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[I suppose the one-sided discussion of Trump’s purported lies and lying will continue (Biden’s lies are off limits).  Have any of the discussants considered what possible rewarding endpoints there are to such an ongoing debate that is now easily several years old?

In a 2024 Trump/Newsom contest, who would ever want to vote for a lying politician who has no other accomplishment besides always raising taxes and increasing regulations?  gjr]

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  1. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Oh Scott you have no sense of humor. I guess Trump, the self proclaimed pussy grabber can’t take a joke.

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  2. Michael Kesti Avatar
    Michael Kesti

    Paul Emery | 24 July 2022 at 04:59 PM
    And it differs from shouting “Fire.”, in a theater, because it is reasonable to expect those in the theater to panic from the thought that they are about to immediately die in flames while it is not reasonable to expect anybody (except, perhaps, TDS sufferers) to think that “Fight like hell.”, is a call to riot.

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  3. Michael Kesti Avatar
    Michael Kesti

    fish | 24 July 2022 at 05:16 PM
    Nobody is forcing you to waste your time. If you don’t like it then don’t read it.

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  4. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Well he did say “Fight like hell.” and there was a riot and people died Michael. Are you saying they weren’t related?

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  5. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    Talk about a steaming pile of TDS @550 The only person who died was shot by capitol police. What a maroon. LOL
    😉

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  6. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    Hey look they are pulling an psul emery –
    White House says a second consecutive quarter of negative GDP ‘unlikely’ to be indicative of recession
    A Republican National Committee spokesperson said that this further underscore how ‘out of touch’ President Biden is with Americans
    https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/white-house-says-second-consecutive-quarter-negative-gdp-unlikely-indicative-recession
    😉

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  7. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Here’s details Don from a bi-partisan committee
    “Five people died during or after the attack, including four protesters and one police officer, and approximately 140 officers suffered injuries, according to the Department of Justice.Five people died during or after the attack, including four protesters and one police officer, and approximately 140 officers suffered injuries, according to the Department of Justice.”
    https://abcnews.go.com/US/numbers-jan-investigation-shaping-year/story?id=82057743

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  8. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Off to a movie about somebody named Elvis Cheer’s

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  9. Scott O Avatar

    Paul – “Here’s details Don from a bi-partisan committee
    “Five people died during or after the attack, including four protesters and one police officer, …”
    Ah yes – the bi-partisan committee.
    And Paul believes this? His absolute inanity is proudly on display.
    Or ‘after the attack’.
    But Paul – everyone will die ‘after’ the attack.
    Just as everyone will die after the Biden administration.
    You see, folks – it’s like a cat toying with the unfortunate mouse.
    Paul flails and comes up with one pathetic maneuver after another, just as the trapped mouse tries one futile move after another.
    He now actually is proud of pointing out a birth defect as a method of personal attack.
    Pretty sure that has always been considered in polite and intelligent company as something only the bottom of society comes up with.
    It just shows how desperate and pathetic he is.
    Didn’t Paul complain about some one making fun of him?
    I believe so. But – in line with Paul’s “flexible” morals and civic principles, he will admonish others’ behaviors while committing the same sins, of which he has already pardoned himself of.
    And yes – I ended a sentence with a grammatical sin myself.
    A slap on the wrist and another rum and PAB with soda.
    I certainly hope Paul enjoys the movie “Elvis Cheers”.
    Although what Elvis is cheering is quite beyond me.
    Or is there some one named – Elvis Cheers?

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  10. Scott O Avatar

    Don 6:05 – Haven’t you heard? The traditional definition of a recession is out. Get with it, Don – be hip. There’s a new, new definition of a recession and this ain’t it.
    We’re in – wait for it – “transition”.
    Yellen did soooo well with calling it on inflation, we’re all ears as she lays it out on the wonderful financial world we’re in. Best quote:
    “But we’re in a period of transition in which growth is slowing,” she said. “That’s necessary and appropriate, and we need to be growing at a steady and sustainable pace.”
    Yep – slow growth. That’s the ticket!
    I can remember Democrats from way back promising slow growth as the secret to our nation’s financial success.
    While we have near record inflation we also NEED slow growth.
    Also:
    “Consumer spending remains solid. It’s continuing to grow.”
    Yeah – just look at the people at the gas pump – solid spending! It’s wonderful!
    At at the grocery store? Why people are spending more than ever! It’s wonderful!!
    Holy shit – this country is going off a cliff and these people are just thrilled.
    https://www.axios.com/2022/07/24/janet-yellen-recession-economy

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  11. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    Gee Scott one might think its all part of the intended outcomes or something.
    😉

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  12. Michael Kesti Avatar
    Michael Kesti

    Paul Emery | 24 July 2022 at 05:50 PM
    No, I’m not saying that they aren’t related but that there is no clear indication that one led to the other nor that it was Trump’s intention to call for a riot. Do search for the phrase and find that many politicians, mostly Dems such as Maxine Waters and Elizabeth Warren, have used the phrase in recent times. I don’t imagine that they intended to incite riots nor would I find them culpable if riots occurred after making such statements.

