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Sandbox – 11nov17

11 November 2017

[Will Mueller follow all the Russian collusion clues, or just the ones in sync with his political preferences? gjr]

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226 responses to “Sandbox – 11nov17”

Gregory

12 November 2017

Todd 914
What you mean “We”, kemosabe?
Todd 913
“Subsidies” by the like of Frisch generally include normal business deductions in figuring corporate income taxes.

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Gregory

12 November 2017

Posted by: Bill Tozer | 11 November 2017 at 10:49 PM
“Oh Steve, I never read your links.”
Go ahead and read them, they don’t say what Frisch thinks they say.

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Walt

12 November 2017

Steve. Try relying on wind and solar today. Overcast, and not the slightest breeze to be had. So.. Just what are you cooking breakfast with?
Now you damned well better buy a carbon credit or two to fire up the wood stove. Al and Moonbat demand their due. They have jets that need fuel.

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Todd Juvinall

12 November 2017

Frisch forgets the cost of “backup” when it is not possible to get his favored energy generation. So it is a double cost not cost savings. Like running out of juice in your all-electric rig out there on Highway 50 in the middle of Nevada.

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Todd Juvinall

12 November 2017

Gregory I was talking about the “we” that identifies as the right, that does not mean you.

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Gregory

12 November 2017

Roy Moore may be the 2nd worst candidate on the AL ballot for Senate next month. Am glad I don’t have to choose.
To all who have tolerated Clinton’s (meaning Bill) multiple travels on the Lolita Express who are incensed at Moore… !
In general, I think any last minute dredging up of dirt from 40 years earlier needs to be ignored, for the same reasons one doesn’t pay ransom for hostages unless it’s to get a clear shot at the kidnappers.

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Walt

12 November 2017

Like electric cars?
https://www.howtogeek.com/239948/what-to-consider-before-buying-an-electric-car/
Steve.. Scroll down to the YELLOW CAR. Think CARB would approve? LOL!!!!

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Walt

12 November 2017

Another extension cord replacement Steve, This one JET POWERED!
http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1070677_2012-nissan-leaf-gets-unofficial-jet-powered-range-extender-quick-charger
You might even make it back to Frisco with that one!

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Don Bessee

12 November 2017

The Alabama story is falling apart after only a couple of days. First the story about buying liquor in a restaurant for an underage girl supposedly happened in a DRY County and now the mom of the ’14 year old’ blew up a key part of the narrative. The ’14 year old’ said Moore would call her on her bedroom phone but mom said she did not have a bedroom phone. A poll done Thursday before the WP story had Moore at 50% the same co. ran one Sat night and Moore was 49.8%, there are 3 names on the ballot. We shall see… 😉

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Russ

12 November 2017

Undoing the Dis-Education of Millennials
I teach in a law school. For several years now my students have been mostly Millennials. Contrary to stereotype, I have found that the vast majority of them want to learn. But true to stereotype, I increasingly find that most of them cannot think, don’t know very much, and are enslaved to their appetites and feelings. Their minds are held hostage in a prison fashioned by elite culture and their undergraduate professors.
They cannot learn until their minds are freed from that prison. This year in my Foundations of Law course for first-year law students, I found my students especially impervious to the ancient wisdom of foundational texts, such as Plato’s Crito and the Code of Hammurabi. Many of them were quick to dismiss unfamiliar ideas as “classist” and “racist,” and thus unable to engage with those ideas on the merits. So, a couple of weeks into the semester, I decided to lay down some ground rules. I gave them these rules just before beginning our annual unit on legal reasoning.
Read the rest the rules are HERE:
http://newbostonpost.com/2017/11/09/undoing-the-dis-education-of-millennials/

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Todd Juvinall

12 November 2017

What is different here than the DNC and Hillary and the dossier? Not much. And since the WAPO is owned by a Trump hater Bezos, and the paper endorsed the opponent, it smells to high heaven. Why would a Vietnam vet, law school grad and a DA prosecutor risk it all by chasing these gals? Not likely. Anyway, I tweeted to the Senate R caucus that I think they are all chicken shits about their position. Their com=ndemnation was so fast that their heads were spinning. If they could decide that fast on Ocare or taxes America would be saved!

