[CA fires continue to kill, destroy thousands of homes, and cost billions to contain. In the meantime prescription burns to reduce fuel loads are proscribed because of the potential of litigation costs from accidental or claimed damages from such burns. And police point out that mass shootings invariably occur in ‘gun-free zones’ where legal guns that could prevent/reduce deaths are banned. And the state’s housing shortage and high cost continue to be maintained by regulations and codes that cater to liberal governance dominated by the ecology epidemic. Insanity running rampant and on the rise. gjr]
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389 responses to “Sandbox – 11nov18”
Made a comment or two on SFgate about the fire issue… They sure don’t like their Frisco ECO values blamed for the Armageddon.
Their anti logging stance, and “pretty” is more important than fire danger sure drew plenty of flack.They also think they know more than farmers, yet never setting foot on a farm.
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Trumps unnformed and vicious attack on California is being blasted by firefighters who are on the front lines
“Brian K. Rice, the president of the California Professional Firefighters, criticized President Trump on Saturday after he threatened to withhold federal payments to the state, claiming its forest management is “so poor.” The president made the comments as the state is battling multiple deadly wildfires.
“The president’s message attacking California and threatening to withhold aid to the victims of the cataclysmic fires is ill-informed, ill-timed and demeaning to those who are suffering as well as the men and women on the front lines,” Brian K. Rice said in a statement.
“Wildfires are sparked and spread not only in forested areas but in populated areas and open fields fueled by parched vegetation, high winds, low humidity and geography,” Rice said.”
https://www.cbsnews.com/live-news/california-fires-camp-malibu-woolsey-evacuation-containment-evacuations-death-toll-live-updates/
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Can’t form words of your own Paul?
Trump is right. The ECO bastards have been running the show in the forests. The LIBshits even fight to stop dead tree removal, and the excuse is it contributes to AGW.
How long ago was the local COGEN plant OKed?
The same ECO pricks don’t want ANY thinning.
Your a local “news guy”( so we are told) miss the news on the people threatening tree trimming crews?
Not a bit different than those fighting the HY 174 fix. Trees are more important than people’s lives.
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Trump did not diss the firefighters and ot appears contrived so I dismiss their yapping. The eco’s have wrecked the forests. Having been intricately involved in the Tahoe Forest Management Plans it was quite obvious what the eco’s and bureaucrats were doing. Now we are all paying the piper. I get a kick out of the fact that the eco’s and their mouthpieces like Paul Emery “saved” the Northern Spotted Owl and now they are fried. As well as food for the bigger owls in the forests.
Hey Walt how did you get to comment on the SF Gate?
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SACBEE has an article lamenting the non passge of the water bond after all had been passed over the last 30 years. I think the people saw the folly of giving te government all those billions and nothing of consequence has taken place. And they stole a lot of it. Mainly the water bond money goes to eco groups via grants that end up as paying protestors to new dams and water projects. The people have wised up about that.
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Todd.. Frisco gate has a comment page. You will find it at the VARY bottom. You still have to sign up.
Just don’t use the term “Liberal” too liberally.
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Winning!!!
Donald Trump ranked worst president in US history by nearly 200 political scientists!
https://tinyurl.com/y8golcy9
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,,,CNN Jim Acosta to haunt The Trumpski in Urp,,,
You go Jim!!!
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6373651/CNNs-Jim-Acosta-trolls-Trump-tweet-saying-cover-presidents-visit-Paris.html
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Stick to your tranny web sites “M”.
so 200 idiots with useless degrees…. BFD.
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Sorry Walter,,,200 poly sci freaks and the rest of the world,,,with the exception of Trumpski’s meatheads,,,
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,,,Winning!!!
https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/f1584600-c4af-36c4-9528-9e3aed7f9757/feds-now-have-evidence-trump.html
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LOL!! Still playing that card? If “hush money” was a crime, every LIB from Sac. to D.C. would be behind bars.
“There have been revelations of sordid sexual misbehavior by California lawmakers that has crowded out everyday business at the state Capitol. A review of even the few records reluctantly made public by legislative leadership shows it’s become a routine institutional practice in Sacramento to cover up inappropriate behavior by lawmakers.”
You were saying “M”oron?
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,,,nice try Walter,,,dirtforbrains,,,if what you say is true why aren’t they getting convicted right and left???
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200 “political scientists” of what ideological ilk?? And since when was politics or even the study of politics a science?
From an above comment by a professional firefighter, it appears that just because wildfires also start near developed areas in unforested regions, it is therefore improper to point out that many more of them start in mismanaged forests. And doing so is somehow “dissing” the firefighters. What kind of a mental giant does it take to assemble thoughts like that?
