[The value of anything is highly subjective, always determined by a 'seller' and 'buyer' when they strike a deal. Therefore the value of any given 'thing', e.g. human life, varies according to who is the human and who is the 'buyer'. Any values set by third parties with no skin in the game are arbitrary and quickly circumvented by/in markets. So consider the back window yellow diamond sign that reads 'Drive carefully, Baby inside', and another one reading 'Drive carefully, young PhD in neuro-science inside', or even one that reads 'Drive carefully, Community organizer inside'. How would you rate the implied value of these lives? to you? to society? gjr]
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365 responses to “Sandbox – 18jun20”
Religious Darwin Award contestants are doing their part,
https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-06-17/church-linked-oregon-largest-coronavirus-outbreak
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Yes, Mr Bolton, most of us knew Trump was unfit for office,
https://twitter.com/RepsForBiden/status/1273678045707108352?s=09
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SCOTUS comes through on DACA qand shows Conservos their push to flood the courts with conservative judges is a fool’s errand since judges are apolitical.
Meanwhile Trump screams the ruling is “a shotgun blast to Conservos”
and as always LOL
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Mary Waaaah! 12:08 – “…shows Conservos their push to flood the courts with conservative judges is a fool’s errand since judges are apolitical.”
Ah yes Mary, we conservatives remember quite well that’s exactly what you and the left told us repeatedly just last year about Trump’s court picks.
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The Neo Cons on this blog like Todd loved John Bolton and his support for the illegal invasion of Iraq , he was the all star now he’s a dog. Hypocrite’s all.
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Paul Emery | 18 June 2020 at 12:19 PM
Sort of like your support for Che’ eh Paul? But hey can you find a link to your claim about me? I can’t seem to remember it.
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A bone for the pony tail of ignorance –
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/06/18/nolte-john-bolton-serves-up-another-deep-state-nothingburger/
😉
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Did you support the war on Iraq Todd?
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Well that explains it……..
https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/JEMIMAHILLARY-600×381.jpg
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Looks like there are going to be big time fireworks on the 4th in NY –
https://www.foxnews.com/us/nypd-july-4th-strike-police
😉
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Californians told to wear face masks in most places because if the re-spike. Let’s see if the CABPRO loons at B&C get the memo.
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Another one steps off the Trump merry-go-round,
“Top State Department official resigns in protest of Trump’s response to racial tensions in the country”
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So what else is new? Another top Trump donor is a racist,
“Timothy Mellon, top donor to Trump super PAC, used racial stereotypes to describe African Americans in his autobiography”.
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Paul Emery 12:19 – “Hypocrite’s all.”
All who?
Talking to the mirror again?
What have ‘all’ of us said about Bolton?
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Mary Waaaah! “Timothy Mellon, top donor to Trump super PAC, used racial stereotypes to describe African Americans in his autobiography”.
What stereotypes?
They tend to have darker skin than Norwegians?
Or maybe –
“even the most liberal, well-intentioned white” people, have a racist “virus” in their brain that can “activate” at any time.”
That was Van Jones, Obama’s little boy.
Leftists have no standing to talk to anyone about racism.
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Paul emery | 18 June 2020 at 01:26 PM
Did you support the war on cops in Minneappolis?
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Scott
I am assuming you were were a supporter of the war in Iraq of which Bolton was one of the main architects. Remember the ol’ WMD lie used to seal the deal? Well that was John Bolton’s main pitch. If you were not a supporter of the war I stand corrected but in extensive conversations about the topic through the years on this blog I don’t recall you supporting me in opposing the precise for the war which was tne WMD lies. That was of course John Bolton’s main reason for the war, Remember he was National Security Advisor under Bush.
Todd was the main supporter of the war on this blog and therefore he embraced Boltons lies.
https://zfacts.com/zfacts.com/p/581.html
So Scott to make it simple did you support the War in Iraq?
Direct quote from Bolton:
” It has rebuilt its civilian chemical infrastructure and renewed production of chemical warfare agents, probably including mustard, sarin, and VX. It actively maintains all key aspects of its offensive BW [biological weapons] program.”
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Paul E – 3:53 “So Scott to make it simple…”
I doubt I could ever make it simple enough for you, Paul.
Not playing your childish games. If you wish to have a conversation, we can do that.
I have no idea of what Bolton has said about Trump in his book and I have no proof of any kind that Bolton ever lied about anything.
If you believe Bolton to be a liar, what proof do you have that he is telling the truth about Trump?
