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[So now the C19 vaccines are arriving in backwoods counties like ours.  Does anyone know of a list or policy that prioritizes who should get the vaccine and when (and where)?  The news about its distribution stops with vague references to healthcare workers and old folks in care facilities being somewhere near the top of the list.  gjr]

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  1. paul emery Avatar
    paul emery

    L
    Send me a direct email with your proposal or no deal.

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  2. The Estonian Fox Avatar
    The Estonian Fox

    Quote from Elizabeth Banks (supposedly a Hollywood celebrity):
    “I believe that women’s equality begins with our fundamental human rights over bodily autonomy…” she told The Hollywood Reporter in 2019.
    She is now against ‘stand your ground’ laws. It’s OK for her body to have control over a helpless individual, with an undeveloped brain, inside her. Yet she wants me NOT to have rights over my bodily autonomy with ‘stand your ground’ when a completely independent person, with a functioning brain, is trying to harm me.
    Certain persons should not be allowed to graduate from high school if they cannot recognize irony.

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  3. The Estonian Fox Avatar
    The Estonian Fox

    George,
    Traditional model for disease spread may not work in COVID-19:
    Paper from Georgia Med School-Augusta says short-term predictions should use a geometric mean model rather then Ro. “While this geometric method can’t predict long term trends, it can more accurately predict likely numbers for the short term.”
    “The R-naught model can’t be changed to account for contact rates that can change from day to day when lockdowns are imposed,” Rao explains. “In the initial days of the pandemic, we depended on these traditional methods to predict the spread, but lockdowns change the way people have contact with each other.”
    A uniform R-naught is also not possible since the COVID-19 pandemic has varied widely in different areas of the country and world. The R-naught also did not predict the current third wave of the COVID-19 pandemic.”
    10.1017/ice.2020.1376
    Looks like all the king’s horses are still trying to get Humpty figured out. The king’s men are busy figuring out the voting machines.

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  4. D Avatar

    “With his baseless claims of widespread voter fraud rejected by dozens of judges and GOP leaders, President Trump has turned to a ragtag group of conspiracy theorists, media-hungry lawyers and other political misfits in a desperate attempt to hold on to power after his election loss.
    The president’s orbit has grown more extreme as his more mainstream allies, including Attorney General William P. Barr, have declined to endorse his increasingly radical plans to overturn the will of the voters. Trump’s unofficial election advisory council now includes a pardoned felon, adherents of the QAnon conspiracy theory, a White House trade adviser and a Russian agent’s former lover. – WaPo

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  5. D Avatar

    Lin Wood speaks the truth! Republicans, don’t vote!
    “At the center of the conflict is pro-Trump trial lawyer Lin Wood. His advocacy for President Donald Trump — and his unsubstantiated claims of election fraud — have been so extreme that he’s now taken to publicly discouraging people from voting for Republican Sens. David Perdue and Kelly Loeffler, arguing that the runoff elections are already rigged.
    Amid party fears that a MAGA boycott could cost them control of the U.S. Senate, Trump privately spoke by phone this week with Wood to tell him to “knock it off,” a source briefed on the discussion told POLITICO.”

