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[Where is the eternal debate going on politicians lying?  It seems that our leftwing readers gleefully highlight every Trump pronouncement that is in any, even minute, way flawed as an intended lie.  But they totally ignore the daily pronouncements of Democrats as members of the greatest perennial lying machine in the country. gjr]

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157 responses to “Sandbox – 28jun25”

  1. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Continuing with the conversation with Gregory
    Trump quote proving he is a liar:
    “Gasoline just broke $1.98 a Gallon, lowest in years, groceries (and eggs!) down, energy down, mortgage rates down, employment strong, and much more good news, as Billions of Dollars pour in from Tariffs.” his was dated May 02, 2025, 5:45 AM
    You two are continuing to claim he is not a liar.
    https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/114438304481024140

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  2. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    George
    Trump is a liar because his supporters don’t care and. you seem to be one of them.

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  3. fish Avatar
    fish

    Carried over from previous Sandbox….
    Posted by: Paul “I’m an admitted liar” Emery | 28 June 2025 at 08:36 AM
    So fish you are admitting Trump is a liar. Glad we are finally agreeing on something.

    Well technically I’m admitting that you have something in common with Trump. If you say it’s that you are both liars well who am I to argue with that! And hey…..because you’re an admitted liar you also have that in common with Biden as well….so you got that going for you which is nice!

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  4. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Paul “Casting entrails to understand the world around him” Emery | 28 June 2025 at 12:29 PM
    Trump is a liar because his supporters don’t care and. you seem to be one of them.

    You have no idea why Trump lies! Probably because he is a politician.
    Of course Joe Biden also told lies….to the point where even industrial Washington laughed at him and that never even once seemed to bother you Paul Raymond. You referred to Joe Biden as a Man of Integrity.
    Why was that?
    And of course, why you lie is another story entirely.

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  5. gjrebane Avatar

    PaulE 1229pm – Does that mean that I’m like all Democrats like you who also don’t care how their politicians lie?

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  6. fish Avatar
    fish

    You mean we spent all that money on public health and medical research and this guy knew all along….

    Radical Democrat Claims ‘The N Word’ Causes Cancer, Diabetes, Heart Disease In Black People

    Typical progressive democrat…..selfish! Look at how many have died and he’s just letting this out now??
    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/radical-democrat-claims-n-word-causes-cancer-diabetes-heart-disease-black-people

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  7. Scott O Avatar

    Paul – “…because his supporters don’t care”
    Trump supporters care about our country and whether we are better or worse off under Trump.
    We care very much about that.
    Biden was a disaster and Kamala would have been even worse.
    Trump is a huuuuge improvement over the last 4 years.
    I don’t like everything he says and does, but an improvement is the best we can do and I’m supporting that.
    Paul – you can nit-pick and jump up and down all you want and I’m just laughing at you.
    Inflation and prices are generally down – that’s a fact. Why don’t you take a chill pill and enjoy life?

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  8. Scott O Avatar

    fish 1:12 – So Dave Chappelle is a public health menace to the black community?
    The only time I hear that word is when blacks use it.
    Hmmm – maybe some kind of mass suicidal tendency?

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  9. scenes Avatar
    scenes

    Just to share, this is a pretty good rundown on recent Orange Man activities.
    “President Trump just hosted a press briefing at the White House.
    One by one, Trump and Pam Bondi delivered major announcements and clues on what’s coming next—directly to the American people.
    Here’s everything you should know (and no joke, it gets crazier the further you read):”
    https://x.com/karlmehta/status/1938947099347034410
    Good times, good times.

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  10. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    This is the poll the po ol ponytail of ignorance should pay attention to –
    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2025/06/28/nolte-kamala-kollapse-poll-shows-democrats-2028-presidential-bench-is-all-losers/
    😉

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  11. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Don
    I don’t consider Breitbart to be a reputable news source. Try again.

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  12. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    George
    We’re talking about here and now. You seem to agree that Trump is a liar but that’s ok because in you’re opinion so was Biden.

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  13. gjrebane Avatar

    PaulE 832pm – As usual you didn’t answer my question but changed the subject.

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  14. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Punch 818p, i dont consider you a suitable judge.
    Looking over the Breitbart article, it appears to have an adequate basis to discuss. Try again.

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  15. fish Avatar
    fish

    In support of scenes theory that “if these people didn’t exist we would have to invent them!”……
    Today’s episode….“The Nice White Lady Discovers Duck Mating”
    We’ll be right back!
    https://x.com/ClownWorld_/status/1938595647881720221?s=09

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  16. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    What “question” was that George? My discussion was specifically Trumps outright lie about gas prices and what that means to have such a liar as President. How he can get away with such sleazy behavior is beyond me but it’s ok with you which really confuses me as I consider you go be an man of intelligence and charactor.

