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338 responses to “Sandbox – 13sep21”

  1. fishniglio Avatar
    fishniglio

    Posted by: Paul Emery | 15 September 2021 at 11:01 AM
    There is such a thing as learning from your mistakes.

    Not in D.C. it seems as is demonstrated by staying 20 years and being constantly supported by long time pols like Joe Biden.

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  2. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Paul @ 10:34 am
    I am only holding Biden responsible for his role of closing up shop. Not the Afghan War, not the length of the war, not how the ‘Good War’ (as you once called it) started with the backing and approval of our Congress after 9/11. I do hold Biden ACCOUNTABLE for pulling out our military first and leaving Americans behind. Just his role.
    Biden was VP for eight years of that war, but I do not hold him responsible for those 8 years. He was only the VP. I hold Biden accountable for the last 3 months. For the last 3 months Biden knew the Tailban was on the march raking in chips like Grant took Richmond.
    I do hold Biden responsible and accountable for pulling the aircover for the Afghan Army. I hold Biden at fault for abandoning the Bagram Military Airfield with 5,000 ISIS prisoners housed to go defend a civilian airport in the middle of Afghanistan’s largest city controlled 360 by forces hostile to the US. I do hold Biden accountable for leaving our allies in the dark and without US command and control to fend for themselves.
    The thirteen US Marines that were blown to Kingdom Come along with hundreds of civilians were killed because they were given a suicide mission…which was their was their duty and sacred honor. The thirteen were flown in outside Kabul and raced to the surrounded civilian airport to help control outside of the gate to the airport and the mission was to save lives of those Americans and SIVs that were denied entrance by the Taliban. They were the reinforcements….13…the calvary to the rescue sent to the Alamo during the battle. 13 against thousands. No help, no air over, no military backup. That’s all Biden left us to make sure No Americans were left behind. Those at the airport defending our Embassy staff were not allowed to go outside the fence. No missions to go out into Kabul and bring our people home.
    The Brits sent in their Special Forces that did go out into the streets and rescue their citizens behind enemy lines. The Germans sent their elite and in a gun battle rescued some of their citizens with no help from our military. So did the French. Canada? No. They left 1,200 behind. They trusted us.
    I do not blame Biden for anything other than his decisions to leave Americans behind when he was at the helm.
    ‘Who and What Is Tearing the U.S. Apart?’
    https://www.intellectualtakeout.org/who-and-what-is-tearing-the-u-s–apart-/
    As you said, Paul Emery, ‘only 13 causalities ’. Minimize Biden’s decisions as President all you want, Paul Emery. Minimize it til hell freezes over and death do us part.
    PS: Biden left zero ‘escape outposts’ for the few Americans that were stranded. Zero escape outposts.
    Paul Emery to Barry:
    BArry
    “I would have kept the other airport open and some escaoe outposts for the few Americans that were stranded. There are still a few Americans out there but many actually want to stay. All in all only 13 casualties for such a huge evacuation is pretty amazing. Biden is an American hero that finally pulled up out of the biggest military embarassment in history, something Trum promised to do but never did-like everything else he promised. Biden is not responsible for the thousands of America deaths and trillions of dollars of debt caused by our misguided fiasco over there because he wasn’t President at the time. Who do you find responsible for that Barry?
    Posted by: Paul Emery | 11 September 2021 at 04:19 PM (On September 11, no less.’
    Well, the other airport was not left open. There were no escape outposts for Americans that were stranded. Trump wasn’t President at the time. Who do you find responsible for that, Punchy??

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  3. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Paul Emery @ 10:34
    “In your very brief critique of the Afghanistan situation you do not mention in any way the neglected responsibility of…..blah, blah, blah”
    Au contraire. My ‘very brief critique of the Afghanistan situation’ was not brief nor a
    critique of the Afghan situation. It was and is a critique on you, Paul Emery. Very personal. It was about Y-O-U. You, the guy in your mirror. His name is Paul Emery.
    The man for partisan purposes (partisan hack) that after off- loading caskets of dead soldiers week after week finds himself defending Leaving Americans Behind. Now, I do not really believe that leaving Americans behind is fine with you as your position, but I do believe it is your current position necessitated out of being a partisan hack.
    My critique of you.

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  4. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    You quote me as saying some aspect of the Afgan fiasco as a “good war”. I never said that that. Show me where I did.
    Americans are still leaving Afghanistan Bill. I don’t defend leaving them behind. Some seem to want to stay. Biden is committed to providing for the eacuation of all Americans who want to leave. Lets see how he does.

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  5. Walt Avatar

    When have LIBS learned from their mistakes Emery?
    Good luck with that.