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Clue-Sew

12 November 2017

Dear Leader Chicken Hawk in Chief was thankfully out of the country this Veteran’s Day,,,He would only have done a disservice to veterans, POWs and MIA,,,we know he only respects vets who were not captured,,,
But Draft Dodger finally made it to Vietnam on Veteran’s day!!! You cannot make this stuff up!!!
I am sure you will all want to know if I am a vet so you have something to bitch about,,,no I am not,,,but as you know I was recruited early on to work as a spy,,,hence my penchant for wearing trenchcoats and fedoras or trilbys!!!
http://www.aquascutum.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/thumbnail/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/h/i/historic_bogart_image.jpg

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Scott Obermuller

12 November 2017

I asked Frisch twice why we need to financially prop up renewable ‘green’ energy if it’s cheaper than the current alternatives.
He won’t answer.
This is why the leftist green weenies have no credibility.
The correct answer is that millionaires and billionaires need your tax money handed to them to help make them even richer.
And Frisch – Trump has never ‘pledged’ to subsidize coal.

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Walt

12 November 2017

Hay Stevey!! Any profit that might have been made gets tossed on the scrap heap WITH the dead windmill. 33 grand to take just ONE down.
https://oilprice.com/Alternative-Energy/Wind-Power/Germany-Now-Faced-With-Thousands-Of-Aging-Wind-Farms.html
Who will subsidize the dismantling?

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Walt

12 November 2017

Bunhole looking for a new name. (Yes, Bunbun was kind of a “flamer”. Stage name at the gay strip joint?)
Try “The other KFC”. That is a better fit for you.
But YES,, you CAN make that shit up. LIBS and Proggys are good at it.

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Don Bessee

12 November 2017

Here is some troll chow for the haters-
http://nypost.com/2017/11/11/turns-out-trump-didnt-ruin-americas-economy/

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Scott Obermuller

12 November 2017

Another green weenie bit of nonsense. The Tesla promoters are always happy to point out how fast the electric car is and how quickly it can accelerate. Proof that electric cars are better than IC cars.
Well.
Dodge is now sending cars to their dealers that are much cheaper than the Tesla and can out-accelerate the Tesla. So – is this then a good thing?
No – in fact, some are calling for it to be banned because of the same attributes that make the Tesla ‘great’.
Double standards?
Of course.
Electric car fast=good
IC car fast=bad.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2017/11/12/controversial-840-horsepower-dodge-demon-heads-dealers/856103001/

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Gregory

12 November 2017

trying to type like Ben Stein…
Frisch?
Frisch?
Frisch?
Frisch? …

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Don Bessee

12 November 2017

Here is one for the hater @1150. 😉
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/11/amazing-video-vietnam-war-veteran-cries-president-trumps-shoulder-vietnam-speech/

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Walt

12 November 2017

Like I said. LIBs LIE!!!
http://dailycaller.com/2017/11/12/former-clinton-advisor-calls-trump-a-russian-agent/

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fish

12 November 2017

…..hence my penchant for wearing trenchcoats and fedoras or trilbys!!!
…..and no pants rumor has it.

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news o’ the day

12 November 2017

http://www.wbaltv.com/article/california-naacp-seeks-to-remove-star-spangled-banner-as-national-anthem/13449326

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Bonnie McGuire

12 November 2017

I love the discussions Dr. Rebane encourages on this blog. I get to be inspired by intelligence and disgusted with stupidity. Both are a compatible education. Those continually attacking corporations obviously haven’t paid attention over the years. America had limitations on corporations until the environmentalists were used to destroy our free enterprise systems small businesses empowering the formation of corporations for business employers to survive. I remember a lumber coupon Quincy donating $50,000 to environmentalists. I don’t blame the company that employed workers and provided us with lumber. This was in conjunction with the gov San Francisco newspaper as promising a paid vacation to activists to demonstrate against logging in the Sierra. I blame the corrupt, illegal methods used by government to change America.

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Bonnie McGuire

12 November 2017

Prey about the error “coupon” instead of company.

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Gregory

12 November 2017

“And yet I posted the actual pricing of UNSUBSIDIZED elctricity [sic] generation and they are competitive. All of the above means that when wind and solar are cheaper, which they either are or are rapidly becoming, we should be replacing fossil fuel based energy.”
-Frisch 850AM
And yet, when I posted the quote from Lazard from the report that you apparently stopped reading when you got numbers you wanted, that they ignored the cost of storage or backup power generation. you went into hiding. Wind and solar isn’t cheaper until you ignore the fact the sun don’t shine for very long each day even when the skies aren’t cloudy all day, and you boost the price of fossil fuel energy because of the cost of ‘climate mitigations’ that are (ahem) controversial at best.
Steve Frisch, were you lying or were you just not reading the material as critically as you should have?

