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George Rebane

This Sunday, 11 September 2011, Nevada City hosts Constitution Day with a big parade and a day-long celebration of Americana in its streets, parks, and shops.  This has been a community tradition since 1967, drawing together local organizations, residents, and visitors who come from far and wide to witness a ‘home town classic’ celebrating our unique nationhood.  The day will have additional significance since it also marks the tenth anniversary of the attack on America by coordinated teams of Muslim terrorists.  (see Union article)

However, on the same day there is scheduled an alternative venue in half-hour away Penn Valley for those folks who would rather gather in a more Americana-free celebration called ‘MannaFest’ that proclaims ‘Community Unity NOW’.  It is advertized “to change Fear into Love & Compassion” with opening prayer and “ceremonies performed by: Maidu Indian Tribe Sierra Center of the Spiritual Living”.

This is the cynical progressive version of community unity that matches the sermons from the other side of their mouths decrying their role in fostering the Great Divide (search RR).

(The discerning reader will note another example of how spirituality and the transcendence of Man is selectively accepted as long as it is laundered of Christian tinges.  At other times the secular humanist makes sport of belief systems that reach for something beyond oblivion to inform and comfort our existence.  It is indeed the brave new world of yesteryear to which they want us to return – ‘This time we’ll do it right’.  Where will they build the new walls to keep us all in?)

[10sep2011 update]  Today’s Union in an article by Paul August reveals that the MannaFest ads for community unity were just a come-on for something much more political and serious.  What the gathering will really be is the “9/11 Worldwide Peace Festival” sponsored by the Peace Center of Nevada County.

To me this is a most cynical turn of events.  Not that we can’t continue having leftwing celebrations for peace; but scheduling such on 11 September 2011, and naming the event after the most dastardly and deadly surprise attack on the United States by a culture that is in a self-declared war on the west – an attack that left the streets of Islam’s cities filled with millions of Muslims screaming with joy, and deliriously celebrating what their fanatical suicidal brethren had accomplished with four hijacked airliners.  That all seems to me to be more than over the top and of a piece with the proposal to build the carefully named Cordoba Islamic Community Center and Mosque at Ground Zero.

One wonders the response in 1951 to the Japanese wanting to erect the Tora-Tora-Tora Shinto Temple and Community Center on Ford Island opposite the Arizona Memorial, and the attendance at local ‘December 7th Peace Festivals’.

It looks like this Penn Valley event was always planned for an audience of more than just ‘aging hippies’ as some have advised.  We are a changed country indeed.

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176 responses to “Community Unity – Liberal Version (updated 10sep2011)”

  1. Douglas Keachie Avatar
    Douglas Keachie

    So “Constitution Day” is owned by the Christians?
    This would seem to fly in the face of:
    The phrase “separation of church and state” (sometimes “wall of separation between church and state”), attributed to Thomas Jefferson and others, and since quoted by the Supreme Court of the United States, expresses an understanding of the intent and function of the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States. The First Amendment reads “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof ….”, while Article VI specifies that “no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.” The modern concept of a wholly secular government is sometimes credited to the writings of English philosopher John Locke, but the phrase “separation of church and state” in this context is generally traced to an 1 January 1802 letter by Thomas Jefferson, addressed to the Danbury, Connecticut, Baptist Association, and published in a Massachusetts newspaper. Echoing the language of the founder of the first Baptist church in America, Roger Williams—who had written in 1644 of “[A] hedge or wall of separation between the garden of the church and the wilderness of the world”— Jefferson wrote, “I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should ‘make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,’ thus building a wall of separation between Church & State”.[1]
    Jefferson’s metaphor of a wall of separation has been cited repeatedly by the U.S. Supreme Court. In its 1879 Reynolds v. United States decision, the court allowed that Jefferson’s comments “may be accepted almost as an authoritative declaration of the scope and effect of the [First] Amendment.” In the 1947 Everson v. Board of Education decision, Justice Hugo Black wrote, “In the words of Thomas Jefferson, the clause against establishment of religion by law was intended to erect a wall of separation between church and state.” [2] However, the Court has not always interpreted the constitutional principle as meaning absolute separation of government from all things religious.[3][4][5][6]

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  2. Mike Thornton Avatar

    The RR Crew is part of the Christian American Taliban!
    They ARE the divisive force in this country and they revel in their false sense of superiority and intolerance.
    If it weren’t so mean spirited and dangerous, it would simply be incredibly sad!

