[I suppose the one-sided discussion of Trump’s purported lies and lying will continue (Biden’s lies are off limits). Have any of the discussants considered what possible rewarding endpoints there are to such an ongoing debate that is now easily several years old?
In a 2024 Trump/Newsom contest, who would ever want to vote for a lying politician who has no other accomplishment besides always raising taxes and increasing regulations? gjr]
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545 responses to “Sandbox – 23jul22”
PaulE 1028am – Did you forget again that there was nothing Trump could do to “reverse the election” on 6 Jan. All that the president could do and did was to encourage VP Pence to delay certifying the electoral college votes; something Pence could have done in one of several constitutionally sanctioned ways. But none of them would have guaranteed reversing the election’s results. Pence did what he thought was right by certifying the votes, because according to his lights there was not sufficient material evidence for fraud or irregularities in the 2020 election. Try not to keep forgetting all this; it’s not that complicated.
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When you know its all gone to hell –
https://currently.att.yahoo.com/news/buttigieg-edges-biden-among-democrats-165652789.html
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George
Your opinion that Pence had the Constitutional authority to delay certification was not legal according to this legal decision:
IV. Conclusion
As Plaintiffs have established no likelihood of success on the merits here, the Court will
deny their Motion for Preliminary Injunction.
https://ecf.dcd.uscourts.gov/cgi-bin/show_public_doc?2020cv3791-10
What is the legal basis for your opinion George?
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The bottom line George is Pence was told he did not have the Constitutional authority to delay certification of the election. Pence said that himself.
“Our Founders were deeply suspicious of consolidated power in the nation’s capital and were rightly concerned with foreign interference if presidential elections were decided in the capital,” Pence said. “But there are those in our party who believe that as the presiding officer over the joint session of Congress, I possessed unilateral authority to reject electoral college votes. And I heard this week, President Trump said I had the right to ‘overturn the election’. President Trump is wrong…I had no right to overturn the election.”
““Under the Constitution, I had no right to change the outcome of our election. And Kamala Harris will have no right to overturn the election when we beat them in 2024,”
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/03/11/pence-jan-6-election-certification-script-00016539
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In Pence’s own words George:
In a speech to the conservative Federalist Society on Friday, former Vice President Mike Pence rebuked his one time boss, Donald Trump, decrying the notion that he could have overturned the election results on the 45th president’s behalf.
“Our Founders were deeply suspicious of consolidated power in the nation’s capital and were rightly concerned with foreign interference if presidential elections were decided in the capital,” Pence said. “But there are those in our party who believe that as the presiding officer over the joint session of Congress, I possessed unilateral authority to reject electoral college votes. And I heard this week, President Trump said I had the right to ‘overturn the election’. President Trump is wrong…I had no right to overturn the election.”
“Under the Constitution, I had no right to change the outcome of our election. And Kamala Harris will have no right to overturn the election when we beat them in 2024,” he said in his address.
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/02/04/pence-2020-election-january-6-00005846
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ScottO, please send me an email. My contacts list has omitted your new address, etc.
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PaulE – Your citations don’t bear on my 1055am. Please read it again. Congress acknowledges the problem of the VP being able to delay the certification under current law and constitutional interpretation. Both parties acknowledge that with the drafting of a new law to correct the ambiguities in the Electoral Count Act of 1887.
https://www.cato.org/commentary/simple-reforms-could-prevent-election-chaos
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re George 12:31 – You should have it now.
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ScottO 104pm – No joy. Which email provider did you send it to?
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Paul 10:28 – “Besides the Repubs could have been part of it but they chose not to for the very reason they could then deny the validity of it’s findings.”
This is entirely false, Paul – Pelosi took one look at Jordan’s list of witnesses and threw him off. A committee hearing such as this has ALWAYS had members from the oppo party chosen by the minority leader. Here’s your fav news source:
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/21/us/politics/jim-banks-jim-jordan.html
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Paul Emery | 26 July 2022 at 10:28 AM
“Besides the Repubs could have been part of it but they chose not to for the very reason they could then deny the validity of it’s[sic] findings.”
That’s one way to look at it. Another is that the committee lost any measure of legitimacy when Speaker Pelosi denied committee membership of Congressmen Jim Jordan and Jim Banks and the remaining Republicans chose to not participate in an illegitimate committee.
