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George Rebane

That is the only slim thread of agreement that the Republicans and Democrats have for new legislation pursuant to the mass killing of students and teachers in Uvalde, Texas this week.  Yet the Dems’ solution continues to be to enact senseless gun legislation to stop senseless mass shootings.  Their entire initiative is based on appealing to the hoped for raw emotional response of their constituents to ‘do something’, or anything that can be used to advance the final objective of removing firearms from the country’s law-abiding civilian population.

The Dems’ entire argument is that since ‘guns kill people’, the “gun lobby” (aka NRA) wants more people killed through the unhindered sale of more guns.  For the Left there are no other considerations for the private ownership of guns, least of all the antiquated and misconstrued Second Amendment to defend against rogue government.  Every successive gun control measure is understood to be nothing more or less than a ratchet toward socialist autocracy’s final objective of an unarmed, compliant citizenry.

In a country with over 340 million variously un/registered firearms, there is no guarantee that a quietly deranged person with no previous criminal record or recorded history of mental instability will be stopped from a serendipitously inspired and spontaneously launched mass murder.  LE officials have told us for decades that no level of gun restrictions will bring an end to what happened in Uvalde.

What journalists and clear-thinking politicians don’t ask, during the inevitable gun control hysteria that follows every mass shooting, is ‘what is the evidence that this legislation would have stopped the previous mass murderers, or will stop them in the future?’  Posing this question will quickly reveal the real purpose for the newly proposed gun control measures.

The real solution – possibly unattainable – is what may be called a ‘cultural reset’.  The American culture of, say, fifty years ago prevented such mass murders occurring in a population equally populated with firearms – both semi-auto pistols and long guns.  Today, wholesale human life is cheapened and cheap.  With widespread and instant salacious news coverage, we continually hear of hundreds of people gunned down weekly without giving it much if any thought.  Unless the life belongs to family or close friends, the deaths don’t matter much irrespectively how they are snuffed out.

And our polarized society no longer supports community-wide solutions.  Remaining solutions have become very personalized – you pull up stakes and move to a safer place if you can, or you stay put, become insular, and hunker down while the killing continues around you.  That will continue in perpetuity as long as the state makes it so that only criminals have guns to use with impunity on an unarmed citizenry.  To various extents this has proven to be true both under so-called liberal democracies and police-state tyrannies.

A cultural reset, even if attempted, will take at least a generation to gain traction in our society.  In the meantime, IMHO we should recognize the ground truth that active killers with guns are stopped only by defenders with guns.  So, if we really have an interest to do something to protect the children, then we must always remember that when seconds count, LE is minutes (or more) away.  Actually, an hour away in Uvalde and similarly at previous shooting sites.  As far as the killer is concerned, LE has not arrived until he is assaulted with arms.  It doesn’t matter how quickly LE arrives on the scene, the clock starts when the killer perceives that his further intentions will now be curtailed.  For example, LE getting to the Uvalde school and dicking around for an hour before a Border Patrol agent confronted and shot the killer, means that LE effectively arrived an hour late.  So consider –

Policies that don’t work – place one security officer per school.  These have proven to be career-limited, marginally trained, timid people who either have no idea that killing is taking place in another part of the school, or who will not confront the killer until summoned LE people (‘back-up’) arrive to take control of the incident.

Policies that have a chance of working – Every teacher and certain staffers are trained and required to be concealed-carry armed when on duty.  This policy is then made public.  Israel has demonstrated the efficacy of such policy.  (more here)

[Addendum]  In ongoing discussions about solutions to such wanton and unpredictable massacres, it was brought out that there may be a significant share of teachers who will refuse to be trained and armed.  The point makes sense since so many teachers are liberals/progressives whose logic doesn’t always concur with reality – e.g. similar to those leftwingers who believe that declaring a building or facility a ‘gun-free zone’ will hinder instead of attract the manic mass murderer.  No matter, for whatever reasons, not all teachers can qualify or be relied upon to be armed and confront their students’ would-be killer.

The alternative to concealed-carry teachers in the classroom is a cadre of volunteer CCW holders who would also receive the required additional training.  These would come from the students’ parents, grandparents, and (retired) friends or community volunteers.  I’d bet the farm that there would be more than enough volunteers to sit in the back of classrooms while instruction is going on.  Each school could have a ‘security coordinator’ volunteer to coordinate with the school’s administration, maintain the active roster, and manage the ‘duty calendar’ for the classroom security volunteers.  The marginal cost to the school district and community would be nil.