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  3. George Rebane Avatar

    DougK and MikeT – you are indeed priceless exemplars and successful demonstrations of how the contemporary liberal mind reasons. Keep on trucking!

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  4. Mike Thornton Avatar

    Likewise George, you and TJ are perfect examples of what knee jerk regressives look like.
    Climb down off the high horse, before you get bucked off.

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  5. George Rebane Avatar

    MikeT – “… bucked off.”?? Please say more.

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  6. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Yeah
    It’s pretty revealing about how paranoid some factions are when a bunch of new age hippies circle dancing in Penn Valley cause such concern . I thought diversity of thought, religion and lifestyle that was what this country was all about? So many things to worry about. Islam, hippies, socialists, unions…..

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  7. Mike Thornton Avatar

    It’s the same as putting yourself up on a pedestal, George.
    It’s hard to stay up there and the fall really hurts, when it happens.

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  8. George Rebane Avatar

    To our progressive readers – please don’t confuse ‘observation’ with ‘worry’, they are semantically orthogonal.
    This seems to be another example of the many progressive responses herein that follow the paradigm –
    1. Ignore the Merits of the Message;
    2. Posit (fabricate if necessary) the Messenger’s Motivation;
    3. Attack the Messenger’s Motivation as the real issue, and thereby
    4. Divert the discussion to the Messenger’s Motivation, and, hopefully Morals.
    http://rebaneruminations.typepad.com/rebanes_ruminations/2010/09/the-liberal-mind-messing-with-the-messenger.html

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  9. Ryan Mount Avatar

    You guys need to get a room. Anyhow…
    Wait. George, did you say Penn Valley for the “Community Unity NOW” event? Penn Valley? I want to make sure that wasn’t a typo. Forgive me as I confuse easily.
    Begin hell freezing over.

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  10. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    George
    I agree. Your motivation is the head scratching question to me. The message seems forced and empty so I have to wonder why you would waste the time to write it. I know the people putting this on. They are really nice folks who do incredible things in the community.
    “cynical progressive version of community unity”
    Perhaps you should spend a little time in other circles to gather some direct experiences before you blast away writing about people you know nothing about.

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  11. Steve Enos Avatar
    Steve Enos

    So George takes the time and effort to rant about MannaFest? Such an open mind he has. Why all the hate?
    Why the heck should one care if folks get togther to “change Fear into Love & Compassion” with opening prayer and ceremonies performed by Maidu Indian Tribe Sierra Center of the Spiritual Living?
    It should be real clear to folks by now what George and some others here are really about. Get them “ragheads” and bash and insult those folks getting together that have an interest to “change Fear into Love & Compassion”.
    Under George’s plan we also need to shut down the churches too, maybe burn bibles as those church folks gather there based on the basic desire for love and compassion to all mankind too.
    Paul’s post above covers it very well… “It’s pretty revealing about how paranoid some factions are when a bunch of new age hippies circle dancing in Penn Valley cause such concern . I thought diversity of thought, religion and lifestyle that was what this country was all about? So many things to worry about. Islam, hippies, socialists, unions”.

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  12. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE re 1208pm, you will rejoice that perusing these pages reveals that I regularly attend gatherings of progressives, quite often as an invited guest. I do know most of their activists, and they all seem to know me. Our discourse is civil, often entertaining, and reliably identifies our divergent world views. There is no “hate” between us even though we hold markedly different visions for the future of our country.
    (BTW, I’m surprised that you make that charge – “… about people you know nothing about.” – since we have talked of our experiences with them so many times before.)