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  6. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Walt
    Whose “mistake” was it that we stayed in Afghanistan 20 years and that increased our deficit 2.5 Trillion dollars. Or perhaps, in your view it wasno mistake at all. Which one is it Walt?

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  7. Walt Avatar

    Take your dementia meds Emery. Why are we still in KOREA???
    Have many years Emery?? HOW MANY!!!?
    The forgotten war Emery!
    Your side is real good at losing wars. Vietnam was a DEM war.
    So far gone by the time Nixon got it.
    Only a LIB would fight for land, just to give it back, so he could fight over it all over again.
    Your boy “O” didn’t learn from that mistake.
    I know, I know… You would rather fight the enemy in our own streets.

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  8. fishniglio Avatar
    fishniglio

    Posted by: Walt | 15 September 2021 at 12:35 PM
    Walt…..enjoy watching Punch distract, distract, distract from the ineptitude of Joey Fingers administration!

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  9. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    “Biden is committed to providing for the eacuation of all Americans who want to leave. Lets see how he does.”
    Paul. We have no one on the ground to facilitate the evacuation of Americans who want to leave. No one. Makes it kinda difficult considering how,our current State Department operates. The rats left that ship days ago. Looks like we will be paying ransom to the terrorists to ‘allow’ them to leave.
    Of those Americans who want to stay….ever wonder why? Hmmm? It because as the American civilians and their spouses and children (Afghanis) went to the airport to be flown out of hell, the US State Department told them that they are taking only American citizens at the time. Only US citizens. So, the American civilians in Afghanistan decided not to leave their wives and family behind. They would rather die in that hellhole than left their families behind.
    Now, after all is said and done, they cannot make it back to the airport. Taliban looking for their women to rape and marry the 12 year old daughters. Maybe just kill then after raping them.
    I suppose you would leave them behind since you support Biden. I would not. I would defend my family first, here or abroad. Leaving someone at the alter ain’t my gig. It is a man’s job to defend his wife and kids. To be their protector. Of course you probably could not relate.
    So, we are 100% at the tender mercies of the Taliban to get our citizens out. Trump had to get 60,000 Chinese American citizens out of China and was severely criticized for allowing planes full of “Chinese” to enter the US. He was not going to leave them their. They are US citizens, afterall.
    How do we facilitate getting Americans out when they is no US State Department personnel on the ground? Each woman for herself. Thank God for our brave civilians going back in to save their fellow citizens.
    BTW: those civilians that were killed along with the thirteen Marines outside the wall at the Kabul Airport? Well, Glenn Beck’s listeners came up with $35 million get Afghan Christians, women, orphans, babies, and Afghani men out. There were 400 souls Beck paid to be rescued through private groups of ex-vets and locals and secret sources to protect their identity. Moved around. They allowed only one night at a safe house per family then had to go. Very dangerous. Many hours on the phone with the State Department at first, then days of no reply. Even Senators got the cold shoulder from State.
    They finally made it to outside the airport. They had been standing outside in a open sewer for 24 hours waiting and hoping against hope to be let in, papers all in order. Finally, after standing up to their knees in raw sewage, they were let in.
    The AF commander at the airport told his troops to immediately get them off the grounds. Get them out of here! Only American citizens could stay inside. The AF commander has since been relieved of duty.
    So, the group of 400 was forced back outside the airport and stood again in the sewage waiting. They were there for about one hour before the suicide bomber approached killing the 13 Marines. One woman….just one woman of the group survived the blast and thanks to private citizens of the US, she is here in the US. One out of 400. Worth every penny of it.
    ‘War is Hell’ —-George Armstrong Custer.

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  10. Walt Avatar

    Time for an Emery history lesson.
    The Emery used to proudly claim to be a Druid.
    Does the Emery understand the Druids were a waring people?
    They were tough fighters( and kicked the shit out of Emery’s real ancestors the Greek (Roman))invaders.
    The Druids wound never claim the Emery. They would have just sent him to the Roman camp and say “KEEP HIM”.