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If you say the Rs “could have been part of it” in the sense that they would sit quietly and only say what Nancy would allow them to say – then yes – they could have participated in a kangaroo court circus.
But that isn’t in the real sense a full and legit participation.
It did have the desired result with a lot of low IQ Americans:
“Is our justice system going to let Donald Trump walk away free just like OJ Simpson?”
https://news.yahoo.com/justice-system-going-let-donald-100000594.html
I’m pretty sure OJ had an actual trial with both sides represented.
The justice dept knows they CAN indict Trump but they can’t get a guilty verdict. Just having Trump tarred with a lop-sided hearing will have to suffice. And it help coverup a lot of questions about what happened on Jan 6th that will never be asked or answered.
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Kesti 113p
But of course Punchy has bee gently informed of that fact on numerous occasions, yet he just keeps punching the same spot.
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Interesting take from Andrew C. McCarthy per usual.
‘Has the Jan. 6 committee done its job? Maybe, if negating Trump was the goal’
https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/3573837-has-the-jan-6-committee-done-its-job-maybe-if-negating-trump-was-the-goal/
https://www.facebook.com/PatriotPost/photos/a.82108390913/10158990166970914/
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Holy Smokes. Heads up
The sky just cut loose with hard rain here. Had to race outside to get car windows up, grab my shoes on the front porch, cover on item under back deck and got soaked in 15 seconds or less. There is still water running off my head.
Water fall from sky. Climate Change.
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PaulE re J6 – Here’s a scholarly article on the legal and historical aspects of verifying elections from the Thomas More Scoiety.
https://mma.prnewswire.com/media/1359230/Electoral_College_Deadlines_White_Paper.pdf
Anyone who thinks the Trump/Pence actions in this matter are settled has their TDS blinders strapped on too tightly.
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Don. Yep, Trump was spot on once again.
Top Federal Reserve Officials With Known Links To China Still Have Their Jobs, Senate Republican Report Says
“China has been conducting its campaign against the Federal Reserve since at least 2013, according to the report, with investigators identifying 13 “persons of interest” at eight of the 12 regional Federal Reserve Banks as of 2015, based on their international travel patterns and other factors. The report details five more recent case studies of China seeking sensitive information from American economists, with four of the mentioned individuals retaining their employment at the central bank, a committee aide told CNN.
An official who had previously held positions at the People’s Bank of China and maintained other links to the Chinese monetary system was forcibly detained on four occasions during a 2019 trip to Shanghai, with Chinese officials allegedly tapping his phones and computers while threatening his family. The Chinese officials claimed that the individual had committed crimes against China and needed to “share sensitive, non-public economic data” with the nation’s government.
According to the report, the Federal Reserve is “not aware” of other instances of Chinese officials forcibly detaining its employees.”
https://www.dailywire.com/news/top-federal-reserve-officials-with-known-links-to-china-still-have-their-jobs-senate-republican-report-says
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‘I’m an Insurrectionist’: Cassidy Hutchinson’s Texts Nuke Her J6 Committee Testimony
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/spencerbrown/2022/07/26/im-an-insurrectionist-cassidy-hutchinson-messages-nuke-her-j6-committee-testi-n2610842
Darn. I kinda liked the tall tale of old Trump putting the limo driver in a chokehold and ripping out the steering wheel. Too bad the actual Secret Service personnel in the limo (two in front seat, one in back seat whose job it is to directly sit facing Trump at all times said the story is fake. The Jan. 6 Committee refuses to have those first hand witnesses testify under oath.
BTW, the Secret Service never ever refers to the limo as ‘the beast.’ That’s a name made up by the media. There is the limo and there is the ‘Camp David Package’. The ‘beast’ is like fingernails on the Chalk Board to me…just as the wrong use of ‘their and there’ is to others.
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Remember when there was such concern that someone might book a suite of rooms at a Trump hotel?
……and again……graft is perfectly acceptable if it’s the right democrats committing it.
Anything to keep that Delaware fuckup’s kid in “hookers and blow” is fair game it seems!