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  17. fish Avatar
    fish

    This is going to be so much fun…..

    Zohran Mamdani’s Socialist Policies Would Put The Final Nail In New York’s Coffin

    For me I mean. For New York City residents probably not so much?
    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/zohran-mandanis-socialist-policies-would-put-final-nail-new-yorks-coffin

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  18. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    What was Trump’s “outright lie” about gasoline prices?

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  19. gjrebane Avatar

    PaulE 926am – see my 106pm.

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  20. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    We’re talking about an election that is three and a half years away Gregory so I give the whole topic a “whatever”. Why is it important to you?

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  21. Scott O Avatar

    “What “question” was that George?”
    The one he asked you, Paul.
    Duh.

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  22. Scott O Avatar

    Supreme comedy:
    ““No right is safe in the new legal regime the Court creates,” states Sotomayor’s dissent, joined by Justices Elena Kagan and Ketanji Brown-Jackson. “Today, the threat is to birthright citizenship. Tomorrow, a different administration may try to seize firearms from law-abiding citizens or prevent people of certain faiths from gathering to worship.”
    What???!!
    Try to seize firearms from law-abiding citizens??!!
    Why that’s never, ever, even been thought of by anyone.
    Tomorrow? May try?
    Hey, sweet cakes – your side already been done trying that for decades.
    I kinda recall eggs-ackly people being prevented from “trying to worship”.
    That wasn’t Trump and it had nothing to do with this ruling.
    Are these 3 people who signed this dissent really that stupid? Are they that idiotic?
    I never thought that much of them in the first place, but this seals it – they are left-wing loons.
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jun/27/us-supreme-court-dissents

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  23. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    You know you are doing good when even the opposition has to admit it –
    He continued, “I made the case at the outset of the program today that he’s had a good two weeks. No B.S. He’s winning, maybe not in a way you want. There are many things that he’s doing that I disagree with. And I tell you what they are. Every day on radio and once a week here. But you got to stand back and say it’s consequential. It is consequential. So, interesting.”
    Over the last week, the Trump administration touted several successes, including a U.S. military strike on Iranian nuclear facilities, a potential ceasefire between Iran and Israel and a NATO agreement to boost defense spending after the president’s demands.
    The Supreme Court also ruled to limit nationwide injunctions by federal judges which have limited several of Trump’s executive orders.
    Although Smerconish has disagreed with Trump’s actions, he has argued that the media’s “constant browbeating” against him may have led to his re-election.
    https://www.foxnews.com/media/cnn-host-praises-president-trump-being-on-roll-citing-very-consequential-week
    😉

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  24. The Estonian Fox Avatar
    The Estonian Fox

    Scott @ 06:51 PM
    Lest your last rhetorical question go unanswered – Yes; and Yes.
    Now P.E.’s answer would be slightly different: (and I quote) “Scott, the polls show clearly that your Trump is stupid and has the lowest rating of any president in the last 350 years. Why are you so condescending to 3 fine non-male judges who passed the bar yesterday? They are as qualified as any male.”
    Ten minutes later from P.E.:
    “Typos. … the stupidest president…last 250 years; ..passed the bar exam…”

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  25. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    It’s about truth, justice and the American Way, Punch.
    Gasoline and eggsies are all down substantially.

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  26. George Boardman Avatar

    I know a retired Air Force officer who spent half of his 30-year career in damage assessment and related issues. He tells me it takes at least two or three months–many times, longer–to make an accurate assessment of the damage done by an attack like the one in Iran.
    Trump was probably told this by at least one brave soul (maybe even the current golden boy, Raisin’ Caine), but chose to ignore it and declare unilateral victory because that’s how it works in Trump land.
    I would like to believe the attack ended the Iran nuclear threat for many years, but why should I believe anything Trump says?

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  27. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    And why should we believe anything you write, Bored Georgeman?

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  28. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    The TDS set can ignore the other assessments, but the Israelis know more than anyone and your old wingnut could not have any experience with the 30,000 pound penetrator as new as it is. Given that statement he does not sound like someone who had modern real time tech at his disposal.
    😉

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  29. Scott O Avatar

    “He tells me it takes at least two or three months–many times, longer–to make an accurate assessment of the damage done by an attack like the one in Iran.”
    Is the area now operational? No.
    When will it be operational?
    Now that, – that will take months or years to assess.
    And in the event it looks like they are using it again, then it will be made non-operational again.
    And if they go to another site to operate in – it will become non-operational. And in the meantime – the cost to keep re-building their underground bunkers will bleed their coffers.
    We know Boardman is all pissed because Trump’s move was effective and didn’t start a war like the Dems were hoping.
    Capiche?

