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George Rebane

We recently took a look at an operational definition of Socialist; this is an attempt to serve up the same treatment for ‘Racist’.   The notions of racism and racists have been bandied about in the public forum with ever increasing frequency since the Civil Rights Act of 1957.  Had we been playing racist paintball instead, I suspect that almost all of us would have a splatter or two that hit us from more directions than we can count.  Calling someone a racist has become a national pastime to the point that the label is now almost irrelevant for understanding.

People 

The respected American Heritage (unabridged) Dictionary defines ‘race’ as –

1. A local geographic or global human population distinguished as a more or less distinct group by genetically transmitted physical characteristics.
2. A group of people united or classified together on the basis of common history, nationality, or geographic distribution.
3. A genealogical line; a lineage.

And ‘racism’ is defined as –

1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

‘Racist’ is not explicitly defined, but it is pretty clear that a racist is a person who believes in or practices racism as defined above.


Like many (most?) dictionary definitions, the above are pretty low grade ore.  Most of them seem to be written by people who are innumerate, have poor critical thinking skills, and don’t get out much.

Take the race1 definition – “distinguished” by whom to what level of reliability?  “more or less distinct”??!!  Moving on to race2 – “united or classified together” by whom?  Is my defining a set of humans and giving them a label the same as yours?  And from race3 – “A genealogical line” is a binary tree with you as the root that expands into the past for, say, N generations and yields 2 to the Nth power ‘lines’; Seven generations back gives you 128 lines.  Which line did you pick? Which one did I?  What’s Obama?

And then there’s racism1 – “accounts for differences”; does that mean all, or any, or some, or … ?  You’d be a bit deficient if you said that race, as defined above, did NOT contribute to some differences in “character or ability”, or anything else for that matter, in any given human being.  Science shrieks when asked to prove such a negative proposition.  And note that racism1 includes the logical “and” to weld in the “superior” assessment.  It is almost certain that given some social utility function, certain differences, perhaps not all known, will make one ‘race’ superior to one or more of the others.  Again, you’d be foolish to argue a reasonable basis for the negative.

For racism2 we run smack dab into the political correctness that has robbed English of so much of its elegance and semantic precision.  ‘Discriminate’ is now one of those newspeak words that no longer means just the ability to tell this from that.  So if you notice that the arrangement of the gluteus maximus muscles of certain ‘black’ guys is a hell of a lot better for jumping than those of ‘white’ guys, and happen to point that out, you’re splattered with a racist paintball.

And similarly if you notice the unusually high fractions of Jews of east European Ashkenazi descent populating the professions ranging from art through business to science, and happen to note that or make a (Bayesian) decision on that assessment, you’re a racist according to what we’ve read.  Oh yes, and if, for example, you know nothing more of two candidates – one a Jew and the other a Muslim – for a position in, say, business, and with that information you have to pick one, you’re a prejudiced racist if you prejudge them both and pick the Jew.

With this kind of formal support to guide us into the heart of the matter, race, racism, and racist, in and of themselves, become meaningless hot air.  To the extent that they claim meaning, they may mean anything and everything that the speaker chooses.  (The Red Queen from Carroll’s Alice comes to mind.)  The stupid, the politicians, and people in the law industry (not necessarily orthogonal sets) use the words willy-nilly for excitement and profit.

So until there is some further clarification coming down the pike, I am a racist.  And so are you, … now what are we going to do?

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93 responses to “Who is a Racist?”

  1. George Rebane Avatar
    George Rebane

    Re Mandy Morello – for what it’s worth, this is what I’ve found out. She is anything but a liberal; in fact she is a loyal Republican who spends much of her time promoting conservative causes and signs herself ‘GOP Trumpeter’.
    The problem with Mandy started some time ago when she would not separate her political party interests with that of the TPP. She refused to sign on to the TPP principle of not endorsing or being connected to any particular political party. TPP is an issues promoting movement, and limits those issues to a very few (as has been pointed out on RR and elsewhere). Mandy would have none of such separation and was eventually contacted by Mark Meckler and Jenny Beth Martin. The message was, ‘You’re comprimising the independence and thrust of the TPP. Please separate your work on behalf the GOP from the TPP, or resign from the TPP.’ That didn’t go over very well, and the recriminations started.
    So now we have a dust-up in the growing but still fledgling TPP movement whose enemies smell blood and are swooping in to make the most of it.

