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George Rebane

Moving While Democrats and local outfits like the cynically named Sierra Business Council hype AB32, and oppose the passage of Proposition 23 to suspend at least a part of that legislative atrocity, long time California businesses with real wealth creating jobs are bailing out.  Nevada County will be taking the remaining hits to its economy if Proposition 23 fails.  Meanwhile our Board of Supervisors and its halo of lockstep organizations are playing that old Cold War game from the 1950s called 'Duck and Cover'.  Our Assemblyman Dan Logue has compiled this partial list which is copied below – read 'em and weep.

Abraxis Health, a unit of Los Angeles-based Abraxis BioScience Inc., opened a new plant that will create 200 jobs in 2010 – in Phoenix. This follows the company's Phoenix expansions that occurred in 2007 and 2008.

Alza Corp. in 2007 eliminated about 600 jobs in drug R&D while also exiting its Mountain View, Calif., HQ. At the time the company said that its 1,200-person Vacaville facility will continue to operate. But the Vacaville Reporter on Oct. 23, 2009 revealed that the plant is being offered for sale by J&J, its parent company. It's unclear if more layoffs are in the facility's future.

American AVK, a producer of fire hydrants and other water-related products, moved from Fresno to Minden, Nevada.

American Racing moved its auto-wheel production to Mexico, ending most of its 47-year operation in California.

Apple Computer has expanded in other states, most recently with a $1 billion facility planned for North Carolina.

Audix Corporation relocated from Redwood City, Calif., and to accommodate growth moved to a 78,000-square-foot facility in Wilson, Oregon.

Apria Healthcare Group of Lake Forest is shifting jobs from California to Overland Park, Kansas, a K.C. suburb.


Assurant Inc. cut 325 jobs in Orange County and consolidated positions in Georgia, Ohio and South Carolina.

Barefoot Motors, a small "green" manufacturer, moved from Sonoma and will grow in Ashland, Oregon.

Bazz Houston Co. located in Garden Grove, has slowly been building a workforce of about 35 people in Tijuana. In early 2010 the company said it expects to move more jobs to Mexico, citing cost and regulatory difficulties in Southern California.

Beckman Coulter, a biomedical test equipment manufacturer headquartered in Brea, relocated part of its Palo Alto facilities to Indianapolis, Indiana, two years ago. In early 2010, it's making a multimillion-dollar investment to expand and create up to 100 new jobs in Indiana. The company said the area offers a "favorable business environment and lower total cost of operations, plus a local work force with strong skills in both engineering and manufacturing."

Bild Industries Inc., which specializes in business news, directories and market reports, moved to Post Falls, Idaho, from Van Nuys, a part of the San Fernando Valley in Los Angeles.

Bill Miller Engineering, Ltd., suffering under the "hostile business climate" in California and Los Angeles County, moved from Harbor City to Carson City, Nevada.

BMC Select has conducted an unusual relocation. The company, which had shifted its headquarters from Idaho to San Francisco, relocated its H.Q. back to Boise in January 2010. The building materials distributor said that regaining its footing in Boise retained access to high-quality employees while reducing wage and occupancy costs.

BPI Labs, which formulates, manufactures, and fills personal care products for the health and beauty industry, relocated from Sacramento to Evanston, Wyoming, a move the company's owner called "very successful . . . . It felt good and I've never looked back."

Buck Knives after 62 years in San Diego moved to Post Falls, Idaho.

CalPortland Cement has announced in late 2009 closure of its Riverside County plant because of new environmental regulations from a state law (AB 32). The company's CEO wrote, "A cement plant cannot be picked up and moved, but the next new plant probably won't be built in California meaning more good, high paying manufacturing jobs will be lost to Nevada or China or somewhere."

California Casualty Group left San Mateo for Colorado, cutting operating costs to remain competitive.

CalStar Products Inc., headquartered in Newark, Calif., in the San Francisco Bay Area, in January 2010 was awarded $2.44 million in federal clean energy tax credits. The company said in the future it expects to build additional plants in the Mississippi Valley and the East Coast. In late 2009 CalStar opened a plant in Caledonia, Wisconsin.

Checks To-Go moved to Utah where workers' comp rates helped make the troubled company healthier.

Chivaroli & Associates, a healthcare-related insurance service based in Westlake Village, Calif., moved a regional office to Spokane, Washington.