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  13. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    George
    This is not a group of progressives. They are New Age Hippies, for want of a better description, who have a spiritual view of the world that does not fit political constraints. You need to know more about who you are talking about before you brand them as cynical progressives. Bad form on your part. Talking to me about “them” does not qualify as a personal experience and, by all means, don’t use me as a source of what you should experience yourself before making assumptions.
    Sorry to be so harsh. It would be like me making generalizations about the Tea Party without ever having sought out my own experiences. What little I have had has caused me to alter what might have been a harsher judgment than I offer and has actually nurtured common ground on some issues as a result.

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  14. Douglas Keachie Avatar
    Douglas Keachie

    So where do I go to shoot (with a camera, silly..)? Decisions, decisions, I’ve done Constitution Day Parade and the civil war stuff in the past, so I will most likely give the new kid a try, as I missed doing Ridgestock this year. Could it be a concern for the pocket books of the old family Nevada County firms is at stake here? Are we all supposed to abandon the new vendors in Penn valley and rush back to save the local economy that gives us CABPRO?
    “even though we hold markedly different visions for the future of our country.”
    But both visions are positive, at least in the eyes of the beholders.

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  15. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE – you misread “… since we have talked of our experiences with them so many times before.” You are not my knowledge source about these folks, only a fellow conferee about them.
    The broad cohort of “hippies” as you label them have no more of a structured belief system than the rank and file evangelicals sitting in church on Sunday. But they both know what they believe that can be conveniently summarized in, say, 17 slogans, aphorisms, or maxims. However, there is no mistake on how each of these cohorts will vote.
    My point here is that the hippies are reliable leftwing voters who will have their world views of America-free global love and unity reinforced and reinvigorated by today’s MannaFests, especially those scheduled contemporaneously with more traditional Americana oriented occasions (and this moreover since 9/11 is involved). The left will, of course, argue otherwise.
    But sadly the dullards will not understand any of these observations and continue to claim that to bring this up means that the messenger is against holding this and other MannaFests. I will say without fear of contradicition, that if anyone attempts to shut or shout down MannaFest, I and ALL conservative RR readers will be there in an instant to stand shoulder to shoulder with the hippies.

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  16. Mike Thornton Avatar

    [Deleted for being unadulterated off-topic crap.]

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  17. Steve Enos Avatar
    Steve Enos

    [Deleted for being unadulterated off-topic crap.]

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  18. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    But George, what direct experiences have you had with these folks? I spent over two hours hanging out at the TP booth at the fair for example.
    By voting leftwing I assume you mean Democratic. That’s a label I think
    is no longer accurate. The Republicrats are fruits on the same tree as far as I’m concerned just a slightly different flavor. To call the Dems Leftys is not accurate. I suppose to the left of Repubs may be clear but their traveling the same road so what does it matter.

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  19. Douglas Keachie Avatar
    Douglas Keachie

    George, if your goal was not to increase attendance at the parade, what was it?
    The way you have written it is sound very much like going to Mannafest is bordering on treason when the life of the country is a stake.
    “This is the cynical progressive version of community unity that matches the sermons from the other side of their mouths decrying their role in fostering the Great Divide (search RR).”
    I’m not even sure what this means, even after researching your commentaries on the Great Divide, which happen to closely match my references to Kurt Vonnegut’s Player Piano, which postulated the Great Divide, clear back in 1947. I think we are together on that statement of our current global/national economic reality.

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  20. Steve Enos Avatar
    Steve Enos

    George made the following post about those posters here that do not share his views on this topic:
    George posted… “But sadly the dullards will not understand any of these observations…”
    So George clearly states his position that we that do not agree are “dullards” and we just don’t “understand”.
    Webster’s Revised Unabridged Dictionary… “dullard”:
    (n.) A stupid person; a dunce.

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  21. RL Crabb Avatar

    Manna, schmanna…I hope they have a good time. I plan on having a good time at the parade on Sunday. Constitution Day is NC’s best parade, in my opinion. Hope to see you there.

