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Sandbox – 11nov17

11 November 2017

[Will Mueller follow all the Russian collusion clues, or just the ones in sync with his political preferences? gjr]

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226 responses to “Sandbox – 11nov17”

Russ

11 November 2017

Politics all the way down, it is the Washington way of life.

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Paul Emery

11 November 2017

Amazing that on Veterans Day Trump affirms his belief that the Russians didn’t attempt to interfere with our elections contrary to the opinion of all American intelligence agencies.
Trump quote
““He said he didn’t meddle — I asked him again,” Mr. Trump told reporters traveling with him aboard Air Force One as he flew to Hanoi for more meetings. “You can only ask so many times. I just asked him again. He said he absolutely did not meddle in our election.
He did not do what they are saying he did.”

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fish

11 November 2017

Posted by: Paul Emery | 11 November 2017 at 08:17 AM
Everything amazes you Punch……

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Robert Cross

11 November 2017

“just the ones in sync with his political preferences? ” You and Russ are good corporate soldiers George continually trying to politicize and polarize what is, in fact, a legal issue, in order to spread doubt or ease your conscience or both. Classic tobacco/fossil fuel/pharmaceutical/petrochemical industry damage control tactics that you folks seem to fall for every time. One would think that proclaimed patriots like yourselves would want to get to the truth rather than try and obscure it. #Not a witch hunt…Sad.

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fish

11 November 2017

Posted by: Robert Cross | 11 November 2017 at 08:45 AM
#thanksbobby

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Paul Emery

11 November 2017

Yes Fish Trump is pretty amazing in a dark and dangerous way

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Todd Juvinall

11 November 2017

BobbieC 845
Sure we are. Of course, eberything we learned came from your ilk. But that’s OK. We won you lost, get used to losing.
And we are all about protecting corporations that wish to kill all their customers. It is our lot in lfe.

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fish

11 November 2017

Posted by: Paul Emery | 11 November 2017 at 08:55 AM

Yeah…..sucks to be scared all the time huh?

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Todd Juvinall

11 November 2017

Oh my. It appears one of Moore’s accusers is a democrat activist who worked for Joe Biden and Hillary Clinto. Ya think it might be a slime job?
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/11/10/roy-moores-accuser-did-work-for-joe-biden-other-democrats/

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Robert Cross

11 November 2017

“And we are all about protecting corporations that wish to kill all their customers. It is our lot in lfe.” I don’t think it is your lot in life Todd, you are just too politicized to know any better. You and your ilk don’t really care about the country, you just seem to care about winning because that is about the only defense you have for Trump. And we should all believe the biggest liar in politics because he says his buddy Putin and the ruskies didn’t interfere in our election. #sad but true…
#you’re welcome fishy, always glad to make your day

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Don Bessee

11 November 2017

God Bless our Veterans! Shame on the po’ ol’ fakenewsman for his 817. 😉

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fish

11 November 2017

Posted by: Robert Cross | 11 November 2017 at 09:54 AM
#punche&bobbeesavedemocracy

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Todd Juvinall

11 November 2017

Robert Cross | 11 November 2017 at 09:54 AM
Sure BobbieC, we don’t care about our country or the people the corporations are killing who are also their customers. My my, where do you leftwing loons come up with your stuff? And tell us all your profession and who you vote for. As far aas the biggest liar? Are you really that dumb? Hillary destroyed 33,000 emails paid for a fake dossier and did “pay to play” for her tenure at State. My goodness, you libs would defend SATAN as long as he dissed a Republican.

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Walt

11 November 2017

Paul (and bob) Where is the EVIDENCE Putin “meddled” in the election? So someone IN Russia may have had a good ol’ time in the DNC computers(a private computer,,,NOT U.S. gov) and Hillary’s clandestine and illegal computer.(still not U.S. gov.)
We have more evidence that Paul might be uh,,, lite in the loafers at this point. ( you did it to yourself Paul)
There in a mountain of evidence the Clinton should be jailed for breaching national security.