CoreSite, A Carlyle Company, is delaying a Santa Clara project while it expands its data center in Reston, Virginia.

Creators Syndicate may flee L.A. because it operates like a "banana republic."

Creel Printing left Costa Mesa for Las Vegas and So Cal loses 60 more jobs.

Dassault Falcon looked at building an aircraft services facility in Riverside County but instead located in Reno.

DaVita Inc. moved its HQ from Los Angeles to Denver; expects to see millions of dollars in savings over time.

Denny's Corp., the large restaurant chain, once had its headquarters in La Mirada, later in Irvine, Calif, and then moved to Spartanburg, South Carolina. In fairness, I note the move occurred in the early 1990s. However it's noteworthy because the company was founded in California and its growth over time created HQ jobs in another state.

Digital Domain, the Academy-Award-winning visual effects studio based in Venice, Calif., placed new studios in Vancouver, British Columbia, and Port St. Lucie, Florida, which combined will have about 500 employees. The facilities will allow the company to reduce costs while continuing to deliver cutting-edge work.

Ditech, headquartered in Costa Mesa, announced in January 2010 a 269-job cut and is moving most activities to the GMAC Financial Services (parent company) headquarters in Fort Washington, Pennsylvania. In 2007, Ditech relocated some workers from Costa Mesa to Phoenix. A once robust Costa Mesa facility employing hundreds will be down to 20 or 30 workers.

DuPont Fabros Technology suspended a $270 million Santa Clara data center project in favor of one in Ashburn, Virginia.

eBay, based in San Jose, will create 450 jobs in Draper, Utah, in a new $334 million operations, customer support and data center.

EDMO Distributors, Inc., a world-wide wholesaler of aircraft avionics, test equipment, and pilot supplies, moved its HQ from Valencia, Calif., to Spokane Valley, Wash. Since, it has built a larger headquarters in the city's Mirabeau Point community complex.

Edwards Lifesciences based in Irvine will expand with 1,000 employees – not in California but in Draper, Utah.

EMRISE Corp. completed its HQ move from Rancho Cucamonga to Eatontown, NJ, in May 2009. The company said the move "will result in additional annualized cost savings of approximately $1 million and facilitate improvements in operating efficiency. . . . The cost savings associated with relocating our corporate headquarters will start immediately. . . The aggregate total of these expense reductions will increase our profitability and cash flow in this and succeeding years and, over time, substantially improve our ability to further reduce our long term debt."

Facebook, based in Palo Alto, will expand in a major way in Oregon by locating a custom data center in Prineville. It will be a 147,000-square-foot facility costing $180 million and will employ 200 workers during construction and another 35 full-time once operating in 2011.

FallLine Corporation left Huntington Beach, where they were being "hammered" with multiple governmental regulatory fees, for Reno, Nevada.

Fidelity National Financial left Santa Barbara for Florida, spurred by California's "oppressive" business environment.

First American Corp., based in Santa Ana, will open a call center in March 2010 not in California but in Phoenix, where it expects to employ about 400 people within two years.

Fluor Corp. moved its global headquarters from Aliso Viejo to Irving, Texas, with about 100 employees asked to relocate while the company planned to hire the same number there. In 2006, when Fluor moved into its new headquarters building, a company statement said: "The official dedication had a decidedly Texas theme" as a horseshoe was raised on the building, a time-honored Texas tradition.

Foxconn Electronics, a large contract electronics maker, moved some of its Fullerton operations to Dallas.

Fuel System Solutions moved its headquarters from Santa Ana to New York.

Gregg Industries, owned by Neenah Enterprises Inc. in Wisconsin, closed a 300-employee foundry in El Monte foundry under pressure from the South Coast Air Quality Management District to make $5 million in upgrades. The company didn't want to make the investment in the difficult economic climate so it decided instead to leave the state.

Helix Wind Inc. may move its research and development, engineering, and testing departments from San Diego to "more supportive" Oregon.

Hewlett-Packard, HQ'd in Palo Alto, at various times has moved jobs to Tennessee and Texas.

Hilton Hotels Corp. in 2009 is moving from its longtime corporate H.Q. in Beverly Hills to a new office in Tysons Corner, Virginia.

