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George Rebane

Probability is the measure of possibility.

H&I fires.  The Russians are using an unusually insidious, deadly, and dastardly artillery tactic to kill fleeing civilians on negotiated evacuation routes.  The tactic is called Harassment and Interdiction fires, and are designed to deny the enemy free use of designated areas over extended periods.  H&I fires are conducted randomly with high explosive shells fired from one or two tubes, and set to denote at 50-150 feet above ground level.  This results in an anti-personnel ‘kill circle’ of at least 200-300 feet radius depending on shell size.  Historically artillery is the biggest killer on the battlefield, spraying shrapnel (extremely jagged and irregularly shaped pieces of steel ranging from bullet to tennis ball sizes) at extreme velocities around the detonation point.  And whereas small arms military bullets travel at around 3,000 ft/sec, shrapnel comes at you at over 20,000 ft/sec.  Targeting H&I fires on escape routes that are used only once by escapees is like shooting fish in a barrel – they never know whether or when its incoming, and they’re always out in the open.  I wonder what a Russian battery commander feels when ordered to schedule H&I fires that he knows will kill/maim only civilians?  Talk about war crimes.

Minds that never will meet.  We have yet one more example of the Great Divide in progress.  In my recent ‘Pentagon teaches socialism’ post’s comment stream we have one of our longtime leftwing readers deny acceptance of this important piece of anti-American news, why? because he considers the cited Newsmax “hardly a credible news source”.  This reader is an established representative of this kind of progressive mentality – if the messenger is unfavorable, summarily reject the message.  He never even bothered to examine the further referenced links which would have taken him to the DoD website where the conference was announced, described, and additional links provided.  Instead, he and his consider CNN, MSNBC, NYT, WaPo, … and other lamestream news media as reliable, no matter that they don’t report news that doesn’t comport with the DNC narrative, and are unrepentant and uncontrite about most items they falsely report and/or spin.  People of the Right have no problem consuming leftwing news and progressive literature – we demand to know it.  However, those of the Left never lift the blinders they had carefully installed during their K-12 years.  Such news consumption practices of the Left and Right are but one of many asymmetries that have made meaningful communication between the sides a rapidly fading episode in our country’s history.

[10mar22 update]  Re the restraining order on my daughter.  Nearly everything that has been admitted as evidence from the plaintiff at the hearing is a lie as corroborated by the available videos and the physics of the possible (e.g. see 1032am comment below).  The judgement was a preordained political act.

[12mar22 update]  Putin’s Rasputin bubble?  Perhaps a little play on words, but a friend and reader sent me a link and asked whether I had ever heard of Aleksandr Gelyevich Dugin.  It turns out that Dugin has been the political philosopher and intellectual ideologue of Putin’s inner circle for some time now, dishing out his esoteric views on neo-fascist ‘Eurasianism’. (more here)  Now I have never heard of Dugin or even that Putin has had an ‘inner circle’ of confidants.  From what has been reported it appears that Putin has used the Machiavellian structure of alternating advisor circles whose members are political enemies of adjacent circles, thereby making it hard for a court conspiracy to mature sufficiently to topple the prince.  But according to the referenced article, it appears that Putin’s Rasputin may have successfully implanted his ideas about the historical resurgence of a post-czarist Russia extending from the Atlantic to the Pacific.  “Gestated in anti-communist right-wing activism during the waning days of the Soviet Union, indebted to a specifically anti-liberal and anti-Enlightenment philosophical embrace of authoritarianism, irrationalism, and hyper-nationalism, Dugin dreams of a reborn Orthodox Tsarist state surpassing the borders and spheres of influence as they existed before 1989, of a Novorossiya (New Russia) built not on socialist principles, but fascist ones.” 

The mentality of a Russian soldier has always been a puzzle to westerners since at least the 1905 Russo-Japanese War.  (Recall that my grandfather was a czarist conscript in that war, transported to and from Pacific rim battles on the trans-Siberian railroad in cattle cars which served as troop trains for Russian soldiers.)  The Russian soldier has been distinguished by his overall and abysmal ignorance of his mission, especially as it fits into the geo-strategic situation du jour, and his lack of what the western soldier knows as patriotism.  The Russian soldier always has found himself poorly led and poorly outfitted – his main goal is just to stay alive and go back home.  To achieve this, he will follow any orders and do anything that lets him survive the day.  Questioning authority is an unknown concept as long as it doesn’t put his life in immediate danger.  However, he has been known to sabotage his own equipment, and even his own body, in order to avoid being thrown into the next maelstrom from which retreat often means summary execution.  In this light one can understand Russia’s wanton shelling of Ukrainian civilians, be they in their apartments or fleeing on an open road.