Given today’s mobile devices (laptops, pads, smart phones, …), the security volunteers can easily be productive on their own projects as they carry out their assigned watches.  I know from our family’s circle of friends and contacts, that almost everyone would volunteer who could pass the training requirements.  As an example, for years I was a member of the Banner Mountain firewatch team and pulled many a 4-6 hour morning and afternoon stints on the tower (until the tower was decommissioned).  It was a rewarding experience, as I’m sure it would also be to serve as a classroom security volunteer.

(For the record, America’s CCW holders are the most reliable and law-abiding cohort of citizens when it comes to psychological stability, gun safety and proficiency, and criminality/gun violence.  Statistically, you are six times more likely to be assaulted by a rogue LE officer than a CCW permit holder.)

[28may22 update]  A commenter raised a valid question about the availability of sufficient volunteers to implement the above described classroom security approach.  I’ve taken a more detailed look at the numbers, and it appears to be doable.  These back-of-envelope calculations are available here –  Download Classroom Security Volunteers.  Readers thoughts are always welcome, especially as they point out any errors or weaknesses (not already covered in the comment stream below).

[4jun22 update]  Certify retired military personnel to serve as armed school security guards – so proposes Sen Lindsey Graham (R-SC).  Above I have made case for such a solution that can be implemented more rapidly than any ineffective anti-gun legislation.  (more here)

The Left, of course, is dead-set against such a practical solution, and surprisingly they are joined by some folks from the other side who also think it’s the dumbest thing they ever heard of.  Nevertheless, that kind of solution, using trained and certified volunteer security guards, is staring us in the face with no reasonable opposition save ‘schools should remain a gun-free zone’, or more simply, ‘it’s a stupid idea that will never work’.

[9jun22 update]  Well, things may be looking up with getting more defensive guns into schools and classrooms.  Reports are coming in that in certain red states teachers are volunteering to carry guns (here).  And we now hear that even in progressive New Jersey militant parents are convincing school districts to hire off-duty and retired LE officers to serve as added security in schools (here).  These people will be paid.  So that brings us a few steps closer to the volunteer security concept outlined here as the affordable solution to protect our children.

BTW, does everyone notice that the ‘do something’ new gun regs coming out of the House have nothing to do with protecting the children?  (They’re just a desperate Dem election issue since everything else they propose is a demonstrable disaster for the country.)  And no Republican has the balls to resist the new ‘do something’ hysteria by asking why existing gun regs – from past ‘do something’ hysterias – aren’t being enforced and/or have proven to be totally ineffective in reducing ‘gun violence’.

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202 responses to ““… to protect the children.” (addended with 9jun22 update)”

  1. scenes Avatar
    scenes

    “Hey guys – remember that place called Chicago?”
    No problemo.
    You just need to force the teens to pass a gun-safety test, make all the stolen gun sales go through a background check, make them give up their M1As for 9mm handguns.
    This last requirement should be pretty easy.

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  2. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Scott O | 30 May 2022 at 07:09 AM
    Dammit Scott! …..sigh…
    Apparently 7:00 am on a holiday weekend is “too late” for this weekends indifference tally for the early birds here at RR’s.
    I take solace from the notion that we really have another whole day remaining to rack up serious progressive, blue governance numbers to kick off this years “Summer of Joy” as heyjackass.com likes to put it.

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  3. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    So George, you attribute the number of gun deaths in our country to our culture. So what about the cultures of other countries that have far fewer gun related deaths in comparison to ours? Should we not then be attempting to emulate those cultures to bring down the number of deaths?
    Follow this link to see comparisons of gun violence deaths per 100,000 people in developed economies of which we far exceed all the other countries in the charts.
    Can you explain the massive higher numbers for our country and how does “culture” come into those numbers?
    https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2022-us-gun-violence-world-comparison/

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  4. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Punch!
    “Firearms deaths” includes suicides, which is what gets conflated into statistics by folks trying to justify restrictive gun laws. Manslaughter or murder is the stat people are bothered by.
    Suicides happen after someone decides to commit it, and not having a gun handy is not a big impediment.

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  5. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Gregory
    If you would have bothered to read my link you would have seen that the data’s title was “Gun Violence in the US Far Exceeds
    Levels in Other Rich Nations.” There is no reference to suicide in the data.

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  6. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    “Gun violence” includes suicide by gun.

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  7. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    No reference to suicide in their description. That’s your definition Gregory. Even if that were true don’t you agree the difference in our numbers and other modern countries is profound? Does that not justify Georges claim that our culture is flawed?

