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“It’s easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.”  Mark Twain

George Rebane

In ‘The End of the Beginning’ Bill Whittle spells out the overall impact of Obamacare and the pack of Washington’s lying scumbags that continue to foist this atrocity on America.  It can viewed as Exhibit A confirming Mark Twain’s wise remark above.  (H/T to RR reader)

Obama’s gratuitous and self-serving abandonment of the rule of law is now the mainstay of our country’s retreat from being a civil society.  The latest departure from law by executive fiat is this president’s selective lifting of Obamacare’s individual mandate in order to delay torches and pitchforks showing up in town squares across the land.  This arbitrary removal is being justified under the law’s hardship clause designed to help, of all people, those who have become ‘victims of Obamacare’.  More here.

None other than NYC’s departing Mayor Bloomberg is now advising us that the country’s cities are going under fiscally, being dragged there by hundreds of unfunded public service pension plans that were nefariously negotiated by the “labor-electoral complex”.  This sinister relationship between progressive politicians and unions was long identified as being toxic to America.  But national dumbth constantly salved by the liberal lamestream kept everyone fooled (note the wrath of the local lackeys in these pages when such information was presented).  Now we have a progressive mayor spilling the beans in his swansong speeches as he explains away the fourfold increase in NYC’s pension costs over the last decade.  More here and here.

The Bush2 policies of expanding America’s energy production have so lowered the cost of electricity in the land that some manufacturing is actually beginning to return to our shores.  Obama and the socialists have done everything possible to reverse this trend in energy prices, but right now there is enough momentum to attract overseas manufacturers so that even Chinese companies are offshoring to the United States.   A poster child in this is Keer Group Company from Hangzhou, a yarn manufacturer, that is relocating its mill to South Carolina’s traditional textile territory, and creating 500 jobs in the process.  Of course, when the transition is complete Team Obama et al will crow that it is their socialist policies that are bringing about such things.  And don’t be amazed at how many people will actually believe that crap.  More here.

SixCaliforniasHear about California divided into six states?  That is the initiative proposed by investor Tim Draper.  For many people some form of The Great Divide cannot happen soon enough.  More here and H/T to RR reader.

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116 responses to “Ruminations – 22dec2013”

  1. Ryan Mount Avatar

    $200/month? Wow! How do I get that? [rhetorical question, BTW]
    Heck, I’d be willing to take $400/month. $500. That’s my last offer.

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  2. Russ Steele Avatar

    Ben,
    And, your annual deductible is what? $10,000, $12,000 or more.

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  3. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Brother Ben, there are some good things in BarrackObamacare. He rolled out the goodies first, such as preexisting conditions and keeping the X-Boxers on their parent’s insurance until they are kicked out at the tender age of 26.
    What folks don’t realize is that insurance companies do not have to keep the 21-26 year old on Daddy’s policy at a discounted/family rate. My company does, but my company always has been the most generous concerning benefits in the entire industry of which I am employed. Heck, they used to cover 96% of a bennies and when we buy out a company, the new employees cannot believe they can now get this or that medical need taken care of. And no age discrimination. Never was, never has been. Good for old farts like me. So, I am fully aware of that I am on the receiving end of special treatment (pun intended).
    What is happening/will happen is that companies will say “You can keep Jr on your policy, but it will cost you the full amount as if you purchased it on the open market. What some companies are doing is dropping spousal insurance (or, again, they will cover the spouse if you pay thru the nose for the spouse). To add insult to injury, if you have insurance through your employer, you spouse is not eligible for any subsidy through the exchanges.
    Next up: One trillion dollars in new taxes to pay for it all.
    Next up, #2: Insurance Companies will be stuck with all the sick people as the Young Invincibles give BarrackObamacare the middle finger or just don’t tune in or simply tune out. Next up: Bailout for the Health Insurance Providers. The law covers ALL their losses.
    Next up #3: Employers drop employees, employee insurance, and cut hours or a combination of the 3. Thus, the worker takes home less bacon, which leads to suicides, stress, divorces, and the ole’ sour tummy.
    I feel it is safe to say that if people like you and Renee truly believe Health Care access (besides the ER) is truly a right or the responsibility of the common good clause, then there is a better alternative to insuring the 15 million uninsured. There has to be a different approach than turning the bull loose in the China Shop.
    I have gone most ALL my adult life without insurance and only have had it for the last dozen years when I sold out to The System, aka, Da Man and came in out of the cold. Better than being a rebel without a cause, a rebel without a job. Now I am a happy happy shrill for Corporate America and its been berry berry good to me. Bets walking 9 miles in the cold/rain to get to the nearest place to buy cigs with coins taken from the penny jar. Yep, I stopped tilting at windmills when I got sick and tired of being sick and tired.
    To each his own. Have a Merry Christmas and blessing to you and your lovely bride and offspring. The world needs more little Emerys to keep us evildoers honest. 🙂 PS:…yep, I hate smiley faces, but I am trying to be an old dog learning new tricks. The old tricks charge too much. 😉