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  2. Steve Enos Avatar
    Steve Enos

    George, thanks for responding to the issues vs. making personal attacks like Todd Juvinall.
    Mandy is a long time conservative and has put out a lot of effort in support of fellow conservatives and R’s. That’s one reason it’s very interesting that such a known, long time conservative would offer up such an extensive public statement about Mark Meckler, a fellow conservative and fellow Tea Party founder.
    Mandy’s statement that “As far as I am concerned, Mark Meckler has proven to be worse than Mark Williams ever was. We know Mark Williams is a showman and spin artist extraordinaire. Mark Williams, at least, has the conviction to be who he is…” is a very strong statement.
    “Mark Meckler has proven to be worse than Mark Williams ever was”… now considering all the issues with Mark Williams this part of her statement alone is huge!

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  3. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Calling you a liberal is a personal attack?

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  4. Steven Frisch Avatar
    Steven Frisch

    Wondering if any of the moral majority here are going to blog about the career destruction and smearing of Georgia USDA official Shirley Sherrod? Since you all are so quick to correct injustices, I’m wondering who here will come to her defense? Who will admit that Andrew Brietbart was vindictive and unprincipled in his perversion of her comments?

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  5. George Rebane Avatar
    George Rebane

    SteveF – watching the full video on Breitbart does not allow anyone to conclude that Sherrod did anything wrong. Most certainly nothing to have the NAACP demand her head, and the White House demand that she pull over to the side of the road and resign right then and there. Now you must have information that turns this all around. Please share what caused you to appeal to the “we were snookered” defense and attack Breitbart.
    And as a follow-on, stipulate the worst about Breitbart. How can a blogger spook both the NAACP and the White House into acting sophomorically and precipitously, and fire the woman without either investigating or granting her due process? Is there anything this administration will take responsibility for, or do we now add Breitbart to GW Bush, Cheney, Paulson, … on the ‘It was all his fault’ list?

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  6. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    George, Breitbart was sent the video, did not edit it and made no commentary. The NAACP saw it and called for her to be fired. The Ag Undersecretary called her as she was driving and asked her to pull over and stop, take her Blackberry and text in a resignation letter. That was the White House and Vilsack. Now it appears she was abused by Obama’s people because she was telling a story and it concluded with her becoming a NON racist. So, I’ll give her a pass and it shows the meanness of Obama for not getting all the facts before acting out.

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  7. Steven Frisch Avatar
    Steven Frisch

    Wow, you guys take the cake.
    Over on Jeff’s blog, when I heard about and watched the first iteration of the Sherrod video, I was the first to say. “If this is true, she should be fired”. I will also be the first here to admit that the Obama administration should have gotten the facts before they demanded Ms. Sherrod’s resignation. Very stupid move on their part.
    But come on, Brietbart has a responsibility as a “journalist’ doesn’t he? This was a hit job, plain and simple.
    A woman who got slandered by a false news report, gets screwed, and you guys think it proves your point that the Obama administration is flawed? No cr*p. But it also proves the point that MAJOR PLAYERS in the conservative movement like Andrew Brietbart have no shame, and would screw someone like this, and not even have the class to apologize. Brietbart took the entire comment out of context, did not care if he was harming someone, and was hoping to elicit a response.
    I have a flash for you. 10 bucks says that Tom Vilsack re-instates Ms. Sherrod and tactfully apologizes. Another 10 bucks says Brietbart never does, because he does not care who he hurts.

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  8. George Rebane Avatar
    George Rebane

    Sorry to be so thick SteveF, but I don’t know how an uncommented video of Sherrod making remarks that clearly indicated she had corrected her initial mistake would be considered “slander” or ‘screwing’ her. Unless, of course, Breitbart is a bad guy and knew that the NAACP and Obama’s crew would react like kneejerk idiots on what clearly was no evidence for a dismissal.
    Thank you for the “flash”, but a more careful read of my initial response to you would let anyone conclude that I also want the woman re-instated with very public apologies from both the dufus teams. And Breitbart should get a medal for creating another educational moment for the country about the current status of the two important institutions that went after Sherrod’s head. My initial remarks stand, as does the chasm that separates our worldviews.