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  6. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    re: Lin Wood @ 7:31 am
    So, that story is weeks old. You already posted that last month. I guess with your squirrel cage spinning in your melon, it was new and news to you, my Biden Bro….formerly my Hillary Guy. Yes, this is Biden County in a Sea of Red.
    Lin Wood goes back to defending the FBI wrongly slimmed, slammed, and spit on innocent Atlanta Olympic Bomber (Richard Jewel) against the defamation of the press, namely the Atlanta Journal-Constitution and others in shit-for- brains media and sheet stains that comment on the Union pages. Let no good deed so unpunished. Of course Lin won a handsome settlement for the unconscionable treatment he received by Lying Press and Bill Clinton’s Justice Department leaking to that lying press, aka, the Enemy of the Truth. Jewel went from hero to zero at the speed of light.
    Fortunately, Lin got Jewel a handsome defamation settlement against the “media”, just like Lin got the Catholic High School Boy millions against the Enemy of the People (Washington Compost, CNN, and the Democrat commenters on the Union’s pages.). Unfortunately for Jewel he was dead when the money came in.
    Just like Alaska Senator Ted Stevens who got falsely accused by the Dirty Dems and sleazy Prosecutors at DOJ’s Convictions Before Truth Department which withheld evidence clearing Stevens and brought forth charges based on lies, speculation ,and falsehoods….even through the Justice Department /Media Slim Machine had a paper trail knowing Stevens was innocent. Stevens was dead when the Court cleared his name and overturned his conviction. A prosecutor (with a reawakened conscious promptly went out and killed himself after Stevens was wrongly convicted.
    The Dems and the media actually won that one. Stevens was set to be deciding vote on Obamacare, but Stevens got taken out by the Media Industrial Weaponized Justice Department and the rest is history.
    Like when Harry Reid got on the Senate Floor and claimed he had evidence that Mitt Romney was a tax cheat who had not paid his taxes for years with not even the tiniest thinnest shred of evidence, knowing full well that every word out of his mouth was a bold face lie.
    “The problem with Reid’s allegation? It’s just not true. We know that, at least in 2011 and 2010, Romney did pay taxes. How do we know that? Because Romney released his tax returns for those years. In 2011, Romney paid $1.9 million in taxes; in 2010, he paid slightly more than $3 million in taxes.
    Our own Fact Checker gave Reid Four Pinocchios for his “no taxes” claim. PolitiFact gave the claim a “Pants on Fire” rating.
    Yet Reid (D-Nev.) not only refuses to retract the allegation but also seems to take great pride in it. When pressed by CNN’s Dana Bash last year about continuing to defend a statement that is not true, Reid responded, “Romney didn’t win, did he?”
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/09/15/harry-reid-lied-about-mitt-romneys-taxes-hes-still-not-sorry/
    “Romney didn’t win, did he?” A Senate Leader of the Lying Dems has a point. Trump didn’t win, did he???
    The only difference between Harry Reid, the Media, some Union commentators, and a bucket of shit is the bucket.

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  7. Walt Avatar

    Bill.. Don’t waste the finger work. The Douchey never got past the third line.

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  8. L Avatar
    L

    Paul @ 8:54- I could hardly have offered a more public wager and the detail than was presented above, and the offer remains open. E-mail, no.
    Actually, this is a wager I’d prefer to lose. Why?
    Assuming about half the population actually pay Federal taxes, that means there are about 150 million of us on the hook. Each trillion the Gov borrows means about $6000 per taxpayer. Add in interest and it means the generation that pays for the borrowing of today will be out around 18k per trillion.
    I won’t be around for thirty more years, but somebody will be on the hook for $72,000 for the 4 trillion Biden would need to spend for me to win the bet.
    Next to that, the price of a nice dinner for two looks like chicken feed.
    Let me know if you change your mind…

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  9. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    I know Walt, I know. Just something to do while I am vacuuming the ceiling corners for any hint of cobwebs and dusting the chandeliers as I do the finger work on the keypad. Gotta make the place OCD clean for Santa’s little elves. Are you going to dye your beard white and put on a red hat this year? Are you on solid food yet? In not, I will take your fudge and cookies made with love. 🙂
    Well, I guess the ones with fluid on the brains are watching us, so I best not spill the beans. But, I do wonder if the demon possessed Wing Watchers are watching us (and they will never forget their daddy issues), who is watching them???
    Aha! “I see you when you’re sleeping”. Oh, naughty Santa.