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  22. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Yeah Steve. That’s what bothers me about this place. I stand guilty of this as well from time to time so I stand free to be corrected. It’s easy to call someone stupid of an idiot just because they disagree with you on a topic. What’s the point of even having a blog, who’s nature is to stimulate opposing and supporting views, if what you do is call someone a dum dum (kindergarten version of dullard) if they disagree. It’s a pretty arrogant and lofty position to maintain for sure. And yes, questioning the motive for a position is indeed fair game in any discussion.
    George, do you even want opposing views on your blog? I’ll gladly go away if that’s the case. Otherwise, a little respect for the other side please..

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  23. Mike Thornton Avatar

    Once again, George and the Crew get to demean anyone they want too, in anyway they like, but can they take it when it comes back at them?
    Nope
    Talk about thin skinned!
    Maybe you should start thinking about the “off topic crap” that you throw at people every freaking day, George.
    Goose=Gander

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  24. Mike Thornton Avatar

    I plan on going to church, playing some music and watching me some football on Sunday.
    I’ve got some killer Fantasy teams!
    BTW I heard Emmit Smith on the Alan Colmes show the other night.
    Guess what?
    He’s right with Warren Buffet on taxes for the rich.
    He said that while we wasn’t thrilled to have paid $400,000 out of his 1st Million, he realized how “blessed” he was and could afford to help others to have a chance.

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  25. George Rebane Avatar

    Gentlemen, the comment streams of RR are overflowing with opposing views, so I don’t want any crap about my not wanting opposing views.
    But I do maintain that you are either a person of perfidious intent or a dullard if you cannot follow the logical streams of conversation and attempt to fill this blog with the tripe that passes for dialogue on the overwhelming fraction of blogs out there. I give the benefit of the doubt when I identify these people as dullards, maybe I am overly kind and should come back at those commenters in kind. However, that is not my intent for hosting RR.
    Disagreeing with MY ideas is one thing, but fashioning ideas that I have never had, claiming that they are mine, and then attacking me on them is also crap, pure and simple. If you cannot tell the difference between these modes of communication then please desist.

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  26. Mike Thornton Avatar

    So let me ask you a straight forward question, George.
    When TJ does that (which he does multiple times a day) is it “crap”?
    A simple, straightforward, yes or no answer is appreciated.
    Thank you.

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  27. George Rebane Avatar

    DougK 137pm – No, my goal was simply to continue to highlight what many millions of us take as a constant drumbeat over the last decades to diminish and remove America from our lives. And a country free is defenseless against this kind of assault. It only has grass roots (family, immediate community) culture to maintain such nationalistic values.
    The ability to maintain that culture has, for the most part, been destroyed, and replaced by the state which first enforced an America-neutral stance, and is now demonstrably going into America-absent enforcement. All of this is apparently what the new majority of Americans want.
    I am only a little voice in the wilderness who observes and points out the changing season while being personally assailed for that at every turn. That is not a surprise, and is something I was warned about and prepared for.
    Nevertheless, I take great comfort in that the ideas and values I hold dear stand impervious to and are side-stepped by most of my ideological opponents, especially those who do not understand them. The only hope of overcoming such ideas and values is to silence their expression. It is a well-traveled road, only the progressive left calls for such silence.

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  28. D. King Avatar
    D. King

    Community Unity – Liberal Version
    Some background for those of you who don’t seem to get the larger picture.
    Get comfortable, it’s a long presentation!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38O2SIkkszs
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIsXkDpS6hM&feature=related
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dSBruWDXzI&feature=related
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Igq6Q4qGAkw&feature=related

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  29. Mike Thornton Avatar

    Another example of classic right wing rhetoric:
    George writes”
    “I am only a little voice in the wilderness who observes and points out the changing season while being personally assailed for that at every turn.”
    (1) Notice how the perpetrator becomes the victim.
    (2) The perpetrator is a member of an oppressed minority, standing up to the vast conspiracy designed to silence the “truth”, while in fact it is the perpetrator that silences and censors, attacking and attempting to demean those that don’t agree with his version of reality.
    This is really classic!
    Check out Sara Diamond’s book on the history of right wing populism and you’ll see this pattern and tactic played out repeatedly.