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118 responses to “Scattershots – 8mar22 (updated 12mar22)”

  1. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    “I wonder what a Russian battery commander feels when ordered to schedule H&I fires that he knows will kill/maim only civilians?”
    One of the sacrifices a soldier makes that is not widely discussed is the soldier puts aside his personal beliefs and feelings to be prepared to face and battle ‘the enemy.’
    Whether it is obeying orders or putting the mission ahead of self, a bit of one’s own humanity dies there as well. The sacrifice that is not talked about.
    Sometimes there is not enough vodka in Russia to blot it out. War is Hell. On to Kiev.

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  2. George Rebane Avatar

    BillT 1012am – Actually Mr Tozer, American (and I suspect other western military) officers don’t have the liberty of making such a “sacrifice”, and are never permitted to put aside what can on a later Monday morning be considered as unlawful orders. We swear to obey only lawful orders no matter the environment in which we received them. And it is the sole responsibility of the officer to determine the legality of the order he receives – he is supposed to reject carrying out unlawful orders. Overall, it’s a hard row to hoe, and since Nürnberg it’s always on your mind. I have expanded on this previously in these pages.

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  3. scenes Avatar
    scenes

    ” never permitted to put aside what can on a later Monday morning be considered as unlawful orders.”
    Not to be That Guy, but per Wikileaks from leaked US Army field reports, the Iraqi war resulted in 66k civilian deaths between 2004 and 2009. Other estimates are far higher of course.
    I expect that if war crimes trials were ever really held, aside from putting the occasional losing leader up for the high jump, there’d be a heckuva lot of court rooms in use.
    No doubt there’s some wiggle room based on intent, but that hardly matters to the dead.

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  4. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Dr. Rebane
    I just reread you post above and was really to do a rewrite. What I skipped over was the most important part, the part of most crucial import: Dropping H&Is above lines of fleeing civilians. No reason for that ever. War Crimes? Yes. Hell yes. I cannot image one Western soldier doing that. But, the Eastern POV is not the Western POV.
    PS: Have a younger buddy who when doing his service in the Army, was one of eight or nine in his squadron who refused to allow himself to be put under UN command. He swore a oath to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States and thus he was going to defend it, no to being placed under any other command. It made a small stink in the news, but nothing happened to them after the usual threats. All served their time, all honorably discharged.
    Those are the types of guys who would help carry infants for the exhausted civilians uprooted from their lives and no where to go but out of the country. Moral outrage is justified, sir. Putin is taking it to another level.

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  5. scenes Avatar
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    ” Dropping H&Is above lines of fleeing civilians.”
    I can’t even see the tactical sense. Fleeing civilians are your friends since they not only interfere with the enemy’s transportation but they make the next town down the line panic.
    I’d honestly like to see where the story is sourced. After a week and some-odd of the West’s version of TASS banging the drums (and Russian papers aren’t any better), I’ve taken to not believing much of anything. All I’ve run into is some scattered clips and talk of 4-8 dead people. Of course, if you read Pravda, the neo-Nazis in the south are killing civilians.
    It does seem to me that the Western public is much less interested in what is best for Ukrainian citizens and much more interested in hammering on Russia on the anvil of Ukraine. You’d be surprised how many papers/op-ed pieces I’ve run into describing how to best set up a successful insurgency there written some time back. If people were more clever, which they’re not, it’s almost like part of a plan.

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  6. George Rebane Avatar

    Re wartime killing of civilians. There is that wiggly room called ‘collateral damage’. But to make that stick within America’s UCMJ, you have to show that the killings were either accidental during execution of a legal military mission, or that the overriding mission could not have been accomplished without killing civilians. Spillovers from area bombings of German and Japanese munitions factories counted for much of the latter with places like Dresden, Berlin, Tokyo, Hiroshima, and Nagasaki being arguable exceptions of simple terror.

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  7. scenes Avatar
    scenes

    GeorgeR: “legal military mission”
    Well, I guess if the Russians do it in Ukraine it’s, by definition, illegal. A life simplifier to be sure.
    I’m genuinely interested in your source showing an on-purpose shelling of civilians in the manner defined. About all I can find is some news articles (with 4 or 8 deaths) that all seem to derive from a single article I tracked down in some Eastern European press. The WSJ had a variant.

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  8. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    The operative word here is ‘ONLY’. That’s the biggie I missed in moi first comment. Only in as in, “ordered to schedule H&I fires that he knows will kill/maim only civilians?” Killing only “civilians fleeing civilians on negotiated evacuation routes.”
    Heard a great 20 minute interview from a 24 year old journalist in a of civilians fleeing to Poland. They had to walk the last 45-50 minutes without food or water. Once at the border, the Ukrainian Army/Guards were pulling every Ukrainian male 18-60 years old and turning them back, instant conscripts.
    Sad, on woman was literally on her knees begging the guards to let her husband come with her. Nope. If I find it, I’ll post it. Even thought the guy did work for CNN, he called in to Levine radio or Glen Beck podcast.
    He had to walk with a large group because he gave up his ticket to a man who was taking his family to the Polish border. The man cried and cried in gratitude and hugged the young journalist. Once the man got his family to the border safety, he turned around and went back to join the fight.
    The Nazis in the Far East of Ukraine are treating the Jews like it was Warsaw in WW2…per rumors.