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Robert Cross

11 November 2017

Here you go Todd, what about fracking which you love along with fossil fuels? You are defending satan Todd.
https://yubanet.com/enviro/fracking-chemicals-linked-to-neurodevelopmental-health-impacts/
#littlefishydestroystheplanet

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Paul Emery

11 November 2017

My goodness Walt you are such a Putin cuddler. I believe Trump is an outright commie the way he gushes over the international criminal Putin. Even his own CIA Director dowsn’t support him. Here’s some quotes
Trump Sides With Putin Over U.S. Intelligence On Election Meddling
“In a statement to CNN on Saturday, CIA Director Mike Pompeo — a Trump appointee ― stood by the agency’s findings.
“The Director stands by and has always stood by the January 2017 Intelligence Community Assessment entitled: Assessing Russian Activities and Intentions in Recent U.S. Elections,” the agency said. “The intelligence assessment with regard to Russian election meddling has not changed.”
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-putin-election-hacking_us_5a06de14e4b01d21c83ebdf7?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009

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Paul Emery

11 November 2017

Sorry about this Todd but you’re hero Roy Moore is headed for the dumster of politics. this just came out today
“It was common knowledge that Roy dated high school girls, everyone we knew thought it was weird,” former Deputy DA Theresa Jones reportedly told CNN. “We wondered why someone his age would hang out at high school football games and the mall.”
“Late 70’s and 80’s – at that time and atmosphere it was weird he was dating teenagers but you really wouldn’t say anything to someone like that,” Jones continued.
Marquardt was following up on a comment left on the Gadsden Times website story on the allegations against Roy Moore.
https://www.rawstory.com/2017/11/everyone-thought-it-was-weird-deputy-da-who-served-with-moore-confirms-he-dated-high-school-girls/
“I was a deputy DA in Gadsden with Roy Moore. I have no doubt these stories have validity,” Teresa D. Jones of Sarasota posted. “Roy was known to eschew dating his own age and preferred teenagers.”
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“I challenge all of my colleagues in the Bar and on the bench at that time to come forward to support that Roy Moore should not be elected to represent the place of my birth and my home for many years,” Jones concluded.

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Russ

11 November 2017

Oh My!
Alabama ABC Affiliate Can’t Find One Voter Who Believes WaPo Report About Roy Moore in Man-on-the-Street Segment
http://www.breitbart.com/video/2017/11/10/alabama-abc-affiliate-cant-find-one-voter-believes-wapo-report-roy-moore-man-street-segment/
Another indicator that the main stream press has lost all credibility, they squandered it on Russia, Russia, Russia!

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Paul Emery

11 November 2017

Russ
Are you saying Breitbart has credibility? My goodness.

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Todd Juvinall

11 November 2017

Oh Paul Emery, I have a close friend who attended a meeting today with Moore. The press is there of course and as thick as fleas. He says no one believes this crap and Moore will probably make t. So I am sure the media can keep dredging up people to lie. Look how long it took you to come out. All those are lies about you?

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Todd Juvinall

11 November 2017

RC at 254
You bet I love fracking. It has changed everything about Arab oil imports. And made us free from extortion. You really are not too bright and it shows every time you post your liberal trash.

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Paul Emery

11 November 2017

Todd
I will not join you as a Log
Cabin Republican as much as you seem to desire me. Sorry to tell you I’m not gay . Better look elsewhere.

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George Rebane

11 November 2017

Don’t Breitbart and HuffPost have equal credibility among their constituents?

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Russ

11 November 2017

California Gov. Jerry Brown to protesters during climate speech: ‘Let’s put you in the ground’
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/california-gov-jerry-brown-to-protesters-during-climate-speech-lets-put-you-in-the-ground/article/2640410

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Todd Juvinall

11 November 2017

Oh Paul Emery, you really are a gay man aren’t you? Always fantasizing about me even though I have told you I am only into women. So stop it and go back to the bathhouses.

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Steve Frisch

11 November 2017

With all due respect, here is the cost of renewables versus conventional fuels for electricity generation in $$ per Mwh.
https://c1cleantechnicacom-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/files/2016/12/solar-energy-costs-wind-energy-costs-LCOE-Lazard.png
In short solar and wind are crushing natural gas and coal. Frankly our biggest problem is going to be that we have so much that we have to pay people to take it during the day. As soon as we solve the storage issue at a utility scale or through distributed storage, coal and natural gas will be toast.