Hino Motor Manufacturing USA moved from California to Williamstown, West Virginia, in 2007, where it now employs about 100 workers. The company has growth plans to "Raise Hino's presence from medium-/heavy /heavy-duty trucks to all ranges of trucks" and an aggressive program to improve fuel economy and emissions. The company builds trucks under its own brand and also manufactures Toyota-branded vehicles.

Intel Corporation, headquartered in Santa Clara, has chosen to expand operations in neighboring states.

Intuit of Mountain View created a customer support office (110 people) not in California but in Colorado because of lower operating costs.Intuit placed a data center near Quincy, Washington.Intuit also located Innovative Merchant Solutions LLC in Las Vegas as part of a $1.8 million investment in Nevada.

JCPenney closed its Sacramento call center and moved the work to five out-of-state centers.

Kimmie Candy Co., a manufacturer that was started in 1999, moved from Sacramento to Nevada in 2005. "I really don't have a lot of regrets about moving up to Reno," said owner Joe Dutra.

Klaussner Home Furnishings in closing its La Mirada manufacturing plant will maintain its NC and Iowa operations.

Knight Protective Industries moved to Oregon "where 4-day work weeks were permitted by the state" and wanted by the employees.

Kulicke & Soffa Industries Inc. announced in February 2010 that it is closing its Irvine plant, laying off 56 people, and will shift the work to Malaysia and Singapore. The facility had been owned by Orthodyne Electronics Corp., which Kulicke & Soffa bought in 2008.

LCF Enterprises, which makes specialized high-end amplifiers used by researchers, medical professionals and others, moved from Camarillo, Calif., to Post Falls, Idaho.

Lennox Hearth Products Inc. in Orange, Calif., will lay off 71 workers and by March 2010 will transfer the jobs to Nashville and Union City, Tennessee, "to reduce costs and increase operating efficiencies."

Lyn-Tron, Inc., a supplier of electronic hardware, moved from Los Angeles to Spokane, Wash. Their website has a rather California(ish) statement: "Our commitment is to maintain a manufacturing environment that is progressive and safe, where our employees are able to achieve their personal objectives, thereby adding to their quality of life and to the community in which they live."

Mariah Power, a "green" manufacturer of small wind turbines, moved from California to Nevada and in 2009 teamed up with another company to begin production in Manistee, Michigan.

Maxwell America, a boating equipment maker, in February 2010 closed its Santa Ana offices and moved them to Hanover, Md. One reason given was the indirect impact of California environmental regulations. A company official said over the years many California boat builders relocated to the Midwest and East where they don't face the same restrictions.

MiaSole, based in the Silicon Valley, was reported in January 2010 to be planning a 500,000-square-foot plant, which could be one of the largest solar factories in the United States. The location is not near its in Santa Clara headquarters but in the Atlanta, Georgia, area where its workforce eventually could exceed 1,000. The news came one week after MiaSole received $101.8 million in federal tax credits.

MotorVac Technologies announced in February 2010 that it's leaving Santa Ana for Ontario, Canada. MotorVac's CEO said he "really fought hard to keep MotorVac here, but unfortunately the numbers didn't support it." The move cuts costs because it's new owner, UView, has its own plant with excess capacity in Canada. And the general cost of doing business in California is much more expensive."

Nissan North America moved its Los Angeles headquarters to Nashville, Tenn.

Northrop Grumman by 2011 will relocate its Los Angeles H.Q. to the Washington, DC metro area. It's the last major aerospace company to leave Southern California, the birthplace of the aerospace industry.

One2Believe, a specialty religious-toy maker, left California for East Aurora, New York.

Patmont Motor Werks, Inc. (GoPed manufacturer), after being hit by California regulators for hundreds of thousands of dollars in small fines even though his company has a stellar safety record, moved to Nevada.

Paragon Relocation Resources moved from Rancho Santa Margarita to Irving, Texas.

Pixel Magic, headquartered in Toluca Lake, Calif., (Los Angeles metro area), is locating a studio in Lafayette, Louisiana, where it will create 40 new jobs between 2010 and 2013. The company, which provides digital effects for motion pictures and television, said the Louisiana people they were in contact with have an immediate understanding of technology and data handling.

Plastic Model Engineering, Inc., a custom plastic injection molder and mold manufacturer, moved from Sylmar, Calif. to the "Inland Northwest," notably Post Falls, Idaho.