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Scott Obermuller

12 November 2017

I still want to hear more about how we are going to be paid to use electricity.
Can I just buy a truck load of nickel-chrome wire and make a 200 amp circuit and heat my back yard while getting a check from Idaho Power every month?
Bueller?
Anyone?

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Bill Tozer

13 November 2017

Steve @ 8:52 AM
“For a guy who does not read links you sure have a lot to comment on. If you want to remain willfully ignorant that’s fine with me.”
Yep, no agrument here. Can’t say you didn’t try to help me see the light. That I do give you much credit for. I should have said I don’t read every link. Since I am in a rather generous mood, I do credit you for answering every question I have posed to you as well as your unequivocal statement (a couple of years ago) that capitalism is the best vehicle to deliver goods and services. That shows you know which side is up.
As far as not reading every link, I am in good company. I don’t think anyone does. I will post a link, and then 2-3days later somebody else will post the same link all happy they are presenting it to the readership. And it’s not just me. I bet most don’t bother to read my links or dribble. Sometimes I will throw in a contrary sentence or something off beat just to see if anyone is paying attention, lol. Sometimes I will accidentally omit one word (typo or not proof reading) and my main point, my punch line ends up exactly opposite of the idea I was trying to convey. I seldom correct them anymore…just let it ride. I never read Bunbun’s posts at all now, never read one word of what Brother Ben has to say, and just read one line of Punchy’s stuff,(a sentence I choose at random, be it In the middle or near the bottom. Never, ever, any Punchy links.
Yep, you tried. And I am a hyprocrite since one of my favorite quotes is Spencer’s Contempt Prior to Investigation.
“There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments, and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance—that principle is contempt prior to investigation.”
— Herbert Spencer…..(but research shows Herbert Spencer probably did not pen that gem, but it is a most fitting quote anywho, anyhow.)
I often think of that quote when our Popinjay gets to drawing some conclusion out of of the flimsiest of unsubstainated evidence or really gets going g playing Don Quixote titling at windmills, as you undoubtedly think the same of us, if I may be allowed to use the word “us” for just one time. This Roy Moore story is an example of Popinjay’s desire for something to be true…or the Yellow Shower Dossier as well. Contempt prior to investigation is a two way street, unfortunately. I have co tempt for everything some say or do.
It’s not just my stuff who people skim over links and writings. I have seen Russ post something great with no response, until somebody else posts the exact same link at a later date. Walt, Fish, many others have done the same. There simply is not enough time to read every link under every post and it’s not personal. Well, strike that. I never read some people’s links and always read others. Call it contempt prior to investigation.
As far as The Mean Green Energy Machine goes, the technology in and of itself will make it happen in due time. However, to pay for alternative energy and discourage reliance on fossil fuels, my utility rates will keep climbing. Period. It’s an artificial spike in conventional power rates to the end user by government design, so don’t boast that solar and wind electrical generation will become cheaper for the end user in time. That is a given as long as the Federal and some State governments continue to push for a continuing series of artificial rate hikes levied on conventional electricty creating companies and suppliers to make darn certain your prediction will come to pass. Hey, what happened to algae as the fuel of the future? Or hydrogen or cold fusion? Right now solar and wind is unreliable and best suited for certain limited geographical areas and for end users (households) and businesses that have the luxury and enough spare change at the end of the month to afford it.
I don’t blame you for being an advocate for the Mean Green Alternative Energy Machine. You are not alone. Government will find a way to tax the solar and wind stuff in due time. Their appetite for more and more and more for other people’s money is insatiable. There is never enough and they will never be satisfied. Just look how they are trying to figure out the best way to tax electric vehicles on miles driven or how people who said goodbye to their local power company are being charged a monthly “fee”. Hawaii has already discovered that power companies simply do not have the need or shortage of electricty to meet demand for them to wastefully buy back unneeded power from residential, business, and even local municiple government sources. No thanks, we have enough…. our needs are met. Try again some other time.
Until your vision is fully realized, I will stick with what I got. Now, if I were to move off the grid, you betcha I would have a little tiny hydro machine or petlon wheel in the creek as well as a old fashioned wind mill, some black rectangle solar panels, a solar water bag to take a Navy Shower, a wood stove, some backup generators, and a Bennie and Cecil hat with little helicopter blades on top.
Fun fact: The first time I saw the value of solar was one day at a beach….many moons ago. This guy had a solar powered blender that was powered by a very beachy looking panel about the size of an air mattress. He was making margaritas, blending the ice and mix while a small crowd that included me gathered to watch his new fangled contraption. Never seen anything like it. It was cool and fun as he making the onlookers drinks with much pleasure and abandon. All was going absolutely maverleous until some drunk stumbled on the air mattress looking solar panel and broke the new toy. Bummer, dude.