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Bill Tozer

11 November 2017

Meddling is the operative word here. Russians meddled. Many a man has complained about mother-in-laws that meddled.
And Paul, you should not have opened that door of credibility door. Brietbart has 1,000 times more credibility than you and everything you post. You are dumb enough to take the Yellow Shower Dossier at face value, even though Steele did not verify one fact or allegation. Unlike Steele, Punchy takes it all as credible, lol. Punchy using the word credible is….incredible.
Putin has zero credibility, which is twice as much as you have, Punch Drunk One.. Trump repeated what Putin said. Putin said he did not interfere. Trump sad (as RC posted) that Trump asked, Putin denied, and Trump said got he same answer again. Only so many times you can ask. But Punchy makes the leap of faith, erects a straw man, tries to connect the dots for the 1,000th time, looks like a fool with zero credibility for the 1,000th time, and says Trump believes Putin. You can’t make this stuff up. Fact is stranger than fiction in our water boy world. Oh my.
Hmm. Did Trump agree with what Putin said??? Or did he tell he press what Putin said? Do you even know what you write?
Meddling! Meddling! Collusion! Trump and T Rex and Putin are going to get all the oil!!! It’s the secret plot. I have concerns, lols.
Carry on Punchy. You got Trump reeling back into the ropes now!
A dossier that was fed to Steele by Russians agents, that Steele did not lift a finger to verify one statement, and Punchy thought that was credible, Punchy believes Russian agents, but not their boss. Sweet, ROFLMAO
Popinjay, you are too funny. I would refrain from talking about credibility if I were you, but I am not. Trump agrees with Putin. Well, if Putin said so and so, and Punchy reported that Putin said so and so, then by Punchy’s own logic that means Punchy agrees with Putin. Never dhange, please never change.

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Bill Tozer

11 November 2017

Corporations want to kill their customers? Guess Bobbie is talking about the NFL again. Yep, the customers are dropping like flies.
Oh, Happy Veterans Day Punchy. Thank you for your service. Forgot to put that in the last comment. Carry on. Too hip, gotta go.

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Walt

11 November 2017

Colluding with China Steve? Ever see how those solar panels are made? ( Too toxic to make in Ca.) Go live near a wind farm ol’ boy.
Let’s see how soon you move away due to the noise.
Never mind those bird blenders wear out before turning a profit, let alone paying for themselves.
Your always looking for the sucker with a self imposed guilt trip.
Then there is this coming down the pike.
http://dailycaller.com/2017/11/11/how-gops-tax-deal-could-end-gov-browns-anti-fossil-fuel-fantasies/
Don’t forget this from Jerry and the kids.
““Governor Jerry Brown has expressed an interest in barring the sale of vehicles powered by internal-combustion engines,” Mary Nichols, chairman of the California Air Resources Board, told reporters in September about what Brown might have in store for the state.”
I really would love to see that pushed. Get right on that, will you?
Think that would win elections?

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Walt

11 November 2017

Paul fails to read his own post/
“The president’s comments fly in the face of a report from U.S. intelligence agencies earlier this year that concluded that Putin had ordered hacking against the Democratic National Committee”
Paul. The DNC is a PRIVATE org. The DNC had less computer security than my cell phone. The were TOLD by the FBI that security was more than lacking.
I have yet to see that written order. Where is it? Have Putin’s John Hancock on an order?

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Scott Obermuller

11 November 2017

Frisch at 4:14 – “Frankly our biggest problem is going to be that we have so much that we have to pay people to take it during the day.”
Yeah – I remember that line about nuke power plants.
Question – If renewables are so cheap – why are we subsidizing them so heavily?
First we got hooked on foreign oil and now the left wants us hooked on Chinese made panels.
Ever check out the mining that goes on to support the current electric battery market?
Ever check out the extraction, processing, manufacturing, handling in use and disposal of the various minerals and elements needed for electric cars? That stuff they’re pulling out of the ground ain’t renewable, pal.
And remember – it will need to be ramped up a million times over to make the greenies dreams come true.
Clean energy from renewables just means left wing greenies won’t ever have to see the pollution in their own town. The poorest people in the world will.
Oh well.

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Walt

11 November 2017

Speaking of LIB lies, not many are buying the accusations against Moore.
http://www.breitbart.com/video/2017/11/10/alabama-abc-affiliate-cant-find-one-voter-believes-wapo-report-roy-moore-man-street-segment/
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During a segment that aired on Friday’s broadcast of Birmingham, AL ABC affiliate WBMA 33/40’s 5 p.m. local news, political reporter Lauren Walsh sought out voters in Columbiana, AL to gauge their reactions to the Washington Post report that alleged Republican U.S. Senate hopeful Roy Moore engaged in inappropriate conduct with four teenage girls more than 34 years ago.
None of the respondents according to Walsh told her they believed the Post’s reporting. ”
Yes LIBS you have a credibility problem. The masses are hip to your tricks.