Precor will stop manufacturing fitness machines in California and re-open in North Carolina.

Premier Inc., the largest healthcare alliance in the nation, will move its HQ from San Diego to Charlotte, involving an investment of $17.7 million and adding 300 jobs in North Carolina. The announcement was made Oct. 14, 2009.

Pro Cal of South Gate, in Los Angeles County, a unit of Myers Industries, expanded its Sparks, Nev., operations to become the company's primary West Coast production and distribution facility. Pro Cal is a plastics manufacturer of nursery containers and a big recycler.

Race Track Chaplaincy of America started 2010 by shifting its headquarters from Los Angeles to Lexington, Kentucky. The non-profit group said it had wanted to relocate from the Hollywood Park Race Track for several reasons, one of which is the significant cost of doing business on the West Coast.

Red Truck Fire & Safety Company left Fresno for Minden, Nevada in 2007 because of California's myriad fees and regulations that meant "death by thousand cuts."

SAIC will move its headquarters east, from San Diego to McLean, Virginia, which the Washington Post called "Another Coup for Area." The announcement was made Sept. 24, 2009; it is unclear how many employees will move east in 2009 and 2010.

Scale Computing, a data-storage developer and manufacturer, is leaving Silicon Valley for Indiana.

Schott Solar Inc. will close its sales and customer service office in Roseville and will relocate the office to Albuquerque, NM.

SimpleTech transferred its manufacturing work from Santa Ana to Asia more than a year ago.

Smiley Industries, an aerospace manufacturer, moved to Phoenix, where productivity improved.

Solaicx, based in the Silicon Valley, said in early 2010 that it will expand its manufacturing plant in Portland, Oregon. Solaicx received $18.2 million in federal tax credits as part of Washington's efforts to advance green energy.

SolarWorld, a maker of solar technology founded in Camarillo, consolidated manufacturing in Oregon after that state offered property tax abatement and business energy tax credits. The company will employ about 1,000 in Oregon by 2011.

Special Devices Inc. brought 250 jobs to Mesa, Arizona, from Moorpark, Calif.

StarKist headquarters is leaving San Francisco for Pittsburgh, Pa.

Stasis Engineering moved from Sonoma County to West Virginia, a "friendlier business climate."

Stata Corp., which specializes in data analysis and statistical software, moved from Santa Monica, California to College Station, Texas.

Tapmatic, a metalworking firm whose owners were "fed up with the onerous business environment," moved from Orange County, California to Post Falls in northern Idaho.

Teledesic moved to Washington state in anticipation of better capital gains.

Telmar Network Technology Inc. moved from Irvine to Plano, Texas, consolidating some 150 workers there.

Terremark postponed a Santa Clara project earlier this year to invest $50 million in a Culpeper, Va. project.

Terumo Cardiovascular Systems is moving R&D from OC to Ann Arbor, Michigan, involving 65 jobs and $3.5 million in investments.

Toyota will stop making cars in Fremont, will idle 4,700 workers, and move work to Canada and San Antonio, Texas.

True Games Interactive Inc. will its H.Q. from Irvine to Austin, Texas, where it expects to have about 60 workers by the middle of 2010.

TTM Technologies will leave L.A. & Hayward and move to other states and China to achieve big cost savings.

Twentieth Century Props of L.A. has gone out of business as film-making has moved to lower-cost states.

Understand.com moved from the San Francisco Bay Area to Reno, a loss for California in that the company is a leader in web-based patient education content and shows strong growth. The company was named 2007 Innovator of the Year by a Northern publication and the company's founder and received a media and Reno-Tahoe Young Professionals Network Under 40 award and was selected as a 20/20 Business Visionary by Nevada Business Magazine.

US Airways is realigning operations and California is no longer considered part of its "core." The airline is closing its John Wayne Airport maintenance station and in early 2010 will redistribute the mechanics across its system.

US Press shifted work from Los Angeles and San Diego to Portland, "where union rules were almost rational."

USAA Insurance closed its 625-person Sacramento campus in favor of other states.

Yahoo opened a data center in Quincy, Washington, a community that now hopes to land high-tech manufacturing.

