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A Conservetarian Credo (updated 17dec16)

17 March 2014

George Rebane

From time to time readers ask me questions about my ideology concerning this issue or that. I believe I have answered almost all of those questions either in the 2,000+ posts on RR and/or marbled in the 42K+ comments that this forum has garnered. However, since this is a place that attempts to dissect some pretty hairy issues, and we do try to hold each other’s feet to the fire when it comes to being consistent, if not coherent, during our debates, therefore it may be convenient if your host’s socio-political ideology, or structured belief system, or simply credo were to be found in one place.

I have perused my writings and a lengthier personal credo to assemble a first rough cut at what I call a ‘conservetarian credo’. I know of no other commentator who has presented such a structured and explicit compendium of their ideology. You can download the pdf here – https://rebanesruminations.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/a-conservetarian-credo_250921.pdf. As witnessed by its version date, this will be a living document added to and amended as new data becomes available, as I learn more, and as the error of my ways are made apparent to me. I have maintained a written credo for some considerable time now (with more categories than socio-political), and have been very interested to see how it has evolved with the years. I believe it to be a profitable undertaking and recommend it to others.

Also over the years, and specifically during the life of RR, I have made the strong statement that collectivists (especially our American collectivists) of whatever stripe always shun invitations to openly publish a document outlining their comprehensive socio-political beliefs. I base this conclusion on experience and the simple reason that such collectivist tenets will inevitably be drawn from embarrassingly banal ‘motherhood and apple pie’ platitudes, or alternatively that their specificity will prematurely expose things better left unsaid until a time when most collectivist goals are fait accompli. In any event, my invitation to publish the credo of any of our left-leaning readers stands, and more strongly I remain forever intrigued with what a self-proclaimed middle-roader might fill such pages now that 40% of country claims to be so situated.

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73 responses to “A Conservetarian Credo (updated 17dec16)”

Todd Juvinall

21 March 2014

So JoeK, tell us your criteria for civility and where you think we can find it.

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Gregory

21 March 2014

mandersonation, you’ve been getting down and dirty since you first started trying to smear me as a climate brownshirt at the late The Union blogs, back when Pelline was running that show, as has Jeff’s attack poodle from NSJ. Don’t ask for it and then whine when you get it.
It also remains a fair question; how do you compartmentalize your periodic call to jihad against some facet of what you think of as the right wing against your business of tech support? IT services for everyone? Really?
Pelline’s fantasies of persecution are just that. He needs that fantasy for the victim status he wraps himself with; cheaply bought sympathy and absolution from having thrown the first stone.

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Gregory

21 March 2014

“How you folks turned this into a discussion of gun ownership is beyond me”-Koyote
Maybe it was how you started it:
“In a civilized world, a person wouldn’t need to pack a firearm in the first place.”
Some people only act in a civil manner when they expect there would be swift retribution were they to be uncivil, so it is more likely in any civilized world some significant portion of the population will be “packing”.

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Gregory

21 March 2014

” The country of Switzerland does not engage in financial misdeeds, it just passes laws that allows banks to engage in financial misdeeds.”
The Swiss think financial information is as private as that of patient-doctor or client-lawyer communications. Is that so bad? It should take a court order for anyone, including a government bureaucrat, to get at any of those files.

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Walt

21 March 2014

Now to really light a fire under the likes of Joe and Mike. ( A new morning zoo radio pair?)
A few of us “money bags” Conservatives need to pool our money and buy the Empire mine from the state. I know a guy who knows a guy who can get the mineral rights back from Newmont.
A meeting or two with our broke state, even reopening in record time could be bought for a few extra bucks.
Seems selling a state park or two to finance the retiree pensions is the “new answer”.
But when you hear the Calif. Left talk, they say the “state has turned around, and is doing SO much better”.
Really? Then explain why selling state parks to rake in a buck.