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  9. Steve Frisch Avatar
    Steve Frisch

    Unbelievable. I can admit that Obama made a mistake and let this happen, even after I hedged my initial reaction waiting for a credible source, but you guys can not own up to the fact that this was,, as Clarence Thomas once described a public act of media overreaction, a high tech lynching.
    Brietbart started this by publicizing a truncated clearly doctored tape, implying black racism and reverse discrimination, let the clowns at Fox take it up, and counted on the fear of retribution from within the Dem party and the sensitivity of the NAACP to reverse discrimination claims to do his dirty work.
    It’s disgusting that you guys would not recognize the right wing propaganda machines role in this..
    At least Democrats, when they are wrong, can stand up and admit it without fear of loss of face, as Tom Vilsack and the White House did today.
    This is the definition of race baiting on the right wings part. You guys are playing with Helter Skelter and you don’t care.
    I’ll say it again, you guys actions disgust me.

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  10. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    The leftwing is race baiting here George and they are making up their “facts” again. The NAACP called for the woman to be fired. She made the speech at a NAACP luncheon and now we know it was a left wing ploy. These liberals has fallen for it again. The right has clean hands, FOX never aired the video until after the Obama Admin fired the woman. Facts are facts and liberal race baiters are squirming.

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  11. Mikey McD Avatar

    It should be against all tax payer funded organizations (i.e. USDA) policy to speak at a group as racist as the NAACP. NAACP brings out the worst in folks. This speech is very damning of Mrs. Sherrod. Talk about double standard :
    http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/us/2010/07/20/sherrod.naacp.speech.dctv.html

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  12. Steve Enos Avatar
    Steve Enos
  13. George Rebane Avatar
    George Rebane

    Now that both the White House and the NAACP have apologized to Ms Sherrod, we can be thankful for the lessons learned, especially about the all the participants involved including Mr Breitbart. I am under no illusion that our friends on the left have learned the same things that those of us on the right took away from this. But I’m sure we all wish Ms Sherrod a happy and profitable resumption of her career.

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  14. George Rebane Avatar
    George Rebane

    SteveE – I suppose that those one-liners and links must serve as the best placeholders the left can muster for its case that the TPP is filling with undesirables. Well enough. But please rest assured if I gave an equivalent list of self-declared Socialists, Communists, Marxists, Leninists, etc who are already full-fledged, ensconsed, and welcomed members of the Democratic Party and this administration, it would bring a yawn from my constituents because everyone already knows that. A perversion of logic does allow decrlaring the potential to be the equivalent of the achieved.

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  15. Steven Frisch Avatar
    Steven Frisch

    Come on George where id you get the picture? Who is this group of good looking young people? Is it just a token picture of a diverse set of young people you pulled off the internet? Why would you post this picture with the titles post Who is a Racist? What was your motive?

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  16. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Come on Steve, how come you haven’t gien us the breakdown of the races in your non profit? Good for the goose!

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  17. Mandy Morello Avatar

    @ George Rebane,This is Mandy Morello, I was just informed you posted a comment about some supposed reply from Mark Meckler and JennyBeth Martin….First off there is no such reply and I have “fought side by side ” with Mark, Patty, their Kids and Marks Parents since Feb 29, 2009. If Mark Meckler is so anti-politician or candidate why was McClintock and Runner (Both of which I endorsed through GOP Trumpeter) asked to be there at the first Tax Day event, Sac 8-28 and McClintock would have been there for the 2010 Tax Day if he had been in town.
    Your comment about Meckler and JennyBeth, which comes off as though Meckler was being a typical lawyer stating something about a rogue volunteer, is complete BS. First of all I never received such a note. Secondly,I have been holding Candidate Meet & Greets through TPP groups throughout the state since last December and ANY CANDIDATE was welcome to come and use this non-partisan chance to speak at a Tea Party event… it was common knowledge that GOP Trumpeter was there to facilitate the TPP (at least in California) with the ability to become active in the most crucial part of our activism, without violating their non-profit status,in order to find Candidates that embrace our values to reclaim our state!
    Finally, your comment “‘You’re compromising the independence and thrust of the TPP. Please separate your work on behalf the GOP from the TPP, or resign from the TPP.’” Who sent you that because I would like to see it…. there has never been such communication and it is hard for me to resign from an organization that I specifically never had an official position on in the first place so that I could be their loophole!!!
    Tread lightly, George you are sounding like a Meckler’s plant to spread false information!
    By the way…the GOP in GOP Trumpeter stands for Grand Ol’ Partiot since the Party is not so grand anymore and the point was to reclaim the party in the process.