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CDC grilled after revealing it didn’t perform data analysis on COVID-19 vaccine doses
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/restoring-america/faith-freedom/cdc-covid-vaccine-adverse-effects-data
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‘If you are too selfish, you don’t deserve AC, says CNN op-ed’
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/if-you-are-too-selfish-you-dont-deserve-ac-says-cnn-op-ed
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‘The Left Wants To Abolish Everything, Even This Column’
“Some of the more radical environmental groups want to abolish refrigerators (they use too much energy), light bulbs, guns (of course), straws (they kill dolphins), diving boards at pools (too dangerous), charcoal grills and disposable diapers. They want to regulate the temperature on your thermostat in your home in the winter and summer months so you don’t use too much energy. They are talking about wanting to install government-controlled switches so that bureaucrats can set the temperature in your bedroom. The Left wants strict restrictions on how much water can spray out of the nozzle of your shower so that you don’t waste water…..”
“The new law sets strict recycling requirements, but apparently, no one told these genius lawmakers that recycling plastics requires huge amounts of energy, and sorry, that can’t happen if you’re dependent on wind and solar power.
The good news is that at least in America, we still have a right to complain openly about these mounting restrictions on the way we live our lives free of a tyrannical government. But for how long? Liberals will no doubt soon regard columns like this as subversive “hate speech” and abolish this, too.”
https://www.creators.com/read/stephen-moore/07/22/the-left-wants-to-abolish-everything-even-this-column
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I am science. To disagree with me is to disagree with science.
LOOK BACK IN ANGER
You may recall the 1964 fantasy film The 7 Faces of Dr. Lao. Steven Mosher’s New York Post column now gives us the 5 fallacies of Dr. Fauci. (He could easily have made it 7 or more, for that matter.) According to Mosher, the 5 fallacies of Dr. Fauci include contact tracing, failing to protect the vulnerable, closing the schools, mistakes on natural immunity, and funding Chinese labs. This one doesn’t number among the five, but rather sets the theme:
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2022/07/look-back-in-anger-4.php
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Now Sri Lanka has no food, hows that going to work out pm dumb and dumber –
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/07/26/canadas-trudeau-declares-war-on-fertilizer-following-the-footsteps-of-sri-lanka/
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Lets try this George. Do you believe Pence should have followed Trumps request to not certify the election on Jan 6 even though his legal council recommended he not do it?
“Pence Aide Warned Against Blocking Electoral College Count, Memo Shows
Shortly before Jan. 6, Vice President Mike Pence’s chief counsel wrote that holding up the certification of the election results would violate federal law.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/11/us/politics/pence-jan-6-election-trump.html
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Paul – “Lets try this…”
Trump, Trump, Trump…
Gee Paul – what did Nancy Pelosi’s memos show?
Paul – “Duh – I dunno.”
That’s right and you never will know.
This is why it’s important to have Paul post here. He’s the perfect example of the idiot American that gets led around by the nose.
Remember – there really are some Americans that still think Biden is doing a good job. Paul is one of them.
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PaulE 459pm – Give up on your gotcha moment. One more time – Pence was not concerned with Trump’s “request”, only on following his own assessment as to the sufficient validity of the election.
You progressive pilgrims really have it where the sun don’t shine. Trump had no influence on the how the electoral vote was counted by Congress. But that doesn’t fit with your narrative to keep the focus on Trump (absent any national policies which the voters may favor), now does it?
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Let’s try this… Punch, why do you think Mike Pence’s chief counsel’s farts don’t stink?
What did this chief counsel do to become the go-to expert on this matter?
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Paul confuses opinions with facts. And he values opinions based not on who opined them but whether or not they seem to support his world view.
At a given time.
The same opinion will be disparaged or ignored if tomorrow brings a new world view for Paul.
And it seems tomorrow often does.
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So then George the right thing happened when Pence denied to stop the process. One more question, if the process would have been halted as Trump requested who would be the President till things became settled?
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Paul – “So then George the right thing happened when Pence denied to stop the process.”
No Paul – that’s not what he wrote.
Not that you notice or care.
How about we put it on your grave marker?
Would that make you feel better?
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Meanwhile the hysteria continues:
“Merrick Garland calls Justice Department’s Jan. 6 probe the ‘most wide ranging investigation in its history’”
Well, I’m sure it is for Garland. It even goes beyond the parents that were described as ‘terrorists’ by the Justice Dept.