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  11. Walt Avatar

    OK Emery,, “no war” We let China invade and claim Taiwan?
    Yes or NO Emery? Or any other place they care to conquer?
    I guess freedom don’t mean that much to you.
    The ethic cleansing has begun in Afghanistan. Happy?
    Taliban just walking the streets and gunning down anyone they please. You good with that? The videos are too gruesome to post here. But HEY,, We ain’t there anymore.. Enjoy.
    Here Emery,, what “no war” gets you.
    https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2021/08/afghanistan-taliban-responsible-for-brutal-massacre-of-hazara-men-new-investigation/

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  12. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Well, Biden certainly has bigger problems than Afghanistan on the domestic front. Seen what the American public think of his new Vaccine Mandate? Its going over like a hard-on at a nudist colony. Big thumbs down.
    Just like our new man made border crisis, the colossal fuckup withdraw in Afghanisan was all man made, Biden made. The Biden Plan. It simply did not have to be that way.
    Joe Biden is doing all he can to get Americans, Visa holders, and SIVs out of Afghanistain. That scary thought is what concerns me most. Who in the hell is in charge?
    ‘Biden State Dept. Went Silent For A Week After Congressional Office Asked For Help Evacuating Americans From Afghanistan: Report’
    https://www.dailywire.com/news/biden-state-dept-went-silent-for-a-week-after-congressional-office-asked-for-help-evacuating-americans-from-afghanistan-report

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  13. Scott O Avatar

    Paul the idiot – “Lets see how he does.”
    He’s already done it!
    13 American soldiers dead totally needlessly.
    Abandonment of any leverage we had over the Taliban.
    Equipping the Taliban with billions of dollars worth of war materiel.
    Panic and chaos leading to who knows how many other civilians dead – again for no reason.
    How does Biden ‘undo’ all of that, Paul?
    Paul – “Trump! Bush!”
    Really picked us a winner, Paul – a total bunch of F’ups and even the Dems are admitting it as well as the rest of the world.
    Biden has handed Afghanistan over to the Taliban and the Chinese just like the CCP told him to do.
    Biden lied and because of it people died.
    And Paul is cheering him on.
    Sick.

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  14. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Scott
    Who is responsible for the 4000 Americans both military and civilion that died in Afganistan before Biden was President?

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  15. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    Can the ponytail of ignorance get anything right @237? –
    Since the start of U.S. military operations through to April this year, 2,448 American service members have been killed in Afghanistan, according to data from Linda Bilmes of Harvard University’s Kennedy School and the Brown University Costs of War project, as reported by the Associated Press. An additional 3,846 U.S. contractors also lost their lives.
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/how-many-us-soldiers-died-in-afghanistan/ar-AANnXIO
    😉

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  16. Walt Avatar

    That’s Emery, dodge and ignore. You stuck on STUPID Emery.
    Not even a one trick dog and pony show.
    The ONLY two you can blame is Bush and Trump. That’s a good party member.
    No answers to my simple questions? Not enough Haldol?
    Your lack of denial must say a resounding “YES” to my inquiries.
    Kinda like a criminal standing on the 5TH.. Yup,, guilty as hell.

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  17. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Thanks for correcting me Don. Let me re-write my 2:37:
    Scott and now Don, who is responsible for the 6294 American military and contractors that died in Afghanistan before Biden was President?

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  18. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    Osama bin laden asked and answered ad nauseum oh great pony tail of ignorance @3 you boy creepy grampa joe just lost his only positive –
    Only 48 percent of U.S. adult respondents approve of Biden’s handling of the coronavirus crisis with 49 disapproving. In August, those numbers were flipped. Fifty-three percent approved and 40 percent disapproved.
    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/09/15/poll-joe-biden-coronavirus-approval-rating-sinks-underwater-after-vaccine-mandates/
    😉

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  19. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Walt
    I would include Obama in that Walt (2:37) . Don’t say I didn’t respond.

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  20. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Didn’t think you followed Polls Don. This is a change!

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  21. Walt Avatar

    Here Emery’
    “Barack Obama. The antiwar candidate of 2008 who had pledged to turn around Afghanistan — the “good war” to George W. Bush’s “bad war” in Iraq —”
    So Your saying “yes” to all my questions.. Got it.. Thanks.
    That makes you pro genocide. Got it. Thanks.
    That question about Korea really has you over a barrel.
    It’s still an ongoing war Emery.
    My Son in laws know this VERY well.

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  22. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    When Trump was President, he told Little Rocket Man to knock his shit off. All those missle tests and threats against S. Korea, Japan, and even US soil.
    Remember “we got a bigger button? Oh my, the fainting couches were occupied and full.
    Through Trump’s talks with North Korea, the little rocketman was allowed to test short range missles but not long range missles. The lefty ignorant press mocked Trump as a failure when Kim Un fired off some missles. But, they were short range missles, not long range. Not in violation of the deal. The art of the deal.
    All the above to say that now that we have The Coward of the Country in charge, North Korea is launching long range missle tests.
    ‘Fuck Biden. Whats he doing to do about it?’ is Little Rocketman’s response to Biden. They must have been watching Sleepy Joe in action giving the Taliban all the carrots after removing ALL the sticks.
    Iran was watching too. Trump had them on their knees crying Uncle. First thing Biden did was drop all the sanctions and now their nuclear program is all ramped up and in overdrive traveling at a high rate of speed.
    I hope Biden does not touch the Middle East any more than he has already.
    Odd that the first stick The Biden Plan gave the Taliban was Bagram. You know, that easily defensivable military airfield in Afghanistan that has China, Russia, and Iran touching her borders. When Biden said “over the horizon” defense, he was not joking.
    Even Corn Pop is boasting about taking Creepy Sleepy Joey Fingers behind the gym and tearing the coward a new one.