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  4. Ben Emery Avatar

    Ryan, Bill, Russ,
    Both of our kids are now getting their insurance through their universities insurance programs, which is very affordable less than $1,500 a year. My wife and I are both self employed so our health insurance cost are pure out of pocket. Our deductible is $4,500. We’ll see how it works when we try to use it and I will report back. I hope it works out for the better but I am not making any bets on it.
    Right back to everyone, Have a Merry Christmas or whatever is celebrated during the holiday season. For the first time since the early 90’s our whole family will be together at Christmas. My dads health and age prompted my brother from Cambodia to make two trips home this year, we are very happy and blessed to be together again on such a holiday.

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  5. Ben Emery Avatar

    Ryan, Russ, and Bill,
    Both of our kids are now using the health insurance plans at their universities, which is less than $1,500 a year for each. My wife and I are both self employed so our health insurance/ medical costs come straight out of our pockets. Our annual deductible is $4,500 and the co-pays are reasonable. As I said before until we try and use the our new plan will I have an opinion. I hope for the best but am not making any bets on it.
    Right back everyone, have a Merry Christmas or whatever celebrated during the holiday season. The Emery’s will have our whole family at my parents for Christmas since the early 90’s. My dads health and age prompted my brother to make two trips home this year and to bring his family for Christmas. We are very happy and blessed to be celebrating this holiday season together.

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  6. Ben Emery Avatar

    Bill,
    Exactly, when I saw the picture I knew where it was going. Check out this South Park episode, it is the best full episode they made in a while. First here is a clip you will really enjoy about NSA spying and replacing God in a young boys prayers.
    Clip
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_0F6v1_iy4
    Full Episode
    http://www.southparkstudios.com/full-episodes/s17e01-let-go-let-gov

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  7. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    I am fascinated by the giddiness of the press proclaiming the success of people going on Medicaid by the millions. Do they not understand that is taxpayers money 100% subsidizing their heroes? Also, BenE your kids policies are subsidized at the universities which are also paid for by the taxpayers. The ignorance is palpable.

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  8. Ben Emery Avatar

    Todd,
    And how does your comment fit into the context of the five comments between myself, Ryan, Russ, and Bill? Even when I agree with you and say I haven’t supported ACA because of the way Obama operated outside the parameters of how laws are supposed to be made you have to be asshole. Its the law and we needed to be signed up by January 1, 2014. Although I do not like the law I do not feel this law is unjust so I will choose not to break it. I also will not choose to pay for overpriced insurance that will fight every claim tooth and nail.
    Maybe you should read a letter from a man in April 1963 sitting in jail to understand what I am talking about.
    http://www.africa.upenn.edu/Articles_Gen/Letter_Birmingham.html
    “One may well ask: How can you advocate breaking some laws and obeying others?” The answer lies in the fact that there are two types of laws: just and unjust. I would be the first to advocate obeying just laws. One has not only a legal but a moral responsibility to obey just laws. Conversely, one has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws. I would agree with St. Augustine that “an unjust law is no law at all.”