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Ben Emery

13 November 2017

Energy Subsides to fossil fuel industry directly or indirectly has to be in the hundreds of billions and even possibly more than a trillion when all added up over the years. The infrastructure put in place to promote fossil fuel energy is definitely in the trillions.
Now compare that to a few hundred billion for renewables, it is a drop in the bucket.
Then if we capture external costs of doing business like clean up of extraction, oil spills, decreased health, etc… the fossil fuel industry is getting into the trillion(s) bracket.
The biggest welfare exploiters are big business.

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Todd Juvinall

13 November 2017

Oh Ben Emery, give us the benefit of your research and facts on your claim the energy/oil industry has received a trillion buck in subsidies. I am real interested and if true I will be upset. So give us the facts of your claim so I can be armed to debate those that love oil.

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Steve Frisch

13 November 2017

Posted by: Gregory | 12 November 2017 at 06:52 PM
If someone is having a problem reading the Lazard Cst of Energy graph and study Gregory, I think it’s you.
First, all power generation, whether renewable or conventional, has to pay for interconnection, and the costs of interconnection of both are roughy equal, thus the cost for all power sources is leveld out of the curve.
Second, I acknowledged up front that the break in utility cost would come when we solve the storage problem, which we are working on dilegently right now and making huge strides. See my original comment below.
So no, I did not lie, you are a schmuck. You misrepresented what I said, as usual.
“In short solar and wind are crushing natural gas and coal. Frankly our biggest problem is going to be that we have so much that we have to pay people to take it during the day. As soon as we solve the storage issue at a utility scale or through distributed storage, coal and natural gas will be toast.”
There is a seocnd way to deal with the oversupply of renewables, which is to create a regionalized energy market in the western US allowing power suppliers in California to sell more of their power into the western grid.
http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/09/11/lawmakers-consider-plan-for-regional-power-grid/
But the key point I made, that California is beginning to produce so much renewable power that it could be a powerful force to begin driving prices down is 100% accurate, and widely reported.
https://qz.com/953614/california-produced-so-much-power-from-solar-energy-this-spring-that-wholesale-electricity-prices-turned-negative/
Finally, let me point out a final benefit to producng power in a way that it can be stored on site and in residential and commercial buildings. I recently looked into purchasing a battery back up for my house. I estimated that I needed to be abe to store a minimum of two days worth of power in order to deal with weather related interruptions. When I priced the cost of doing that 2 years ago it was more than $8k. When I priced it last month it was less than $4k. (without the roughly $1500 cost of installation).
If I were able to store power on site I would have no need to be connected to the grid during weather events…for example high winds that lead to downed power lines that lead to catostrophic forest fires, death and property damage. If that were incorporated into California building code we could simple power lines down in weather events, which is exactky what PG&E and Sonoma County are looking at now as a long term solution to reducing the growing risk of wildfire.
The fact that you guys are stubbornly defending the ‘traditional” instead of embracing and driving the new, even though it could lead to reduced prices for consumers, does not surpirse me, because defending the old is what the philosphy here is all about.
Years ago I stated the purpose of ‘subsidy” was to speed the adoption of new technology and eventually get everyone off subsidies….a point that none of you acknowledged….now that it is happening it desn’t suprise me that you are disappointed, and refuse to see facts when they are staring you right in the face.

