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Sandbox – 12feb17

12 February 2017

[The Oroville dam will be our biggest news for some days/weeks to come. Will anyone take stock of the agencies that are supposed to be in charge of dam maintenance and reservoir management? And how will the Left's resistance to the building of more reservoirs on the Sierra rivers to permit better management of water during dry years, and reduce stress on existing dams during wet years like the one we're having? gjr]

Posted in California, Comment Sandbox, Critical Thinking & Numeracy

132 responses to “Sandbox – 12feb17”

Bill Tozer

13 February 2017

Read em’ and weep.
In a letter addressed to then-Soviet General Secretary Yuri Andropov, dated May 14, 1983, KGB head Viktor Chebrikov explained that Kennedy was eager to “counter the militaristic policies” of Reagan, who defeated Carter as the Republican nominee, and to undermine his prospects for re-election in 1984.
http://dailysignal.com/2016/12/14/ted-kennedy-made-secret-overtures-to-russia-to-prevent-ronald-reagans-re-election/
What about Obama who just won the election but not sworn in as POTUS meeting with all sorts of foreign representatives, some of whom are quite hostile to the United States…behind closed doors! Hmmmmm? I can’t hear you.
It’s a waste of time, but you gotta wonder how far the Alt-Left wants to take this. We all know they cannot not go there. 🙂
Breaking news! Trump just lifted the Russian sanctions, Russia seizes oil field in Kiev, and Putin just sent Melania Trump a necklace from Catherine the Great’s royal jewel collection. It looks absolutely stunning on our immigrant First Lady.

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George Rebane

13 February 2017

Anybody paying attention to the speeches that Mexico’s presidential candidate is giving in the US denigrating President Trump? Mr Peña Nieto gives interfering the affairs of another sovereign nation-state a new meaning as he speaks to receptive Mexican-Americans whose allegiance is definitely still across the border. And, of course, the lamestream and the usual scumbag politicians don’t take any notice.

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Bill Tozer

13 February 2017

Not me. Sorry, Dr. Rebane, but I am reading comic books today. However, I am glad somebody is up on the watchtower. Good job, sir.
Comic books rock!
Oh yes! She is backkkkkkkkk. She was not surprised in the least about losing to Trump. She knew it all along. That’s my gal. Third time is a charm. Women of America need you. Sweet!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/58a19e05e4b0cd37efcfeabb?ref=yfp

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Walt

13 February 2017

Looks like the looting has begun in the vacant towns. I say bring back shooting looters on sight. So far only one arrest.

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Walt

13 February 2017

I need some stock market advice from Boardman. Give me an idea of which one to sink money into. How bout Paul? Gotta get in on the action.
http://marijuanastocks.com/content/list-marijuana-stocks/

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Bill Tozer

13 February 2017

Well, the plot thickens. Lying to a fellow progressive would not disqualify a progressive, but we take these sort of things seriously.
https://patriotpost.us/posts/47427
Meanwhile, Chuckie is crying the alligator tears over some innocent hard working immigrants getting caught up in the focused criminal illegal alien sweep. Hey, they had warrants and been already ordered deported, not to mention child porn and all sorts of criminal conviction stuff. Chuckie Sez 100s of thousands were rounded up! He had lost his ever loving mind. He is really getting those tears down pat though, which the silver lining.
https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.217983685002343.55586.217926015008110/1026290480838322/?type=3&theater

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Walt

13 February 2017

On the sandbox subject, news has it that the State has held up the works all day for any attempt at repairs. “Do we put the rocks here,,, or their?? Lets debate that.”
So all day, they don’t do squat. GOD I hate state engineers. This isn’t the first time I have seen those with shinny shoes help to make things worse.

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Bill Tozer

13 February 2017

Oh Ealt. It got cloudy today and they are still doing the head rtching thang. Don’t be an armchair quarterback. They not have the helicopters ere @ 6:45 am to grab some big knarly boulders and start dumpinghem in the hole because they can’t disturb the salmon runs. Plus, the money thang. Wait, Jerry set up a rainy day fund! Hope nobody raided the Piggy bank. I am afraid to go to town. This would have never happened under Pat Brown.
Yo Loopey, this Kellyanne?
Her (My Gal) support for the ruling isn’t surprising — Clinton said she was for open borders at one point — but the gutter sniping was telling. The activist judges who based their ruling on their liberal politics instead of the Constitution are the same kind she would appoint to the Supreme Court and all other federal courts if she were in the Oval Office.
Thankfully, she won’t get the chance, a fact reinforced by Trump aide Kellyanne Conway. She fired back at Clinton with her version of “3-0,” tweeting “PA, WI, MI,” a reference to three formerly blue states, worth 46 electoral votes, that Trump flipped to his column. Touché!