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  23. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Worth watching the video clip contained within the link. Very well worth watching. Rob Portman.
    OUR BOTCHED AFGHAN EVACUATION, BY THE NUMBERS
    https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2021/09/our-botched-afghan-evaluation-by-the-numbers.php

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  24. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Walt
    Simpls answer. Korea wants us there and is willing to defend their country. Afghanistan doesn’t want us there, their leader split with millions of American money and the military joined the enemy. Tell me, why should we be there.

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  25. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    @435 – You seem to forget that the germans and japanese didnt want us there till decades later.
    😉

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  26. Walt Avatar

    Really Emery? Care to tell that to those fearing for their lives today? Of course the Taliban and ISIS don’t want us there..(Dumbass)
    Is that why when we started pulling out the president of Afg. got out of the country as fast as he could?
    Go sell that idea of yours to Seattle.

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  27. Walt Avatar

    So halfwit Emery, N. Korea don’t want us there either.
    Same with Cuba.
    Good thing the U.S. don’t subscribe to the world according to Emery.

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  28. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Taliban Bad. Always worth watching 30 seconds (or more) from the Brits.
    https://www.facebook.com/lotuseatersdotcom/videos/241461751240179/

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  29. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    South Korea is where we are Walt in case you forgot and they want us there. Are you advocating we should pull out? If not why are you bringing this up?

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  30. Barry Pruett Avatar
    Barry Pruett

    We should not be in any of these countries Paul. That said, we also should not leave Americans in terrorist countries

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  31. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    oh boy. The NYT, Politico, and Raw Story will not like this one bit. The story to take down Rick De Santis via follow the bouncing magic ball was just another fantasy by the unhinged left.
    ‘Matt Gaetz calls for two more tied to $25M extortion scheme to be charged after one indicted’
    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/matt-gaetz-extortion-charges-indicted-bob-kent-david-mcgee

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  32. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    We saw that one coming after creepy grampa joe did the bagram bungle! –
    DUBAI (Reuters) – Iran, emboldened by the messy U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan, is betting that its new hardline cabinet — including Deputy Foreign Minister Ali Bagheri Kani — can force concessions in talks on Tehran’s 2015 nuclear deal with world powers.
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/iran-president-selects-hardline-cabinet-165621301.html
    😉

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  33. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Punchy, the folks responsible for the death s of American service folk are the folks that killed them.
    I thought you knew the basics.

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  34. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Gregory
    And who is responsible for putting them in harms way, at least the military?

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  35. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Enlistees or draftees?

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  36. Scott O Avatar

    Paul – “And who is responsible for putting them in harms way, at least the military?”
    In the case of the 13 dead American service personnel, Biden is responsible.
    They should have been operating out of Bagram and the suicide bombers would not have been able to get near them.
    Wondering when Biden will bring them back to life per Paul’s insane ideas.
    And when will the Taliban give us back the billions of dollars of military equipment Biden handed to them?
    Yes, we know – “Bush! Trump! Bush! Trump!”