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  30. Scott O Avatar

    This Mamdani dude is really something. The best part of his “commie” routine is how he invents his grassroots support.
    The whole article is interesting but if you really want to see the big news, scroll down to Sam Antar’s X post and —Follow The Money!
    “→ $7M in taxpayer matching funds (69% of total funding)
    → 94% of contributions bundled by ONE person employed by taxpayer-funded org
    → 100% bundled money – every dollar came through professional bundlers, not organic donations
    → PACs exceeded bundling – allied PAC spending ($1.9M) surpassed even the bundling operation ($1.7M)
    → Corporate-level infrastructure – $3.9M on TV/digital ads, $792K payroll, $120K polling, Beyoncé’s tour production company
    → Perfect 1:1 correlation between supposedly independent PACs and party endorsements
    → $204 per claimed volunteer
    → ZERO organic grassroots donations
    🎯 THE SMOKING GUN: On June 11, 2025, Make the Road Action contributed exactly $45,697.14 to WFP National PAC. THE SAME DAY, WFP National PAC paid back exactly $45,697.14 to Make the Road Action for “phone services.””
    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/zohran-mamdani-admits-he-hates-capitalism-allied-socialist-operative-linked-marxist

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  31. fish Avatar
    fish

    Just another day in the Joseph Robinette Biden: Man of Integrity* chronicles….

    Another Huge Biden Scandal Is About to Blow Up


    “Another Biden scandal is blowing up—this time in East Palestine, Ohio. Newly uncovered emails reveal that the Biden administration knew cancer-causing toxins may have been released into the community following a catastrophic train derailment, even as officials publicly claimed everything was under control.”


    Anyone surprised…..?
    *A Paul Raymond Emery Production
    https://pjmedia.com/matt-margolis/2025/06/01/another-huge-biden-scandal-is-blowing-up-n4940344#google_vignette

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  32. fish Avatar
    fish

    …. I guess Jimmy is off to that “Seedy Motel Room in the Sky”

    Televangelist Jimmy Swaggart dies at 90

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/televangelist-jimmy-swaggart-dies-90-rcna216239

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  33. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    I’ll remember the Pentacostal preacher A.A.Allen who died in 1970, age 59, in a coma at the Jack Tar Hotel in San Fran. He was based in Miracle Valley Aridzona. An alcoholic, the son of an alcoholic.
    My dear grandmother listened to him on the TV.

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  34. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    This should have been here.
    Scott
    What is your solution for healthcare for those 16 million Americans without health care if Trumps budget passes?
    “Roughly 16 million people by 2034 would lose health coverage and become uninsured because of the Medicaid cuts, the bill’s failure to extend enhanced premium tax credits for ACA marketplace coverage, and other harmful ACA marketplace changes, according to estimates from the Congressional Budget Office (CBO). ”
    https://www.cbpp.org/research/health/by-the-numbers-house-bill-takes-health-coverage-away-from-millions-of-people-and

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  35. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    The able bodied not working should not be on medicade staying in mommies basement getting high, nor should illegals or fraudsters who do not meet the low-income requirements. That you guys leave out the details of who got on the rolls that should not have leaves your rhetoric in the trash heap of history. Typical po ol ponytail of ignorance party parrot socialist dem talking points. LOL
    😉

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  36. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Don
    How do you determine who is going to be booted off health care Don? How about able bodied that have been working but are unemployed? Does the loss of healthcare include their families and especially children?
    Also how we know there are 16 Million ineligible for healthcare and what is the process to determine who they are?
    Any answers to these question Don ?

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  37. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Paul “He thinks he makes a good argument” Emery | 01 July 2025 at 08:27 PM
    ….and this is why these programs….so very important to you…… will eventually fail. Because you refuse to police them.
    Probably after you’ve shucked this mortal coil so you won’t get to see it ………which is a pity.

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  38. fish Avatar
    fish

    I know why The Nation is upset…..