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Bill Tozer

13 February 2017

Wow, look at all my typos. Blame it on multitasking. Darn that pool boy. Walt, they are still scratching their heads saying “Oh dear, oh dear, what do we do now? Oh dear.”

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Walt

13 February 2017

Bill. The helo pilots were ready to go last night. One came over my place at 6AM.
All they were waiting on was an OK from SAC. You really need to fix that “no TV” problem.
This info came right from on of the pilots.

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Bill Tozer

13 February 2017

Walt, you believe what you see on the boob tube? Come on, you are better than that. 🙂
Well, they delayed taking actions for 3 days because of the salmon. It was not until the weekend that a Rapid Response Emergency vehicle went racing up 99 around 5:32 pm lite up like a Christmas tree to be the first guys sent from Jerry’s Playground in Sac.
Yep, I kept seeing twirly birds (black markings) yesterday all day and a few Saturday. I just figured they were doing the yearly flyovers a bit early. Nah, I thought Trump or Pence or somebody was in town. Boy, when Trump was up in Reno or Hillary/Obama up near Tahoe during the campaign, those twirly birds were flying, looking like they were coming out of Bealle or beyond. Yesterday was on the heavy side for the flying objects. 🙂
Reminds me of when the EPA didn’t tell nobody for a couple days as the Orange Julius foam was floating down the river, lol. Jerry’s kids had a 6 day notice. Oppps.

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Paul Emery

13 February 2017

Mike Flynn just resigned. I called this one right to the minute. This is just the beginning of the new swa,p being drained.
t
Rebane writes:
“Will somebody please start counting PaulE’s repeated predictions of Trump’s imminent downfall.”
George, you were the one sticking by Flynn even when he was halfway out the door.

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Paul Emery

13 February 2017

Can anyone recall a Cabinet member resigning within 3 weeks of an inauguration?

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George Rebane

13 February 2017

PaulE 812pm – Nice try at connecting the dots.

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Paul Emery

13 February 2017

What are you trying to say George? You were the one hanging on to Flynn.
More:
This message, delivered by Sally Q. Yates, acting attorney Sally Yates who was fired by Trump last week.
“The acting attorney general informed the Trump White House late last month that she believed Michael Flynn had misled senior administration officials about the nature of his communications with the Russian ambassador to the United States, and warned that the national security adviser was potentially vulnerable to Russian blackmail, current and former U.S. officials said.
The message, delivered by Sally Q. Yates and a senior career national security official to the White House counsel, was prompted by concerns that Flynn, when asked about his calls and texts with the Russian diplomat, had told Vice President-elect Mike Pence and others that he had not discussed the Obama administration sanctions on Russia for its interference in the 2016 election, the officials said.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/justice-department-warned-white-house-that-flynn-could-be-vulnerable-to-russian-blackmail-officials-say/2017/02/13/fc5dab88-f228-11e6-8d72-263470bf0401_story.html?utm_term=.a2700687c409

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Paul Emery

13 February 2017

From the Washington Post. Just a reminder that Sally Yates was fired last week by Trump. Hmmmmm
BREAKING: Michael Flynn, Trump’s embattled national security adviser, is resigning amid controversy over communication with Russian ambassador.
The acting attorney general informed the Trump White House late last month that she believed Michael Flynn had misled senior administration officials about the nature of his communications with the Russian ambassador to the United States, and warned that the national security adviser was potentially vulnerable to Russian blackmail, current and former U.S. officials said.
The message, delivered by Sally Q. Yates and a senior career national security official to the White House counsel, was prompted by concerns that Flynn, when asked about his calls and texts with the Russian diplomat, had told Vice President-elect Mike Pence and others that he had not discussed the Obama administration sanctions on Russia for its interference in the 2016 election, the officials said. It is unclear what the White House counsel, Donald McGahn, did with the information.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/justice-department-warned-white-house-that-flynn-could-be-vulnerable-to-russian-blackmail-officials-say/2017/02/13/fc5dab88-f228-11e6-8d72-263470bf0401_story.html?utm_term=.a2700687c409

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fish

13 February 2017

“Will somebody please start counting PaulE’s repeated predictions of Trump’s imminent downfall.”
George, you were the one sticking by Flynn even when he was halfway out the door.
…. and this relates to Trumps downfall how?