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  18. George Rebane Avatar
    George Rebane

    Thanks for commenting Mandy. Since I have no first person knowledge of this situation, my report was of what I was told by the Mecklers. I mentioned no note, so your remark there is a puzzle to me. I understand that the communication to you was via phone.
    Since the TPP is a loosely bound movement, and you say that you have continued working in behalf of the TPP, what contacts have you had with Mark and JennyBeth regarding your TPP relationship, and what do you currently consider that relationship to be?
    In short, if what I reported is in error, please clear it up. And again, thanks for taking the time since as I said, there are a lot vultures up there looking to start circling.

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  19. Laura Boatright Avatar

    First of all, as for “who’s a racist” Mark Williams wrote a very distasteful SATIRE that he should have had someone else read BEFORE he posted it. Especially with sarcasm and satire, sometimes it does not read with the same “flavor” as we meant it to. (I am not a huge fan of Williams’, but I try to be FAIR with all people, even those I disagree with.)
    However, Mark Meckler, IMO< has put his personal vendetta above the TRUTH of the movement, and an honest debate about race in America at large in order to POSITION Tea Party Patriots as THE spokespeople for the movement. MOST OF US REJECT THAT IDEA.
    He is AFRAID to talk about real racism, so easier to attack his rival.
    While he’s busy “branding” Tea Party Patriots by keeping Mark Williams’ story alive, I am addressing the TRUTH: http://www.teapartyie.com/news.php
    I have been in this movement from the beginning too. I know Meckler and Morello very well. I know “the inside scoop” and try not to air dirty laundry, until I see MISTRUTHS…then I am forced to speak out. (I did the same thing in support of Meckler last year after Williams had made false accusations against Meckler and the entire CA Tea Party Patriot coalition.)
    In the situation with Mandy, MARK MECKLER IS SPINNING IT. Mandy wrote her disassociation letter FOR UNDERHANDED POLITICS, the many Tea Party organizers across CA were concerned with Mecklers TOO CLOSE RELATIONSHIP WITH THE CRP, and (recently drafted to run for POTUS, Tom McClintock Who had been mysteriously “inserted” in Tea party events at the last minute by Meckler).
    If anyone is letting partisan politics taint the TPP, it’s Meckler himself.
    Mandy Morello was supporting a grassroots candidate. Meckler, it appears, was covertly supporting an establishment candidate, Poizner. Mark Meckler and Dawn Wildman attended a conference call with Steve Poizner and Marc Harris (what is it with “Marks”??), an action they did NOT extend to ANY OTHER CANDIDATE in the race for Governor. Why would they do this? Meckler and Wildman are not stupid. I can only deduce that this was a deliberate action on their part. So much for non-partisan and non-candidate endorsing.
    He SAYS one thing, and DOES another. This seems to be how Meckler operates. So,consider THAT when you hear Meckler’s version of the order of events and Mandy Morello’s disassociation from TPP.
    MECKLER’S actions have tragically split the movement in our state. There are those of us on the INSIDE who know the score, and bloggers who don’t.
    Everyone is free to examine the evidence and decide for themselves who is telling the truth, and what their motivations might be.
    Laura Boatright
    http://TeaPartyIE.com
    since March 4th, 2009
    (CO-FOUNDER OF NATIONAL TEA PARTY MOVEMENT…WITH 10,OOO OTHERS, AND GROWING EVERY DAY)

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  20. pam silleman Avatar

    frankly, after seeing the lies being perpetuated by Jenny Beth on the Glenn Beck show Friday, I really don’t even want to hear the name TPP or Mark Meckler or Jenny Beth.
    I hear new stories daily now about Mark Meckler and his next ‘demand’ etc.
    Today, I had a call from a newer Tea Party Patriot group, they were asking me about how to form a 501-C………I told them that I was just a small time, one man show and am not incorporated, but that I was sure Mark Meckler the chairman of TPP would be happy to give him advice. The caller hesitated and said: “well, he will for a price’………….I was again, shocked by the greed of Meckler.
    He receives all of the donations made to our national site, but when one of his groups needs advice (he is an attorney after all)……he DEMANDS MONEY!
    After I realized what Mark was really about I severed my relationship from them, I do not want anyone to think that I am doing all that I do DAILY, for money or personal gain.