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  8. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Paul.
    No need to even look at your link. It’s all the 2nd Amendment, baby! The 2nd Amendment makes the US unique in the world. The 2nd Amendment was designed to ensure the First Amendment would not be messed with by a tyrannical federal government. It’s for the States and citizens to have the means to toss the necessary evil (Fed Gov’t) and ever infringing devouring by nature Government aside.
    The other countries don’t have the 2nd Amendment for its citizens to protect life, Liberty, property as well as any encroachment upon our God given rights by dickheads and assorted marginally rational folks.
    Now, what has caused this growing spike in school shootings by young angry males born around 1993? The ones born in 1984? The ones born in 1978? In 1965? Even for accounting for the definition charges to “mass shooter”, the spike clearly show a correlation with today’s culture as opposed to the culture of kids born immediately after WW2 who grew up with guns in the household and rifle racks in the rear window of pickup trucks. Night and day.
    The Left does not have a pro-gun problem nor a NRA problem. Those like you, Paul Emery, have a 2nd Amendment problem. And those like you should never be around a firearm with your TDS and constant state of anxiety, frustration, and other signs of instability. Sometimes Paul you go beyond marginally rational.
    And yes, the 9th Circuit Court of Appeal stated that CA barring 18 year olds from buying long guns was an unnecessary infringement on the 2nd Amendment of the Constitution of the United States recently.
    You have threatened twice before that it’s time you start exercising you 2nd Amendment rights because Todd and I were joking about driving by your house. Boy, what are you to do when the police are 3 minutes away and Todd and Biker Bill drive by your abode making silly faces at you? Start firing? ROFLMAO. Boo!

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  9. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Punch, they don’t have any description of what they mean by the terms they’re using.
    Bloomberg is anti-gun and they’ve pulled that trick before.

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  10. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    Creepy grampa joe and psul can chatter all they want about outlawing 9mm’s but the reality is they do not have the power and there will be another 2ndA ruling from SCOTUS any day –
    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/05/30/poll-joe-bidens-job-approval-underwater-in-47-states-34-overall/
    😉

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  11. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE 1140am – Gun violence. I venture from my experience that fewer than one in a hundred leftists know that their propagandized gun violence counts of ‘gun violence’ include suicides, hunting accidents, etc, which are not intentional homicides. As witnessed by about every broadcast and printed interview with such information deprived people, they all believe that the gun violence numbers count only the use of firearms with the intent to harm. You very definitely are a member in good standing of that cohort. When corrected to include only shootings that intend violence, America’s gun violence rate lands us in the middle of the international pack – actually, 20th among nations according to Pew Research. The top ten rate ranges from 36.78 to 15.62 homicides per 100,000; the US has 3.96.
    https://laist.com/news/gun-violence-deaths-how-the-u-s-compares-to-the-rest-of-the-world
    https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/02/03/what-the-data-says-about-gun-deaths-in-the-u-s/
    Regarding gun culture, no other young multi-cultural country has gone through its recent history of ongoing wars on its landmass that has been conquered through the force of arms against hostile indigenous populations and neighbors. Creating peace and maintaining it with large-scale private ownership of guns is still in our DNA, and today liberal induced lawlessness in our cities maintains beliefs that wholesale private ownership of guns is still required to assure the security of our persons, families, hearth, and home, not to mention the ever vigilant means needed to counter a palpably proto-rogue government that grows without bound as it demands payment of ever-higher tributes, while constantly ratcheting down our constitutionally derived rights.
    https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/09/13/key-facts-about-americans-and-guns/

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  12. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    “Does that not justify Georges claim that our culture is flawed?”
    Posted by: Psul Emery | 30 May 2022 at 01:41 PM
    Certainly justifies Scott O’s, Barry’s, and my claims that out culture is flawed. Devaluation of human life. No self discipline. No mentors. No enforcing boundaries. Mental illness run rampant. No attachment to the community, churches, other people outside of social media. Disposing of babies like taking out the trash. The narcissist generation. The protected class, if you will.

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  13. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    George, the links you gave have the same data as the link Paul provided… no surprise, because they all use the same statistics… from https://www.healthdata.org/
    4 per 100,000 from “gun violence”

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  14. scenes Avatar
    scenes

    Gregory: ”
    “Firearms deaths” includes suicides, which is what gets conflated into statistics by folks trying to justify restrictive gun laws. ”
    Psul (or anyone else in Team Blue), seriously, you have to take that into account.
    I’m happy as all get-out to argue about what should be public policy, but you have to twizzle out the numbers that matter.
    By the same token, it’s probably best to compare a country’s murder rate rather than gun murder rate since weapons are rather fungible (look it up). It’s similar to the way that school shooters would simply flip to Glocks and such (like some already did) if ‘assault weapons/rifles’ magically disappeared. or six-guns-like-in-Westerns for that matter. Truth is, a lever-action carbine is probably as effective on a soft target as a black gun.
    People should be honest and realize that this is all about the removal of firearms from civilians, there really is no middle ground.