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Paul Emery

13 February 2017

Just a reminder Sally Yates was fored by Trump last week.
From the Washington Post
Michael Flynn, Trump’s embattled national security adviser, is resigning amid controversy over communication with Russian ambassador.
The acting attorney general informed the Trump White House late last month that she believed Michael Flynn had misled senior administration officials about the nature of his communications with the Russian ambassador to the United States, and warned that the national security adviser was potentially vulnerable to Russian blackmail, current and former U.S. officials said.
The message, delivered by Sally Q. Yates and a senior career national security official to the White House counsel, was prompted by concerns that Flynn, when asked about his calls and texts with the Russian diplomat, had told Vice President-elect Mike Pence and others that he had not discussed the Obama administration sanctions on Russia for its interference in the 2016 election, the officials said. It is unclear what the White House counsel, Donald McGahn, did with the information.

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Paul Emery

13 February 2017

It’s all part of the Russian connection fish The entire US intelligence committee believed Russia interfered with our election by leaking stolen emails through WikiLeaks This is just the beginning of revealing trumps knowledge and involvement

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Bill Tozer

13 February 2017

Paul got one, finally. See, we don’t go hiding with the crickets over here unlike that lout who said to me, “While I appreciate your enuthusism, Bill, Trump will never win. Never.” Think you meant winning the electoral college. Demographics and all that stuff. That jerk never said “I was wrong” without adding but….but…but…but…the Russian Hacks, the Impeachment, the FBI, the recount, the do over!
Trump said “You’re fired”. Too bad. The Flying Flynn held Putin with much suspicious and didn’t trust the man as far as you could spit him. Flynn would have addressed Paul’s concerns about Putin eating naive Trump alive. Oh well. Maybe Trump will find a Rooskie Lubber to replace Flynn.
Ok, Paul, you were right. And notice there are no “but. but, but Bush did it too!”
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ucdZHR75iCM
Breaking News! The Dam.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DXTx_nEThPA

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fish

13 February 2017

Posted by: Paul Emery | 13 February 2017 at 08:46 PM</I
Uh……OK Paul.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RXVE01oOTAM

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Paul Emery

13 February 2017

The real question is who directed Flynn to talk the deal with the Russia that led to his downfall Did you possibly do it on his own Who did he first report to after the phone conversation and when did trump know.

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Bill Tozer

13 February 2017

Aha! When did he know it and does he know that he knows it? The plot thickens. Keep your eye on Trump, Paul. Keep those eye glued on Trump. You are getting warmer. This is bigger than grabbing some tail. Stay on the trail and follow the scent. Smoke that varmit out. Go Paul, go!

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Bill Tozer

13 February 2017

Well, that energized the gang that can’t shoot straightt. This is what to expect for next few days. Nothing new, yawn.
http://www.salon.com/2017/02/13/so-far-the-resistance-hasnt-reached-trump-land-and-that-needs-to-change/?ref=yfp

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Paul Emery

13 February 2017

Bill
How can it be conceivable that Trump didn’t know ? If he didn’t that means he doesn’t have a clue about what people are doing that conceivably work for Him. It’s a lose lose situation for tromp

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Bill Tozer

13 February 2017

Could be Paul. One never knows. Does he know what he knows? Hmmm.

Ok, here is their “reason with them” try. They want to talk with us. Convince us, show us the err of our ways. Get our minds right. More like pleading. Still a long way to go to get to the bargaining stage. They are still in a quasi denial-sunshine no man’s land mode. Can’t hurt to beg.
http://www.theunion.com/opinion/hilary-hodge-is-this-what-trump-voters-had-in-mind/
Well, it is not called Survivor. The show is called The Apprentice. And I don’t even have a TV. Kids nowadays. Favorite part: moralizing and shaming. Yo, how about No! “No” is a complete statement.
“On Feb. 2, the National Prayer Breakfast was kicked off with a bizarre homage to the television show Survivor and then disgraced by a weird request from Donald Trump asking people to pray for Arnold Schwarzenegger’s television ratings. For devout religious people in our community, how can you accept the events at this prayer breakfast as respectful? Is this a message that feels congruent with you congregation’s needs?”