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  9. scenes Avatar
    scenes

    In case Paul shows up, this is a followup to the imaginary bio-facilities in Ukraine. You’ll have to click the ‘un-mute’ button.
    https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1501310103529541636
    Dunno what the truth about them is, maybe they’re baby milk factories. We here at the Duchy of Grand Fenwick trust no one.

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  10. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    PS: link to my 3:26 pm
    https://www.glennbeck.com/radio/reporter-details-tragic-scene-during-trek-to-escape-ukraine
    50 miles, not 50 minutes…no food, water, or, shelter in the freezing cold.

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  11. hobart cross Avatar
    hobart cross

    In the category of “this is who the Republican Party has become”
    A GOP candidate running for Michigan’s House of Representatives, Robert Regan, was discussing how to decertify the 2020 presidential election during a ‘facebook live’ broadcast for the Republican group Rescue Michigan Coalition. During the broad casts he stated, apperently out of nowhere, “Having three daughters, I tell my daughters, ‘Well, if rape is inevitable, you should just lie back and enjoy it.”
    Regan won a special primary election by 81 votes. He had previously run for the same office in 2020 but was soundly defeated after his daughter tweeted “If you’re in michigan and 18+ pls for the love of god do not vote for my dad for state rep. tell everyone” and it went viral.

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  12. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    hobbled cross @ 5:02.
    Your comment goes in the Sandbox. Please try to rub your last two brain cells together and focus. To the Sandbox. We must follow the rules, even you.
    hobart: Say it ain’t true. A rotten candidate for a state house seat? Oh my. This has never happened before in the annuals of American politics. There sure are some doozies running for local and district offices every election cycle.
    Here, hobart, let me hand you a once big broadbrush and you can go paint the town. Paint the whole town red, kind sir. And use that expensive paint that was once used at Ananda that is so organic you can drink it. That was some organic paint no doubt. Didn’t last too long, but it was the thought that counts.
    Darn Trump!Jave you seen the price of deck screws lately? $140 bucks a night to heat my house! Darn solar. Useless after 48 hours I tell ya. worthless as teats on a boar. How’s Linda doing? Damn Trump.
    —————————————-
    “Washington Post and NPR Ignore the Rural Backlash Against Renewables’
    https://quillette.com/2022/03/07/washington-post-and-npr-ignore-the-rural-backlash-against-renewables/

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  13. scenes Avatar
    scenes

    BillT: ” The Nazis in the Far East of Ukraine are treating the Jews like it was Warsaw in WW2…per rumors. ”
    Oh well, I read where the Chechens were raping everybody they could catch.
    Maybe we could introduce the two groups.
    GeorgeR: “Shelling civilians. ”
    I’m seeing the 8 civilians again, so it’s probably related to the story I tracked down. The whole deal is such a mess (for one thing, the Russians appear to have battalion tactical groups running around hither and yon, less in the way of centralized movements than you’d think) that I can certainly understand bystanders getting involved. It strikes me as a big jump to consider it purposeful shelling of a mass of civilians.
    All the news is so pumped up, a mixture of propaganda and the love of people for a good yarn, that you’ll have to excuse me for being cynical. The Ukrainians are working the internet like geniuses, the Russians have failed miserably in that area.
    Naturally, you get the extra added bonus of civilians and soldiers in close proximity, use of civilian facilities for military purposes, and armed civilians filled with martial spirit, plus the occasional Spetsnaz dressed up in AT&T repairguy outfits (keep a close watch on them).
    I’d post up some more links to seemingly dispassionate coverage, but I seem to always end up in spam jail.

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  14. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Scattershots polls are more.
    Nets Spike Poll Majority Dems Would ABANDON U.S. If Invaded Like Ukraine
    https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/nicholas-fondacaro/2022/03/08/nets-spike-poll-majority-dems-would-abandon-us-if-invaded
    ————————
    MSNBC’s Joy Reid: World paying attention to Ukraine because it’s a ‘White … Christian nation’
    Joy Reid said, ‘Let’s face it, the world is paying attention because this is happening in Europe’
    https://www.foxnews.com/media/msnbc-joy-reid-world-paying-attention-ukraine-white-christian-nation
    —————————
    It’s Afghanistan All Over Again: Americans Abandoned as Biden Administration Ends Diplomatic Presence in Kyiv
    https://www.westernjournal.com/afghanistan-americans-abandoned-biden-administration-ends-diplomatic-presence-kyiv/

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  15. fish Avatar
    fish

    No wonder Punchy likes Joey Fingers……they make excuses the same way.