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None Scott until it’s confirmed by others. Bolton did lie about WMD’s in Iraq that led to justify our illegal invasion of a sovereign nation though that was embraced by most contributors to this blog including our host.
WMD’s were never found and that was confirmed by
Rumsfeld of all people.
You seem content to remain ignorant Scott which can in your mind absolve you of any responsibility for having an opinion and contributing to the conversation.
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Lol.
“ Talking to the mirror again?
Posted by: Scott O | 18 June 2020 at 03:04
Applies more aptly to 4:56 pm
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So – Bolton is a big fat liar, right Paul?
How does that me a hypocrite?
That was your original contention – which you never were able to prove and now you’ve quickly shifted to the bizarre claim (based on nothing) that I’m “content to remain ignorant”.
If you have proof that Bolton intentionally lied, Paul – then provide that evidence.
Until then, it’s just your opinion.
The fact that I might not share your opinion is proof of nothing as well.
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MSNBC’s Hayes Calls ‘Duplicitous’ John Bolton the Leader of the GOP
“In Tuesday’s All In, MSNBC host Chris Hayes bizarrely insisted that the true leader of the Republican Party is John Bolton, not Donald Trump.
“Hayes described Bolton as “duplicitous, untrustworthy, extremely militaristic” in his Tuesday night rant on why the American people should trust what Bolton says in his new tell-all book. Hayes also called Bolton “morally odious.” But, the host encouraged, believe the book.”…..
“The MSNBC host’s spin is incoherent when you think about the differences between Trump and Bolton. Bolton was heavily involved in the Iraq War, which President Trump, and some of his voters, opposed. Bolton is a career bureaucrat, as Hayes highlighted, which is exactly what Trump is not.
The key question is why would the liberal media believe Bolton now? Chris Hayes and the rest of the mainstream media will rush to support him, even though they never have before, simply because it fits their narrative that Trump should be impeached and removed from office; a narrative that begun just minutes after Trump was sworn into office.”
https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/michael-dellanno/2020/06/18/msnbcs-hayes-calls-duplicitous-john-bolton-leader-gop
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‘Nets Hype ‘Bolton Bombshells’: Trump Wanted China to Buy U.S. Soybeans’
“During a segment in the 8:00 a.m. ET hour, King turned to who she thought was the “perfect person” to ask about Bolton’s accusations – Democratic Congressman and Trump impeachment crusader Adam Schiff.
Ironically, when Bolton was first selected by Trump to be national security advisor in 2018, the networks feared that the “controversial” selection was just the latest addition to the president’s “very hardline” team of White House aides.”
https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/kyle-drennen/2020/06/18/nets-hype-bolton-bombshells-trump-wanted-china-buy-us-soybeans
Bombshell!
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Darn. The face masks are back. Gee, I hardly knew ya went you left. Wonder where I put my dog hair covered mask? Under the front seat of the dog car, I reckon. The sewing circle is back and the gas stations have a stack of cheap, yet long neck covering bandanas ($3.99). Multiple use bandanas. “Lock her up, Lock her up!”, if you catch my drift. My inner radical never left. “5-6-7-8, Nixon ordered Watergate.” Face masks? Rebel without a cause, rebel without a job.
‘Californians now required to wear Face masks in most settings outside of home’
https://www.theunion.com/news/californians-now-required-to-wear-face-masks-in-most-settings-outside-of-home/
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Scott
If you believe that Iraq had WMD’s so be it. I don’t and I believe it was just an invented excuse to invade a sovereign nation. Check out this link on Rumsfelds admission there were no WMD’s and get back to me. If you don’t check it out we have nothing to talk about.
http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/02/20/rumsfeld.interview/index.html
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Don’t support a war on cops Todd. I do support reform on police procedures. Do you?
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OH NO virtue signaling and a PC virtue signaling challenge too @639! LOL
😉
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Paul Emery | 18 June 2020 at 06:39 PM
How about your love of Che’? Yopu never answered.
The cops are fine, no reform needed. There will always be a bad ending when they are attcked. You should go on record supporting them. Reforms are not needed.
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Trump down to 39% in fox poll
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/18/fox-news-poll-trump-biden-329153
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Well Todd we have a different opinion on the need for police reform.
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Paul 6:15 – “If you believe that Iraq had WMD’s so be it.”
When did I say that?
You’re just going in circles, Paul. And BTW – that link led to an article that said nothing about poison gas.
You stated that I (being part of the ‘all’) was a hypocrite. When did I say that Bolton was a ‘star’ and when did I say he is now a ‘dog’?