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George Rebane

13 February 2017

1) For the record, no one has answered my question of some posts ago – by what means did the Russians impact or interfere in our election by hacking the emails? Where is the evidence?
2) My “sticking by Flynn” only involved requiring the evidence that he violated Logan with his telecon with Russia. His resignation makes this moot. PaulE’s prediction of Trump’s downfall is another matter that he apparently does not understand. I think he added a couple more predictions of the same in this thread.
3) Why is no one concerned with Mexicans (govt officials and rich guys) pouring money into the US to fight Trump’s policies in our courts? Is this not blatant interference by another country in our affairs? Why the crickets?

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Paul Emery

13 February 2017

Just trying to concentrate on one thing at a time George How Can you can see that Trump didn’t know about Flynn’s conversation with the Russians ? With that in mind didn’t Trump know that Pense was spreading false information when he said that Flynn had no conversations concerning sanctions. ? This is really an ugly mess that will just get worse The real question is what did trump know or what did trump not know And why. Didn’t he

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Walt

13 February 2017

While Paul is pounding away in his one man drum circle, has he forgot to see a difference?
If it was “O” with a dirty player, the person would keep his job, or just get “reassigned”.
With Trump, you get kicked to the curb.

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Don Bessee

13 February 2017

What the heck does that sputum mean @ 1005 PE? The President is not ‘going down’ as you promise. General Flynn fell on his sword to end the rantings from the impotent dems. and keep the Presidents agenda front and center. I don’t care if the Russians brought up the sanctions with the incoming administration. You are ignorant of the realities of the world if you think this does not happen in administration transitions. No crime, just a cause celeb for team lefty who have nothing of merit in the real world. So what’s Tuesdays pearl clutching issue for good ol’ PE?
Can you explain why you can not discuss more than one thing at a time? 😉

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Paul Emery

13 February 2017

Dealing with the here and now Walt. Didn’t anyone tell you Obama is gone? The question is what did trump know and when did he know it It’s going to be hard for him to wiggle out of this one Trump is not very clever or agile Going to be lots of fun

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Paul Emery

13 February 2017

Don do you care that Flynn lied to Pense?

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Bill Tozer

13 February 2017

Flynn lied to Pence and Pence took his word for it and defended him when things got sticky. Flynn left Pence with egg on his face and he is outta here.
Why didn’t Trump know? I dunno. I remember Obama telling his first Sec of State that to keep Sidney Bloomethal the hell away from his administration. Come to find out Sydney and Hillary were sharing intel on slide. In fact, that is how the Romanian guy Lucifer 2.0 or whatever he called himself got into Hillary’s e-mails. Nothing to do with Wikileaks. Got right in through Sydney’s open door to Hillary and State, lol. Obama hated Bloomenthal cause Obama’s team research showed it was Bloomenthal who spread and feed the Truthet story in 2008 when it was Hillary vs Obama.
Yo Paul, did Obama know Hillary and Sidney were sharing Intel about Uganga or some helhole where the gov’t head houncho was teaming up with the rebel leader to make a fortune off selling mineral rights to Big Oil? When did Obama know and if he didn’t, why

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Gregory

13 February 2017

George 1)
I thought I made it clear some time ago that the Russkies did nothing significant to affect our elections, besides possibly do what Woodward and Bernstein did years ago… make public the bad acts by a presidential candidate and their minions. To make the claim that the Russians did a bad thing by revealing (via wikileaks) illegal shit by Clinton, Podesta, the Clinton foundation, … I think that’s a public service and not likely to be Putin’s doing.
2) Flynn is out. He screwed up. When anyone starts being a problem for their boss, that’s what happens. I don’t know what really happened and neither does Paul (but that’s nothing new)
3) So what else is new?

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Don Bessee

13 February 2017

0’s not gone until all his policies are gone PE. Without a transcript you and me do not know what happened. Did the Russians ask and got a platitude in response? Unknown. It may well be an issue of what mattered to Flynn in the conversation as important. You know, just like when we give you the benefit of the doubt and ignore what does not matter.
Either way it is still President Trump and his raging bull cabinet! 😉

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Bill Tozer

13 February 2017

Dr. .Rebane @ 9:54 pm
Sorry again. Share some links about what the Flyin’ Burrito Brothers are saying South of the border and what the marchers are doing on US soil. I can’t find any good stuff. Or, create a new post on the topic….just a suggestion.
I don’t mind this impeachment stuff as long as it stays in the Sandbox. Better than polls.