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Joe Koyote

21 March 2014

Todd — How about “do unto others” as a starter for civil behavior. We find that in ourselves. Governments and religions do not create nor dictate civility. In fact more often than not they condone and engage in incivility. How many wars have been fought for political and religious reasons? If you have no no soldiers you will have no wars and the theologians, politicians and generals who so readily send other people’s kids off to die will have to go out on the battlefield themselves. Then see how many wars there are. All people have to do is “just say no!”
Gregory- I am not disputing the need for personal protection. Once again, all I am saying is that the need for protection indicates humanity, as a whole, in 2014 is still uncivilized. Nowhere did I say you couldn’t have your guns only that in a civilized world we shouldn’t need them. I don’t understand why that is even debatable other than I am perceived as a “lefty” and therefore everything I say is subject to dispute “just because” “righty” ideology demands it.

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Todd Juvinall

21 March 2014

JoeK, of course “do unto others” is a times old saying which I agree with. My question is where do we find it? You did not answer that part.
Regarding religion and wars/ Yes all religions were guilty and some still are in using their beliefs to gain control. Christianity seems to have let up a couple of centuries ago and Islam now is the culprit. But, what about atheists? Putin seems to be making war on his neighbors and he does not believe in any GOD. Same for Hugo when he was alive. How about the midget in North Korea? Please tell us where we can find your hope for civility in a country on the planet.

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Walt

21 March 2014

Joe has spent too much time with the Unicorns.
Everything must be daisy’s and lollypops in “his” world.
The world is a dangerous place. It has been since it started spinning.
It’s kill or be killed. Just ask the Lions in Africa.
Joe needs to understand ” peace through strength” Threaten me with harm, and suffer the consequences. LIBS need to understand that needs to be backed up by overwhelming, swift action. Jesse Jackson must have actually
cut off “O”‘s boys,, since “O” is ALL talk and NO action.( except run and hide) “O” really showed Putin… Didn’t he??
Maybe Joe can really tell us why the Japanese didn’t invade the U.S.
( according to the captured high command of the imperial army, GUN OWNERSHIP in just about every home was a great deterrent in that decision)
Yet they swept over every poorly armed civilization and turned them into slaves. Do a little reading of history Joe, and not the LIB “revised” editions.

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Gregory

21 March 2014

Koyote, we obviously have incompatible definitions of “civilized”. I think yours requires some species besides homo sapiens as the basis.
I’m no “righty”, but your apparent idealism, that were we only sufficiently civilized people would be nicer than they have shown a capability for in the past, is a peculiarly lefty position. New Progressive Man?

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Walt

21 March 2014

Joe. Sign up for the Mars colony. I don’t think you will need to worry
about that pesky gun ownership thing you take issue with.
A new world where everyone is “equal”. ( except the one calling the shots)
The “new age” commune if you will. Everyone gets an equal share, no matter how little they contribute to the grand scheme.( Like suffer boy who doesn’t work, but buys lobster tail with food stamps…” why work when I can get it for free?”)
So here is your chance for the “no conflict” utopia.
I hope you like the indoors. I hear that “cabin fever” can be a real bich.
Remember not to ” P.O.” the people of Earth. WE will be the ones supplying your every need.
Oh,,, Wait a minute,, mining will need to take place on Mars. Will that be “green mining”? At least permits will not be needed. ( for the moment)
Nope,, the ECO crew that wants to be part of that mission will have none of that.. Mars must stay “pristine”.
Ya,, thinks may be rough up there. How to get what you need without messing up the beauty of a dead planet.