And when was the last time that we in California saw the firefighting industry put on a full court press to change the fundamental legal framework that would support prescribed burns? Nothing but years of silence. It’s almost as if that industry doesn’t want to diminish its obvious raison d’etre. Nah!
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Posted by: George Rebane | 11 November 2018 at 12:16 PM
Respectlessly George, you don’t know your ass from a hole in the ground when you say, “…when was the last time that we in California saw the firefighting industry put on a full court press to change the fundamental legal framework that would support prescribed burns? Nothing but years of silence.”
There are thousands of people working across the state to address just that issue…getting to a forest management regime that can re-introduce fire…and they actually know what the hell they are talking about. I know a lot of them…they read the science.
This entire knee jerk discussion about wildfire here is amongst the the most ill informed dialogues I have every seen in a place dominated by serially ill informed dialogues.
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I rank those 200 liberal poly sci farts as the worst in history.
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Steven Frisch | 11 November 2018 at 12:34 PM
Honestly, you don’t know your ass from a hole in the ground about the topic. I sat and listened and tried to save the timber industry from you and your ilk for twenty years. But you won. And every year we see the results. You are killing California’s forests and leaving a charred wreckage for the future. You and your ilk’s policies have failed and now you get pissy when someone attaches you to the failure you pushed for all these years. Hell an individual property owner has to go through complex Timber Harvest Plans for the smallest cut so most say screw that. Frisch you are the dumbest eco-warrior I have ever seen.
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StevenF 1234pm – Again your ideological blinders don’t even permit you to read my point. Nowhere do I claim that firefighting professionals are idle in pursuing the legal changes necessary to support an effective program of prescribed burns. My strong contention is that IF such work really is going on, it is not going on in the forums that educate and invite the necessary broad-based political pressure to bring about needed change – where are the headlines, the commentaries, the reports of progress or rebuff to mobilize public support??? This solution now is beyond science and jurisprudence – it is and for a long time has been a political question.
If you support the kind of sub rosa work you claim is going on, then it is you and your cohort who are practicing Einsteinian insanity. But again, this may be one more nuance too far for you to grasp.
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Well Frisch,, I see you like your spotted owl well done.
Those “wild and scenic” brush choked canyons… What will be your excuse when those go up like a nuke?
Who’s side is having kittens about removing dead and dying trees?
Nope,, Proggys won’t say a word about their own actions and beliefs, and how they could be responsible.
DO ask your nut Chad Hanson about all that.
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Have you got yours yet?
https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/walmart-selling-shotgun-shell-holiday-lights-people-social-media-not-happy-181736060.html
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Posted by: Walt | 11 November 2018 at 01:11 PM
Those “wild and scenic” brush choked canyons… What will be your excuse when those go up like a nuke?
The same one he always employs…….forest fires….Global Warming……! Burn the toast……Global Warming! Pizza late from Dominos……Global Warming! Erectile dysfunction…….
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,,,trumpski and of course Toddly and Walter want to blame Cali Eco Nuts and Frisco values for forest mismanagement,,
,,problem is that the National Forests are managed by trumpski and the Republican controlled House and Senate!!! BWAHAHAHA!!!
National Forests represent 20 million acres or approximately one-fifth of California’s landscape.
The single biggest threat to these incredible benefits is catastrophic wildfire. Over the last decade, an average of over 400,000 acres burned annually in California. The Forest Service spends about $200 million per year to suppress 98% of these fires and up to $1 billion to suppress the other 2% of fires that escape initial attack and become large catastrophic fires. The annual value of water and timber resources and recreational use on National Forests in California add up to approximately $13 billion for which we receive approximately $500 million per year in congressionally appropriated dollars to manage the multiple benefits derived from these assets.
Forest Service estimates that six to nine million acres of the National Forest System Lands need treatment to increase their resilience to the impacts of disturbances such as wildfire, climate change, invasive species and human population growth. We are treating approximately 200,000 acres per year. Even at this aggressive rate of treatment, it would take 30 to 45 years to treat the number of acres needed to make the difference in restoration of National Forests. In a natural ecosystem, fire returns on a regular basis. When fire is excluded from that natural process, as is the case for 70% of the Region, the resulting fuel buildup can increase the risk of catastrophic wildfires before we can treat those acres either with mechanical thinning or controlled burns.
In order to achieve our Ecological Restoration goals, the Forest Service will need to increase the amount of acres restored from 200,000 acres a year to approximately 500,000 acres per year. We will need an increase of at least $300 million a year of investment to accomplish this goal, but the additional investment potentially saves $800 million annually in direct cost avoidance in suppressing fires. The value of resources protected, including water, property and wildlife habitat, would be in the billions. Existing relationships and future partnerships with other federal, state, local and tribal agencies are crucial to increasing the pace and scale of our restoration efforts.
https://www.fs.usda.gov/detail/r5/landmanagement/?cid=stelprdb5412095
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,,,trumpksi the chicken hawk is afraid of the rain,,,does he even have a driver’s license??? Trump is a shining example of a,,, wimp!!!