    Biden: Gas Prices Are “Going to Go Up… Can’t Do Much Right Now… Russia Is Responsible”

    https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/biden-gas-prices-are-going-go-cant-do-much-about-it

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  16. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    George
    Concerning your “wartime killing of civilians ” topic you raised earlier I’m sure you are aware that over 400,000 Iraqi civilians were killed as a result of our invasion of the sovereign nation of Iraq. How does that fit into your equation of civilians in wartime? This is the post I’m referring to: Sczttershots 08 March 2022 at 02:47 PM
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-24547256

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  17. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE 901pm – I don’t have an “equation of civilians in wartime” – what’s your point? And the overwhelming number of Irqis killed after Saddam was toppled was due to tribalism, factionalism, settling of old scores, revenge, etc. And not as you seem to imply that they were killed by American forces.

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  18. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    George
    Are you saying that they would not have died if we didn’t invade?

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  19. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    George
    Did you read the BBC link I provided in my 9:01?

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  20. show me kid Avatar
    show me kid

    Emery is the kind of guy that will ask someone if they still kick their dog. The person answers, “NO” and Emery then asks, “Oh, so you stopped?” Idiot….

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  21. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Saddam Hussain killed more Muslims than any other person on Earth. After he was driven out of Kuwait, he wiped out the ‘boat people’ tribes in the south and tribes in the north.

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  22. scenes Avatar
    scenes

    “Saddam Hussein killed more Muslims than any other person on Earth.”
    Although I’d vote for Genghis Khan, the Iran-Iraq war certainly provided a few bodies for Azra’il.
    At this point, I’d say the most efficient Muslim-killer would be destruction of power grids and water/sewer systems, pretty well carried out by the US State Department and military with their own experiments in country invasion and nation building. You can definitely see a dip in life expectancy at that time which otherwise tracks Egypt’s pretty well.
    This all is just dancing around the issue.
    Is the Russian invasion of Ukraine more or less moral than the US invasion of Iraq, particularly the second one? It’s bound to be fraught with the way the US public has been preloaded to hate Russians, especially in the last ten years or so, and the fact that Iraqis aren’t Christian or white. It would be interesting to calculate a public outrage equivalency ratio, maybe 100:1 in terms of value between the two countries?.
    The Founding Fathers would be somewhat horrified by US military adventurism (or simply the dominance of the government class) at this point, but the plot was lost some time ago. The switch-over from simply grabbing land (an honorable trade) to Janissaries for the rest of the world (less so) seemed to happen about the time of the Spanish-American war I think. Maybe it simply reflected a change in the electorate at about that time due to mass immigration. The foreign policy friskiness of Europe found a new place to roost.

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  23. fish Avatar
    fish

    The grifting, wheedling, and whininess seems to come so easily to Joey Fingers……again I see why he’s so appealing as a public figure to Punchy!

    Team Biden Begs Venezuela


    Meanwhile, team Biden crawled to Venezuela begging for oil instead of producing more in the US.
    This is so stupid you could not make it up.
    Biden Begs Saudi Arabia Too
    Flashback Feb 17, 2021: President Joe Biden early on promised to take a harder line on the oil-rich Islamic monarchy than his predecessor Donald Trump did.
    Flash Forward March 8, 2022: Saudi, UAE leaders ignore Biden when he calls to talk gas prices.
    Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman and the UAE Sheikh Mohammed bin Zayed al Nahyan declined Biden’s attempted outreach, the Wall Street Journal reported Tuesday.
    Saudi Arabia would not even take the call!

    “Never underestimate Joe’s ability to fuck things up” said a certain someone…..
    PS – this post and the story at the link have nothing to do with rape.
    Since she is so preoccupied with rape (lord knows what her dating life is like) I think it safe to say that Roberta won’t feel the need for rebuttal
    That is all.
    https://mishtalk.com/economics/unprecedented-fed-action-potentially-starts-a-global-currency-crisis

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  24. Scott O Avatar

    Paul 9:41 – “George
    Are you saying that they would not have died if we didn’t invade?”
    Well – they certainly wouldn’t have died had they not been born!
    The person who brushed off needless American soldiers’ deaths now aches for those who died.
    Nothing like situational ethics to keep one’s mind free of any sort of confusing moral consistency.

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  25. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Some Basic Truths on Oil
    “Oil hit $147.90 on July 14, 2008. That was and remains the record. But oil plunged the next day. By the end of that week, oil prices were down twelve percent. By November, oil was back to $30 a barrel.
    What caused the plunge on July 15, 2008?
    President George W. Bush announced he was authorizing offshore oil exploration.
    That’s it. That’s the only thing that happened. News outlets said it would amount to nothing. The Obama campaign team dismissed it as a stunt. It directly caused the price of oil to start declining.
    Why?
    Because oil is bought in a futures market, not a present market. The market responded to the information that more American oil would be coming online by sending prices down.”
    https://ewerickson.substack.com/p/some-basic-truths-on-oil?s=r
    In July of 2008 when Texas Crude was going for $147.90 and Bush said he would open up off shore drilling, the price dropped 12% and within in a month it fell down to 30 bucks a barrel on the futures market. Oil is sold on the futures market, one year in advance.
    Have you noticed that the Biden Administration is bending over backwards to avoid saying “off shore drilling”? Those 9,200 leases Biden brags about are all on land. 90% of the oil produced on land were on private lands, only 10% from public lands.
    Have you noticed from Louisiana to California on land drilling no longer allows the methane gas to be torched off? You know, those burning flares on top of the well. Now, rigs must capture the methane without burning it off, which vastly increases the cost of drilling. Burning off methane gas is cheap, capturing the methane gas without burning it off is expensive.
    Pipelines are the eco-friendly way to go. Rails are not as disaffected to transport oil as numerous examples of derailments and explosions killing civilians near the tracks make the news every year. There is simply are not enough tanker trucks in existence to transport our oil or gas by road.
    Slight of hand.