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Bill Tozer

11 November 2017

1) Walt, concerning Judge Roy:
I liked the part about the Wa Compost storyteller who broke the Judge Roy yarn writing bad checks all over town. That don’t sit well with the credibility crowd.
Hmmm. Come to think of it, best thing Trump did was mock that NYT reporter. Trump mocked the man not because the dude is disabled, walking about, working full time, and banging on his computer machine pumping out stories or racing off to next press conference, but rather Trump mocked him because he is a journalist, a vocation that ranks below used car salesmen and slightly above waiting in the dentist’s office for a double root canal….without Novocain. Ah, the best reporters at the Times and Wa Compost cover the travel section and are usually out of sight, out of mind.
2). Steve is right. Just as soon as the solar and wind folks can figure out how to get reliable electricity down the transmission lines, all will be grand. For now, stay close to home if you want juice. Long way from the deserts to NC. :). As Hank Hill once said, “Propane is God’s gas.” Worked fine and kept me warm during the last power outage that windy stormy night. No complaints from me, especially since the wind done tore up my neighbor’s solar panels and created a very unhappy green dude. Those panels are ugly, glad to see them go. Gone with the wind..and left a leaky roof to boot. Get this….the panels were to run his well. Oh, no morning coffee for them…until he fired up a fossil fuel powered generator.
Hey, they once said someday man will fly like a bird in the sky, someday man will walk on the moon, someday only little girls will wear dresses, and someday they will be selling Henry Weinhard’s beer as far away as Los Angeles, California. The preceding was from an old commercial I liked when I worked outside of Portland, many many moons ago.
Steve is correct. Timing may be off, a bit premature. And someday all the broke homeless people standing in the soup line and all the struggling families working paycheck to paycheck will be forced to drive an electric go-cart, whether they have the means to purchase one or not. Sad but true.
Ok, back to politics:
“Roy Moore should change his name to Bob Menendez, and then the media will leave him alone.” —Ben Shapiro
Speaking of Jerry Brown and his brown streak ideas:
https://www.facebook.com/PatriotPost/photos/a.82108390913.80726.51560645913/10155184496375914/?type=3&theater

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Steve Frisch

11 November 2017

Posted by: Bill Tozer | 11 November 2017 at 07:19 PM
Posted by: Scott Obermuller | 11 November 2017 at 05:31 PM
Yeah, you guys did read the chart and do at least a little independent research tight? The deal is the power is already going down the line boys, and people are buying it, for less than coal and gas, and at certain times of the day we are actually paying people to take power because we have too much.

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Todd Juvinall

11 November 2017

I think most people are for “all of the above” energy sources. And when the are cost competitive people will move to those they can afford. So far the alternatives are not competitive as far as I see. But hopefully, they can become so some day.

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George Rebane

11 November 2017

About wind and solar power – I didn’t catch the part of why we are still subsidizing it if it’s cheaper and therefore making making higher margins than fossil fuels. Don’t get me wrong, I’m all for competitive clean power when the technology and economics bear it out. Can anyone demonstrate that the time for that has come?