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  15. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    btw I was driving yesterday with KFBK tuned … and an opinion came on railing against the sale of machine guns! Yes, dear friends, someone with the pull to have his opinion on the station thought the latest shooter had purchased a machine gun to slaughter the Texas kiddies in school.
    I didn’t catch his name or position, but that casts a pall on KFBK’s newsworthiness.
    Civilian rifles cannot be fully automatic, another name for a machine gun. For every shot, the shooter had to pull the trigger and release, pull and release. A rate of fire about the same as a revolver has for the first 6 shots.

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  16. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    The lightweight leftists ignorantly parroting their orthodoxy just like the ponytail of ignorance –
    “So since no one else will ask, I will. Did those children die because most of them were Mexican American and the police didn’t give a damn about a school w predominately brown kids? I mean, because it’s Texas.. and if you think everyone who isn’t white is illegal..”
    Butler — whose 2021 book “White Evangelical Racism” charges that racism is at the core of conservative evangelical activism and power — seemed to disregard the fact that the attacker in the Hispanic-majority City of Uvalde was himself of Latino descent, as were the city’s police chief, Daniel Rodríguez, the school’s police chief, Pedro Arredondo, and several other officers at the scene.
    A few of the officers are reported to have had children trapped in the school at the time, some of whom died in the attack.
    Butler later made her profile private following the critical responses to her tweet. However, the associate professor was not alone in her unfounded claims.
    Left-wing columnist Wajahat Ali expressed agreement with Butler’s sentiments when he tweeted, “I’m glad I’m not the only one thinking this.”
    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/05/30/upenn-professor-ripped-suggesting-police-allowed-texas-schoolchildren-die-brown/

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  17. Scott O Avatar

    Voight brings up an oft heard proposition – you are denied your Constitutional rights until you can prove yourself fit. I had always thought him to be an intelligent person, but I wonder how long he actually used his reasoning facility on this one.
    Who will administer the “test” and who pays for it and what are the parameters? The ‘experts’? The ones telling us men can get pregnant?
    And –
    will the gentlemen buying firearms out of some one’s car trunk being given this test?
    https://www.breitbart.com/entertainment/2022/05/28/jon-voight-americans-should-undergo-proper-testing-for-gun-ownership/

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  18. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    George refers to the “the force of arms against hostile indigenous populations”. Were they not defending their land and were not the invaders? T
    here is no way we had any claim to their traditional lands they had inhabited for at least hundreds of years. Show me what is in the Constitutio that allowed us to do that?

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  19. Scott O Avatar

    Kunstler nails this one. I’ve read several books lately on men who have risen up in American society and what their goals were as youngsters. They aspired to lofty heights, but the heights were realistic and attainable.
    https://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/childhoods-end/
    Of course I’m prejudiced for Kunstler’s view point as I grew up hating almost all of my schooling. By jr high I already had correctly sussed out the obscene ratio of the time spent riding on a bus, sitting in a classroom, going through the motions to the time spent actually gaining knowledge. There was of course, brilliant flashes of a few teachers (when they weren’t playing baby sitter to the miscreants) really imparting knowledge. The old one room school house that combined several age groups actually worked fairly well for a while but as has been pointed out, the modern school system is truly just a factory for a factory product. It might be efficient from the standpoint of turning out groups of students who troop off to the next level, but the kids are so stupid and unchallenged and uninterested it isn’t funny.
    Most children would be better off spending at least half of their time in “school” actually doing something (anything) in the world of commerce. 2 hours a day of cleaning toilets, stables, kitchens, food production facilities, etc would do them better than
    90% of what they sit through in a modern classroom.

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  20. Scott O Avatar

    Paul 7:30 – “…no way we had any claim to their traditional lands they had inhabited for at least hundreds of years.”
    Hmmm – sounds rather nationalistic.
    So Psul – tell us. Which injun tribe had ‘claim’ to which area of north America?
    You know – as opposed to the other tribes that might have claim to the same exact area?
    Aside from the ones wiped out through violence and warfare from other injun tribes?
    Tell us, Psul.
    We’re all ears.

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  21. Scott O Avatar

    Gregory 3:40 – That ship sailed years ago. The current chatter even today stills apes the stupid phrase “weapons of war”. What war? We know that if the people of the Ukraine were sent AR-15s by the Americans they would be livid. But it’s a useful term for the idiots like Psul who know nothing (and want to know less) about the subject.
    Just listen to Biden chatter away like an idiot telling one lie after another about firearms and ammunition. You must keep in mind this whole topic like all else in modern politics has nothing to do with reality and solving any actual problem. It is one big disinfo campaign to disarm the public and turn them into pliable plebes willing to suffer happily under the rule of our betters.
    “You will own nothing and be happy”.