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  13. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Scott
    a word of caution. I once had a next door neighbor who owned a good Body Shop who had to fire s good bodyman because the gentleman drank rub and coca-cola had had unbearable farts that they stunk up the shop bigley. i remember that next day fowl ordor expelled from myself when I was on my rum and coke run. Then I one day switched to Gregory’s gin and toxic with a twist of lime for a goodly spell. Then I can’t remember. Then end.

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  14. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    The ponytail of ignorance is nothing if not gullible as a useful idiot. The only death was the air force vet shot by a capitol police force member. Thats the truth the rest is meant to fill the mush that is left between the ears of TDS sufferers. –
    Ocasio-Cortez’s tally also includes two rally participants who died of heart failure — including one who died before other protesters had breached the Capitol. It includes a rallygoer who was initially believed to have been trampled to death in the mayhem that day, but was later determined to have died of an accidental overdose.
    https://www.factcheck.org/2021/11/how-many-died-as-a-result-of-capitol-riot/
    😉

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  15. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Scott
    naked link. better than Irish rotgut.
    https://youtu.be/ia8x5r5WDQA

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  16. Scott O Avatar

    BT – no, not rum and Coka-Cola
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiayZdPESno
    I don’t buy that crap. The secret is to only have one or two. Not drain the bottle.
    G and Ts with ice and slice is a fav on a hot day but damn – there’s so much sugar in that tonic.
    I can’t do that but on a rare occasion.
    And no – the diet tonic water is crap and I would rather just sip some Ken-Tuck Corn.

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  17. Scott O Avatar

    BT- you posted while I was thinking the same way.
    Great minds and all that.
    I got delayed while watching an ebay listing close.
    Price went way past my price range.

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  18. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Scott O
    You capitalistic pig.

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  19. Scott O Avatar

    Don – how dare you bring up AOC!
    She valiantly was dragged away by her elbow just barely touched by a uniformed thug she has previously declared her undying love for as a savior from the murderous hordes who stormed a building she wasn’t even in.
    Now these same NAZIs have the nerve to tell her she can’t stand out in the street.
    They faux-cuffed her and if she hollers make her pay 50 dollars every day.
    Biden watched it all from his omniscient post and did nothing to stop the mayhem.
    Paul will be after him soon.

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  20. Scott O Avatar

    BT 7:39 – Capitalist? Yes! Pig?
    Yankee Dollar or ebay?
    Waitress!

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  21. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    The TDS runs deep in this one almost as bad as the ponytail of ignorance. Fragility, i thought being on time, adding numbers and achievement were part of the systematic racism? –
    New York Times columnist writes the country will ‘collapse’ if Trump isn’t prosecuted
    Charles Blow wrote that Trump supporters are ‘suckers’ and Trump ‘affirmed their white nationalism’ and ‘white fragility’
    https://www.foxnews.com/media/new-york-times-columnist-writes-country-collapse-trump-prosecuted
    😉

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  22. Scott O Avatar

    “New York Times columnist writes the country will ‘collapse’ if Trump isn’t prosecuted”
    So – we don’t prosecute based on any actual crime – we just go after our political enemies.
    Thanks for being honest Charles.

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  23. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    The chi coms are not what they wish us to belive, reality is catching up and we can still clip a few more feathers off their wings –
    A US-initiated chip alliance with Asian economies, especially South Korea, is facing criticism from China, which is concerned about losing critical supplies as it seeks to build greater self-sufficiency in semiconductors, according to analysts and media reports.
    The so-called Chip 4 Alliance, a partnership envisioned by the US to include South Korea, Japan and Taiwan, is seen by Beijing as Washington’s plot to exclude China from semiconductor value chains, with both China’s foreign ministry and commerce ministry expressing opposition to the idea
    China is particularly sensitive about the position of South Korea as the country is key to Beijing’s semiconductor self-sufficiency drive. Samsung Electronics and SK Hynix both have plants in China, helping the country to integrate into cross-border value chains.
    “South Korea should not blindly follow the US and the West in making its China policy”, according to an editorial published this week by nationalist tabloid Global Times. It added that China should not be blamed if it takes “countermeasures against South Korea” if the country chooses to side with Washington.
    https://currently.att.yahoo.com/finance/news/why-china-concerned-prospect-south-093000358.html
    😉

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  24. Scott O Avatar

    I hope Tucker has some very good security for himself and his family.
    He calls out everyone regardless of political affiliation.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApfU152awvw

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  25. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    i’m out of tonic water, and i like diet tonic. Schweppes is better than plain wrap.
    drinking a paloma at the moment… tequila and grapefruit soda. yum.