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  10. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Boy, Punch should put a ‘Rand’ before his first name. What about the Washington spending sprees? The budget, the deficient, the debt, and the squeaky wheels?
    ‘Rand Paul Gives Viral Speech On Senate Floor Railing Against Covid Bill’
    When the Senate voted, only six Republicans voted against the package: Paul, Rick Scott of Florida, Mike Lee of Utah, Marsha Blackburn of Tennessee, Ted Cruz of Texas and Ron Johnson of Wisconsin. Paul ripped the rest of his GOP colleagues.
    “When you vote to pass out free money, you lose your soul and you abandon forever any semblance of moral or fiscal integrity,” Paul said.
    But Paul said the government is not in the business of providing free money, adding “the only thing that can save us is opening the economy.”
    ———
    “If free money was the answer… if money really did grow on trees, why not give more free money?” he said. “Why not give it out all the time? Why stop at $600 a person? Why not $1,000? Why not $2,000? Maybe these new Free-Money Republicans should join the Everybody-Gets-A-Guaranteed-Income Caucus? Why not $20,000 a year for everybody, why not $30,000? If we can print out money with impunity, why not do it?”
    “We can’t keep pretending that more debt is a sustainable policy course. Leadership is not passing on the problem to someone who can’t protest. Leadership is making the hard choices now. This is what we have to do. I will oppose this new debt and I will continue to sound the alarm until we change our course. Our country can be saved. We can survive this if we pull together, but adding more debt is a mistake. It is not the solution,” the senator said.
    Paul also went on a Twitter rant, pointing out that no lawmaker even had time to read the massive bill.
    “Deficit busting bill will be 5,593 pages! If 250 words per page, then that’s 1,398,250 words. If Congresspeople read at the American average of 300 words/min (a big assumption) then a Congressperson might read this in 4,660 minutes or 77.68 hours! (if no rest breaks),” he wrote.
    And he tweeted: “There is no free money to get us out of this situation. In fact, there is no more money at all. The answer is not printing up and distributing free money to everyone. The answer is immediately opening the economy. We can choose to let our economies open, with guidance and precautions but not obstruction. Let people rebuild their livelihoods. Reopen our schools so kids can learn and parents can go back to working and earning a living.”
    https://www.dailywire.com/news/rand-paul-gives-viral-speech-on-senate-floor-railing-against-covid-bill
    “Only thing that can save us is reopening the economy.”
    Remember when the private sector passed out $1,000 bonuses to their thousands of employees as Trump’s Tax Plan kicked in? Nancy called that much appreciated bonus to private sector employees crumbs as well and she was none to happy that it was a private sector thang ans she got not credit. Crumbs!

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  11. George Rebane Avatar

    EstonianF 509am – Well, there seems to be some confusion as to how R0 can be used both spatially and temporally. The reproduction rate number has none of the shortcomings they ascribe to it. R0 need not be a constant, as I make clear in my Epidyne model. What they want to do is abstract a current spread rate from recent data (that’s possibly locale-specific). To get this rate from N periodically measured spread rates is not necessary, since these simply evaluate to the Nth root of the ratio of the first and last spread rate – i.e. r(ave) = ((1+r(last))/(1+r(first)))^(1/N) – 1. Since the dynamics of the spread rates in the data window don’t count, and the result is constant spread rate to be applied to a future interval, then it would be just as easy and valid to calculate the rate constant for exponential growth over the data interval T, and use that for near-term predictions. This gives the desired rate as r(mean) = ln(nL/nF)/T, where nL is that latest total number infected, and nF is the initial number infected at the beginning of T. Finally, note that in the geometric mean calculation the spread rates are really somewhat specious numbers since the dynamics within T are noise corrupted which the mean calculation is expected to smooth out or remove. Also, the implication is that r(ave) will be used in a linear fashion over some future interval TF – i.e. nTF = (1+r(ave))n(now). In nature, the more usual case is that things grow exponentially so that nTF = n(now)exp(r(mean)*TF). This is not to say that they could not use r(ave) similarly.
    Finally, of course R0 did not and could not “predict the third current wave”, and neither could the use of a geometric mean computed within the same time frame (data window) as R0. Without a marvelously complex and reliable population mixing model (that incorporates timed lockdowns, quarantines, masks, and other response policies with assumed effects), no epidemic model is able to predict subsequent infection waves.