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  22. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Maybe not in the Constitution, but it was the last grievance against King George III in the Declaration of Independence.
    “He has excited domestic Insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the Inhabitants of our Frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages, whose known Rule of Warfare, is an undistinguished Destruction, of all Ages, Sexes and Conditions.”
    Sounds like the Islamic terrorists or Taliban.

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  23. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Scott
    Well for a start the Navahoes occupied their part of New Mexico and Arizona for hundreds of years. What right did we have to take it from them? I suggest you read about their history before you jump into this.
    Here’s a teaser from this historic reading:
    “Between 900 and 1525 A.D. the Navajos developed a rich and complex culture in the area of present-day northwestern New Mexico. Here the Navajos developed trade networks with both the Anasazi and historic Pueblo peoples, bringing new goods and technologies, such as flint points, and moccasins, to the Southwest.”
    Read ths to be educated on the topic icf you care to:
    https://utahindians.org/archives/navajo/history.html

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  24. scenes Avatar
    scenes

    Psul:
    “Well for a start the Navahoes occupied their part of New Mexico and Arizona for hundreds of years. ”
    Psul’s extensive reading on the subject:
    ” by the eighteenth century they had spread into northeastern Arizona and southeastern Utah.”
    Psul’s conclusion:
    No one lived in northeastern Arizona before 1700 and then the Navajo (which isn’t really their name) moved there.
    Fer shure the different pulses of immigration to the New World happened a buncha years before that. I’d be surprised if there were many places still occupied by the very original folks to arrive.

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  25. scenes Avatar
    scenes

    Psul, immediately before giving his home and property over to the local indigenous people:
    ” There is no way we had any claim to their traditional lands they had inhabited for at least hundreds of years. ”
    I strongly suspect that my ancestors had the issue well in hand before yours showed up. There’s no need for personal guilt, so you can simply blame me.

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  26. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE 730pm – Paul, are you going off the rails again? Nowhere did I claim or assign moral justification to what the whites did to the indigenous people; I just described what the then strong did to the weaker so that they could take what they wanted. Did you not understand that? Could you not follow that thread?
    Now if you want to talk about who should control which lands when, then that is another topic which some other commenters are already willing to engage in.

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  27. psfish Avatar
    psfish

    Navahoes
    There’s a joke in there…I’m sure of it!

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  28. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Did you read the link scenes? It started by stating this:
    “Between 900 and 1525 A.D. the Navajos developed a rich and complex culture in the area of present-day northwestern New Mexico. Here the Navajos developed trade networks with both the Anasazi and historic Pueblo peoples, bringing new goods and technologies, such as flint points, and moccasins, to the Southwest. The Navajos may have moved into southeastern Utah as early as 1620; by the eighteenth century they had spread into northeastern Arizona and southeastern Utah. ”
    https://utahindians.org/archives/navajo/history.html

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  29. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    And who were the “ancesters” that you refer to scenes and where did they come from? Mine are Northern British-the Emery name comes from there and Greece-my
    mothers ancestry.

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  30. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    sp-“ancestors”

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  31. ps🐠 Avatar
    ps🐠

    And who were the “ancesters” that you refer to scenes and where did they come from? Mine are Northern British-the Emery name comes from there and Greece-my…
    I suspect that scenes “ancesters” were from a tribe who were good spellers

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  32. scenes Avatar
    scenes

    “Did you read the link scenes? It started by stating this:”
    I glanced at it. Dunno why you conflate reading a couple of paragraphs on the interwebz with real knowledge of a matter, there’s plenty of real sources out there. Generally, we’ll probably have to wait for DNA analysis to really understand the timeline as narrative histories tend to be full of bullshit.
    From your, oh so important, ‘link’.
    “The Navajos may have moved into southeastern Utah as early as 1620; by the eighteenth century they had spread into northeastern Arizona and southeastern Utah. ”
    So basically you are pointing out that the Spanish were there first. (actually it’s more amorphous than that, I don’t know at what tipping point you can be said to ‘own’ a chunk of land).
    If you chose some Pueblo tribe to prove some trivial point or the other, I might buy it. They’ve actually been there for some time. Athabaskan speakers (like the Navajo) are fairly recent arrivals, similar to the Sioux. Scott is absolutely right of course, all of this property has been conquered, assimilated, or abandoned over and over for 15k-30k years.
    You might as well apologize to the Egyptians as a descendant of Greek imperialists.
    It’s just so damned odd that we find ourselves surrounded by people who denigrate their own background and boost others, even when not deserved. The more foreign the humans, the more wonderful they appear. Christianity = bad. Animism by ‘village elders’ = good. The KVMR crowd will never ever miss the chance to talk about how evil wypipo are, it’s just getting ridiculous. They could all stand a stint hanging out as captives of some 17th C. group of American Indians to get their minds right.