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  9. Ben Emery Avatar

    See Bill,
    We do have a lot in common.
    Obama administration trying to divert attention from his administration back onto Bush’s. Both are guilty as hell.
    http://rt.com/usa/bush-nsa-spying-clapper-632/
    What we hope Snowden’s release of NSA spying program did is give standing to all the groups who were denied in court because they could not prove what the government was doing due to the programs national security status. I am speaking specifically of Patriot and FISA Acts.

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  10. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    BenE, you were extolling the virtues of the university Insurance and I simply pointed out the rates are subsidized by the taxpayer.
    Regarding ACA. You have state many times that you want single payer, socialized medicine. None of the rest of do. So we both dislike ACA for very different reasons. You want to double down we want to remove it.

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  11. Ben Emery Avatar

    OK? I was implying our insurance costs were low because our kids were covered through their schools insurance programs and since we were talking costs I gave a rough estimate of the cost for their insurance. Insurance hopefully and most likely they will never have to use outside a bad cold or something.
    You’re correct we do oppose it for different reasons but my guess we agree that the creation/ implementation of the law and especially Obama has worked outside the process virtually since day one.
    I do want single payer at the state level. It is not socialized medicine. Socialized medicine is a system in which the government owns the means of providing medicine/ care. This is why the debate on health care in this country is so messed up. Insurance is not medicine, not a single insurance company does a single medical procedure. That is why those CEO’s who make a billion dollars in personal compensation for less than a decade work are the worst of the worst. They were in charge of denying people care and corrupting our government to allow them to do so legally.
    Tri-Care is socialized medicine.
    One group is talking about the entire health care system (myself) and others are talking about health care (yourself). The US has some of the best health care in the world. Also the US has the 37th ranked health care systems in the world, which means the good care isn’t accessible to many of the people in the system.
    Maybe you don’t understand how insurance works? The more people/ individuals who participate in the plan the less of the risk for those participants. If all of the participants are unhealthy or disabled then the cost just skyrockets.

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  12. Gerry Fedor Avatar
    Gerry Fedor

    Todd, Hundreds of thousands in solar panels and all done with tax credits?
    Bhahahaha!
    Todd, maybe it’s time that we do adequately fund mental health in this county as we seem to have some real needs and you consistently prove that point, as either you live in fantasy land or you cannot read?
    Another great idea from our Wise and Just friend – We should not have the government subsidized projects is that what you’re saying my little Einstein? I guess you have all of the equipment to install the bridges, freeway systems, and the water systems that provide you with the ability to flush your toilet, and go to the store to get the 24 pack that you must be drinking everyday!
    It’s utterly amazing that you were able to make it this far in life, with this “new and improved conservative thought process”.

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  13. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Brother Ben, I think most of us who have 2 brains cells left know the difference between health care and health care insurance. Personally, I think you are doing the right and responsible thing to insure yourself and family, no matter what package it comes in. Its how a man shows his love and caring for his family by protecting them. Or should I say it is One of the many ways a man does what he needs to do to safeguard his loved ones.
    We all with 2 brain cells left know how insurance works. Dilution is the solution. Say you insure 10 employees and one of the ten gets cancer or diabetes. That one out of ten will drive the employer sponsored premiums up, up, and away in your beautiful balloon. The insurance company will lose money and it is all based on stats and probabilities and history, just like buying car insurance.
    But, if you work for a company with 65,000 to 110,00 employees, my health issues are absorbed. Even if that large company has a couple hundred employees with expensive health care needs for cancer, lung disease, heart disease, whatever, the insurance company can absorb it no problem.
    Insurance is a business and all businesses exist to stay afloat and make money. Dilution is the solution.
    Just look how BarrackObamacare is flustercucking this whole thing. 85-90% of those who are insured said they are/were happy with their coverage in scores of polling. In over 135 polls since 2010, only 2 (that is friggin TWO)..only 2 polls out of 137 or so say they approve of Barrackobamacare, no matter who polled the citizenry, left , right, indifferent, independent month after month. This Barrackobamacare is as embarrassing as a hard on in a nudist colony. And just as useless.
    I will save my thoughts on single payer for another time. I have yet to watch you latest videos, but I will soon. Pinky promise, no fingers crossed. Just seems to me we are dumbing down health care. Think it was our friend Mr. Fish who said “everybody in, nobody out”. A lot of truth in that short sentence concerning BarrackObamacare. Our Health Care System is bigger than the entire economy of France. We are talking major stuff here and The Government of The United States is the last entity in the Universe to run health care. Heck, they took over the World Famous Mustang Ranch and promptly drove it straight into bankruptcy.
    Maybe state run experiments is feasible. Vermont has already been doing that. And, BTW, you are lucky you live in The Golden Shower State. CA has a unique regulation that caps deductibles, so your deductible is lower than the national average…much lower. I pity the rest of the country and myself when I get taxed another 40% for my so called Cadillac plan. I be paying for that lady who cries out “Where my Obamaphone?”