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Steve Frisch

13 November 2017

Posted by: Todd Juvinall | 13 November 2017 at 06:32 AM
Ben may not have overstated the subsidies that carbon based fuels receive, expecially when taking into account the social cost of carbon on public health.
2002-2008
http://www.eli.org/sites/default/files/eli-pubs/d19_07.pdf
2013
http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/attachments/03-12-EnergyTechnologies.pdf
1850-2010
http://www.misi-net.com/publications/NEI-1011.pdf
Of course briefly during the Obama administration the subsidies for renewables outpaced fossil fuels:
https://www.brookings.edu/research/beyond-boom-and-bust-putting-clean-tech-on-a-path-to-subsidy-independence/
And now under President Molester we are going the other way:
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2017/oct/09/trumps-plan-to-bail-out-failing-fossil-fuels-with-taxpayer-subsidies-is-perverse
And please remember that none of these figures include the subsidy the coal industry gets by having Congressinally mandated lower cost for transportation of coal that no other industry enjoys….which drives u the price of consumer goods competing for the same space on the national rail network.
Todd, I have a buggy whip company that you could invest in.

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Clue-Sew

13 November 2017

Roy Moore,,, a Breitbart favorite,,,and wannabe Toy Story Woody character,,,is just another Winestain,,,
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/teresa-jones-says-roy-moore-common-knowledge-dated-teens/

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Steve Frisch

13 November 2017

Posted by: Walt | 12 November 2017 at 11:58 AM
You might compare that to the cost of decomissioning antiquated nuclear power plants or coal and natural gas fired generation facilities.
https://thebulletin.org/rising-cost-decommissioning-nuclear-power-plant7107
Might also want to take a look at pg. 19 of this report on the average costs of decommissioning different types of power facilities:
http://www.rff.org/files/document/file/RFF%20Rpt%20Decommissioning%20Power%20Plants.pdf
Regardless, the decommissioning cost needs to be taken into account in the overall proforma of a project.

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Todd Juvinall

13 November 2017

Frisch and your links on oil prove that the oil industry gets tax breaks for their businesses just like everyone else. Your fake news analysis of that is truly telling. At least the oil and gas industries supply a produst used by billions of people on planet earth. Unlike SBC that is purely a money loser for the treasury, and supplies nothing the millions of employees and stockholders get something plausible. Your attitude about the free markets is better-suited in the old Albanian model.

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Steve Frisch

13 November 2017

Posted by: Todd Juvinall | 13 November 2017 at 08:26 AM
Heaven forbid you use actual data to help guide your decision-making process Todd.
BTW, the consumer is truly agnostic about where its power comes from once it is converted to Kwh.
Re: SBC, it must chap you hide that we are sucessful…but it is irrelevant to any of my comments here….I am speaking as a private citizen.

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Steve Frisch

13 November 2017

Posted by: Todd Juvinall | 13 November 2017 at 06:32 AM
“Oh Ben Emery, give us the benefit of your research and facts on your claim the energy/oil industry has received a trillion buck in subsidies. I am real interested and if true I will be upset.”
Oh, and I am waiting for that ‘real upset’ part 🙂

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Todd Juvinall

13 November 2017

No Frisch you are a cherry picker and follower of The Guardian. My goodness try the Heritage Foundation for some balance. As far as SBC being successful? Not chapped at all. Actually kind of see why some like charlatans who can foist an idea and get free money from the taxpayers. You are really good at it.

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Todd Juvinall

13 November 2017

Here is one of many Heritage Foundation explanations about your fantasy on oil subsidies.
http://www.heritage.org/environment/report/whats-oil-subsidy

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Walt

13 November 2017

Nice try Stevey,, You get plenty more out of a nuke plant than windmills. So you like running at a loss. Have at it. Next time use your own money to do it.
What’s the endangered dead bird count up to now from solar and windmills?
Want cheap power? string a few car alternators together with a ten speed bike. Looks like you could use the exercise.

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Steve Frisch

13 November 2017

Posted by: Todd Juvinall | 13 November 2017 at 08:41 AM
Funny, I substantively agree with many of the reccoemmendations in this Hertigae Foundation comment, but I must note that many of the Obama adminsitration proposals actually never went into effect because they were included in the budget, and we didn’t pass a budget we passed continuing resolutions. We have not actually passed a federal budget and appropriations bills since 2002.

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Steve Frisch

13 November 2017

Yes, facts are indeed stubborn things to closed and weak minds.