Critics were stunned that President Donald Trump skipped a visit Saturday to the Aisne-Marne American Cemetery in France – where U.S. war dead were being honored – because of rain. They zapped him with a series of tweets showing Barack Obama in downpours honoring those who fought in wars in what was bound to be particularly galling to the president.
As many as 1,800 American soldiers killed in the World War I battle of Belleau Wood are buried in the French cemetery. But Trump ditched his planned visit and stayed in his hotel room because of unspecified “scheduling and logistical difficulties caused by the weather,” according to a White House statement.
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That’s the way to do it “M”oron.. Blame it on Trump who has only been in office two short years, while the Dept. of Interior is still infested with ECO LIBS. Just what could Trump do after decades of ECO lunacy? Every logging plan that’s filed is countered with ECO lawsuits.
“Restoration”
What a load of crap.
If the FEDS just can’t manage SO much land, SELL IT!!!
We didn’t have such massive wildfires in the good ol’ days when loggers were busy.
Now you only see burn loges headed to the mills.
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,,,But Trump ditched his planned visit and stayed in his hotel room because of unspecified “scheduling and logistical difficulties caused by the weather,,,
Yeah right,,,the logistical difficulties of dealing with his massive comb-over when subjected to the elements!!!
He probably had to work on his tanning bed tan!!!
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LOL!! “M”oron pulling a Paul! “Quick!! Change the subject!!!”
And a real lame one at that.
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@241 – Talk about a massive narrative fail. The secret service canceled the helo because the flying conditions did not meet their standards and ruled out a 50 mile each way motorcade for security reasons.
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This is a smartly informed website, run by what many many people are saying brilliant. But we will just have to wait and see. Enemy of the people.
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“M” is treading on ground he knows nothing about. And Frisch is so loony he thinks those fires in Malibu are in forests rather than chaparral. But that is what we get from these pseudo eco loons.
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,,,sure Donnie,,,everyone else made it but trumpski no problem,,,
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Looks like Tucker Carlson got some liberal vitriol out at dinner with his daughter who is nineteen. The left are scum. Maybe Frisch and Paul Emery could defend the goon that attacked Tucker’s daughter?
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Well Todd,, recall when the scum known as “jon” did the same to mine?
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Posted by: Walt | 11 November 2018 at 04:25 PM
Well Todd,, recall when the scum known as “jon” did the same to mine?
????
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Furthermore the secret service wouldn’t let Trump do the walk under arc. The French do not have a good security history.
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Lets take a break from the trolls for a minute –
https://www.breitbart.com/local/2018/11/11/california-fire-relatives-search-for-over-100-missing-loved-ones/
Paradise lost.
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😉🤣😲☹️😉
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Paradise Lost! Pray for them. It looks like they are getting help from those the FUE calls Pentuckians.
Walt, I have no memory of “jon” errr, linda, trashing your daughter. Please advise.
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Looks like the PC crowd has changed the “How the grinch stole christmas” to “the grinch”.
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Speaking of Linda Campbell , did you notice her socialist, crazy cat lady act turned off the electorate? She lost and will not be on the school board anymore. How they let her stay after all her violent threats is a black mark on those who tolerated it over these past years.
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And these socialist bastards run the internet!
When Oculus co-founder Palmer Luckey left Facebook, neither said exactly why. The implication that it was due to his quiet donation to a group spreading pro-Trump memes. Now, however, we might have a better idea — and it raises questions about Facebook’s behavior as much as it does Luckey’s. The Wall Street Journal has obtained emails and sources indicating that Facebook executives, including Mark Zuckerberg, pressured Luckey to publicly support libertarian presidential candidate Gary Johnson after word of the donation got out. Moreover, Luckey’s exit wasn’t voluntary. The company placed him on leave and eventually fired him, albeit with an exit package worth “at least” $100 million.
Luckey’s lawyer claimed the company broke the law as a result.
https://www.engadget.com/2018/11/11/facebook-pressured-palmer-luckey-to-support-politician/?yptr=yahoo
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I remember, Walt. When ‘jon’ blew his top and called Hillary Hodge….to paraphrase….a self absorbed self righteous bossy finger pointing petulant lesbian, he never came back here. His true colors came out. And M blew his top and called Melania an “miinigrant!” as he was going down the list of trashing the Trumps. But, he only did a self imposed time out before coming back. Again, their true colors come out. Dougski wants his Wookiee back.