How am I a hypocrite and where is your evidence?
If you have none, then it looks like we’re done here.
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Let’s me how this all started. Punch got off to a late start with his opening salvo 7 1/2 hours ago. BDS is actually a nice break. Nixon-Obama, now back to the Iraq War…the illegal Iraq war!
Punch tees off with: “The Neo Cons on this blog like Todd loved John Bolton and his support for the illegal invasion of Iraq , he was the all star now he’s a dog. Hypocrite’s all.” 12:29 pm.
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We will skip to the most telling moment of the drama, when this beauty was dropped @ 3:53 pm:
“I am assuming you were were a supporter of the war in Iraq of which Bolton was one of the main architects….”
Those three magic words. I am assuming. Rhymes with amusing.
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Past 8 and still going. Once Punchy gets his gums wrapped around WMD, there ain’t no letting go.
FYI: Did you know all the shithole cities are run by Democrats.
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Scott
That is he general opinion of the RR commentators and you normally march in close step with the crowd. I’m glad to hear you hear you were not a supporter of the war in Irac and therefore not a follower of Bolton and the Neo-Cons. Thanks for the clarification.
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Todd
Show me an example of me having a “love of Che”or whatever that is. Till then you do you’re making it up and lying.
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Scott
sp Iraq
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Isnt that special a BLM casualty that was toast withdraws from what? –
https://www.yahoo.com/news/klobuchar-withdraws-veepstakes-says-biden-022850008.html
😉
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” Once Punchy gets his gums wrapped around WMD, there ain’t no letting go.”
It’s what makes him a hot date.
Darn, I’d mostly forgotten about all of that. The Left was busy blaming the US for an Iraq armed with a French reactor, German chemical plants, Russian arms. The Right was seeing ghosts in piss-poor CIA reports. A good time was had by all.
In a realpolitik sense, it’s a heckuva lot easier to bribe/threaten a dictator than it is to replace governments. Especially when you are trying to build America Jr. in an Arab country, a laughably fruitless quest as they are simply incapable of running a modern democracy.
No lesson was learned of course since Team Blue felt the need to blow up Libya and Syria just to get even with the Bushes. I suppose the truth is that the national security apparatus never changed and thus the policy never changed. In a Biden presidency (well, his VP’s presidency) you can expect them drones to start flyin’ again. NSAGoogleCIAFacebookKVMR would be ridin’ high. In a Trump 2.0 presidency, well, they’ll just keep burning down your cities.
It’s a lose-lose situation, but then, you can’t have anything.
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Paul – read Bill’s 8:08.
Good Lord.
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Don
Amy out. So much for once being the best of the lot for VP. Biden-Amy was once billed as the winning ticket. Harris? She once was #1. Dirty Cop. Laughs too long at her own jokes and appears drunk or looped on stage. Ran a horrible mismanaged campaign without a message.
Anyway, Tracy Abrams is still lobbing hard, but didn’t make the short list. Oh, the anticipation builds. Gotta wait for August. And the one he likes, the former police chief down in FLA, well, she is out cause of the all cops are now evil, per the broad brush from the Hard Left and the media. The mayor of Atlanta looks best on camera. Woke enough.
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re: BillT@9:27PM Susan Rice. Bet on it.
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Scenes @ 9::36 pm
Susan Rice? Well, they are looking a replacement for Uncle Ben Rice. Susan Rice’s Rice coming to a supermarket shelf near you. Did you see the memes today for th new Aunt Jemima? One I liked best were Aunt Tifa’s syrup. Had an black masked Antifa chick on it. I think it was a chick.
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I’ll still go with Condi Rice, se vouz ples!
Actually Saddam did have WMD and the coalition did find some, not a lot and nothing shocking (like Wuhan flu). Most of them had crossed the Western Desert in the days previous to the blitz. This was amply reported at the time (as convoys of semis) and no secret, though the US govt didn’t push to get the fact out.
Punchito, where the F do you think Assad got the WMD that O used as an excuse to invite the Russians back into the ME after a 30 yr hiatus?
And since you’re so forgetful, I’ll also remind you that the Iraq war was authorized by the US Congress, including most of your favorite traitors. Something wrong there, too?
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Trump’s family is now doing an intervention on the Lying Cheater in Chief,
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/donald-trump-said-hes-getting-154904877.html
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BT 9:58 – Rice would be an excellent choice. She was the one sent out to the Sunday morning talk shows to continue the lie about Benghazi. She can tell any manner of lies with a straight face and acts whatever part she needs to perform in for the bureaucracy.