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  14. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Ironically, First Lady Michele Obama was the commencement speaker at Bowie this Spring.
    http://amsterdamnews.com/news/2013/nov/21/obamacare-forces-hbcu-drop-student-health-insuranc/

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  15. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Gerry Fedor sock puppet. You got into an extended debate about your solar panels and all the subsidies you received so it is you my sock puppet that told us. I am simply exposing you to your hypocrisy.

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  16. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Morning Todd. That sock puppet sure holds grudges, as he did when he was called the FUE. He still thinks he is the smartest person in the room and forgets his writing style never changes and what he writes, nor his SOP. I am glad he dropped that annoying Hehehehe stuff. But some folks simply cannot let it go and they are trapped by their resentments and butt hurt feelings each and every time because “it” sadly lacks the tools to release themselves from any slight, perceived or real. Puppethead is 100% consumed by its little hurt feelings and this self absorption is quite childish. Thus the constant jabbing at you no matter what the topic. Sad, pathetic. But congrats, you own his emotions, mind, and will. You are his master and for Pete’s sake Todd, let the poor lost soul leave. Free him. He is trapped forever by his resentments. Show him the light! Free the Sock Puppet!!
    FUE calling you mentally ill is just one more example of the pot calling the kettle black. So predictable. I know, I know, the Puppethead will say once again that things have never been better, that he has never been happier. Well, Todd, sick unhappy people do sick, unhappy things, Hehehehe.

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  17. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    BillT you atre so right. I own a large area of hid brain. He cannot leave me alone and I just think that is great! His waking hours trying to come to grips with his weakness for me strutting around inside his brain sack is perfect. He ripped off the taxpayers for big money so he could tell us all how smart he is about solar on his house and then has the audacity to call people here hypocrites. But that is the usual tactic of a sock puppet troll.
    HeHeHe.
    P.S. I think I must have dated his ex girlfriend, there can be no other reason for his personal attacks. Too funny.

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  18. Ben Emery Avatar

    Bill,
    Since Todd keeps repeating single payer is socialized medicine he might be down to one brain cell. The single payer could be private insurer Blue Cross, it doesn’t necessarily have to be a government program.
    As I mentioned before we are ranked in the top 3 for health care but 37th for systems. We also pay nearly twice as much as the next system and millions who are left uninsured and millions more under insured.

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  19. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    BenE, my one brain cell is still more than you have dude. You are trying to tell us that “single payer” could be Blue Cross? Amazing. You need to to get educated about health insurance. Y0u should also read up on insurance in general. I dare say I have purchased many many policies of all types over the years and am quite familiar with the industry. I was a entrepreneur and a very educated one regarding insurance since I bought so much of it.
    Tell us BenE, where do you get your information on insurance?

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  20. MikeL Avatar
    MikeL

    Ben,
    Do you think it would be alright with you if I didn’t have health insurance?

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  21. Ben Emery Avatar

    Todd,
    Single Payer means there is a single payer. Its about market shares not state controls.

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  22. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    Who then is the single payer? Bill Gates? If you control the purse strings, you control the whole thing. Of course it’s about state controls.