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  33. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    The Hopi were there before the Navahos. By at least 700 years. Odd, Punchy is still upset at the British and the Romans for invading his ancestors. The Russians were here before the Spanish, but did not settle.
    Dr. Rebane: Psul assigns moral justification to everything. He now must justify not turning over his abode in Nevada City to the local tribe…..because of what dead white did.
    When Rhode Island was bought for some beads, there was no Constitution.

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  34. scenes Avatar
    scenes

    Paul: ” Mine are Northern British”
    Arguing about the bonafides of Indians aside, always take that sort of thing with a grain of salt.
    Aside from the strong possibility that a stablehand is one’s forefather (more common than you may think), family stories are always suspect.
    I hit something of dry hole after ten minutes of studious research (ie. no certainty at all) at Orestes Augustus Bronson Emery. ‘Emery’ can be French as much as English. What with the French invading and taking over England, further muddying is certain.
    (side note to those who care…’Orestes’ is a wonderful first name, look up your Greek mythology)

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  35. Scott O Avatar

    Paul – you miss the whole point. People occupy areas because they can. By whatever means seem acceptable to them at the time. What magic ‘right’ did the Navajos have when they moved in that other people don’t have? You have no proof the Navajos didn’t push aside other people through violence to gain their land just as the Euros pushed them aside. Is there some magic time in history where everyone in the world had a ‘right’ to live where they did and that time has passed? Please give us the dates.
    Now there is the issue of the Fed and local govts breaking treaties and lying and cheating the injuns out of what had been legally agreed on, but I’m betting you really don’t want to go into that subject.
    History shows that people with superior martial power and the will to exert it almost always push aside or exterminate adjacent people that are not like them. Note the current ongoing actions by the ChiComs re the Uyghurs.
    It might make you feel good and morally superior to tut-tut all day long about the terrible way we treated the then-current locals but I can assure you, they ended up with a better deal than if some other group from Asia or eastern Europe had come over later on.
    It’s Paul who needs to read ALL of history of the human race – he can then sort out all the evil and assign blame as he feels the need to and get back to us. This idea that America is such an evil country and the natives here before us were good and pure is just a big lie. They had wars and slaves and tortured other humans just as the same as the rest of humanity.

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  36. scenes Avatar
    scenes

    “The Russians were here before the Spanish, but did not settle.”
    Russian America was a thing (somewhat after the Spanish expansion north from what is now Mexico), some time after the Spanish started running around, but settled somewhat like California. A handful of settlements, bully the locals, a bit of resource extraction.
    It’s funny how the incredibly light population of the US Southwest and California by the Spanish/Mexicans (a couple of thousand on the coast and places like Tucson) is used to justify the ‘reconquista’ here. As always, demographics is destiny unless your culture just flat gives up.
    A thing I don’t know much about but is complex as all get-out is Russia’s Wild East and their expansion to the Pacific. Lotsa miles. Lotsa adventures. Not well reported here.
    You do have to feel sorry for those folks in the middle o’ Europe. The love to fight each other, subject to invasions by larger neighbors, a dramatic situation for millennia. Why the US would take a side in that area is a mystery to me. Those folks combine poor impulse control and an ability to hold grudges in a way we don’t appreciate.

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    Say – here’s some history the kiddies in American public schools are not taught:
    https://www.quora.com/What-were-the-worst-tortures-performed-by-Native-Americans?share=1
    Scroll down a bit to the heading of Louis Bousquet.
    Lovely folk. It bothers me not one bit these savages were relieved of the power to commit these sorts of atrocities.

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    scenes

    Scotto: “They had wars and slaves and tortured other humans just as the same as the rest of humanity.”
    Hang on. The Great Earth Mother wasn’t guiding the matriarchy through the complexities of being good land stewards?
    Oh man, ya can’t trust nobody.
    If you want to get really popular, do your physical anthropology gig studying Southwestern cannibalism. The rowdier college students will beat a path to your front door with signs ‘n firebombs. But you know what they say, the coprolites don’t lie (well, they should say that).

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    fish

    Not just usual Joe Biden stupid but extra special Joe Biden sprinkled with Psul Emery stupid stupid….

    Biden: “No Rational Basis” For 9mm Ammo In Self-Defense

    Of course to “rational and thinking” people there is really no rational basis for Joe Biden in the Chief Executive.

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  40. Scott O Avatar

    re my previous post concerning native torture:
    It certainly hasn’t stopped. Witness the powers that be torturing us with ‘leaders’ such as K Harris and pResident Brandon.