We can expect this spittle blowing to continue right up to the mid-terms.
When all you have are lemons, throw them in the septic tank and tell Americans you’re making sweet, sweet, lemonade.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/merrick-garland-not-rule-prosecuting-trump-jan-6-rcna40092
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So the chi coms have bought and paid for the big guy et al and now they are undermining the fed –
https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/china-targeted-federal-reserve-employees-attempt-undermine-american-monetary-policy-senate-report
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The ponytail of ignorance “one more question” That will be the day we will never see. ROFLOL
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Paul Emery | 26 July 2022 at 06:38 PM
“…if the [electoral] process would have been halted…who would be the President…?”
Until Jan 20, Trump would still have been POTUS. After that, I don’t know…
If you intended to ask who would be the president-elect then nobody would until the matter was settled. I think this would not be a crisis, at least not until Jan 20.
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So Scott then do you believe that the process should have been halted on Jan 6 ? If so then would Trump then remain as President till the thing was sorted out?
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Don 6:51 – Garland hasn’t got time for that – he has to go after Trump!
Who cares what those Chi-Coms are up to?
They are reputed to pay well – what’s the problem?
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And they wonder why she can not keep staff in her office –
Twitter blows up over Kamala Harris introducing herself with ‘she/her’ pronouns, description of her clothing
Harris tells roundtable, ‘I am a woman sitting at the table wearing a blue suit’
https://www.foxnews.com/media/twitter-blows-up-over-kamala-harris-introducing-herself-pronouns-description-clothing
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Posted by: Paul Emery | 26 July 2022 at 06:56 PM
So Scott then do you believe that the process should have been halted on Jan 6 ? If so then would Trump then remain as President till the thing was sorted out?
So psul…….. Trump, Trump, Trumpity Trump ta ta ta da Trump….
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‘FDA Warns of Brain Swelling and Permanent Vision Loss in Kids Taking Puberty Blockers’
https://intellectualtakeout.org/2022/07/fda-warns-of-brain-swelling-and-permanent-vision-loss-in-kids-taking-puberty-blockers/
Hmm. What say you, Admiral?
Rachel Levine blasted for call to ‘support and empower’ youth with transgender treatments: ‘Unserious regime’
“Former Dept. of Education press secretary Angela Morabito tweeted, “Perhaps the only thing sicker than cheerleading the sterilization of children is calling it ‘empowerment.’”
https://www.foxnews.com/media/rachel-levine-blasted-call-support-empower-youth-transgender-treatments-unserious-regime
Hmm.
Rachel Levine’s ‘gender affirmation’ echo chamber
“Transgender Assistant Secretary for Health Rachel Levine insists “there is no argument” among doctors specializing in kids and teens about “the value and importance of gender-affirming care” — i.e. the use of hormones and puberty blockers — for the young. Bull.
In fact, Levine and the Biden administration simply refuse to listen to anyone who disagrees, including medical organizations across the globe.”
https://nypost.com/2022/05/03/rachel-levines-gender-affirmation-ignores-science/
And what do you want on your tombstone, little pilgrim’s progressives?
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“So Scott then do you believe that the process should have been halted on Jan 6 ? If so then would Trump then remain as President till the thing was sorted out?”
Yeah, that awful POTUS Trump would remain in office and we’d sort it out.
Problem?
Or are you happier with record inflation, war in the Ukraine, and a recession?
Simple question, Paul – yes or no.
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Don 7:06 – She’s not a biologist. How the hell does she know?
As far as claiming she’s in a blue suit – I guess that puts her ahead of Biden – he probably can’t remember if he has clothes on or not.
Oh wait – I see some one else caught the biologist angle.
I’m sorry – it’s hard for me to read these articles and not start commenting on the insanity before getting through the part where others comment.
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Emperor Fauci, Lord of the “Science”
“I knew the first time I saw this pompous, egomaniacal jackass that he would be nothing but trouble for the citizenry, and he has fully lived up to expectations. In several recent TV interviews, one of which was a disaster because he was challenged instead of fawned over, Lord Fauci has fully revealed what a disgracefully incompetent but patronizing, sanctimonious asshole he is. This guy was a lifelong government bureaucrat for a reason–he gets paid a fortune, will have a huge pension and he never accomplishes anything, in fact he routinely makes whatever he works on worse. Only in government can you hit the lottery like this.“
https://healthy-skeptic.com/2022/07/26/emperor-fauci-lord-of-the-science/
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Not even cnn is buying that bullshit –
CNN panel rejects Biden White House spin attempting to change definition of recession: ‘You can’t fake this!’