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  23. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    BenE, your less than single brain cell should read your favorite website, Wiki. Her is the first line under the definition of “single payer” from Wiki.
    “Single-payer health care is a system in which the government, rather than private insurers, pays for all health care costs.”
    Now, will you admit you are wrong? My guess, nope, just like all liberals you cannot admit your are wrong so you will change the subject.

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  24. Ryan Mount Avatar

    Health insurance is NOT health care! Car insurance is not transportation!

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  25. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Lets not get caught up in Webster’s definitions. Like, a professional is someone who does a task for compensation. So, if I change you 8 bucks to broadcast wildflower seeds in your backyard, does that make me a professional gardener? Or if I changed Aunt Bee’s oil once for her and she gives me 5 bucks, does that make me a professional auto mechanic? Nay! Yet Webster’s says Yea!
    We all know what single payer means where the rubber meets the road. Unless, Brother Ben, there is only one payer and that is Blue Cross. Are you promoting my favorite thing to invest in, aka, the monopoly? Hmmm? Riddle me that Batman. I love monopolies. I do not love government monopolies. Monopolies are great if you own their stock. But, government is not a good monopoly. Like, they spy on us and then have the gall to send us the bill! But I digress.
    Single payer is not code speak for government taking over the health care delivery system. Single payer means government taking over the health care delivery system.

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  26. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    RE: our cities going under due to fiscal crises (pension time bombs.
    There is hope. Our cities can learn a trick or two to help alleviate this crisis by taking a cue from our Vice President.
    http://mobile.texags.com/Forums/16/Topics/2292724

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  27. stevenfrisch Avatar
    stevenfrisch

    Here is the full quote from Wikipedia:
    “Single-payer health care is a system in which the government, rather than private insurers, pays for all health care costs.[1] Single-payer systems may contract for healthcare services from private organizations (as is the case in Canada) or may own and employ healthcare resources and personnel (as is the case in the United Kingdom). The term “single-payer” thus only describes the funding mechanism—referring to health care financed by a single public body from a single fund—and does not specify the type of delivery, or for whom doctors work. Although the fund holder is usually the state, some forms of single-payer use a mixed public-private system.”
    So in other words, single payer refers to who pays, not who provides health care. The ‘Government” could contract with private providers, or even private insurers, such as Blue Cross, to manage the system, and there can be supplemental private insurance (as in the Canadian model).
    Medicare is also an example of a single payer system with the fund held by the government but service provided by the private sector.
    Just for the record I am 100% behind a comprehensive single payer government funded health care system similar to the UK or French model….and I don’t give a damn if some people think it is ‘socialism’.

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  28. Gregory Avatar

    Ben, all that old World Health Org ranking means is that the US (at the time) was the 37th in the “most like France” health sweepstakes. The #1 metric for that made in France WHO ranking (the WHO office that created it is in France) was how much like France’s was the payment structure.
    And now for something different… a White Christmas.
    “Bitter cold and snow and ice storms have been the mantra for December across much of the U.S. And in fact, the country has seen a larger snowpack this month than at any point in the past decade.
    According to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA), 53 percent of the lower 48 states had some snow cover on Dec. 15. That topped all readings on that date since such records began in 2003.”
    Meaning, of course, it could be the most snow over for a longer period than just a decade; the reports of a global warming end to snow have been greatly exaggerated. The snow at my house is now all melted; current long term WX forecasts has the next Nevada City snow opportunity in late January.
    I see from a post at the FUE’s sandbox that Ben is a budding Jr. Climate Scientist and has been studying climate simulations in a Natural Disasters class to see just how hot it would get in California’s future. Way to go, Ben!
    I won’t be donating my winter coats to the Salvation Army anytime soon.