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Paul Emery

13 February 2017

Obama is gone Bill We elected Trump your great hero and he’s going over as well as a fart in the hot tub Every day new excitement

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Bill Tozer

13 February 2017

I love it when get your hopes up sky high and then watch them come crashing down. I haven’t seen you this much in denial, enthusiasm, and cockiness since Nov 8th, every eve.
Sure, whatever you say Paul. Whatever you say. Oh Paul, say that never word to me again. Please.

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Don Bessee

13 February 2017

PE, ‘we elected Trump’ is the most disingenuous statement ever from you and that’s saying something. You have a Nevada city prism when you look at the world, sad for you good ol’ PE. Since I hear you are the expert on farting in hot tubs I will gladly defer to your wealth of experience on that issue. 😉

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Bill Tozer

13 February 2017

What does Paul know and when will he know that he does not know?

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Bill Tozer

13 February 2017

Paul is right again! Trump has gone mad I tell ya, stark raving mad!
https://www.ytpak.com/watch?v=EV4N2dk0cMk

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Don Bessee

13 February 2017

This could be an explanation for the left wings staggering disconnect; Yusra Khogali, the founder of Black Lives Matter Canada says most ‘white ppl are recessive genetic defects, that is factual.’ 😉

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fish

14 February 2017

Posted by: Don Bessee | 13 February 2017 at 11:32 PM
More from the renowned geneticist.

“Melanin enables black skin to capture light and hold it in its memory mode which reveals that blackness converts light into knowledge. Melanin directly communicates with cosmic energy,”

Laughed at that…….that’s Ben Emery level loopy!

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George Rebane

14 February 2017

Gregory 1037pm – Many times in these pages I have questioned those who maintain that the Russians “influenced our elections” to give some evidence as to with what means they were able to accomplish this and to what effect. I am not puzzled as to whether they did or not, and your assurances that they did not are not the point here. Besides, you cannot prove your negative. But I do want our progressive commenters to go beyond repeating their naked claims and give evidence for their positive. I am sorry that I failed to make this clear enough for you to understand.
BillT 1041pm – News of Mexico’s and Mexicans’ interference in our internal affairs comes mostly from conservative or right-leaning media, as for example this from Fox News –
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/06/22/mexico-files-lawsuit-overturn-arizona-immigration-law.html
And here’s one from Mexican media of 2018 presidential candidate Lopez Obrador kicking off US anti-Trump speaking tour –
http://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/Mexicos-Lopez-Obrador-Kicks-of-US-Tour-for-Immigrant-Rights–20170212-0025.html
And Mr Tozer your request for a dedicated topic on trans-national interference is posted. Good thought to once more focus our discussion.

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fish

14 February 2017

Dems Demand to Know Who Else at White House is National Security Risk…

Funny…..they didn’t care at all when their were far more during the Obama administration.

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BradC

14 February 2017

Re: Mad Dog Mattis – it is just common sense – you don’t adopt a rabid dog from the animal shelter. Odds are it not going to end well.
Now, if Trump is smart, he will dump Kelly Ann, Bannnon, and foaming-at-the-mouth, Steve Miller.
It has only been a few weeks and our ‘Apprentice’ President still has some learnin’ ahead of him.
So, its off to Mar-a-Lago again for a couple rounds of golf, photo ops with the nuclear football for his guests, and kitchen table strategery in front of the paying club diners.

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Todd Juvinall

14 February 2017

Oh BradC, you can only hope.

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Gregory

14 February 2017

“I am sorry that I failed to make this clear enough for you to understand.”
Ouch… I guess that means you’re still sore about losing that last argument. I’d say I was sorry you thought I didn’t know what you were asking but that would be as transparently false as this apology of yours.

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Bill Tozer

14 February 2017

https://www.facebook.com/UncleSamsMisguidedChildren.Net/photos/a.169953786533962.1073741830.169676909894983/633151090214227/?type=3&theater

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George Rebane

14 February 2017

Gregory 917am – I didn’t know we were arguing, so what again am I supposed to be sore about?
Your ‘making things clear’ to me was a tacit statement that something about the Russian hacks was unclear to me. That is what I attempted to clarify in my 726am. And my apology for not making it sufficiently clear is always sincere, why else would I spend these years arguing a worldview based on my specific, and to most people obtuse, ideology and credo. Your cynicism betrays you.
http://rebaneruminations.typepad.com/rebanes_ruminations/2012/05/an-apology-for-all-occasions.html

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