The Biden administration is attempting to redefine what a recession is ahead of new GDP data
https://www.foxnews.com/media/cnn-panel-rejects-biden-white-house-spin-attempting-change-definition-recession?dicbo=v2-d180605931c9e924a8b6bf69aa2a5169
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Nice to see they’re concentrating on what’s important:
New York City asked the World Health Organization (WHO) on Tuesday to rename the monkeypox virus to avoid stigmatizing patients who might then hold off on seeking care.
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Scott @ 7:31 pm, referring to Don’s 7:06 pm
“She is not a biologist”. Perhaps we should ask Willie Brown. Only he would know for sure.
THESE PEOPLE ARE CRAZY
Kamala Harris hosted some kind of event earlier today. Several mask-wearing (why?) women participated. As is now common in gatherings of liberals, they began the meeting by introducing themselves and stating their pronouns. And, weirdly, by describing themselves–their hair color, the dresses they were wearing, whatever. This might possibly make sense if it were a meeting of blind people, otherwise not. Utterly bizarre.
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2022/07/these-people-are-crazy.php
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I do wish that my conservative friends where more up on these things.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBRtucXGeNQ&t=35s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBRtucXGeNQ&t=66s
We are falling behind the curve. Time to up our game. Now, let’s use those Jazz Hands, people.
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So Scott, you are all favor of Trump flipping the election through Pence not certifying the votes on Jan 6 . Amazing. By the way what would Trump have done to not have the war in Ukraine with Russia.
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Don 7:44 – Re-naming Monkey Pox fits in with the White House trying to redefine what a recession is. Don’t like the facts – then just change the names and definitions.
“”We have a growing concern for the potentially devastating and stigmatizing effects that the messaging around the ‘monkeypox’ virus can have on… already vulnerable communities,” New York City public health commissioner Ashwin Vasan said in a letter to WHO chief Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus dated Tuesday.”
It gets better:
“He pointed to the fact that monkeypox did not actually originate in primates, as the name might suggest, and recalled the negative effects of misinformation during the early days of the HIV epidemic and the racism faced by Asian communities that was exacerbated by former president Donald Trump calling Covid-19 the “China virus.””
So – we just let the gays keep on doing what they do and re-name the virus they pass on and that will make it all better.
Worked a treat for HIV didn’t it”
Right?
And how many thousands died needlessly?
And what about Nancy telling folks to “come on down to Chinatown and mingle”?
There are those of us who live in reality and those of us who try to bend reality to their fantasy.
Guess who wins?
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The terminal TDS affliction really does make mush of the sufferers’ brains.
Vlad would never have invaded in the first place if Trump were in charge. Do you really think creepy grampa joe and the kakkler give anyone a pause out of fear? ROFLOL
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What I see here is a failure to communicate. Mike K has already answered Punchy’s question.
Whether Mike Pence delayed the certification of the electors on Jan 6 on not, Trump would still be President until noon on Jan 20, 2021. I seem to recall Al Gore petitioning (suing) the Court to stop the election process in FL.
Perhaps someone can translate for our former news redirector. He seems to be in some sort of pain.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GDiOBA7Yyg
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Posted by: psul Emery | 26 July 2022 at 08:01 PM
Strong play……! I’d have quickly changed the subject too.
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Don writes: “Vlad would never have invaded in the first place if Trump were in charge.”
What evidence to you havve for that Don or is it just your opinion?
Bill, you’re not doing you’re homework when you state Al Gore petitioned the court in 2000. Indeed he did but he conceded on December 13 not Jan 6. He was a class act when he said:
“I accept the finality of the outcome, which will be ratified next Monday in the Electoral College” he said. “And tonight, for the sake of our unity as a people and the strength of our democracy, I offer my concession.”
Gore had won the national popular vote by more than 500,000 votes, but narrowly lost Florida, giving the Electoral College to Bush 271 to 266. He lost Florida by only 537 votes.
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