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  12. Walt Avatar

    Where is that book keeper Emery? Now how bout those big bucks to secure OTHER nation’s borders? But NOT OURS.
    Billions to other nations in this pork barrel spending.

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  13. D Avatar

    They are eating their own!
    “President Trump lashed out at Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell on Monday night for acknowledging Joe Biden won the election, sending a slide to Republican lawmakers taking credit for saving McConnell’s career with a tweet and robocall.
    Why it matters: It’s an extraordinary broadside against McConnell by the sitting president and most popular Republican in the party, ahead of a crucial runoff election in Georgia on Jan. 5 that will determine control of the Senate.” -Axios

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  14. Walt Avatar

    That don’t beat this D-.
    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/12/22/state-senator-michigan-agent-gave-sob-story-to-restaurant-owner-for-meal-then-it-was-busted-violation/
    A low scum LIB state enforcer entrapping a business owner thinking he was helping a hungry guy.
    No good deed goes unpunished in Proggy town

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  15. D Avatar

    WalDoH!™ – Gets his crap news from Breitbart. Try a local source next time. Charlie’s was already out of compliance,
    https://www.lansingstatejournal.com/story/news/local/2020/12/16/state-suspends-potterville-bars-liquor-license-over-covid-19-rules/3914722001/

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  16. Scott O Avatar

    Duh 2:05 – Thanks for the link. Stories like that terrify you lefty pussies. People who refuse to hide under their beds and openly meet to conduct business as usual. Oh, we can’t have that.
    No one was working there that didn’t want to work there and no body was forced to go into the establishment. It’s the biggest sin that leftys can conceive of. Someone, somewhere, is enjoying themselves and having a good time.
    Rioters and arsonists remain exempt. Amazing logic from people who want to run our lives.

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  17. Walt Avatar

    Ahhh The bastard prezident to be. His Alzheimer’s is showing again.
    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/12/22/joe-biden-calls-reporter-one-horse-pony-after-question-about-son-hunter/
    C’mon MANNNnnn.. Get it right! Horse faced pony soldier.
    One horse pony?,, EMERY?????

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  18. Walt Avatar

    Now how many more LIBS are on the Chinese take?
    “Please Queen Nan,,, PLEASE!!! let me keep my seat. Make that bad Repub just go away!!! How come you didn’t help me rig MY election?????”
    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/iowa-democrat-rita-hart-china-payrolls
    “Iowa Democrat Rita Hart was on the payroll of two Chinese companies while running to represent the state’s 2nd District in the U.S. House of Representatives, a financial disclosure shows.”
    “”Why does the Chinese Communist Party need to pay thousands of dollars to an elementary school teacher who’s running for Congress, if not merely to buy influence?” said Adam Guillette, president of Accuracy in Media, a conservative media watchdog with a history of political activism.”
    Now the best part……
    “Hart on Tuesday contested the certification of her election with the House of Representatives after dropping her challenge through the legal system, admitting she couldn’t “get the results” needed to overturn the outcome. Hart says her six-vote loss to Republican Mariannette Miller-Meeks would have been a nine-vote win if 22 excluded lawful ballots were counted.”