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  26. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    One Democrat woman’s opinion. Tulsi.
    ‘Our leaders are selling us a line of crap”
    https://video.foxnews.com/v/6300084993001#sp=show-clips

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  27. scenes Avatar
    scenes

    re: BillT@9:44AM
    Good statement at 3:30, that makes a lot of sense. As for Ukraine, oh well, it sucks to be them. The US foreign policy folks are snug at home.
    This whole thing got me to thinking about a couple of mostly unrelated notions.
    . How would the Russians react to an independent alliance between the central and eastern European states? Perhaps there’s a security difference (to them) between client countries attached to the United States of Germany and the US. Being a highly junior member of a political or economic union involves a huge loss of independence, plus you get dragged into the affairs of large states.
    . It would be interesting to see the effect of a large investment in essentially defensive weaponry. Take a country like, I dunno, Lithuania, and cover the thing with handheld anti-tank and anti-plane missiles, small arms, mines perhaps, rather than going for the main battle tank/F-35 fandango. Combine that with universal conscription and a really excellent citizen-based army. Basically make a place impossibly expensive to conquer while avoiding the appearance of being a combat arm of the US or NATO. In Switzerland, for example, the Air Force is mostly militia.

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  28. scenes Avatar
    scenes

    “Pipelines are the eco-friendly way to go. ”
    Of course they are, but they don’t get you to ecotopia.
    . Get rid of pipelines
    . So you get rid of oil/gas fields that use pipelines
    . So you get rid of oil/gas
    . So everyone buys Teslas and all-electric homes
    . So that huge demand in electricity results in magic new sources which are TBD
    …still workin’ on that last one.

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  29. The Estonian Fox Avatar
    The Estonian Fox

    BT 9:44AM
    Way to go Tulsi, 5 minutes on Fox. She shows better understanding of foreign affairs than our 45-years-of-experience president, or our 30-yr-experience Hillary. Tulsi was too polite in using the word ‘crap’ to describe the Dem’s behavior. And she continually kept pressing “how does this benefit Americans?”
    T’NT = Tulsi & Trump 2024, for P & VP.

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  30. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    The Estonian Fox @ 10:31 am. Yep, Tulsi is still a lib through and through, but Fox is the only place she can find air time when she is not trashed to the max as on Lamestream media. Just a fair place to air her views is all she seeks, not being demonized. My Gal is red hot, Their gal is diddly squat. Word salad czar Kamala is unfit at any speed.
    Flashback:
    Marianne Williamson Caught On Hot Mic: ‘Fox News Is Nicer to Me Than the Lefties’
    What does it say that Fox News is nicer to me than the lefties are? What does it say that the conservatives are nicer to me?” Williamson said after an interview with Eric Bolling on Sinclair Broadcast Group’s America This Week last week. “It’s such a bizarre world,” she added.
    “I didn’t think the left was as mean as the right, they are,” the activist and author asserted.
    https://www.newsweek.com/marianne-williamson-hot-mic-fox-news-nicer-lefties-1458947
    Kinda on topic as we prepare to go to war without troops.
    “Where did you hear that? Fox News?”, the leftinistas cry out, dismissing the contents out of hand.

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  31. scenes Avatar
    scenes

    “She shows better understanding of foreign affairs than our 45-years-of-experience president, or our 30-yr-experience Hillary. ”
    Plus the ability to speak extemporaneously. I have to admit that I’m getting bored by teleprompter Presidents.
    A thing I’d love to see, but won’t. During the campaign, you stick each candidate on a little box and have them speak on foreign policy for a couple of hours. No notes but they can write on a whiteboard if they feel like. Honestly, I don’t much care if they sit at a table and do it.
    You’d reach the limits of most of these people by minute 5. Richard Nixon could do it. Trump could probably bullshit his way through it with plenty o’ non sequiturs. Biden would have a 1000 yard stare and then his mouth would fall agape.