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Gregory

21 March 2014

“That’s the difference: I sign my real name and have made it abundantly clear that slurring my personal affairs, unless I have offered them up for discussion myself, is off limits.” -Michael P. Anderson
That wasn’t a slur of your “personal affairs”, Mike, that was asking how your personal affairs might intrude into your customers personal affairs.
Michael has been defaming me personally for years, I’ve always used my real name, and why he seems to think anything Gregory is fair game while his life is off limits is beyond me. Asking him if he has GOP clients after he announces a search and harass mission against Bush II supporters (thank goodness that isn’t me or I’d be quaking in my boots-not) seems not a slur but a valid and reasonable follow up question. Someone who is in the business of managing the computers of individuals and companies should be able to rationally defend their hostility to Republicans while making a case their customer’s information and privacy is secure no matter his hate for them. It’s also nothing new; he wrote an ugly and threatening screed to the Chronicle columnist Debra Saunders that was eerily similar to the ugly and threatening screed aimed at me that he posted to The Union a few years later. That is who Michael Anderson seems to be; palpably hostile towards people who he disagrees with.
If “That all ya got Greggy? You can do better than that. Come on, dredge up some of the darkest bile in your Bitter Bucket and really have at it” isn’t a sincere invitation to get just as personal, what is?

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fish

21 March 2014

…..as has Jeff’s attack poodle from NSJ.
Attack poodle?

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Michael Anderson

21 March 2014

Greg wrote: “Someone who is in the business of managing the computers of individuals and companies should be able to rationally defend their hostility to Republicans while making a case their customer’s information and privacy is secure no matter his hate for them.”
Have I once divulged anything about what you do for a living, or my perceptions regarding this? No, of course not. That would be bad manners. And your query is not really seeking an answer, is it? It’s a statement posing as a question–you are accusing me and my employees of not being able provide excellent service to Republicans, a subject about which you know absolutely nothing since I’ve never met you nor have you ever come to my place of business. It’s defamation, pure and simple.
As I’ve said before the, I long ago investigated the need to use the civil court to end your relentless Quixote-like tilting at whatever your psychopathy warranted. Once I learned that nobody of importance in Nevada County takes you seriously, or cares what you think, well…let’s just say that this knowledge saved me a lot of money.
Your poisonous soul doesn’t discriminate. Just ask Scott O., who is just the latest victim in the GG-Is-The-Smartest-Boy-In-The-Neighborhood contest. I work hard to have empathy for your unrelenting sadness, Greg. I really do hope someday that happiness and light come your way.
The much larger issue is that George Rebane continues to allow you and others to spew malignant and defamatory hate on this blog. I’m pretty sure that someday the American legal system will put a stop to it. Until then, have at it George. Enjoy your infamy while the sun shines.

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Gregory

21 March 2014

No sadness here, Mike. I’m just good at hitting back and not going overboard. Your manners are atrocious, so stop patting yourself on the back.
“It’s a statement posing as a question–you are accusing me and my employees of not being able provide excellent service to Republicans, a subject about which you know absolutely nothing since I’ve never met you nor have you ever come to my place of business. It’s defamation, pure and simple”
No, it was far from defamation. YOU are the one who was making the case that supporters of Bush II needed to be rooted out and made to pay; asking how far YOU would go to do that was a reasonable question. People with good manners don’t seek the sorts of retribution you write about, Mike. Give it a rest.
Enjoy.

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Michael Anderson

22 March 2014

Goodnight Greggy. Let’s do it all again real soon.

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Russ Steele

22 March 2014

FBI RELEASES LATEST STATISTICS . . . The FBI’s release of preliminary Uniform Crime Statistics for the first half of 2013 demonstrates the continuing 30-year downward trend in violent crime is not over, even as firearms production and sales set records. In fact, the crime reductions correspond with a steady increase in the legal demand for firearms as law-abiding American people have sought to exercise their Second Amendment rights and enjoy recreational shooting. The latest ATF figures demonstrate how manufacturers responded to this demand. Read NSSF President Steve Sanetti’s blog post HERE: http://www.nssfblog.com/fbi-preliminary-2013-numbers-show-violent-crime-continues-to-drop/

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Gregory

22 March 2014

I slept well, looks like I was in Mike’s head as he tried to slumber.
Mike, your continued defamations of me as a sociopath (psychopathy and sociopathy are synonyms) are noted with the observation that it takes a special kind of recklessness to write such things about people who you have never met. Your big problem with me seems to be that I generally only debate topics that I believe my opinion is on solid ground, and I prevail more often than not.
Scott O will probably get over our last exchange, and with luck he won’t try to paint me as a Harry Reid sympathizer again. While you showed some growth on the climate change debate (I don’t see you ranting about climate brownshirts anymore), I’m looking forward to your meltdown over Obamacare’s slide.