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  41. Scott O Avatar

    fish 8:35 – Brandon means of course: your self-defense. The important people will have whatever sort of weapons and ammo they want.

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  42. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    It’s for the children: ‘Bureaucracy does not allow courage’
    https://intellectualtakeout.org/2022/05/bureaucracy-doesnt-allow-courage/
    ———————————
    Biden Claims A 9mm Bullet ‘Blows The Lung Out Of The Body’ And People ‘Couldn’t Own Cannons’
    “It was never about AR-15s or “assault rifles.” It’s about convincing you to give up your inalienable right to defend yourself,” James Lindsay tweeted.
    “So they’re ditching the whole “assault weapon” shtick this time and coming straight for 9mm handguns?” Newsweek’s Josh Hammer added.“
    https://www.dailywire.com/news/biden-claims-a-9mm-bullet-blows-the-lung-out-of-the-body-and-people-couldnt-own-cannons-in-1776
    So, 9mm handguns are the target now? Yes!
    9mms are now suddenly a high caliber weapon? Lol. Last I looked they were medium caliber weapons. Half of all handgun purchases in the US are 9mm and used by the vast majority of police departments.

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    “Biden: “No Rational Basis” For 9mm Ammo In Self-Defense”
    Given that 9mm handguns are about the least radical thing a person can own, it’s increasingly obvious that the real intent is confiscation of all firearms (perhaps with the exception of .22 rimfire long guns and airsoft).
    Maybe he’s simply pushing everyone to .45 ACP
    https://i0.wp.com/militaryhistorynow.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/3d25106b37.gif

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  44. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Scott O | 31 May 2022 at 08:42 AM
    fish 8:35 – Brandon means of course: your self-defense. The important people will have whatever sort of weapons and ammo they want.

    Oh no I get it…..its alway been and will always remain thus.
    It’s just his latest senile pontification over the weekend about 9mm ammunition “blowing the lungs out of the body”. You’d think that…ahem…for the sake of credibility… they’d muzzle the f’ing moron.
    Give him another ice cream cone….that always seems to shut his useless pie hole for a while. At least until the press leaves the immediate area and there’s no one to report on yet another gaffe from the GaffeMaster!

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    fish

    Maybe the 9mm fuss has to do with kicking off this years “Summer of Joy”
    The Summer of Joy has arrived! Starting this weekend and for the next 100 days, be prepared to experience more joy than one thought humanly possible.
    Final Joyful Tally: 9 killed, 46 wounded (Yet not much of the usual bleating about this from the Cheryl Cookes out there it seems)
    2021 Memorial Day tally: 4 killed, 38 wounded
    2020 Loot-N-Shoot tally: 30 killed, 64 wounded*
    2019 Memorial Day tally: 8 killed, 35 wounded
    2018 Memorial Day tally: 8 killed, 31 wounded
    2017 Memorial Day tally: 7 killed, 44 wounded
    2016 Memorial Day tally: 10 killed, 67 wounded
    2015 Memorial Day tally: 12 killed, 45 wounded
    2014 Memorial Day tally: 8 killed, 22 wounded
    Friday 5/27
    1:15p 7300 S Halsted, Englewood, M/39
    3:45p 5600 W Madison, Austin, M/20
    4:10p 6600 S Halsted, Englewood, M/43
    10:15p 900 N Lockwood, Austin, F/31
    10:15p 900 N Lockwood, Austin, M/32
    10:15p 900 N Lockwood, Austin, M/34
    10:20p 7900 S Drexel, Chatham, M/42
    Saturday 5/28
    3:30a 500 N Lavergne, Austin, M/56
    1:30p 2400 W 63rd, Chicago Lawn, M/42
    2:50p 6700 S Damen, Englewood, M/26
    5:05p 5500 S Bishop, Englewood, M/29
    5:05p 5500 S Bishop, Englewood, M/38 (story)
    11:45p 2900 w 31st, Little Village, M/25
    11:45p 2900 w 31st, Little Village, F/27
    Sunday 5/29
    12:45a 2100 W Coulter, Lower West Side, M/31
    1:05a 5700 S Carpenter, Englewood, M/24
    1:15a 7000 S Indiana, Grand Crossing, M/38
    1:15a 7000 S Indiana, Grand Crossing, M/42
    1:30a 800 S Karlov, Garfield Park, F/16
    1:30a 800 S Karlov, Garfield Park, F/21
    1:30a 800 S Karlov, Garfield Park, M/21
    1:30a 800 S Karlov, Garfield Park, M/21
    1:30a 800 S Karlov, Garfield Park, M/33
    2:45a 700 S Michigan, Loop, M/18
    4:55a 6300 S Calumet, Grand Crossing, M/?
    6:40a 4200 W Madison, Garfield Park, M/39
    5:55p 5000 S Drexel, Kenwood, M/28
    8:05p 4400 W Gladys, Garfield Park, M/27
    8:45p 400 E 87th, Chatham, F/30
    9:15p 2200 S Christiana, Little Village, M/21
    10:00p 500 W Erie, Near North Side, F/20
    10:15p Walk-in @ Stroger, Near West Side, M/43
    10:20p 4400 W Walton, Humboldt Park, M/69
    10:20p 4400 W Walton, Humboldt Park, M/25
    10:20p 4400 W Walton, Humboldt Park, M/27
    10:20p 4400 W Walton, Humboldt Park, M/45
    10:20p 4400 W Walton, Humboldt Park, M/23
    10:30p 1800 N Kimball, Logan Square, M/37
    10:45p Dan Ryan @ 71st, Grand Crossing, M/?
    Memorial Day
    12:00a 5000 King, Grand Boulevard, M/32
    12:00a 5100 S Prairie, Washington Park, F/40
    2:15a 300 W Chicago, Near North Side, F/26
    2:15a 300 W Chicago, Near North Side, M/39
    2:45p 6900 S Green, Englewood, M/31
    5:05p 8600 S Aberdeen, Auburn Gresham, M/27
    5:50p 7400 S Merrill, South Shore, M/17
    7:45p 1300 E 93rd, Burnside, M/25
    7:45p 1300 E 93rd, Burnside, M/26
    7:45p 1300 E 93rd, Burnside, M/27
    8:15p 200 W 63rd, Englewood, M/27 (selfie)
    8:15p 8700 S Sangamon, Auburn Gresham, M/61
    10:00p 200 N Breakwater, Loop, F/19
    11:00p 4300 W Adams, Garfield Park, M/41
    No Accountability Tuesday
    1:10a 6300 S Wolcott, Englewood, F/18
    1:10a 6300 S Wolcott, Englewood, M/27
    *** Chicago Journal’s Weekend Wrap-up ***
    Key:
    shooting
    homicide
    Weekend = 12p Friday – 6a Tuesday
    *2020’s shitshow was not Memorial Day weekend and does not include the extra day. All other years display their respective Memorial Day weekends no matter the date range.