    Trump’s Big Bill Is Building a Big Police State

    Still trying to figure out how Bad Orange Man got one built before the Progressive Democrats could finish theirs?!
    Maybe this will learn ya that losers like Kneepads McGillicuddy are hardly your best option.
    https://www.thenation.com/article/society/trump-bill-police-state/

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  39. Resurrected Hillbilly Avatar
    Resurrected Hillbilly

    How many of our local dwellers are planning to, or have switched, to Patriot Mobile?
    I mean it’s a no-brainer right?
    Christian, second amendment, free speech, righteous mobile.
    MAGAloon Mobile, get on that flag festoon pickup, now!
    BIGRED 1 – Patriot Mobile | Mobilizing Freedom https://share.google/sg46LFqv49pawauzn

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  40. fish Avatar
    fish

    All because you progressive fuckwits were just so sure that you had the other half of the population cowed into submission and that constantly calling people racist would eliminate any pushback and let you get away with the importation of your permanent voting majority!

    GOP Budget Bill Would Make ICE “Largest Federal Law Enforcement Agency in the History of the Nation”

    Another pliable emptyhead in the White House and your Thousand Year Reich would be a reality!
    Nice job fuckers….missed it by that much!
    https://www.democracynow.org/2025/7/2/trump_budget_bill_ice_immigration_enforcement

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  41. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    House passes rules package for the BBB, two more house votes to go and its one the desk for signature. Happy 4th of july!
    😉

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  42. Resurrected Hillbilly Avatar
    Resurrected Hillbilly

    Solo Sardine 1133 am
    Not quite sure who you are trying to blame for the Big Ass Pork Belly Big Brother Bill…

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  43. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Flatuent Jeffbilly | 02 July 2025 at 03:46 PM
    Big Ass Pork Belly Big Brother Bill…

    Oh my…..we are irony impaired aren’t we?
    Anyway, just another one of your progressive brethren simpering about the size of ICE and how its budget has grown so much in such a short period of time. When none of it would have been necessary if President Brainstem hadn’t invited the entirety of the 3rd world in during his time as chair warmer.
    I must apologize….as a former newspaper….err…..guy who did newspaperish stuff you have the reading level of an 11th grader if the averages are to be believed. Probably asking too much for you to read and understand a 30 second blog comment.
    It explains much about why newspapers are dead or dying though.

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  44. fish Avatar
    fish

    Local Nevada City idiot most impacted….

    Phil McGraw’s Merit Street Media Files for Bankruptcy, Sues Distribution Partner Trinity Broadcasting

    https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/dr-phil-merit-street-media-bankruptcy-1236305002/