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  21. Steven Frisch Avatar
    Steven Frisch

    Ah, the beat goes on!
    By the way, there are a number of very good non-profit formation primers available on-line for free, or at a very low cost. Here is one I have used with a couple of people to help them form non-profits that comes from Nolo Press. For about $35 you get all of the forms and instructions, letter templates, everything.
    http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/article-30228.html

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  22. Steve Enos Avatar
    Steve Enos

    Hey George… I told you what Mark Meckler was up to and you bashed me amd protected Mark Meckler.
    Time for you to wake up George, wake up the the sham and scam that is Mark Meckler, we’s working this for his own power and profit!

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  23. George Rebane Avatar
    George Rebane

    SteveE, where did I “bash” you?

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  24. Steve Enos Avatar
    Steve Enos

    Oh please George… you have been a very strong defender of Mark Meckler.
    Do I really need to pull up all the past posts where you defend Mark Meckler when I have raised the issues about Mark Meckler being a scam?
    George, instead of asking me your lame question you need to respond to what has been posted here by Tea Party founders.
    George, you shuld wake up and smell the cofffe about Mark Meckler the the TPP scammer. Look at who is raising these issues George!
    Address the real issues raised by Pam Sillerman, Laura Boatright(CO-FOUNDER OF NATIONAL TEA PARTY MOVEMENT) and Mandy Morello! These folks are true TP folks, while Mark Meckler is a scammer that whats power and money!

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  25. Steve Enos Avatar
    Steve Enos

    Pam Silleman backs up my past posts about Marl Meckler being a scam. Here’s part of what Pam had to say”
    “The caller hesitated and said: “well, he will for a price’………….I was again, shocked by the greed of Meckler. He receives all of the donations made to our national site, but when one of his groups needs advice (he is an attorney after all)……he DEMANDS MONEY!After I realized what Mark was really about I severed my relationship from them, I do not want anyone to think that I am doing all that I do DAILY, for money or personal gain”.
    Hey George, wake up! Mark Meckler is using the Tea Party movement and Tea Party members to scam for profit and power.

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  26. Larry Naritelli Avatar

    TPP should not go on Glenn Beck and throw stones at other Tea Party organizations. The actions of Jenny Beth Martin and Mark Meckler to undermine candidates in the CA primaries was deplorable. When they couldn’t use racism, they made false claims of violent threats that never happened. Even going so far as to create stories of illicit affairs to discredit conservative candidates. Their attacks were based on complete falsehoods and Glenn Beck should have done better research before he allowed Ms. Martin on his show.

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  27. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Le’s see, The TPP is national, millions of adherents, marches, rallies and supporters abound. Even Congress now has a TPP Caucus, and some people think the littl soap opera here will make a dent in the enthusiasm? Sorry for the liberals, ain’t gonna happen. I was instructed early on in my first run for public office to disregard the soap operas. Thise that wish to undermine the campaign or the candidate try and suck everyone into the soap opera. It is an age old tactic, mostly by liberals/democrats and it won’t work with the TPP.

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  28. George Rebane Avatar
    George Rebane

    LarryN, those are some pretty heavy words. Could you please point us to some “false claims of violent threats …”, and also created stories of “illicit affairs”? Thanks.
    SteveE – Just so I understand how a liberal uses English, let me see if I have it straight. Is it correct that if B attacks A, and C responds by just defending A, then C is “bashing” A? Just FYI, the rest of us use ‘bashing’ to mean something else completely.

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  29. Steve Enos Avatar
    Steve Enos

    So now we have Todd Juvinall bashing on Pam Sillerman, Laura Boatright(CO-FOUNDER OF NATIONAL TEA PARTY MOVEMENT), Mandy Morello and Larry Naritelli and the important issues they raise.
    Todd Juvinall says it’s “the liberals”… wake up! To have Todd Juvinall bash Mandy Morello and the issues she has raised is beyond insane! Mandy is one hard working, true conservative!
    Todd Juvinall can also try and discredit Pam Silleman all he wants, but Pam was first in on the Tea Party and is co-founder of the National Tea Party movement!
    What is clear from the key Tea Party folks that have been working for the cause is clear… Mark Meckler has been working to profit and gain power for himself and not for The Tea Party movement!
    It’s all coming out at last… thank God there are brave and true conservatives and real Tea Party folks willing to step up and get the word out about who Mark Mackler really is.
    Folks also need to check out how Mark Meckler has been getting a LOT of money from a Southern California “main stream”, good old boy lobby and interst group to front for their interests.
    Mark Meckler is “working” for his own profit and power and this is at last gettying out to the public!
    Thank you to the real Patriots that are speaking out here and exposing that Mark Meckler is running a scam.