The list will grow as Sacramento considers more measures that will increase corporate taxes, increase workers' comp costs, increase regulatory reporting requirements (along with higher fines for minor infractions), increase gasoline and diesel-fuel taxes, increase water rates, increase electric-power rates, increase square-footage rental/lease rates and increase assorted fees that will cause services to become more expensive.

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42 responses to “Read ’em and weep”

  1. Martin Avatar
    Martin

    A beautiful example of how nearby states are enticing California businesses can be found at Idaho’s Department of Commerce’s Just Make The Shift campaign: http://justmaketheshift.com/?gclid=CNr5-OaZ-qMCFSFciAodiEJgIw#/home

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  2. papertiger Avatar
    papertiger

    It’s the book of exidus.
    I have a bad feeling about this. Like you only scratched the surface.

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  3. Russ Steele Avatar

    Scary list, does not include the companies that are expanding else where, creating jobs in Washington, Oregon, Utah, Arizona, Idaho and Nevada, rather than in California. More details later.

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  4. Barry Pruett Avatar

    That list makes me sad. Talk about killing the Golden Goose

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  5. Barry Pruett Avatar

    “Mariah Power, a ‘green’ manufacturer of small wind turbines, moved from California to Nevada and in 2009 teamed up with another company to begin production in Manistee, Michigan.”
    What about those AB32 jobs that SBC is promising to all the liberal lemmings?

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  6. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    But the one’s left here will be unemployed and enjoyimg great weather.

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  7. Bob Hobert Avatar
    Bob Hobert

    I worry where California home values will be in another 5 years and believe we may not be (down) there yet. Our local leaders need to speak out NOW on AB32/23 and other California issues that are driving productive people and businesses away. These bills affect Nevada County, dear supervisors, it’s your duty to speak out on them.

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  8. Charlie Wilson Avatar
    Charlie Wilson

    Supervisor Spencer appears to be the only one on the BOS with the brains and testicular fortitude to deal with this issue. It’s time to go to the hardware store to buy some brass balls and give them to Nate, Hank, Ted & Ed and if they still don’t get behind Proposition 23 after that then we need to buy each a dress, change their names to Nancy, Henrietta, Teresa and Ernestine and put them all on a pirate ship. No guts or balls in those four.

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  9. Dixon Cruickshank Avatar
    Dixon Cruickshank

    Gentlemen I would like to point what if companies and residents could actually find buyers for thier RE – the problem for them is nobody wants to come in, so no way out either. At least the kids left won’t have asthema

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  10. D. King Avatar
    D. King

    AB-32 is nothing!
    We need a good multiplier to really
    trash the whole California economy.
    Where can we find it???
    I know, Proposition 25, that’s the ticket!

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  11. George Rebane Avatar
    George Rebane

    Fully agreed DKing! Letting those rock apes in Sacramento pass a budget with a simple majority would guarantee that we will be a federalized state in no time. I also predict that this will then become a constitutional issue as there are no specific guidelines in the current Constitution to spell out how the federal government funds and governs failed states. It will be whole new world.

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  12. Barry Pruett Avatar

    Dare I ask how the state will run without all of these jobs. You would think that the liberals in the assembly/senate have no common sence at all.

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  13. George Rebane Avatar
    George Rebane

    Michael, since it’s not possible to get the data from these guys without paying $250 for it and $250 more for the one they published in 2008 to see how good they are, what is the point of your pasting the link?

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  14. Michael Anderson Avatar
    Michael Anderson

    George, all this doom and gloom was bringing me down. I was just looking for some good California business news. I wasn’t intimating that I wanted you to pony up!
    (-;
    My business revenue is up 30% comparing the first half of 2009 with the same time period in 2010. And I just had the best August I’ve had in 5 years. A little bit of that is the economy leveling off (not necessarily growing), but a lot of it has to do with us developing new revenue channels. I wouldn’t describe the California business climate being optimal, but it would have to get a whole worse to drive me to another state or country.
    I know it’s not much, but here’s some other good news about business growth in California: http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20100909006487/en

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  15. George Rebane Avatar
    George Rebane

    Michael – the relatively small number of companies that are cherry picked in your businesswire link are primarily defense suppliers. The west coast has a high concentration of federal bases and laboratories which need a constant feed into their logistics trains. Of course such companies located in the proximity of where their hardware is needed will have an advantage and thrive – they have no reasong to move since their locked in markets are in arms reach.
    The ccsce link presents perverse arguments about state revenues having to grow with state income. They don’t seem to know that there is a recession going on during which taxable incomes are rearranged to have losses reduce tax burdens.
    Nevertheless, this is powerful stuff for the casual observer – be happy, don’t worry.