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George Rebane

13 November 2017

Subsidies, now that is term the definition of which is all over the place. Most certainly all definitions used in the public forums are based on the users’ ideologies. Arguing that something, say, renewable or fossil fuel energy production, transmission, usage, … is subsidized without defining the term gives rise to the above massive blasts of hot air that pass each other without imparting any warmth to anyone’s understanding. I invite our discussants (especially the progressive contributors) to point us to their favorite definitions, or paint a new one for us.
One of the standard hip-level (i.e. highest level of neural pre-processing) criticisms we get from the Left is that RR is a stasist and an unexamined champion of the old, obsolete, and useless. I do challenge our critics to back that up with an example of a progressive blog that presents, considers, and debates ideas – social, political, technical, scientific, religious, … – with anywhere near the frequency, intensity, breadth of viewpoints, etc that occurs as a matter of everyday business-as-usual on RR.

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fish

13 November 2017

Posted by: Steve Frisch | 13 November 2017 at 09:00 AM
Says the guy who is on the record as saying that the government is going to bring the price of health care down.

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Paul Emery

13 November 2017

The Republicans don’t want him either. McConnell confirms accusations against the child abuser are real.
Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) said that Alabama Senate GOP candidate Roy Moore should leave the race, saying he believes the women who have accused Moore of sexual misconduct.
“I think he should step aside,” McConnell told reporters in Louisville. He had previously said Moore should leave the race if the allegations were true. “I believe the women, yes,” McConnell said.

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Gregory

13 November 2017

“Yes, facts are indeed stubborn things to closed and weak minds.”
Such as those educated in Chicago public schools and indoctrinated in poli-sci at Cal State ‘Frisco? Yes, you certainly read the Lazard report the way it was intended… renewable energy is CHEAPER, if you ignore the costs of the parallel systems required to smooth out the grid in less than a second when clouds obscure the PV or wind fails. And if you price the CO2 emissions high enough (also with Lazard customers taking a cut as good globalists with money are all expecting). Not to mention the real pollution moved to China by the mining and manufacturing that used to be done in the good ol’ USA.
Glad you came back, Steve, but the “storage” problem will never really be solved. It will always be there as long as clouds come and go according to no schedule and the wind doesn’t blow on command.
BTW… what PV do you have on your own home? If any, would it be there without the direct subsidies or by California forcing PG&E (and other) power companies to buy the excess at an above market rate?

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fish

13 November 2017

I should work for the DNC….even though I can’t take credit for penning the sentiment!

BIDEN 2020? It’s not as crazy as it sounds….

Does that not just scream to be on a bumpersticker?
https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-11-12/biden-2020-it-s-not-as-crazy-as-it-sounds
Joe Biden…the “Prince Ruprecht” of the democrat party.

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fish

13 November 2017

Posted by: Paul Emery | 13 November 2017 at 09:10 AM
Punch-E……..!

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Todd Juvinall

13 November 2017

Oh Paul Emery, I could care less what McConnell says about Moore. He never said a word about Weiner. He never refused to NOT seat Blumenthal of Connecticut who lied about serving in Vietnam. And Even McCain who was part of the Keating Five and screwed hundreds of elderly women out of their money. All that was proven. Moore is allegations from the 70’s and sound like a Team Hillary attack strategy. Moore up ten over Jones.

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Gregory

13 November 2017

Remember Congressman Gerry Studds!
He was actually banging teenaged male congressional pages. Got censured for it in the ’80’s but wasn’t thrown out over one liaison with a 17 year old (age of consent in DC was and is 16, so it wasn’t illegal). Reelected multiple times.
Moore’s problem (the only illegal act he’s been accused of was provide a drink to an 18 year old woman when the drinking age was 19) may have been that women his age were more uppity than he could handle, or perhaps he just liked the idea of his clumsy lovemaking attempts not being compared to others due to the younglings not having others just yet. Or, maybe, in his age group there just weren’t many virgins left… besides him. We don’t know (and I personally don’t care)… but we do know that the holier than thou newscasters badgering Moore supporters since the mud hit the fan all gave Studds a lifetime pass. He was buried with accolades in 2006 as the first openly gay congressman.

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Paul Emery

13 November 2017

Pathetic Ann Coulter
“Hey Dems! JFK had an extra marital affair with 19-year old Mimi Alford when he was 45 years old.”
19 is not 14 in case you don’t know the law.

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