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  32. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Again, I can see Dr. Rebane’s justified moral outrage vented towards Russia for attacking the buses carrying only civilians (refugees) that we promised safe passage. Yes, there may appear some conflicts, to be insanely charitable, on when the cease fire safe passage was to began, which would have been 10:am (Moscow time) , not the 8:00am on the ground in Ukraine.
    Those buses where heading out of the theater of war, not approaching. Then, the attacks on civilians/fleeing refugees of war. No reason for it. Yellow buses sticking out like a sore thumb.
    Even Obama drove me nuts when he would not target the ISIS Caliphate seized oil field tanker trucks carrying oil through the back way to a Turkish port. Obama said those are civilians driving those tanker trucks, just family men trying to make a living and provide for their families. Sound familiar? Channeling Punchy. Once we let Russian jets in there, the truck conveys were destroyed in less than two weeks. Long time no come see.
    Tactics is moving troops around on a battlefield. Strategy is moving all troops around for the entire theater of Ukraine. I hope the bombing of civilian conveys with F&Is like the sitting ducks they are was a tactical decision/ error called for by commanders on the ground, not a strategic decision from on high. My hope has not been verified and may be wishful thinking.
    Never underestimate the enemy, be it Putin or Lefty commentators on the Union..or here.
    Evil is evil and not all view humanity equally.
    Punch (if you read this far):
    WW2 story. Closing hours of the war. American, British and Russian troops descended on Berlin. Street by street fighting, building to building routing out the German soldiers.
    A Russian soldier came across some British and American soldiers hunkered down outside a building. “What’s the holdup, the Russian asked. The Ally soldiers said there are some German soldiers in the building but also women and children in there. That’s the holdup. The Russian soldier looked at the American and British soldiers in disbelief, said “Here, give me that,” grabbed the flame thrower off the shoulder of an American/British soldier, opened that baby up and burned up all inside the building…a few German soldiers, women children, civilians…it made no matter. Stalled no more, moving on.
    That is the difference between East and West, Paul. That is Putin. Civilian causalities and humanity means a lot more to “us” than they mean to Evil Men.

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  33. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Again, I can see Dr. Rebane’s justified moral outrage vented towards Russia for attacking the buses carrying only civilians (refugees) that we promised safe passage. Yes, there may appear some conflicts, to be insanely charitable, on when the cease fire safe passage was to began, which would have been 10:am (Moscow time) , not the 8:00am on the ground in Ukraine.
    Those buses where heading out of the theater of war, not approaching. Then, the attacks on civilians/fleeing refugees of war. No reason for it. Yellow buses sticking out like a sore thumb.
    Even Obama drove me nuts when he would not target the ISIS Caliphate seized oil field tanker trucks carrying oil through the back way to a Turkish port. Obama said those are civilians driving those tanker trucks, just family men trying to make a living and provide for their families. Sound familiar? Channeling Punchy. Once we let Russian jets in there, the truck conveys were destroyed in less than two weeks. Long time no come see.
    Tactics is moving troops around on a battlefield. Strategy is moving all troops around for the entire theater of Ukraine. I hope the bombing of civilian conveys with F&Is like the sitting ducks they are was a tactical decision/ error called for by commanders on the ground, not a strategic decision from on high. My hope has not been verified and may be wishful thinking.
    Never underestimate the enemy, be it Putin or Lefty commentators on the Union..or here.
    Evil is evil and not all view humanity equally.
    Punch (if you read this far):
    WW2 story. Closing hours of the war. American, British and Russian troops descended on Berlin. Street by street fighting, building to building routing out the German soldiers.
    A Russian soldier came across some British and American soldiers hunkered down outside a building. “What’s the holdup, the Russian asked. The Ally soldiers said there are some German soldiers in the building but also women and children in there. That’s the holdup. The Russian soldier looked at the American and British soldiers in disbelief, said “Here, give me that,” grabbed the flame thrower off the shoulder of an American/British soldier, opened that baby up and burned up all inside the building…a few German soldiers, women children, civilians…it made no matter. Stalled no more, moving on.
    That is the difference between East and West, Paul. That is Putin. Civilian causalities and humanity means a lot more to “us” than they mean to Evil Men.

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    ” Stalled no more, moving on”
    It wouldn’t entirely surprise me that the more quickly a war is ended, the fewer people die. Even in the aftermath. An impartial God might always back the winning side.
    I can’t help but avoid a suspicion that what is going on is a purposeful stalemate. Some Moriarty in the DoD really likes the idea of pushing the Russians until they respond, and then feed arms into the inferno. Afghanistan on steroids.

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  35. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    “Afghanistan on steroids.”
    The sick joke going around is we finally learned our lesson about getting involved in a non-winnable 20 year foreign conflict to immediately jumping into another non-winnable foreign conflict.

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    “Civilian causalities and humanity means a lot more to “us” than they mean to Evil Men. ”
    I don’t know if that’s strictly true. Obviously you can overcome that by a certain amount of desensitizing. Practically any soldier up until the last couple of hundred years would wonder what you are on about. (re: desensitizing ..Viktor Suvorov’s book on Spetsnaz is good on the subject).
    But the other method that seems to work pretty well is The Button. With a Diet Pepsi and Twixt bar in hand, a drone pilot can commit some pretty serious mayhem. Using an axe is a lot more visceral than herding the chicken into the chicken dismembering machine using a joystick.