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  29. Ben Emery Avatar

    Government run Single Payer System is the general argument but in reality it has to with who actual purchases the care and services from the providers, that is it. It is semantics but the over all point we are talking about insurance not care. Therefore to make the blanket statement that single payer is “socialized medicine” in not true. As I put earlier if Blue Cross controlled 100% of the health insurance industry we would have a single payer private system in place. Private Doctors, Nurses, Equipment, Labs, and Hospitals with a single entity footing the bill.
    Our local, state, and federal government are the one entity we all have in common. Medicare and Social Security have proven themselves to run with a 2- 5% overhead cost with no one employee making more than $500k and most likely $200k. There are no profits to make, no dividends to pay out, no luxurious headquarters to upkeep, and no high paid lobbyists. Private sector insurance system overhead costs range from 12-40% depending on the company.

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  30. Gregory Avatar

    If only the government can buy healthcare, the price paid will be what the government decides it will be and it wouldn’t matter much whether health care providers are government employees or pretending to be private businesses in a free market.

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  31. Ryan Mount Avatar

    SPAM filter keeps getting me.
    Third time’s a charm(hopefully) with hacker(please pardon) techniques:
    Health i nsuranc e is not heath c are, just as ca r insu rance is not transportation.

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  32. Gregory Avatar

    Ben, Medicare is a check writing operation. Doesn’t take much oversight to write checks; same thing with Social Security.
    When the government is there writing checks and not much else, instead of insurance companies taking a profit for assuming risks, fraudulent claims get made by phony providers, unneccessary procedures get made by doctors who make up for low payment schedules with higher volume and a number of other leaks.

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  33. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Single payer is socialized medicine, care and payments and dispensary of the care. My Goodness, the two amin proponents of socialized medicine here SF and BE, well three PE too, are now trying to soft pedal “single payer” definitions. Too funny.

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  34. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Also, perhaps I am a bit rusty on sentence structure but Frisch, isn’t the first paragraph always the point with the following in explanation of that? Then the last paragraph repeats all the rest. So, “single payer” as defined in the first para is the explanation. Capiche?

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  35. Ryan Mount Avatar

    I afraid you’re battling the ocean waves of inevitability as poor Irish Cuhullin did.
    Single Payer is coming whether you like it or not. As a practical matter, perhaps those not in favor of it should be taking a more pro-active position and plan for it. That’s really not an opinion, that seems to be the reality.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l33Y-3Q-7HE&feature=player_detailpage#t=200
    “People should know when their conquered.”

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  36. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    Ryan, excellent. I love that movie and those words are so true. The liberals like the dynamic trio here want us to roll over and except the fate they choose for us. Ain’t gonna happen. This is America, if they want single payer, they should move to Russia. Oops, that’s right, the old USSR got smart and went capitalist. Too funy.

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  37. stevenfrisch Avatar
    stevenfrisch

    Only if one is smart enough to understand what the first sentence actually means Todd, which you clearly are not. The explanation is there for boobs like you who need all the fluff. Ben was entirely correct, single payer only addresses who pays, not who provides the health care. It is your INTERPRETATION that the governments writing the check makes the insurance providers and private health care providers wards of the state.
    By the way, to Greg’s point, that Medicare is prone to be rife with fraud, numerous studies have shown there is actually more fraud and abuse in the private health insurance and health provider sectors than there is in Medicare.
    With that said, I don’t care w whit wether they are wards of the state or not, I am 100% behind single payer.

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  38. stevenfrisch Avatar
    stevenfrisch

    Ah, another victim of I-pad fumble fingers…think I’ll go make some eggnog!

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  39. Ben Emery Avatar

    Greg,
    Are you saying the World Heath Organization is not a good source on measuring/ comparing health care systems? Where do you suggest we go for such a comparison?
    Everyone,
    We like to throw statistics around and talk about symptoms of the problems but we rarely delve into causation. Define what a health care system is and then systematically measure. Here is a very basic number rating system without going into specifics. When the ratings are over we can get into the specifics of the categories. Each category could be broken into multiple sub categories so this could be a long term discussion if people want to take it serious and stop throwing insults around. I am more than game for such a discussion.
    What is Health Care System? What are yours?
    Here are my big five when we are talking about health care systems.
    Ratings 1 low to 5 high.
    -Quality 4
    -Cost 1
    -Accessibility 2-3
    -Dental 1
    -Mental Health 2

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  40. Gregory Avatar

    Ben, I’m happy to help. Yes, the WHO is political and the #1 metric for the WHO healthcare rankings was how close the payment structure was to that of France, not any actual health care outcomes. Not surprisingly, France was #1.
    One might ponder the fate of that past Royal celebrity, Princess Di, who was (iirc) kept at the accident site until stabilized rather than rushed to a trauma ER as stabilization was attempted en route as would be the case in the USA. Why? That’s the one size fits all rule in France. Cheaper overall.
    If you need someone else to tell you how to rank healthcare systems you are at their mercy. I’ll be happy to help… France isn’t #1.