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  19. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Quotes
    Insight: “It is the common fate of the indolent to see their rights become prey to the active. The conditions upon which God hath given liberty to man is eternal vigilance; which condition if he break, servitude is at once the consequence of his crime, and the punishment of his guilt.” —John Philpot Curran (1750-1814)
    Observations: “Biden isn’t even bothering to try to convince you that he’s choosing the most competent people for key [cabinet] jobs. Instead, he’s telling you what they look like. Their appearance is all that matters. So it turns out your mother was wrong; you can judge a book by its cover. In fact, you’re now required to.” —Tucker Carlson
    For the record: “The fraud happened. The election in many ways was stolen and the only way it’ll be fixed is by in the future reinforcing the laws.” —Senator Rand Paul
    He has a point: “If money really did grow on trees, why not give more free money? Why not give it out all the time? Why stop at $600 a person? Why not $1,000? Why not $2,000? Maybe these new Free-Money Republicans should join the Everybody-Gets-A-Guaranteed-Income Caucus. Why not $20,000 a year for everybody? Why not $30,000? If we can print out money with impunity, why not do it?” —Rand Paul, who further declared, “To so-called conservatives who are quick to identify the socialism of Democrats: If you vote for this spending monstrosity, you are no better.”
    Upright: “Folks, we just received a 5,600 page PDF that represents one of the largest spending bills in our history, and NOT ONE Member of Congress will have had time to read through it before voting later today. This is awful governance, and a disservice to the American people.” —Rep. Ralph Norman
    Non sequitur: “People say around here sometimes, ‘I’m faith-oriented, so I don’t believe in science.’ And I said, ‘Well, you can do both. Science is an answer to our prayers and our prayers have been answered with a vaccine.’” —House Speaker Nancy Pelosi
    Non compos mentis: “We missed our opportunity to impeach [Trump] for treason. [New York] can make up for it!” —Rep. Maxine Waters
    And last… “I don’t really let statues bother me, because, well… they’re statues. They don’t make me angry, because they’re just inanimate objects. The only way a statue can hurt you is if it falls on you while you’re tearing it down. I avoid this danger by not tearing them down.” —Jim Treacher

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  20. Walt Avatar

    See? Told you, you rat bastards, Trump has looked out for the American people.
    Just look at who wrote up the spending bill. Nancy and her flying monkeys.
    “Trump argued that the relief bill in its current form, which is included with $1.4 trillion in omnibus spending, has “almost nothing to do with COVID.”
    “Congress found plenty of money for foreign countries, lobbyists and special interests while sending the bare minimum to the American people who need it,” Trump said.”
    Remember TROLLS? Your queen of the DAMNED called the 1000 bucks most of us got when Trump rolled back taxes “crumbs”.
    Yet 600 bucks is “significant”?
    Yaaa. You stay real quiet under your rocks.
    I hope to Christ Trump VETOS the current buttwipe.
    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-threatens-to-veto-massive-covid-bill
    Plenty of money to other places,,,, other than to the U.S.
    Yup.. that’s a Proggy way of doing things.
    And the Repubs that voted for this, just to pass anything are just as bad.

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  21. Walt Avatar

    Leave it to Hollywood.. The episode of “Law and Order” that aired tonight sure made the people on the Right look bad,,, and ANTIFA the poor misunderstood victims.

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  22. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    The Great Divide
    Can Democracy Hold Us Together?
    https://buchanan.org/blog/can-democracy-hold-us-together-142475

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  23. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    MONTAGE: THE 20 MOST MORTIFYING MEDIA MOMENTS OF 2020
    https://news.grabien.com/story-montage-20-most-mortifying-media-moments-2020

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  24. D Avatar

    Trump thinks murderous Blackwater mercenaries are heros.

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  25. D Avatar

    I must have been a quid pro quo to get Betsy DeVoss on board,
    https://twitter.com/adamnlawyer/status/1341577554382249997?s=19

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  26. D Avatar

    Trump golfed while Congress bickered.
    “A day late and a dollar short”

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  27. Walt Avatar

    D-TROLL is up early. LIB Congress screwed the American people over. Yet you rejoice. So Trump was playing golf.
    Now just was your boy “O” doing on this day 4 years ago?
    Forget he holds the record of prez. golf games?

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  28. Scott O Avatar

    Duh 6:44 – Say, Duh – why don’t you set up the total scene and back story of what happened in the tragic incident in Iraq?
    Ah – that’s right. You haven’t got a clue.
    You leftys operate in a total la-la land.
    Wish you were grabbed by the neck and shoved out into the real world. You’d shit your pants and be a wet puddle instantly.
    By your standards, most all WWII vets should be tried and imprisoned.
    Iraq isn’t Nevada County, but I realize you will never be able to grok the difference.

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  29. D Avatar

    Scotto, sounds like you would be sitting in your own puddle in a foxhole shooting at anything that moves.