Her last hour CYA email to try and cover for the Flynn and Russia-gate fiasco is a great example of how she’d be the perfect team player for any sort of administration. She’s black enough for the race hustlers and professional acting enough for congress.
I’d put her at top odds.
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Scott @ 8:09 am
The other attractive attribute about Susan Rice is a couple of weeks ago or so she floated the idea that the Russians were behind this current division in the country to help Trump win re-election. Perfect Deep State player. The preferred choice of the Industrial Intellligence-Military Complex.
Oh course, nobody believed Susan Rice’s recent Russian conspiracy….except one lone person who happens to frequent here…as evidenced by Dr. Rebane’s Scattershots update:
“[12jun20 update] Russian collusion is alive and well in the belief and propaganda systems of the Left (witnessed by our leftwinger comments). To the rest of us it is astounding that the progressives’ hatred of Trump impels them to continue one their most vicious Big Lies, day after day telling the country that Trump did indeed collude with the Russians. But more importantly, that part and parcel of this collusion enabled the Russians to interfere in the 2016 so successfully that it was the impact of their efforts that sealed the ‘fraudulent election’ in Trump’s favor. This narrative continues unabated to this day.”
(“Witnessed by our leftwinger comments)”….”continues unabated to this day.”
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“How would you rate the implied value of these lives? to you? to society?” So after putting an implied value on human lives, under your plan, when do you start loading the less valueable humans into the boxcars?
Personally I think political bloggers and network commentators, politicians, and the spoiled child billionaires who use their daddy’s money to try and reshape our country in their own image are the most useless creatures on the planet.
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RobertC 841am – You really don’t understand any of what goes on in these pages, do you? It is the Left that has always put a value on human lives, and then put them in boxcars for ‘the common good’. I don’t know of anyone on the Right who has ever put a wholesale value on human lives and then disposed of them for the common good. You genuflect to an ignorant and tainted ideology.
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BillT re: Susan Rice “The preferred choice of the Industrial Intelligence-Military Complex.”
It’s probably easiest to just view it as a form of Restoration. The seats are still warm as the old lords and masters slide back into them. Of course, given the appearance of a quasi-governmental sort of surveillance economy provided by Silicon Valley monopolies, it might be permanent this time.
One big problem with the Trump movement is that it is too heavily based on him as a personality, like Cromwell I suppose. The Blue Mob has it’s Year Zero to gather around, but no central personality (although oddly it appears to currently have a Jesus), while Team Red has a personality but a less emotionally exciting message of traditional America, Western Civilization, etc. Even if Trump 2.0 comes to pass, I haven’t yet seen a successor.
It’s worth considering how you can counter what is basically a Blue Mob militant religion. The younger you are, the easier to get swept into the mob, especially in an era of social media. Today’s boycott and ‘peaceful’ march turns into tomorrow’s arson followed by next week’s Terror. I hate to think that the typical response to militant belief systems is a simple mirror image, but the examples of Weimar Germany or Yugoslavia don’t give me much hope.
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I don’t know of anyone on the Right who has ever put a wholesale value on human lives and then disposed of them for the common good. You genuflect to an ignorant and tainted ideology.” the kettle calling the pot black. So how would you classify the Nazis.. right or left? Most historians firmly plant Hitler et. al. on the right, not to mention all of the South American despots the US has installed and supported over the years and the American trained (School of the Americas) death squads that have flourished. What is your “how would you rate” question if not an attempt to “put a wholesale value on human lives”? Is not police murdering black people or prison, with a statistical imbalance of people of color who are given more severe sentences than white people for the same crimes, not disposing of people for the common good of white supremacy? I totally understand what goes on on these pages but I seriously doubt that you do. You seem to be blind to your own hypocritical writings.
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Just in time, Trump needs a brain transplant,
https://futurism.com/the-byte/scientists-mini-brains-neanderthal-dna?mc_eid=a58ca52ab9&mc_cid=3687206c38
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GeorgeR: “You genuflect to an ignorant and tainted ideology.”
lol. Man, I’ll say.
Of course people have variable value, we see it all the time. How else would R.Cross see something like the act of abortion? The point of a state (ie. your fellow citizens have higher value than foreign nationals)? The cost of life insurance? The idea of scholarships for more promising students? How much should an airliner cost to design and build? Which drugs should be developed? The mathematics of triage?
Obvious points, but you really have to wonder what’s going on in their pointy little heads. It’s like there’s this little demon, addicted to outrage, screaming in their skulls. Honestly, it can’t be good for your long-term health.
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