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Bill Tozer

11 November 2017

Oh Steve, I never read your links. Plus, for me, solar or wind just does not pencil out. I conserve power, which makes my bill so low that solar would be an expense I don’t need. The one thing I cannot stomach is the solar or wind footprint. Just takes up way way way way too much space on the country side. Now, if you could power, say 30,000 homes and businesses with a 2-3 acre footprint, then I am all ears. Ok, do it under 7 acres if you have to, but please for Pete’s sake, don’t cover every foot of soil, every nice hilltop, every desert view, and every green space with big butt ugly mirrors, wind turbines, towers, and the ugliest thing I can imagine, aka, those repulsive black rectangles your proudly call panels. Same reason all the banana brains are against dams. A sin against our beautiful landscape and bad for our furry friends and prehistoric fish….and little minnows and the bugs they eat. Plus, I am a loving bird watcher and your bird shredders…well, go fuck yourself and the electric car you rode in on. Might as well just poison our birds and destroy the creatures you deem expendable or inconvenient. I thought you liked nature and natural beauty, but I guess I am ass backwards wrong. Why do you hate bald and golden eagles, Steve, why?
Sure, you can and will pave paradise and put up a solar field in one location, then feed the power back via the existing power-to-home lines and infrastructure. That is simple. Heck, you can back feed electricity from a tiny home generator down the line and shock the crap out of some poor PG&E worker.
I am talking about transmitting green energy from the source of the power plant across hundreds of miles to the end user…like from Grand Coulee Dam to my humble abode. Turbines and those gawd awful ugly panels cannot to that. Maybe burning peanut shells as our former Governor Jerry the Jesuit Monk once envisioned. Think he loved the idea so much he even slept on peanut shells on the floor, but I suspect he was just rolling around on them by accident as he was making time with Linda Ronstadt and her Stone Ponies….but I digress.
Yes, someday we will all be riding around in little electric go-carts, flying in electric battery operated jets, Walt steering some solar powered Earth Mover, and millions using battery operated vacumn cleaners. No doubt about it. Heck, solar is just a short word for battery charger. Until then, be grateful you do not live in the Midwest and are dependent on green energy during those long bitter winters. Sucks to have to take a chainsaw out on those unforgiving mornings to cut through the ice to water the horses.
Your dream probably someday will work great in our neck of the woods, better in Hawaii and Arizona. Not so good in Greenbay. They be burning wood, a natural renewable resource. Organic as well.
Someday, someday. That we agree on. You do realize solar fields disorient birds ‘ instinctive homing and sense of direction. Of course you know that. That’s why they fly into those big solar fields and get fried. Like instant Global Warming, but hotter. If our fowl of the air make it past those butt ugly hideous snares you support, you have come up with Plan B….which is to turn them into Shredded Tweet with your turbines. How do you live with yourself? I think I am going to vomit just thinking about you getting your jollies off killing our friends in the sky. What, a bird once pooped on your head or something so you make it your life’s mission to kill every birdie you see? You are sicker than your secrets, Steve.

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Scott Obermuller

12 November 2017

“…and at certain times of the day we are actually paying people to take power because we have too much.”
And since the production of that electricity is not all solar or other renewable, it means some one is pissing money down the hole to produce electricity we don’t need.
Yeah – that sounds real economical. That’s called waste. As in commie countries where food rots in the box cars.
Let’s look at the whole picture of needed electricity 24 hrs a day all year.
C’mon, Frisch – why are we propping up something you claim is more economical?
A free market rewards the best deal for everyone. Not just a handful of the wealthy and power-connected. That’s crony capitalism or just plain fascism.
Solar has come a long way – it will grow stronger with a free market.
Electric cars will gain more acceptance once people see them as a free choice, not something rammed down their throats.

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fish

12 November 2017

Bleccch……I just watched CNN/Jake Tapper (wonder how long it is before his name is mentioned along side sexual harassment charges) try to make that useless yutz John Kasich look presidential! Fire burning in the fireplace behind him……just embarrassingly bad!

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Ben Emery

12 November 2017

Democrats are Back Baby!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBUxNeXgC70
Trump is/was dealing with Russian politicians and corporate interests. Clinton’s were and most likely still are dealing with Russian politicians and corporate interests.
Trump, the perfect sociopath ceo type conservatives have been wanting for ever has come.
http://time.com/32647/which-professions-have-the-most-psychopaths-the-fewest/
He is doing exactly what we all expected and those who voted for him along with the DNC/ Clinton have fulfilled conservatives wet dreams.
“At the heart of the tale are several men, leaders of the Canadian mining industry, who have been major donors to the charitable endeavors of former President Bill Clinton and his family. Members of that group built, financed and eventually sold off to the Russians a company that would become known as Uranium One.
Beyond mines in Kazakhstan that are among the most lucrative in the world, the sale gave the Russians control of one-fifth of all uranium production capacity in the United States. Since uranium is considered a strategic asset, with implications for national security, the deal had to be approved by a committee composed of representatives from a number of United States government agencies. Among the agencies that eventually signed off was the State Department, then headed by Mr. Clinton’s wife, Hillary Rodham Clinton.”
“As the Russians gradually assumed control of Uranium One in three separate transactions from 2009 to 2013, Canadian records show, a flow of cash made its way to the Clinton Foundation. Uranium One’s chairman used his family foundation to make four donations totaling $2.35 million. Those contributions were not publicly disclosed by the Clintons, despite an agreement Mrs. Clinton had struck with the Obama White House to publicly identify all donors. Other people with ties to the company made donations as well.
And shortly after the Russians announced their intention to acquire a majority stake in Uranium One, Mr. Clinton received $500,000 for a Moscow speech from a Russian investment bank with links to the Kremlin that was promoting Uranium One stock.
At the time, both Rosatom and the United States government made promises intended to ease concerns about ceding control of the company’s assets to the Russians. Those promises have been repeatedly broken, records show.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/us/cash-flowed-to-clinton-foundation-as-russians-pressed-for-control-of-uranium-company.html

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Gregory

12 November 2017

Lazard’s leveled cost of energy appears to be one big green fudge factor exercise, where every carbon based megawatt is burdened with the cost to society of “climate change”… were it so, electric power in California should be cheaper to retail customers than in Wyoming by now.
The financial globalists at Lazard may have an axe to grind. Perhaps the same axe as Frisch’s.