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Todd Juvinall

22 March 2014

Russ, with Obama and John Kerry’s destruction of the Monroe Doctrine, it is a good thing that the Second Amendment exists and is used by so many Americans. Since the Rooskies are now flexing their muscles and European countries are puss’s I would expect that we may see a new “The Russians are Coming, the Russians are Coning” movie again. Inviting the Rooskies to Cuba and Venezuela is not in our countries best interest.

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Walt

22 March 2014

The accusations of “micro-aggression” are next Gregory. ( some needle bending Lefty’s demand prosecution of this “new” supposed crime.)
And speaking of crime, Russ points out indisputable facts than MORE GUNS
equates to less crime. ( shoots the LIB stance and fear mongering full of holes.)
Here in Ca. LIBS used excuse after excuse to restrict gun purchases all in the name of “reducing crime”. Waiting periods were supposed to do that. ( guess not) Then RINO Arnold banned the .50 BMG. Yet no crime that I can find was ever committed with one.( except the mere possession of one)
Then came the real attack here on the 2ND. Outlawing OPEN CARRY.
More unarmed people have been getting shot by cops lately, yet no prosecution of those trigger happy cops. ( heck.. they don’t even get fired.)

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Walt

22 March 2014

Lefty’s love to preach ” tolerance”. ( even thou they are the least tolerant of all.)
THIS LIB (ha) “teacher” show the true colors of Leftyism.
http://dailycaller.com/2014/03/22/charges-for-prof-who-claimed-moral-right-to-censor-batter-16-year-old-abortion-foe/
Civil rights charges need to be leveled as well. I hope the kid’s parents don’t settle out of court. It’s time radical Liberalism is put on public display, and dragged through the mud, which it rightly deserves.
“Miller-Young, feminist studies professor who specializes in queer theory and pornography”…
And she is PAID for this garbage? Students can find all they like for free on the Internet.
I guess the classes are “filler” for LIB arts credits.

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Walt

22 March 2014

It test time. Which is the real “2ND” Amendment?
“This amendment states that people have the right to certain weapons, providing that they register them and have not been in prison. The founding fathers included the amendment to prevent the United States from acting like the British who had tried to take weapons away from the colonists.”
“A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.”
I’ll give you a guess as to which one is being “taught” in LIB infested schools.
What’s a little fib to school children?… What’s a little “revisionism” going to hurt, as long as the Progressive agenda gets greased?
” Common core”.. History book style.

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Russ Steele

01 April 2014

The Silence Of The Liberals
As conservative we have had many political and scientific discussions with liberal family members, neighbors and friends. They were very vocal when liberal leaders were doing the things they supported, but they all fell silent once these heroic leaders stated to fail. Now Roger Simon writing at PJ Media, noting this is a national trend.
“They [liberals] are bewildered and embarrassed. Some are even ashamed of themselves, not that they will readily admit it. The man who was their hero has now been unmasked in every direction as the worst president since the Civil War and possibly earlier. Not only is he a cheesy liar, everything he has done, domestic and foreign, has failed, sometimes to extraordinary degrees. . . . Hence the silence.”
We have noted a similar silence among our liberal family, neighbors and friends on the success of the President.

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George Rebane

08 April 2014

In case my sentiments about Islam have somehow been misplaced, apropos to this piece on a conservetarian credo it would do well to welcome back one of my favorite Brits.
http://dotsub.com/media/b5ee5ada-5b37-4b0b-9916-e0896337ec4b/embed/eng

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