligence resources would be at grave risk. Do you agree Barry?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkF058l3duo
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” If they are declassified then all agencies involved must be notified…”
Where in the Constitution is that gem?
Where is your donkey?
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Republican Mike Turner told Fox News host Maria Bartiromo that former President Donald Trump could not have declassified the documents found at Mar-a-Lago without a paper trail to prove it.
I wonder why it’s so difficult to simply cite the specific language in the legal code as it pertains to Presidential declassification rather than relying on some random Republican yahoo to go out and beat his gums on ….what do the progressives so giddily call it….Faux News?
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…but don’t call the cut raw veggies “crudité”.
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Gregory
My goodness…Don’t you think if de-classified information revealed the sources of critical intelligence the CIA should be notified?.
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Darn it all it. I forgot Punchy’s question. The only thing I remember is it is not only revenant to some discussion, it was also vary pert-nit to some unsettled legal point. What was that question? Darn it all, I knew it just last night. Drats.
Oh well, he probably will keep bring it up a lot during the lead up to 2024. Kinda weird that the same gang (except for Loretta Lynch doing the belly bump on the Tarmac) who went after Biden’s former political rival are the same folks going going after possibility Biden’s future political rival. What are the odds?
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Gregory at 908a. Yup. Show me in the constitution where the president has to take directions from some paper pusher at the CIA. That’s the problem. These bureaucrats lost power with trump and now they are still after him. It is all bullshit.
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Aha. Found a new one, or is that it? The question sounds different, but it’s today’s question.
“That has been my question all along. If they are declassified then all agencies involved must be notified otherwise our intelligence resources would be at grave risk. Do you agree Barry?”
Well, strike the word MUST and replace it with the would SHOULD. Should, as all things should be in a perfect world. Let’s try that again.
“That has been my question all along. If they are declassified then all agencies involved should be notified otherwise our intelligence resources would be at grave risk. Do you agree Barry?
What about a judge blocking the release of Grand Jury testimony? Was a big issue with Rachel M and Amy G once upon a Mueller Report delay.
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Pretty Basic stuff Barry and Bill. Should the President of the United States be required to inform the CIA if they declassify critical top secret information that may endanger their connections and employees and the security of this country?
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Punchy, skipping for the moment your random substitution of must for should, if a President was so sloppy as to reveal a critical source of intelligence that would be a matter for Congress. THAT’s what impeachment is for.
Your poor donkey is waiting…
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Gregory, Barry, Bill
This is what our host believes should be the proper procedure for de-classifying documents. That sounds like a reasonable process. Do you agree with him?
“. IMHO the president should only declassify through a known and deliberate process that involves multiple official parties being informed and offering recorded counsel on the matter.”
George Rebane | 14 August 2022 at 03:17 PM
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” This is what our host believes should be the proper procedure for de-classifying documents. That sounds like a reasonable process. Do you agree with him?
Other than another example of this strange compulsion to constantly seek “consensus” what does it matter what anybody here thinks or agrees to? In this instance nothing. Either Trump is in legal jeopardy or he isn’t. No amount of wheedling on your part makes any difference. Maybe in the future but not now. I do appreciate your approach though….it’s relentless…first it’s “I only care about what the law says….”, then it’s “Our host thinks thins and he’s smart….(because in this instance he supports your argument) …why don’t you guys? You want to be smart don’t you….why don’t you agree with George?
Seek help….. you’re manic.
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When we were growing up and didn’t want to do what Papa told us Papa would say, “Why? Because I said so!” That used to make Ivanka so mad. Why doesn’t the FBI leave Papa alone? He told them the papers in the boxes were declassified because he said so!
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Boring, absolutely boring Psul. You bore me to tears, you boar.
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So, the legal standard is based on what “should be”? You send guys with machine guns because someone violates what they “should do”?
Paul, fuck off and die.
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Having handled and created classified documents – both technical and national security related – during much of my professional career, and having been educated (aka scared shitless) in the ramifications of violating the laws/regs related to the handling of such materials, I can unequivocally state that not communicating the declassification of documents to their classifying agency would create both an administrative and LE/judicial system mess. In such a case a person could be prosecuted and sentenced for violating some aspect of handling a purportedly classified document that had already been surreptitiously declassified. When I was on active duty and as a government contractor, the rule was that you always informed your recipients of classified materials when you received official word that a specific items was either to be destroyed, declassified, or more highly classified. In such a manner, the document-release network was always ‘flooded’ with the updated classification status.
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George
Why do you think Trump never built the wall as he promised? Remember Mexico was going to pay for it. What happened to that promise?
Posted by: Peul Emery | 22 August 2022 at 07:34 PM
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George, the resultant mess would be trivial compared to the constitutional crises of having criminal penalties for Presidents and ex-Presidents for not doing what the Congress thought they “should” do.
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Wow
Gregory is reverting to death wishes. Take a break Gregory, we’re only engaging in conversation you know. I personally wish you a long life of good health.
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Gregory 1244pm – Well yes, but such constitutional crises come very seldom (like now); however, classification changes occur constantly. Hence, the protocol.
Bottom line, IMHO if ONLY the president retains ONLY fond memories of having declassified something, then that modus operandi lays former and serving presidents open to vindictive political hack jobs like the one going on right now. I’m not opining here on the legality of such sub-rosa declassifications, only on their vulnerability to bad actor enemies.
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So George should the press and curious citizens have access to the, in Trumps view, former top secret documents?
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PaulE 153pm – You already asked this and I answered. No memory, no conversation.
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I must have missed your response George. I do recall you stating that it is an interesting question. I’ll take al look back and find it. I’m sure it’s on this post.
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