    Hat tip .heyjackass.com

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    scenes

    “It’s just his latest senile pontification”
    Oh well, that’s kind of an issue. It’s amazing he noticed that guns are dangerous, that is the point after all. What is left of his mind is basically replaying some words that he heard in the last couple of days.
    The person(s) to keep an eye on is whoever is writing the teleprompter, that’s the real power in the US right now.
    It’s really all or nothing right now. If you truly believe that the 2nd Amendment has no value and that any means are worthwhile to save children from lunatics, all classes of firearms are to be made to disappear. A handgun is obviously about as effective as a magazine-fed small rifle on soft targets, a manually cycled long gun has it’s own danger if the lunatic wants to play sniper. It’s all the same thing, all dangerous, all to be abolished. When you hear the phrase ‘common sense’ anymore, it’s typically a person being disingenuous.

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  47. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    No solutions. Today’s culture ain’t your Daddy’s culture.
    “State-by-state analysis, by scholars from the Heritage Foundation, indicates that a 10 percent increase in the percentage of children living in single-parent homes leads typically to a 17 percent increase in juvenile crime. The rate of violent teenage crime corresponds with the number of families abandoned by fathers.”

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  48. Scott O Avatar

    fish 8:52 – “…for the sake of credibility… they’d muzzle the f’ing moron.”
    Actually you would be amazed at the number of Americans that believe that crap. Check out the comments at DK or the comments on Twitter after a posting about some video clip from the news about firearms. They really think “assault weapons” have the biggest, scariest, most killingest kind of blammo of any fire arm.
    Scared, ignorant people are the easiest to rule over if you want to be a tyrant. School children are far more likely to die in a vehicle smash-up than a school shooting, but the Lame Stream news media needs something to run with 24/7 to take the bad economy off the front pages. The mid terms are coming and it seems the Insurrection Follies are starting to bore the plebes.

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  49. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Scott O | 31 May 2022 at 09:25 AM
    Scared, ignorant people are the easiest to rule over if you want to be a tyrant.

    Point taken! I sometimes forget that a significant fraction of the “thinking and rational” American electorate is populated with Psul Emery’s and Cheryl’s Cooke.
    (“They really think “assault weapons” have the biggest, scariest, most killingest kind of blammo of any firearm”.
    I really like this sentence.)

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