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  37. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Well, the bottom line is all US personnel is out of Afghanistan. Elvis has left the building. We are out.
    Guess I could go round and round with Paul. I say Biden is accountable for his role for the handling of closing the door to 20 years in the Muslim tribal land and Paul keeps looking for who is to blame for getting us there. Or, to put it more precisely, he may admit vaguely that mistakes were made by Biden, put others are more to blame! None of this would be happening if we weren’t there in the first place. Yeah, I use the same argument when an illegal alien murders some sweet college co-ed riding her bicycle on a country lane going to see her Grandmother. If…if…if. “You shoulda coulda woulda until you shoulda all over yourself.”
    Biden is not above criticism Paul. He has been blasted from all sides. Shocked to see what Stolen Valor Sen. Blumenthal lay into Biden along with corrupt Sen South Jersey Robert Menendez.
    Don’t be like Biden, Paul, and blame the military or bad Intel or the military for this black eye. And all Biden wanted was the glorious optics of marching bands and waving farewell from Kabul on 9/11. Perfect. Not. It became amateur hour. ‘Hey, those people left behind have dual citizenship. They are not really US citizens, are they’?’ says our Commander-in-chief. The dog whistle Divider-in-Chief.
    That is why I repeatedly use the word ‘accountable’ when discussing the topic with you. Biden is not held responsible for Afghanistan, put he sure as hell is accountable for the decisions he made. Unless Sleepy Cranky Old Joe made no decisions and it’s all news to him.
    Yes, I am glad we are out. As far as the blame game, I blame the terrorists who attacked us on September 11, 2001 for our being in Afghanistan in the first place. Easy peasy. As the Soviet Union found out what was so unique Afghanistan is that you can take over the Capital but only control 10% of the land.
    When we got first got there, the Northern Alliance controlled the north and Al Qada. As we leave, the Northern Alliance is being wiped out and the Taliban control everything and the whole country is run by terrorists. A Jihadist State. What happened to the Northern Alliance? A: night vision goggles. The Taliban always have wanted to fight at night but could not because of darkness. Now they can. And the Northern Alliance is being flushed down the toilet.
    Once more around the park, James. It’s the last time until the next time. Ted Cruz grills Sec of State, states what is my view in 4 quick brief points. Start at 2:00 minutes for quick peek.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9awvzTY0rA

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  38. fishniglio Avatar
    fishniglio

    ….And who is responsible for putting them in harms way, at least the military?”
    It’s good to see you getting back to your roots……one inane, open ended question after another.
    And on that note let’s have a warm round of applause for the triumphant return of……ladies and gentlemen I give you…...”Match Game 2020″….no wait, that’s not it!
    …..ladies and gentlemen I give you:

    Uncle Punchy’s Super Happy Fun Time Question Show –

    Where every question starts another “Lightning Round” – A flurry of ridiculous questions designed by Uncle Punchy himself specifically to lead you, the viewer away from Uncle Punchy’s political crush du jour!
    Today Joe Biden or Gavin Newsome….tomorrow it could be YOU!

    A fine time was had by all……

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  39. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Gregory
    I didn’t know you were so ignorant not to know the draft ended in 1973.

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  40. scenes Avatar
    scenes

    I didn’t know you were so ignorant not to know the draft ended in 1973.
    The last person drafted was in 1972
    Men born between March 29, 1957, and December 31, 1959 are the only ones immune from Selective Service.

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  41. Barry Pruett Avatar
    Barry Pruett

    I was thinking about the same issue that Gregory brings up. These men are enlisted. They chose to be there. They chose to defend and protect our country and the Afghan citizens. I play softball with a guy who lost his leg. He was doing his job and duty. But they did not choose but to be betrayed by our leaders and their superiors. The men and women that died prior to August of this year died while attempting to achieve a mission which was given to them by the American people. The last 13 men and women that died, died in a mission that was completely FUBAR from the beginning. That’s on Biden.

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  42. Walt Avatar

    DAMN Emery! Were you one of the CIA LSD test studies?
    No draft? Then why are all the young’ns having to fill out selective service cards TODAY?
    Kinda like saying “gun registration will NEVER lead to confiscation” Now we have that “red flag” law.. Cops can come in and take s person’s guns without ever committing a crime.
    OH WAIT!! Your were dead set against POT FARM REGISTATION
    Now what was your reasoning about that again?

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  43. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Punch, I celebrated the ending of the draft as I was in college and didn’t want to be drafted to be a pawn in a geopolitical chess game… at least 9/11 happened, unlike the Gulf of Tonkin excuse.
    So, you knew they had enlisted of their own free will, and yet you had to ask who put them in harm’s way?

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  44. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Who was commander and Chief during the Afghanistan War and was responsible for decisions and strategy Gregory?

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  45. scenes Avatar
    scenes

    “These men are enlisted. They chose to be there. ” -BarryP
    I suppose one thing that is true is that their bosses never changed. Essentially the same ‘strategic’ thinkers under Bush II, Obama, Trump, President Potato.
    From the outside looking in, it seems like Trump gave a good shot to upsetting the applecart of a dysfunctional nomenklatura, but not even the God-Emperor was up to the task. Trump not only had value in uncovering just who the crazy people are, like a fuse in dynamite, but in showing that merely capturing the executive branch is insufficient for any meaningful change.

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  46. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    Note to the ponytail of ignorance, young men still have to register for the draft, DUH!
    I didn’t know you were so ignorant not to know the draft ended in 1973.
    😉

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  47. Walt Avatar

    Emery.. GOOD WAR. The guy you voted for said so, BEFORE he was elected. Yet you still voted for him. Now you can share in the blame.

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  48. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Punch, with the latest bloopers, we now know Trump was not the Commander in Chief.
    It was Milley.

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