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  37. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    re: Minds that will never meet Time to bring back daily quotes.
    Upright
    “Work for something because it is good, not just because it stands a chance to succeed.” —Václav Havel (1936-2011)
    For the Record
    “I used to tweet, as a joke, that the Dem answer to high gas prices was to say ‘all the poors can just go buy a Tesla.’ And then, in the face of nearly $5/gallon gas…they actually said it.” —Rachel Bovard
    “‘Just buy an electric car’ is the modern version of ‘let them eat cake.’” —Eric Matheny
    “I don’t have a problem with electric vehicles. I do have a problem with the lie that they are a) affordable for everyone [and] b) they are ‘green’ or ‘clean.’” —Katie Pavlich (“They also depend on minerals primarily produced in China. But why not shift our energy dependency from one dictator to the next.” —Kelsey Bolar)
    “So Biden is banning Russian oil imports (which he should have done since the beginning if he wanted the sanctions to be serious) but is looking to substitute for those imports oil from…Venezuela, a Russian ally and authoritarian socialist state. Makes sense!” —Ben Shapiro
    “Reminder: The Biden administration WANTED this. Their policies were specifically intended to drive up gas prices to force people into electric cars. This is not an accident, and it’s not just a result of the crisis in Ukraine.” —Matt Whitlock
    A Trip Down Memory Lane
    “We have more oil than anybody. … And you’re paying, what, $2 a gallon for your gasoline? … If Biden got in, you’d be paying $7, $8, $9. Then they’d say, ‘Get rid of your car.’” —Donald Trump, November 2020
    Village Idiot
    “The average gas price in America hit an all-time record high of over $4 per gallon. OK, that stings, but a clean conscience is worth a buck or two. … I am willing to pay $4 a gallon. Hell, I’ll pay $15 a gallon because I drive a Tesla.” —Stephen Colbert (“Stephen Colbert — who earns $15 million per year from CBS and has a net worth approaching $100 million — says it’s worth it to endure higher gas prices so that you have a ‘clean conscience.’” —Glenn Greenwald | “We don’t have a political divide, we have a class divide. So many in the elite cannot fathom that their fellow Americans aren’t bad people, they just don’t have enough disposable income for vanity morals.” —Batya Ungar-Sargon)
    Non Compos Mentis Award
    “It’s true that the Russians are earning money from oil and gas, but to compound that problem by accelerating oil and gas in America would go against the climate goals, and climate is like war: If we don’t handle it, people are going to die and they’re going to be suffering. Not immediately, but over time.” —former California Governor Jerry Brown
    The BIG Lies
    “It’s simply not true that my administration or policies are holding back domestic energy production. It’s simply not true.” —Joe Biden
    “Loosening environmental regulations or pulling back clean energy investment … will not lower energy prices for families. But transforming our economy to run on electric vehicles powered by clean energy with tax credits to help American families winterize their homes and use less energy, that will. That will help.” —Joe Biden
    “[Prices are] gonna go up. Can’t do much right now. Russia’s responsible.” —Joe Biden
    Lack of Self-Awareness Award
    “How did we get to the place where, you know, Putin decides he’s gonna just invade Russia? Nothing like this has happened since World War II.” —Joe Biden
    Dezinformatsiya
    “Swing voters — Trump-Biden voters — they seem to buy the idea that Putin wouldn’t have done this if Trump were president. … I don’t buy that. I don’t think that that matches logic, but voters do. That’s a perception issue.” —MSNBC’s Chuck Todd
    Race Bait
    “The coverage of Ukraine has revealed a pretty radical disparity in how human Ukrainians look and feel to western media compared to their browner and blacker counterparts, with some reporters using very telling comparisons in their analyses of the war. … If this was happening anywhere else would we see the same outpouring of support and compassion? Well, we don’t need to ask ourselves if the international response will be the same if Russia unleashed their horror on a country that wasn’t white and largely Christian.” —MSNBC’s Joy Reid
    Theater of the Absurd
    “I don’t think anybody is advocating for Iran to continue acquiring a nuclear weapon, perhaps except for the former president who pulled us out of the deal.” —White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki
    And Last…
    “For reasons that are still unclear, the Biden administration has long sought to revive the failed Obama-era 2015 nuclear deal with Iran. Reports suggest an agreement is imminent, with the lead Russian negotiator in the talks saying Russia and China teamed up and ‘Iran got much more than it could expect. Much more.’ … By reviving the failed Iran deal, the Biden administration will fill the coffers of a murderous, terrorist regime, without putting an end to Iran’s nuclear weaponization. And some of that windfall may find its way to Russia, fueling Putin’s war machine. It will go down in history as one of the president’s most disastrous foreign policy decisions.” —Senator Marco Rubio