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  30. Larry Naritelli Avatar

    Well if the leaders of TPP use progressive tactics to undermine conservative candidates then the TPP Caucus is in for a rude awakening. You can call it a soap opera if you want, but those of us who learned the hard way have done our best to warn you about what is happening. Why else would the TPP go on national television to discredit the tea party organization that raises money for tea party candidates across the country? The only ones that benefited from the actions of the TPP leaders in CA were progressives.

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  31. Steve Enos Avatar
    Steve Enos

    George, try to continue your defense of Mark Meckler all you want, butit won;t work. True Patriots are now getting the word out about Mark Meckler.
    I have raised these same issues about Mark Meckler being nothing more than ascammer that is “working” for personal profit and power.
    You always defend Mark Meckler and post about how close you are to this great American! well it’s time for you to wake up to the facts.
    Thank you to the real Patriots that are speaking out here and exposing that Mark Meckler is running a scam.

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  32. Steve Enos Avatar
    Steve Enos

    And what about Mark Meckler sending out emails to Tea Party members asking them to send money DIRECTLY to his house and to make the checks payable to him and to wrote “for personal use” on the checks?
    Mark Meckler didn’t use the TPP mailing lists to raise money for the TPP, he did it to raise money for himself, for his own personal use… this is a fact.
    Mark Meckler has used the TPP and TP information databases to direct email TP members to send him “personal” money, for his personal use!
    Again, thank God there are true TP Patriots that are now willing to get the truth about Mark Meckler out for all to see.

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  33. George Rebane Avatar
    George Rebane

    To the commenters who recently have joined RR and this comment thread – please know that Steve Enos is a very loud, energetic, if not an always coherent progressive voice in Nevada County. His opposition to the TP and TPP is longstanding and on record here on RR and other blogs. Right now he is issuing the classic call to the opposition – ‘Let’s you and he fight!’
    Continuing on ToddJ’s observation, which I think correctly characterizes the national situation, if there is substance to the charges made here, then that substance should be made known. Else all we have is internecine name calling and character assassinaton via innuendo. And I do stand by my previous questions, all of which remain unanswered.

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  34. Larry Naritelli Avatar

    George, I am certain that others in the movement are well aware of Meckler’s emails during the primaries. Also the blog posted by Jenny Beth Martin’s progressive troll from Maine the weekend before the primary. However this is not the forum to go through each and every item. Suffice it to say that Mandy, Pam, and others are hard working patriots who have given their all to this movement. There are many good people who are part of the TPP. I was a volunteer for them all last year. Once the TPP eradicates the progressive influences at the top of their ranks, they will become a much more effective organization. Attacking people because they attend other Tea Party events or who want to change the moderate forces in the Republican party is very divisive and unproductive. If Beck decides to be part of the healing he will need to do the research. It is out there all over the place.

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  35. Steve Enos Avatar
    Steve Enos

    George, if you check my past posts I have ask for folks to support the Tea Party and not the RNC. In fact I have asked folks to send their support money to the TP and not the RNC… for good reasons.
    George, I have raised these very same issues about Mark Meckler time and time again and you have always defended Mark Meckler and attacked me and it’s you that has also responded with claims about how honest and wonderful Mark Meckler is, vs. checking the facts.
    You can attack the messangers shinkng the light on Mark Meckler all you want, but the message and the facts remain. You can continue your defense of Mark Meckler but the truth is at last getting out!
    Thank God there are true TP Patriots that are now willing to get the truth about Mark Meckler out for all to see.