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  26. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Tucker? How about DeSantis! He is stirring up the crowd and telling them to get ready to fight. A secret decoder ring code for dog whistle time. They are going to take up arms and march on Washington! Somebody stop the insurrectionist before we lose our….d.ddd d demm, demographic..I’m sorry..our demography….our demoastrope..you know, the thing.
    DeSantis Urges Florida GOP To Be Ready For Battle: ‘I’ve Only Begun To Fight’
    https://www.dailywire.com/news/desantis-urges-florida-gop-to-be-ready-for-battle-ive-only-begun-to-fight
    ———————
    Danger, danger. The Christians are coming, the CHRISTIANS ARE COMING! They are going to put you all back in chains! They hate women and will take over our schools and kill all the gays.
    Florida Man Bad.
    DeSantis: ‘Take A Stand Against The Left’s Schemes’ By Putting On ‘The Full Armor Of God’
    https://www.dailywire.com/news/desantis-take-a-stand-against-the-lefts-schemes-by-putting-on-the-full-armor-of-god
    ————
    In related full blown unadulterated fear running amok causing total meltdowns…
    ‘NY Times Splashes Liberal Hysterics on Front Page: Interracial Marriage Under Threat?’
    https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/clay-waters/2022/07/23/ny-times-splashes-liberal-hysterics-front-page-interracial-marriage
    ———
    Connect the dots, people.
    MSN Headline: ‘Homophobic Telescope Reveals First Hi-Res Images of Deep Space’
    https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/pj-gladnick/2022/07/23/msn-headline-homophobic-telescope-reveals-first-hi-res-images-deep
    ———————-
    I love it when they go full Jussie Smollett.
    MALCOLM NANCE PREDICTS WEEKLY IMPEACHMENTS, JAILING OF JAN. 6 COMMITTEE, NO MORE ELECTIONS EVER IF REPUBLICANS WIN
    ‘They will vote through every piece of legislation, and defund every component of the United States government’
    ————————-
    Well, he certainly calls ‘em like he sees ‘em. Female James Bond is too much for the man.
    BILL MAHER TEARS INTO ‘WOKE, P*SSIFIED’ JAMES BOND: ‘PRACTICALLY STOPS OFF AT TARGET TO BUY TAMPONS’
    https://news.grabien.com/story-bill-maher-tears-woke-pssified-james-bond-practically-stops

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  27. Scott O Avatar

    Gregory, Gregory, Gregory – what am I to do with a person that will tolerate diet tonic water?
    Bleagh!
    I hope that Tequila is at least Patron or something of similar or better grade.
    Friends don’t let friends drink diet anything.

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  28. Scott O Avatar

    Malcolm Nance?
    Dat crazy mon.
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/malcolm-nance-says-republicans-are-e2-80-98insurgency-e2-80-99-looking-to-kill-e2-80-98neighbors-e2-80-99-we-may-have-to-fight-them/ar-AAZCozr
    Best line:
    “we have 30% of the population of the United States who no longer believe in the democratic norms that we established in the founding of the country.”
    This from the folks saying we need to tear up the Constitution.
    Who is the “we” he is talking about?
    Anyway – he needs to be on the news every night with this stuff.