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  30. George Rebane Avatar

    MikeT – what have I perpetrated? It is the left that continually tells me and mine that we ARE the minority voice in this country – has that changed? Are you disagreeing with what I said, what parts? It is only a “tactic” if you are indeed bent on silencing me. And for its being a “classic” (enduring with time), so be it; I did not claim primacy but stand in a longer line somewhere toward the back.
    But I am heartened that you bother to give RR of your time; it must fulfill something of value to you. Thank you.

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  31. Kathy Jones Avatar
    Kathy Jones

    What I find interesting about the name of this PV Fest is the name.
    Manna: Food that was found on the ground daily by the Israelites while wondering in the desert for 40 years. God told the people to collect double on Friday, because none would be found on the Sabbath (Saturday). On other days of the week the manna could not be kept for the next day, but spoiled. Yet on Friday is was preserved for the next day. Exodus 16:23-24
    Interesting how this name. at least, Honors God of the Old Testament Bible.

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  32. Douglas Keachie Avatar
    Douglas Keachie

    BTW, look at what the evil commies are doing with solar power in the latest issue of AgAlert, which we get in the print edition, but here’s the link to the online story:
    http://www.agalert.com/story/?id=2481

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  33. Mike Thornton Avatar

    Why would I want to silence you, George?
    I’m just pointing out the strategies and tactics you use and the fact that they are right out of the basic right wing playbook. I don’t know if you’re read Dr. Diamonds book or not?
    You really should. If you’re actually open to learning something, you’d find that the same patterns are repeated by right wing populists over and over.
    RR is really fun for me. It’s exasperating at times, but generally fun.
    I mean, poking holes in the pretty fragile propositions that get made here is entertaining.

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  34. George Rebane Avatar

    DougK – not sure what this has to do with MannaFest or commies. The use of solar in agriculture is good as long as it is the farmer who invests only his money and not mine. Apparently this one needs some of mine (and yours) to make the whole thing pencil out.

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  35. George Rebane Avatar

    MikeT – No I have not read Dr Diamond’s book, but apparently I’m still doing something right.
    And we’re always glad to get holes poked in our “pretty fragile propositions”, and I’m looking forward to the hole that you will poke in the current piece on MannaFest. But remember now, you can’t make up my propositions.

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  36. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    I get what you wrote George and the usual suspects don’t seem to have got it. These lefties denigrate Christians and the Christian religion on a daily basis here and most everywhere else. They have no use for it and usually complain that religion as we see it is crap. They then become indignant if you write anything they deem derogatory on a “pagan” fest. Their comments here show exactly why their ilk is becoming an extinct species on the idea logical front.
    Thornton has a burr in his saddle because he seems to be complaining in every post that the conservative posters are full of crap and a bunch of (fill in the ad hominem blank). Well, I would suggest someone that has escaped the Nazi’s and the Commies and gained freedom here and said thanks America by becoming a member of the military to help save us from the commies is far more important to listen to then he. When the left gets back their medicine they sure are a bunch of babies.

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  37. D. King Avatar
    D. King

    I mean, poking holes in the pretty fragile propositions that get made here is entertaining
    (2) The perpetrator is a member of an oppressed minority, standing up to the vast conspiracy designed to silence the “truth”, while in fact it is the perpetrator that silences and censors, attacking and attempting to demean those that don’t agree with his version of reality.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uI_SqqJIU14
    Yes, yes Mike, I’m beginning to see!

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  38. Mike Thornton Avatar

    No Todd, I pretty much, just think you’re full of crap
    And on top of that, I think you’re a mean, nasty and really small person.

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  39. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Aw MikeyT, what a baby.

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  40. Brad Croul Avatar
    Brad Croul

    I checked out the blurb in The Union and the festivities in Penn Valley run from 10am-10pm.
    http://www.theunion.com/article/20110909/PROSPECTOR/110909744/1055&parentprofile=1055
    There is plenty of time to do both the parade and Manna Fest (hopefully it won’t rain on the parade). Manna Fest does not appear to exclude Christians from participating.
    Try it, you might like it.