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  41. Ben Emery Avatar

    Greg,
    “If you need someone else to tell you how to rank healthcare systems you are at their mercy. I’ll be happy to help… France isn’t #1.”
    How did you come to that conclusion? Experience? Research? Or just your gut instinct?
    What ever studies I go to whether it be private or public the US rankings among developed nations for overall health care systems is at the bottom. Most of those ranking use parts of your dreaded WHO reports but also many other factors and studies.
    Here is a private group assessment.
    The Commonwealth Fund
    http://www.commonwealthfund.org/News/News-Releases/2010/Jun/US-Ranks-Last-Among-Seven-Countries.aspx
    Here is a really good Q&A with TR Reid about the differences between health care systems around the world. I think you might be surprised what he found out.
    Health Systems Abroad Offer Lessons for U.S. Reform Plan
    http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/health/july-dec09/health_08-28.html

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  42. stevenfrisch Avatar
    stevenfrisch

    I think the ultimate sign of anti-intellectualism is the propensity to discount sources one does not agree with…..

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  43. Gregory Avatar

    That “last among seven countries” report was subtitled “Affordable Care Act Holds Promise for U.S. Performance; Focus on Information Technology and Primary Care Vital To Achieving High Performance”
    Funny; what a hoot. Yes, it promised a lot, including If You Like Your Insurance/Doctor, You Can Keep Your Insurance/Doctor, Period. End of sentence.

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  44. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    Posted by: stevenfrisch | 24 December 2013 at 12:18 PM
    You are so dependable Frisch to denigrate a conversation into your childish name calling. Too funny. And you call me a boob!
    I guess Obama made the same mistake I did then eh? I seem to recall he was being candid in a fundraiser in San Fran which got recorded if I am recalling correctly. The clinger talk. He discussed his “single payer” road and so like him I thought it was socialized medicine. Silly me. Your fair haired boy agrees with me. Too funny.

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  45. Gregory Avatar

    “I think the ultimate sign of anti-intellectualism is the propensity to discount sources one does not agree with…..”
    Great indirect name calling, Frisch, even if the finger is pointing 180 degrees from the biggest offender.
    Confirmation bias is a near-universal human condition, and much of the scientific method is designed to account for it. Falsification is a key aspect of science’s way to minimize the related problems, since one experiment that shows a favored theory wrong is worth a million that show it is correct.
    The greatest anti-intellectual stream in current events is the global warming debacle in which the alarmist theories have already been falsified but are the Undead in politics, fueled by the capture of government science funding by the very technical elite warned of by Eisenhower in his farewell address.
    In the case of the WHO rankings, I actually downloaded the full report to read it and found the easter egg of the #1 metric being how it is paid for by reading it. Most news reports followed the misleading WHO press release which claimed “The U.S. health system spends a higher portion of its gross domestic product than any other country but ranks 37 out of 191 countries according to its performance, the report finds” even though by the report itself, performance wasn’t given the highest weight, with Socialized medicine proponents pushing their thumb down on the scale.
    However, the Frischs and Emerys of the world love how it strokes their own confirmation bias.

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    Bill Tozer

    Sidestepping this thread for a moment to comment on Mayor Bloomberg’s farewell address concerning the fiscal crisis facing the Country’s Cities:
    If only Mayor Bloomberg would have looked to our own Vice President for advice, he would have seen a solution to our cities financial woe (unfunded liabilities).
    http://mobile.texags.com/Forums/16/Topics/2292724

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