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  29. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    ‘Medical schools risk accreditation for not teaching antiracism ‘competencies,’ med group warns’
    “Just by invoking competences, AAMC is making clear to medical schools they’ll be grilled in accreditation visits on how they are training med students in antiracism activities, said Goldfarb, a professor and former associate dean of instruction in the University of Pennsylvania School of Medicine.
    Even if schools have a “fair amount of latitude” to implement the competencies, they would still have to use the “particular methodologies” of antiracism and teach through the lens of oppression, according to Goldfarb. “Depending on how they’re implemented, they can be very discriminatory,” he warned.”
    https://justthenews.com/accountability/watchdogs/medical-schools-risk-accreditation-not-teaching-antiracism-competencies
    ———————
    Dammit. Now I am obliged to defend Joe Biden. Rats. Principles above non-personalities. If only Biden had any inkling of charisma like Obama or Bubba, he would be easier to defend. If only Biden has ever shown a sign of intelligence, he would….ah, never mind. Play the cards you are dealt with. Here goes:
    Hey, Biden is not working while sick. His calendar is cleared, even schedule phone calls aka, phone appointments. His schedule is cleared put a lid on it. Lid week. Poor guy, one overseas trip has proven much too taxing on his diminishing strength. Stop elder abuse!
    There, I defended Joe Biden.
    Woke Doctor: Biden ‘Working While Having COVID Infection Epitomizes White Supremacy Urgency’
    https://www.dailywire.com/news/woke-doctor-biden-working-while-having-covid-infection-epitomizes-white-supremacy-urgency

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  30. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Will the issue of guns and abortions turn out enough Dem voters to minimize their November losses? AOC won her primary in a heavily Dem district with a 21% voter turnout. An adjoining New York congressional district had 19% turnout, thus the winner only needed only 10% of the registered vote to seal the deal.
    The November Numbers Game
    https://townhall.com/columnists/erickerickson/2022/07/23/the-november-numbers-game-n2610690

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  31. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    We are in a recession when we say you are. The holistic approach.
    HOW TO TELL WE ARE IN A RECESSION
    https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2022/07/how-to-tell-we-are-in-a-recession.php

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  32. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Michael Kesti | 24 July 2022 at 05:35 PM
    fish | 24 July 2022 at 05:16 PM
    Nobody is forcing you to waste your time. If you don’t like it then don’t read it.

    I’m not wasting my time. In my opinion the rest of you are clearly wasting yours! This because you guys (not Tozer…he clearly understands what he’s dealing with in Punchy), for the most part try to honestly engage him. This is a clear mistake! He whines for links and then states openly he doesn’t read them. He spent the last four years decrying lying politicians but champions the most mendacious, pompous, mediocrity (OK…..I understand liking someone that you have something in common with and psul is clearly a mendacious, pompous mediocrity) to waste time in the senate in the last century. Lastly he can’t stop wasting everyones time here about Trump. Trump certainly has given a sad old man a reason to go on living but most here are having no difficulty bidding him farewell. Part of the reason I horselaugh so hard when psul breathlessly regales us with word that someone in his coterie is being investigated and will be “going to the slam any day now….just you watch….justice will be served”!
    When I engage psul I know exactly what I’m doing……as I said “I’m here for the mockery”.

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  33. Michael Kesti Avatar
    Michael Kesti

    fish | 25 July 2022 at 07:27 AM
    You sound much like a prog/lib/lefty/dem who knows what’s best for others.

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  34. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Michael Kesti | 25 July 2022 at 07:58 AM
    You sound much like a prog/lib/lefty/dem who knows what’s best for others.

    Funny…you don’t sound like the Michael Kesti I remember.

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  35. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    fish
    what do you know about my personal life to say I’m a “sad old man”? Anybody who knows me knows that’s not true including our host. I mean that comes cor someone using the fake name “fish” because is ashamed to use his own name when he posts on this blog

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  36. Michael Kesti Avatar
    Michael Kesti

    Paul Emery | 25 July 2022 at 08:23 AM
    What do you know about his personal life to say he is ashamed?

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  37. psfish Avatar
    psfish

    Posted by: psul Emery | 25 July 2022 at 08:23 AM
    …..psssst…..remember psul…..you’re not supposed to respond to me.

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  38. George Rebane Avatar

    We need take care not to confuse someone stating their opinion, recommendation, or preference with a person who “knows what’s best for others.”

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  39. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Why else wold he not use it Michael? You and I both use our real names because we’re proud of our opinions and what we stand for. Though our opinions may differ I still have respect for yours but using a fake name implies that you don’t want to take personal responsibility for your opinions amongst people who know you such as friends, family or business connections.

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  40. psfish Avatar
    psfish

    Posted by: Paul Emery | 25 July 2022 at 08:36 AM
    ….and as is to be expected psul is again reality challenged. My name was revealed 7 years ago…..and frankly I’m surprised it took Tub o Guts that long (a little over three years) to figure it out…..but whaddya going to do!
    As recently as the last month when you thought you were getting ready to make another patented psul brand™ devastating point you asked…..for the 50th time why I use a blog handle!
    Because I’m used to it…..