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    Bill Tozer

    In case Paul shows up, this is a followup to the imaginary bio-facilities in Ukraine. You’ll have to click the ‘un-mute’ button.
    https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1501310103529541636
    Dunno what the truth about them is, maybe they’re baby milk factories. We here at the Duchy of Grand Fenwick trust no one.
    Posted by: scenes | 08 March 2022 at 03:33 PM
    ————————————
    Too early by a few hours until Paul lets his hair down, but let’s lay the cards out on the table anyway. Whatz you holding? Let’s see what your got, Paul Emery.
    EXCLUSIVE: Deleted Web Pages Show Obama Led an Effort To Build a Ukraine-Based BioLab Handling ‘Especially Dangerous Pathogens’.
    Recovered by The National Pulse, the article raises serious questions about U.S. government activity in Ukraine, stretching back almost two decades.
    https://thenationalpulse.com/2022/03/08/obama-led-ukraine-biolab-efforts/
    ———————-
    To parrot Scenes March 8 @ 3:33 pm
    BREAKING: Biden official says US working with Ukraine to prevent bio research facilities from falling into Russian hands
    “Ukraine has biological research facilities, which in fact we are now quite concerned Russian troops, Russian forces may be seeking to gain control of.”

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    If Victoria Nuland didn’t exist, I think you’d have to invent her.
    https://spaceworms.substack.com/p/the-us-is-culpable-in-todays-ukraine?s=r
    https://greenwald.substack.com/p/victoria-nuland-ukraine-has-biological?s=w
    Naturally, her husband is Robert Kagan.

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  40. George Rebane Avatar

    Historical note: In the closing hours of WW2, the only allied soldiers in Berlin were Red Army soldiers. Americans and Brits were dutifully waiting things out on the west side of the Elbe. We were finally let into Berlin by the Soviets after hostilities ceased. That was Eisenhower’s order to the troops advancing from the west.

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    @ 3:49 pm.
    Too good to fact check. Well, it could have been true. I wanted it to be true! Heard that from a friggin Limey that is now a US citizen. And he was so well educated. White dude. Should have known. :).

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    BillT: “A Russian soldier came across some British and American soldiers hunkered down outside a building.”
    I heard those same three guys applied to be CIA agents.
    They all did well on their tests. The final exam is that they were given a pistol and led inside a room with their wife tied to a chair and they have to kill her. The American went in and came out right away.
    “I just couldn’t do it” and he gave up the gun.
    The English went in for a while and then came out
    “I couldn’t do it.”
    So the Russian went in and they heard several shots. Then a whole bunch of crashing and banging and then he came out covered with sweat.
    “You bastards gave me a prop gun. I had to finish her with the chair!”
    and that’s no shit.

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    🇺🇦⚡️Kharkiv: NLAWs delivered to the city in civilian cars
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfYqjzuSUf0

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    moi@7:14PM
    BillT: ““I wonder what a Russian battery commander feels when ordered to schedule H&I fires that he knows will kill/maim only civilians?””

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  45. Steven Frisch Avatar
    Steven Frisch

    “WW2 story. Closing hours of the war. American, British and Russian troops descended on Berlin. Street by street fighting, building to building routing out the German soldiers.
    A Russian soldier came across some British and American soldiers hunkered down outside a building.”
    I realize that this may have been meant as merely a “story” to illustrate a point but 1) there were no American and British soldiers in the final attack on Berlin, and 2) I can think of almost no engagement at the end of the war in Germany where Russian, British and American forces would have been fighting side by side at that level.
    Which just goes to show you how quickly bullshit becomes anecdotal knowledge.

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  46. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Weapons for Nazis?
    https://fb.watch/bFOJ6BdPsQ/

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    “Which just goes to show you how quickly bullshit becomes anecdotal knowledge. ”
    and how much people love a good story.

    pro tip: next time you’re at a bar and someone tells a whopper, don’t be an ass and simply enjoy the tale. Nobody likes the self-righteous pedantic guy.

    In other news, the US Congress has found another way for you to be part of their foreign policy.
    SEC. 2. PROHIBITION ON TRANSACTIONS WITH
    FOREIGN PERSONS THAT PURCHASE
    OR TRANSACT IN RUSSIAN GOLD.
    (a) IN GENERAL.—Any transaction by a
    United States person with a foreign person
    described in subsection (b) is prohibited.
    (b) FOREIGN PERSON DESCRIBED.—A foreign
    person is described in this subsection if the
    foreign person—
    (1) purchases, transacts in, or transports
    between countries gold received from the
    Government of the Russian Federation, in-
    cluding from reserves of the Central Bank of
    the Russian Federation held outside the Rus-
    sian Federation; or
    (2) engages in a transaction—
    (A) involving gold; and
    (B) that has a physical or electronic nexus
    to the Russian Federation.
    I can imagine the unintended consequences from that one.

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