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  45. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    Someone get to the po ol ponytail of ignorance and set him on his fainting couch. The big lie is now fully exposed as corrupt political act –
    A bombshell new CIA review of the Obama administration’s spy agencies’ assessment that Russia interfered in the 2016 presidential election to help Donald Trump was deliberately corrupted by then-CIA Director John Brennan, FBI Director James Comey and Director of National Intelligence James Clapper, who were “excessively involved” in its drafting, and rushed its completion in a “chaotic,” “atypical” and “markedly unconventional” process that raised questions of a “potential political motive.
    Further, Brennan’s decision to include the discredited Steele dossier, over the objections of the CIA’s most senior Russia experts, “undermined the credibility” of the assessment.
    The “lessons-learned review” found that, on December 6, 2016, six weeks before his presidency ended, Barack Obama ordered the assessment, which concluded that Russian President Vladimir Putin “aspired” to help Trump win the election.
    The review identified “multiple procedural anomalies” that undermined the credibility of the ICA, including “a highly compressed production timeline, stringent compartmentation, and excessive involvement of agency heads.”
    It also questioned the exclusion of key intelligence agencies and said media leaks may have influenced analysts to conform to a false narrative of Trump-Russia collusion.
    “The rushed timeline to publish both classified and unclassified versions before the presidential transition raised questions about a potential political motive behind the White House tasking and timeline.”
    The review found that Brennan directed the compilation of the ICA, and that his, Comey’s and Clapper’s “direct engagement in the ICA’s development was highly unusual in both scope and intensity” and ”risked stifling analytic debate.”
    Brennan handpicked the CIA analysts to compile the ICA and involved only the ODNI, CIA, FBI and NSA, excluding 13 of the then-17 intelligence agencies.
    He sidelined the National Intelligence Council and forced the inclusion of the discredited Steele dossier despite objections of the authors and senior CIA Russia experts, so as to push a false narrative that Russia secured Trump’s 2016 victory.
    “This was Obama, Comey, Clapper and Brennan deciding ‘We’re going to screw Trump,’” said Ratcliffe in an exclusive interview.
    “It was, ‘We’re going to create this and put the imprimatur of an IC assessment in a way that nobody can question it.’ They stamped it as Russian collusion and then classified it so nobody could see it.
    “This led to Mueller [special counsel Robert Mueller’s inquiry, which concluded after two years that there was no Trump-Russia collusion]. It put the seal of approval of the intelligence community that Russia was helping Trump and that the Steele dossier was the scandal of our lifetime. It ate up the first two years of his [Trump’s first] presidency.
    “You see how Brennan and Clapper and Comey manipulated [and] silenced all the career professionals and railroaded the process.”
    The CIA review notes that, before work even began on the ICA, “media leaks suggesting that the Intelligence Community had already reached definitive conclusions risked creating an anchoring.” The term “anchoring” refers to a cognitive bias in psychology and suggests that the media leaks may have influenced the analysts working on the ICA to shape their findings to conform with the leaked narrative rather than conducting an objective analysis.
    On December 9, 2016, both the Washington Post and New York Times reported the IC had “concluded with high confidence that Russia had intervened specifically to help Trump win the election.”
    The Post cited an unnamed US official describing this as the IC’s “consensus view.”
    The “highly compressed timeline was atypical for a formal IC assessment which ordinarily can take months to prepare, especially for assessments of such length, complexity, and political sensitivity,” the review found. “CIA’s primary authors had less than a week to draft the assessment and less than two days to formally coordinate it with IC peers before it entered the formal review process at CIA on December 20.”
    “One CIA analytic manager involved in the process said other analytic managers — who would typically have been part of the review chain — opted out due to the politically charged environment and the atypical prominence of agency leadership in the process.”
    The review criticizes the ICA for including the Steele dossier, a salacious and discredited opposition-research product written by former British spy Christopher Steele, who was working for the Hillary Clinton campaign, which claimed Russia possessed sexually compromising blackmail material on Trump.
    Despite the fact that “the ICA authors and multiple senior CIA managers — including the two senior leaders of the CIA mission center responsible for Russia — strongly opposed including the Dossier, asserting that it did not meet even the most basic tradecraft standards,” Brennan insisted it be included.
    “CIA’s Deputy Director for Analysis (DDA) warned in an email to Brennan on December 29 that including it in any form risked ‘the credibility of the entire paper.’”
    “The decision by agency heads to include the Steele Dossier in the ICA ran counter to fundamental tradecraft principles and ultimately undermined the credibility of a key judgment. The ICA authors first learned of the Dossier, and FBI leadership’s insistence on its inclusion, on December 20 — the same day the largely coordinated draft was entering the review process at CIA,” according to the review. “FBI leadership made it clear that their participation in the ICA hinged on the Dossier’s inclusion and, over the next few days, repeatedly pushed to weave references to it throughout the main body of the ICA.”
    However, the review says that “by placing a reference to the annex material in the main body of the ICA as the fourth supporting bullet for the judgment that Putin ‘aspired’ to help Trump win, the ICA implicitly elevated unsubstantiated claims to the status of credible supporting evidence, compromising the analytical integrity of the judgment.”
    The review is critical of the decision by Brennan, Clapper and Comey to “marginalize the National Intelligence Council (NIC), departing significantly from standard procedures for formal IC assessments.”
    “The NIC did not receive or even see the final draft until just hours before the ICA was due to be published … Typically, the NIC maintains control over drafting assignments, coordination, and review processes.”
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/obama-s-trump-russia-collusion-report-was-corrupt-from-start-cia-review/ar-AA1HQtUh?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=ddb4a49f10514e468789f0ea94cc5f58&ei=51
    😉

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  46. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    Good, justice being upheld then follow the money –
    DOJ indicts suspect who went viral for delivering protective gear to anti-ICE protesters on live TV
    https://currently.att.yahoo.com/news/doj-indicts-suspect-went-viral-225209174.html
    😉

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  47. Scott O Avatar

    The true believers still believe!
    “Joe Biden is sharp as a tack”!
    The real cause of Joe going blank at the debate is finally revealed!
    “Joe Biden’s debate against Donald Trump was supposed to prove the aging president’s stamina. But in the weeks leading up to it he was devastated—and distracted—by his son’s legal travails.”
    Why – that MUST have been the issue! Because right before the debate, Biden was the BEST Biden EVAH!
    Because making a complete fool out of yourself is preferable to admitting you were part of the biggest scandal of any US presidency!
    https://www.wsj.com/politics/elections/how-hunter-biden-helped-derail-his-fathers-reelection-80fd719d

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  48. fish Avatar
    fish

    Love that Typepad software….!

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