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  16. Mikey McD Avatar

    Charlie Wilson, the supervisors (glorified word for politicians) have nothing to gain politically by discussing Prop 23. The rural county organization (which Nevada County is a voting member) voted to endorse Prop 23 OVERWHELMINGLY and that says enough.

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  17. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Most everyone I talk to about business are not optimistic at all. Obamacare is the major factor for employers and the Bush tac cuts is the other. If someone is doing better it has to be a haul business. The stake in the heart of the state will be a defeat of Prop 23. The other bullet to the noggin of the California taxpayer will be the victory of Prop 25. I would suggest the BOS take a stand on both since they in fact do have a major impact on Nevada County. I believe the 100,000 citizens of our county would expet nothing less.

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  18. Michael Anderson Avatar
    Michael Anderson

    Todd,
    I agree that Obamacare is a mess. The solution was single payer, just like we have a single set of telephone poles running down our streets. The present insurance-based system is akin to having 20 separate sets of utility poles running every which way. Very inefficient in cost and delivery.
    If the Bush tax cuts are allowed to sunset, will Warren Buffet move to Austria and close down Berkshire Hathaway? I doubt it.
    I think you should try this strategy: hope that Props 19 and 25 pass, and Prop 23 fails. Then, all hell will break loose, California will go bankrupt, and we can start over with a more John Galt-ian economic model.
    M.

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  19. Russ Steele Avatar

    George,
    The California Republican Caucus has a web site here that tracks weekly job loses in California Here is the latest for The Red Line for Week of August 30, 2010
    CA-based DirecTV creates jobs in Iowa (Job Loss: 40+)
    The DirecTV Headquarters in El Segundo just arranged with a call-center company to create 40 sales positions to work with DirecTV’s top-tier customer base in Marshalltown, Iowa. Another unnamed, large financial company will hire 100 call-center employees to provide 24-hour service for incoming customer calls. The contractor, Thomas L. Cardella & Associates, was expected to begin hiring on July 7, 2010. “All positions will receive guaranteed pay increases every six months, paid training and a comprehensive benefits package.” Overall, 140 positions will be created in Marshalltown.
    eEye Digital Security moves to Phoenix from California (Job Loss: 65)
    California company eEye Digital Security recently moved its headquarters to Phoenix, Arizona, relocating with them 10 employees and then hiring an additional 15 in Phoenix, with plans to hire at least 50 more by 2011. The new Phoenix location will be the “hub for marketing, administration, and sales,” with, according to CEO Kevin Hickey, “the goal [being] to create significant value in the company.”
    Pixel2Canvas moves from California to Nevada (Job Loss:14+)
    Pixel2Canvas, a photography, design and printing company moved from Lake Forest, CA, to Las Vegas in July. Curtis Benton, P2C’s owner, said, “For too long we have been the victim of California’s over-exuberant taxation policies. We are a small company of about 15 employees and we [will save] close to $14,000 in workman’s comp insurance alone [by moving to Nevada]. Our employees’ paychecks are going further with lower rents, lower gas prices, and no state income tax.”

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  20. Michael Anderson Avatar
    Michael Anderson

    Well, if I lived next to Irvine I’d probably want to move somewhere!, anywhere!, as well.
    Living in Nevada County as I do, I’d move to the moon before I moved to Las Vegas.
    And DirectTV and eEye were incubated in the Great Golden State Incubator. I have no problem with sharing the wealth with the Lesser States.
    This is partisan cherry picking, Russ.

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  21. Russ Steele Avatar

    Michael,
    OK, show me the rest of the pie. Show me the list of business moving into California. Or, start up that are staying in California. Or, the two lists combined.