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  41. D. King Avatar
    D. King

    I have no problem with this; it’s just divisive and disrespectful. So what else is new from these guys?
    Everyone for “Community Unity NOW” stand in this line. LOL!

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  42. Steve Enos Avatar
    Steve Enos

    So Mana Fest is “divisive and disrespectful” D. King? I sure hope that’s a joke, but sadly I bet it isn’t.

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  43. D. King Avatar
    D. King

    You are well aware of what’s going on this weekend Steve. A lot of our small businesses count on people buying local, to say nothing of the taxes for the towns.
    So yes, “divisive and disrespectful”.

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  44. stevenfrisch Avatar
    stevenfrisch

    How could MannaFest harm local business? I mean really, holding an event that transcends normal business hours thus reducing consumerism, how disrespectful!
    And what could possibly be wrong with celebrating are promoting “Community Unity Now!” on 911? Really, unity is a UN Agenda 21 communist plot!
    And naturally, the US is a Christian nation, because we must embrace Jesus or be un-American.
    And why would George continue to promote the “Great Divide”; its simple really, he wants it to happen, because he believes that only through the failure of America and it government can his philosophy prevail. As opposed to those of us who work every day to try to male America work, improve, transcend divisive politics, seek rational solutions, extend the dream to as many people as possible, as a reward of hard work and service.
    Ya’ll don’t get to own “patriot”, if you act like traitors.

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  45. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    I recall those Rainboe People coming into the county and when they left the place was trashed. BLM and the Forest Service were really PO’d. So was the Sheriff. Those darn hippies.

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  46. Brad Croul Avatar
    Brad Croul

    D.K, The very nature of the article seemed divisive and disrespectful. I had not heard of Manna Fest until I read George’s article here but I am (maybe not so) surprised that Manna Fest would be turned into a tool with which to drive a stake in an attempt to widen the Divide of dissatisfaction and discontent, insinuating that Manna Fest promoters and attendees are un-Christian or un-American.
    Manna Fest sounded to me like just your basic alternative weekend venue but George applied the types of labels, “liberal”, “secular humanist”, “Great Dividers”, “Americana Free” etc., designed to subtlety, or overtly convey disrespect, distrust, fear, or belittle, compartmentalize, marginalize, or trivialize the event.
    This blog seems to closely follow Saul Alinsky methods (the same, gasp!, methods Obama is accused of, or derided for using) while blaming others, like Manna Fest, of fostering the Great Divide because some people might not want to see a reenactment of Civil War battles in the park and would rather listen to live music instead. They can’t use the Pioneer Park bandshell now, can they?
    Below is an Alinsky quote (I added the words in parenthesis):
    “The organizer’s (blogmaster’s) first job is to create the issues or problems,’ and ‘organizations must be based on many issues.’ The organizer(blogmaster) ‘must first rub raw the resentments of the people of the community; fan the latent hostilities of many of the people to the point of overt expression. He must search out controversy and issues (Islamophobia, CARB, Manna Fest, Agenda 21, Socialism), rather than avoid them, for unless there is controversy people are not concerned enough to act. . . . An organizer must stir up dissatisfaction and discontent.”
    If it is Ok for GeorgeR to use Alinsky methodology, is it also Ok for Obama to use the same techniques (see RR Alinsky Administration)? Is the plan here that we all drone the same platitudes from the same religious text in America for our society to remain a monoculture that is free from religious diversity?
    Forget Islamophobia. What we need here is a healthy theophobia.

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  47. stevenfrisch Avatar
    stevenfrisch

    Dear, dear Todd, I believe a 6 year old would tell you, it is spelled ‘rainbow’.

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  48. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    dear dear SteveF. I do it for a reason.

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  49. George Rebane Avatar

    Excellent BradC! Yes, Alinsky did cover a lot of rules that are common to ideology promoters of all hues. And I am nothing if not a promoter of my consevetarian ideology.
    The part of Saul Alinsky’s nostrums that I consider reprehensible (evil?) are those that advise outright lying and teach ad hominem attacks on the messenger in order to turn or divert discussion of an issue.
    No less, I commend your critique.

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