I am beginning to realize that everything they fling at us is, in reality, the very things they are and do threefold. It’s not mass hysteria. Misread it. It’s mass transference of their dirty deeds unto us.
Nice to take a break from the trolls. At least we don’t have any flamers here. Oh, M likes to run over and vomit on our shoes, but he is not taken seriously by any stretch of the imagination. Amusing fellow.
On the eleventh hour on the eleventh day on the eleventh month. Rememberance.
https://www.facebook.com/AtlasSociety/photos/a.10150124236450351/10156751939135351/?type=3&theater
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Just a working girl.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10101868691200126&set=gm.511411679374336&type=3&theater
Closed for Veterns Day.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10101868045059996&set=gm.511168416065329&type=3&theater
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Arizona closing in on flipping to Dems in Senate race.
Democratic Rep. Kyrsten Sinema continued to expand her lead over GOP Rep. Martha McSally on Sunday as new votes were counted in Arizona’s still-uncalled Senate race.
Sinema lead McSally by 32,640 votes as of Sunday evening, and now has 49.6 percent of the vote compared to 48.1 percent for McSally. There are still more than 200,000 votes left in the state to count, a process that could continue into the middle of the coming week. Democratic Rep. Kyrsten Sinema continued to expand her lead over GOP Rep. Martha McSally on Sunday as new votes were counted in Arizona’s still-uncalled Senate race.
Sinema lead McSally by 32,640 votes as of Sunday evening, and now has 49.6 percent of the vote compared to 48.1 percent for McSally. There are still more than 200,000 votes left in the state to count, a process that could continue into the middle of the coming week.
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/11/11/arizona-senate-race-mcsally-sinema-983481
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And to think…..
https://m.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.217983685002343/1475288825938483/?type=3&source=48
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The doctored video emerges.
https://www.facebook.com/caughtseries/videos/941365536049159/UzpfSTEwMDAwMTU5MDIyNTQ0ODo1MTE0MTAwNjkzNzQ0OTc/
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Macron claims nationalism is counter to patriotism. Now there’s a brand new confirmation of how progressives pervert language.
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re: Sinema vs McSally
Although I haven’t seen either of them say anything, it’s an interesting race to watch, and given Sinema’s history, shows the power of Team Blue’s basic strengths.
It isn’t like people change their minds over time due to the convincing nature of their political opponents arguments, aside from the fears of old age. Basically, I think what you are seeing here is population displacement.
The importation of Latinos is a pure winner from the Democrats standpoint plus urbanization has to be playing a part. Folks who live in rat-runs will tend to vote for more centralized control of their lives. Increasingly segregated and tribal societies will desire as big a pie piece as possible, more legal code to cover behavior, more policing, more rules for living generally.
I can see the sense of a political switch-over in that state.
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The GOP candidate for AZ governor is walking away with the race, belying Punchy’s outline of AZ turning Blue… it may be that McSally might have been damaged too much by the three way primary fight, with Joe Arpaio the spoiler who would not have had a chance in hell of winning the main event.
Remember the 11th Commandment?
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Why do you care about the 11th
commandment Gregory. You’re not a Republican, or so you say.
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,,,GeorgeR@711am
“‘Patriotism embraces dissent. It places the overarching values of the country over the short-term interests of the party; it is a child of hope. Nationalism finds its roots in naivety. It does not question. It embraces a form of certainty that makes it vulnerable to the seductive impulses of nativism; it is a child of fear.”‘
https://www.journalnow.com/opinion/columnists/byron-williams-nationalism-is-no-kin-to-patriotism/article_83376cb7-76a4-5ec4-98fb-4db0b51153e2.html
“‘The difference between patriotism and nationalism is that the patriot is proud of his country for what it does, and the nationalist is proud of his country no matter what it does; the first attitude creates a feeling of responsibility, but the second a feeling of blind arrogance that leads to war.”‘
Sydney J. Harris 1953
Patriotism is the love and affection one feels for his country. The feeling of patriotism is based on the values a country espouses and the way it strives to improve. Patriotism is based on the belief in the inherent goodness of the system of government in a country, and the goodness of its people. The word patriotism is derived from the word patriot, from the Latin word patriota meaning fellow citizen, and the suffix -ism, meaning a system or doctrine.
“‘Nationalism is the love and affection one feels for his country. However, nationalism is rooted in the belief that one’s country is superior to all others, and carries the connotation of disapproval of other nations or a rivalry with other nations. While patriotism does not disparage other countries, nationalism builds up one’s own country by tearing other countries down. Nationalism supports dominating other countries. The word nationalism is derived from the word nation, which comes from the Latin word nationem meaning origin or tribe, and the suffix -ism.”‘
https://grammarist.com/usage/patriotism-vs-nationalism/
,,,trumpski is no patriot!!!
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