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  22. Michael Anderson Avatar
    Michael Anderson

    That’s a great challenge Russ, and a fair question.
    God help me if I had to depend on the Democrats for those data. They’re too busy relaxing in the big green easy chair!: http://www.kintera.org/site/c.jrLZK2PyHmF/b.947937/k.CC3A/Home.htm
    I’ll keep poking around to get the info., so far all I have is anecdotal. I have many friends in Silicon Valley who tell me that “things could be worse,” which says a lot these days.
    I had lunch today with my friend who just moved to Nevada City from San Francisco, he is a senior software developer for a SF startup that sells smart meters to New Zealand and Australia. They use WiMax instead of 802.11 mesh, a much better technology.
    I would love to see a graph showing me the economic growth of the top ten US states over the past 20 years, comparing annual revenue. California would overshadow the others by a significant margin, with the downward blip of the past 3-4 years being shared by the others as well.
    Nate Silver, where are you?

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  23. George Rebane Avatar
    George Rebane

    Friend and fellow blogmeister Russ Steele emailed me some transcripts from Pelline’s blog that finally gives the FUE and his readers something to talk about. FUE’s subject is this post, however no one is interested in jobs leaving California. What this nest of self-righteous progressives fasten on is some fairly heavy breathing against my calling the corrupt and irresponsible legislators in Sacramento ‘rock apes’, and commenter Charlie Wilson’s rather graphic exhortation of the BoS to stand up and deliver their verdict on Prop23.
    For a leftwing bunch that’s supposed to condone all kinds of licentious behavior, they sure do a lot tsk-tsk work as they take what to them must be the moral high ground. In any case, even if the topic matter is beyond them, RR and its readers are happy to again provide them with some worthwhile content – beats hell out of reading about the next wine tasting room scooplet.

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  24. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    The number of unemployed in California is huge. This nitpicking by the left is humorous and sad (a liberal term). We have three million folks looking for jobs , how many businesses bit the dust with those numbers? A lot. It isn’t just those leaving it is those giving up as well. Too much regulation, too many air/water/seatbelt/etc/ police here for freedom to exist.

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  25. Michael Anderson Avatar
    Michael Anderson

    George – chocolate! BTW, you can call me a rock ape any old time (-:
    Todd – The number of unemployed in the USA is huge…California tracks the national wreckage index. On another note, what the heck is wrong with seat belts?!??

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  26. George Rebane Avatar
    George Rebane

    Michael – not until you successfully run for legislature and behave like one with our liberties and wallets 😉

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  27. papertiger Avatar
    papertiger

    Mike says:
    I think you should try this strategy: hope that Props 19 and 25 pass, and Prop 23 fails. Then, all hell will break loose, California will go bankrupt, and we can start over with a more John Galt-ian economic model.
    Is that the goal then? The aim of all these progressive policies – to destroy the state?
    I remember Charlie Manson had the same goal – if less sophisticated methods.
    The California legislature might well fulfill Manson’s dream, and thanks to Jerry Brown (indirectly) Charlie might live to see it.

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  28. Michael Anderson Avatar
    Michael Anderson

    “Is that the goal then? The aim of all these progressive policies – to destroy the state?”
    No feline of tissue, I was channeling your team in the bunker, faced with the possible decisions of these 3 props.
    Lemonade out of lemons, as it were.
    And to round out my post, here’s a little Dancin’ Charlie to start your Friday out just right: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CmvZE4i75o&feature=fvsr

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  29. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    papertiger, you have the right conclusion from MA’s post. He has the old Vietnam War military strategy apparently. We must destroy the village to save it. He also appears to favor a “single payer” and with his support of Prop 19 and 25 and the opposition to 23, we can no longer allow the liberal a “moderate” moniker here. I am of the opinion we need to defeat bad laws and support good ones. The difference between freedom loving, truthful conservatives and fib-prone, leftwing freeloaders is plain to see.
    I have been reading some threads on the FUE’s blog because it is always amusing to see for myself the vacuousness of a liberal philosophy in real time. They are obsessed with the open and candid talk on the conservative blogs because it appears to me they all must be shutins with nothing exciting in their lives. They complain about the language here but think their nuanced slights and Harvard/Columbia banter is somehow superior. They call the posters here names and then get all hot and bothered when we call them liberals. Pretty funny reading.

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  30. Jeff Pelline Avatar
    Jeff Pelline

    Todd,
    You have an inferiority complex.

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  31. Michael R. Kesti Avatar
    Michael R. Kesti

    There is nothing wrong with seat belts, Michael Anderson. There is something very wrong with the government of an allegedly free country mandating that its citizens must use seat belts, however. A government that is able to protect its citizens from themselves is also able to oppress them and probably will.