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  36. George Rebane Avatar
    George Rebane

    SteveE – I take it that your use of the word ‘attack’ suffers from a similar semantic sickness as does your ‘bash’.
    For the record – earlier in the year an appeal was put out to local TPP members to financially help the Mark Meckler family since they were tapping out their savings paying for all the travel expenses Mark was running up in behalf of the TPP (those damned oil company checks were delayed again). Jo Ann and I, and many others supported the Mecklers in this appeal. There was no subtrefuge in this appeal, we all knew where the money was needed and where our support was going. To imply otherwise is ingenuous.
    LarryN – I agree that rehashing the evidence in this blog’s comment thread is neither efficient nor productive (however, if links exist to better sites, then please provide any that you have). Do you have any suggestions about how we can resolve or patch or … this dust-up here in NorCal? You also point to a national disagreement – that of endorsing candidates or not – that I think is important and needs to be resolved. I was under the impression that that was a main difference between the Patriots and the Express – the latter chose to endorse candidates (and the Republicans) while the former did not. What is your understanding?

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  37. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    How many Tea Parties are there? It’s kind of like sour dough starter. When you eat the bread no one knows where it came from. Has anybody done a “Family Tree” of the movement ?

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  38. Steven Frisch Avatar
    Steven Frisch

    Is that really your defense–that you are just repeating what your buddy Mark told you? If so, I have some highly valuable although occasionally moist land I would like to sell you in Florida. For a guy who doesn’t seem to trust anything, you sure have a lot faith in a shooting star.

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  39. Jeff Pellne Avatar
    Jeff Pellne

    Why wasn’t this financial contribution to Mark Meckler’s family disclosed until now? You write about Meckler all the time.

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  40. George Rebane Avatar
    George Rebane

    Dear Readers – Stan Meckler has weighed in on this issue here.
    http://rebaneruminations.typepad.com/rebanes_ruminations/2010/08/stan-meckler-responds.html

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  41. Steve Enos Avatar
    Steve Enos

    Is Mark Meckler is all about… Mark Meckler?
    Consider the following:
    1. When the Mark Williams “dust up” started Mark Meckler ran to the press and tossed Williams under the bus as faster as he could.
    Mark Meckler went to the press and made statements and claims that he, Mark Meckler The Tea Party Leader had been warning the Tea Party about Mark Williams from the start.
    But in these press interviews bashing Mark Williams Mark Meckler forgot to mention he had long running connections to Mark Williams. Mark Meckler forgot to disclose that he and Williams have appeared and spoken together in the past. He forgot to mention that in 2009 the Meckler’s selected Mark Williams to be the MC/Host/speaker at the TPP gathering here in Nevada County. He forgot to mention a bit of a falling out. Seems Mark Meckler forgets a lot of things.
    Seems Mark Meckler forgot his relationship and past appearances with Mark Williams and instead ran to the press to claim he warned everyone about Mark Williams long ago. Sorry, this is the behavior of an opportunist.
    2. What about the private use of the Tea Party membership email database by Mark Meckler to send out a plea for Tea Party members to “donate” money for his PERSONAL use? Mark Meckler used and emailed the Tea Party membership list asking folks to send checks to his personal address and indicate they were for his PERSONAL use.
    Combine this misuse of the membership list with the comments being raised by others in the posts above. Folks with the Tea Party are now providing information about Mark Meckler asking for money and they raise questions about Mark Mecklers use of the national Tea Party sites donations.
    Pam Silleman posts above about Mark Meckler… “He receives all of the donations made to our national site, but when one of his groups needs advice (he is an attorney after all).… he DEMANDS MONEY.”
    Wouldn’t an attorney know that it’s not a good idea to use the Tea Party membership email database to send out pleas for Tea Party members to “donate” money for his PERSONAL use?
    This issue about the misuse of the Tea Party membership email database and the donations to the Tea Party and Mark Mecklers “personal” account funds should be looked into.
    What about Mark Meckler getting paid a lot of money from the Lincoln Club of Orange County?
    From what folks are now saying and disclosing and the information that is starting to flood out it’s clear all this should be looked into.
    The issues is… will it?

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  42. Steven Frisch Avatar
    Steven Frisch

    See this is why people start non-profits——third party audited financial statements, annual conflict of interest forms, required 990 federal income tax filing, state tax filing, articles of incorporation and by laws on file with the Secretary of State.
    Perhaps the Tea Party movement and CABPRO could learn a lesson about transparency, accountability and reporting.
    By the way, I have a lot of sympathy for Mark Meckler on the financial front here. Advocacy work is hard and requires a great deal of dedication. There is no reason it should not be paid if people are willing to donate to support it. But this really points out why a little structure is important.

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  43. Steve Frisch Avatar
    Steve Frisch

    Interesting to see that is concerned about transparency from the Governor.
    http://cabproreport.typepad.com/weblog/

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