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Robert Cross

12 November 2017

“I think most people are for “all of the above” energy sources.” What proof do you have of this Todd? Maybe among your climate denier buddies ‘all of the above’ works, but for every nation in the world EXCEPT Trump’s America (not to be confused with the American people in general) that statement is simply not true.
“Don’t Breitbart and HuffPost have equal credibility among their constituents?” Interesting twist of words. Yes, both have credibility among their constituents. BUT…….
Unlike Breitbart which has ZERO credibility outside the alt-right, Huffpost, which has won Peabody awards and Pulitzer Prizes is considered credible everywhere except the alt-right. Breitbart, on the other hand, had received numerous “pants on fire” awards for spreading misinformation and outright lies. Mother Jones describes it as “anti-immigrant, anti-Muslim, ethno-nationalistic provocateurs.” According to Wikipedia, “Internal emails leaked and reported on in October 2017, show how Breitbart’s management, together with writer Milo Yiannopoulos, solicited ideas for stories from, and worked to advance and market ideas of neo-Nazi and white supremacist groups and individuals.” In most circles, Breitbart isn’t even considered ‘news’ but rather a racist propaganda outlet. So while your assessment of credibility among its constituents is correct, it goes no further than that, which then questions the credibility of anyone using Breitbart as a source.

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Steve Frisch

12 November 2017

Posted by: Todd Juvinall | 11 November 2017 at 09:48 PM
“So far the alternatives are not competitive as far as I see.”
And yet I posted the actual pricing of UNSUBSIDIZED elctricity generation and they are competitive. All of the above means that when wind and solar are cheaper, which they either are or are rapidly becoming, we should be replacing fossil fuel based energy.

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Steve Frisch

12 November 2017

Posted by: Bill Tozer | 11 November 2017 at 10:49 PM
“Oh Steve, I never read your links.”
For a guy who does not read links you sure have a lot to comment on. If you want to remain willfully ignorant that’s fine with me.

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Steve Frisch

12 November 2017

Posted by: Scott Obermuller | 12 November 2017 at 06:46 AM
“A free market rewards the best deal for everyone.”
So wht is Trump pledging to subsidize coal to keep an uneconomical power source alive?

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Gregory

12 November 2017

You got that Todd? By Cross’ standards, just reading Breitbart means you’re a Nazi, too.

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Gregory

12 November 2017

“And yet I posted the actual pricing of UNSUBSIDIZED elctricity generation”-Frisch
The “actual pricing”? No Steve, you did not. Lazard also does not apparently burden pv or solar with the cost of storage or the cost of instant-on backup power generation backups….

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Gregory

12 November 2017

“Analysis excludes integration (e.g., grid and conventional generation investment to overcome system intermittency) costs for intermittent technologies” – Lazard

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Todd Juvinall

12 November 2017

RobbieC, don’t read Breitbart so your premise is, as usual, a loe. And even Trump has said he is for all the above so once again either you are ignorant or just a liar. HuffPo is a rag without cred. I once had a meeting with her ex hubby who she swiped wuite a few million from. She is one angry gal. Anyway RobbieC you have to do better than you have here as you seem to be quite the fibber about almost everything.
Regarding Frisch’s link. Sorry, but it is not possible to say those energy producers are cheaper than oil and nat gas right now. My guess is the persons that ut that together left out the cost of the products, the subsidies for them and the cost of transmission. So try again Frisch.
Anyone read the article today in the Bee on Moonbeams trip to Europe along with Bloomberg? Traitors. Anyway Moonbeam was heckled throughout his speech by anti-frackers. What a hoot!

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Todd Juvinall

12 November 2017

Gregory, we on the right seem to be the most ardent anti-nazi people. He and his ilk are all about “antifa” the fascists who claim to anti-fascists.

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