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  32. Barry Pruett Avatar

    When I was in Chicago, I monitered the local blogs. Apparently, my dad found the FUE’s site on his computer. Yesterday, he called me and said, “man that guy does not like you.” He added that the FUE was really liberal…this coming from a man who worked in a union steel mill in Chicago for over 30 years.
    Steel workers in Chicago know all about jobs being shipped overseas. If it is more cost effective for a company to build all new infrastructure overseas than staying here…there is a huge problem. You can spin the facts all you want. Jobs are leaving California because of over-regulation and over-taxation. Liberalism and attempts to create a centralized economy are destroying California…thank goodness for the strong conservative voice. Save California…save the USA!

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  33. George Rebane Avatar
    George Rebane

    MichaelK – Agree with your point, and may even venture that MichaelA would agree. The bad part of such mandates starts when the govt starts providing cost-shared services which inevitably become a type of commons that will be destroyed with cost overruns. To prevent that, the govt has to step in and dictate behaviors (i.e. remove liberties) that it thinks will extend the life of the commons. In the end it always fails with the result that both services are effectively removed along with the liberties.
    And please, your thoughts on – do you feel that we now have a govt that is able to protect us from ourselves? When does oppression kick in, or has it already?

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  34. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    I was reading somewhere the government will be mandating helmets for youngsters in cars. They are passing laws about smoking outside and wanted to tax view properties on the coast. There are many examples of liberal interference with freedom.
    For trhose that think I have an inferiority complex. Hey, I have been to so many psychologists it would make your head spin. I just can’t seem to succeed in becoming what the liberal wants me to be. LOL.

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  35. Michael Anderson Avatar
    Michael Anderson

    Michael K. and George,
    I am fine with people not wearing seat belts or motorcycle helmets as long as they can sign a legally binding document that states they agree to not use taxpayer paid-for emergency room services if their heads get cracked open like an egg. The problem is, such a document appears to be impossible to enforce.
    I don’t have an answer for this dilemma.

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  36. D. King Avatar
    D. King

    Michael,
    Do you have a problem with a pregnant
    illegal alien riding her motorcycle to
    the hospital to have her baby, without
    a helmet ?:)

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  37. Larry Sheldon Avatar
    Larry Sheldon

    Am I remembering correctly that the last time Captain Moonbeam was Governor, his inventory tax caused Sears and anybody else that ran a warehouse operation to move the operation to Carson City or Yuma/

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  38. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    D. King, you are so funny. Your last point is well made. We have become a nanny state which has morphed even further into absurdity with views such as MA’s regarding signing a release if we do not want to wear a helmet or use a seatbelt. What MA overlooks is the government is still requiring something from me for a personal decision before I can act. Yes, it might be smart not to drive without a helmet, use a seatbelt or smoke a cigar but where does it end? In California it doesn’t end and that is why we see the people fleeing and businesses going elsewhere. There is also the problem of certainty. People and business want to know things will be reliable for a long time before the invest their time and treasure in an endeavor. In our state, certainty is elusive. Every day the legislature meets creates more uncertainty and over time they undermines success. I once invited the fellow that owned “Cigarettes Cheaper” to come and speak to the CABPRO Board. The fellow was constantly up against the bureaucracy for a number of issues. He was a fighter and had won many encounters with overzealous laws implemented by insulated bureaucrats. Land use was usually the issue. Anyway, he said every time the Planning Commission meets, the BOS or any other government entity, we all lose a bit of freedom. He was totally correct.

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  39. Michael Anderson Avatar
    Michael Anderson

    “Do you have a problem with a pregnant
    illegal alien riding her motorcycle to
    the hospital to have her baby, without
    a helmet ?:)”
    No problem at all, as long as for any of the items listed above my name is not listed on the invoice as the payer.

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  40. Russ Steele Avatar

    Larry,
    I had forgotten about he distribution center moves to Nevada. The result was a thousand more 18 wheelers on I-80. More diesel pollution, just what the environmentalist wanted. It does not appear that any political leader does any second level thinking, thinking about the consequences of a new law. I think the same can be said of AB32, with rising energy prices businesses will be seeking lower cost of business regions and communities.

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