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  41. Michael Kesti Avatar
    Michael Kesti

    George Rebane | 25 July 2022 at 08:34 AM
    Point taken.
    Paul Emery | 25 July 2022 at 08:36 AM
    I don’t know you very well but well enough to know that you possess sufficient creativity and imagination to realize that there may be valid reasons one might choose to use an online pseudoname. As it is, this criticism is yet another example of moving the goalposts.

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  42. psfish Avatar
    psfish

    Posted by: psul Emery | 25 July 2022 at 08:23 AM
    fish
    what do you know about my personal life to say I’m a “sad old man”? Anybody who knows me knows that’s not true including our host. I mean that comes cor someone using the fake name “fish” because is ashamed to use his own name when he posts on this blog

    Actually I don’t know anything about your personal life…..but I’ve been doing this here for a decade (what was I thinking) and as you might imagine I have other people in my life who wonder why I’m always commenting on Georges page. My wife was the one who after reading over my shoulder thought that you were just a “sad old man” and that I ought to not engage you.
    At the height of Obama stupidity the non-progs here didn’t spend a tenth as much time thinking about him that you do thinking about Trump.
    Like I said…..he’s given you a reason to go on living.

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  43. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    fish
    A tiny part of my time is spend punching away on this blog. It’s just so easy and Trump is such a wide open target with absolutely no defense except from a few like the circles on this blog.

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  44. psfish Avatar
    psfish

    Posted by: psul Emery | 25 July 2022 at 09:10 AM
    See…..Trump, Trump, Trump!
    Your obsession….

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  45. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE 910am – If what you claim about Trump had even a sliver of truth to it, then the entire Democratic Party along with their socialist faction and grassroots supporters like you would not be scared shitless of the man, and not devote hours of lamestream media time daily, in addition to countless daily denunciations by Dem bigwigs and the ongoing desperate prime time J6 show trial, and, of course, sniping by loyal leftwing pikers like you doing what they can across the land.
    No person in US history has received so much attention and vituperation for so long and from so many. They all know that Trump still has way too many millions of defenders/supporters to give them any comfort in defeating the man in 2024 with any of the yokels they have available. Between now and then he must be summarily destroyed. Your perception of “except from a few like the circles on this blog” is simply a delusion in which you continue to take great comfort.

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  46. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    George
    Quite to the contrary I am not scared shitless of Trump winning the election. He is the biggest political loser in modern history etc…He will be easy pickins for any Democratic candidate in’24 for sure and it won’t be Biden.
    I am astounded that you support him as much as you do. Would you have been ok if Pence would have done his bidding and stopped the election process therefore preventing Biden from taking office? You also seem to say it’s OK if Trump outright lied to try to change the election by telling Georga Sec of State Brad Raffensperger “We won Georgia easily. We won it by hundreds of thousands of votes.” He said that while in the role of President not as a joke to achieve the goal of reversing the election. He had no support from the DOJ, his lawyers, election officers, Sec of State or Cabinet How can you possibly support that George? He had not one shred of evidence to justify that statement and it was entirely a made up lie to support his desire to flip the election by any means possible.

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  47. psfish Avatar
    psfish

    Posted by: psul Emery | 25 July 2022 at 10:20 AM
    C’mon….don’t you guys want to talk about Trump…..? Guys….? Cmon….Trump! Trump?!?!?
    Your obsession….

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  48. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    George
    It could come down to Newsom-Trump in ’24. If so there would be real competition for the lesser of two evils.

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  49. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    scotto 958p
    You can have my diet tonic when you pry it from my cold, dead hands, and Patron is crap made by a hairdresser, put into a fancy bottle and sold for more money than it’s worth to guys who would otherwise be drinking Cuervo Especial mystery juice.
    My bargain tokillya anejo today is a 100% Blue Agave from Jalisco. Yum.
    Having come, take!

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  50. fish Avatar
    fish

    There’s delusional….and then there’s delusional!

    Go out big. You defeated Donald Trump, saving democracy. You managed a once-in-a-century pandemic. You kept unemployment low. You broke the long-standing gridlock on infrastructure and gun safety. You named the first Black woman to the Supreme Court and delivered the first Black, South Asian, and female vice president. You maintained NATO unity in the face of Russian aggression.

    I can only assume the author is part of the growing mass of progressives trying to “honey talk” Ol Dementia Joe out of very publicly going down in flames during the next general and even though “shame” isn’t something progressives do, the optics of losing Mondale style would be bad!
    https://washingtonmonthly.com/2022/07/25/dont-run-joe-second-terms-suck/

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