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  30. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    CDC GONE WOKE
    Earlier this week in an important New York Post column Betsy McCaughey took up the “racialization” of vaccine distribution by the public health authorities. Now comes the Washington Free Beacon’s Aaron Sibarium to follow up in “How the Centers for Disease Control Went Woke.” Sibarium shows in devastating fashion how the epidemic of racism that runs rampant throughout our institutions has now manifested in the CDC. Sibarium goes in for close analysis:
    https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/12/cdc-gone-woke.php
    Funniest line in link (IMHO): “Marcella Nunez-Smith, a co-chair of Joe Biden’s COVID-19 advisory board, commended the experts at the CDC for “taking political interference out of the process” and…”
    So, that’s how you don’t politicalize the vaccine? Lol.

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  31. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    More Hunter Biden’s e-mails released. Dribble, dribble. Pay me up front!
    ‘Emails obtained by FBI detail how Hunter Biden landed Ukrainian gas gig in 2014
    Memos show concerted strategy to leverage VP Joe Biden’s trip to Kiev to score Burisma Holdings deal.’
    https://justthenews.com/accountability/russia-and-ukraine-scandals/emails-obtained-fbi-detail-how-hunter-biden-landed

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  32. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Remember when those wack jobs (including the usual wet brain commentators on the Union’s site) said Trump was threatening our national security? I remember. The media claimed Trump was firing all our Defense Intelligence personell. Moi countered with a short reply here that Trump fired civilians in a Cyber Security division, and did wipe the floor with our Defense Department. Ok, boasting done…..I would rather boast how great our country is anyway.
    ——-
    ‘Cybersecurity agency where Trump fired boss was flagged repeatedly for poor performance
    Internal reports show CISA rated low on information security, slammed for physical election security and intel sharing.’
    https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/elections/tue-cybersecurity-agency-where-trump-fired-boss-was-flagged-repeatedly
    Just the facts, ma’am.

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  33. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    And so it begins. Another The Best of The Enemy of the People, 2020 Edition”
    ‘20 Stories The Media Got Horribly Wrong In 2020’
    It should be no surprise as 2020 approaches an end that corporate media covered a horrific year as horrifically as expected
    https://thefederalist.com/2020/12/23/20-stories-the-media-got-horribly-wrong-in-2020/

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  34. RXCross Avatar
    RXCross

    In the category of “I wonder if this has anything to do with Betsy DeVoss’ brother Eric Prince”. trumpy pardons the Blackwater operatives who murdered 14 civilians in Iraq along with the convicted liars from the Russia scandal. Isn’t that just great? Screw the rule of law.

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  35. paul emery Avatar
    paul emery

    Looks I’m on the poop list with the Trump campaign. Just got this email. I guess they are looking for bucks to get them through his soon to be employment and housing crisis. I’ll be able to help if I get my 2K as Trump and Nancy propose. Keeping my fingers crossed. Here’s his personal note to me:
    “This is your FINAL NOTICE, Paul.
    So far, you’ve ignored EVERY email inviting you to join the Presidential Honor Roll. You’ve ignored Team Trump, Lara, Don Jr., AND the President of the United States.
    We’ve done everything we can to get you to join this prestigious group, and now we’re reaching out to let you know that this is your LAST CHANCE.
    President Trump is holding your spot until 11:59 PM TONIGHT. After that, you will no longer be considered for a spot on the Presidential Honor Roll.
    The President is counting on YOU, Paul. Don’t let him down.”

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  36. George Rebane Avatar

    There you have it Paul, stand up and be counted – write ’em a goddam check!

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  37. paul emery Avatar
    paul emery

    I can’t afford it George unless I get the 2K Trump and Nancy want to give me. Keeping my fingers crossed!!!

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  38. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    RX Crosstops: I heard Trump is pardoning George the Geek Papadopoulos, two border patrol agents and four Blackrock Dogs of War. And Duncan Hunter, not to be confused with the other Hunter under FBI criminal investigations (2), money laundering and tax fraud….just like Paul Manafort.
    I do take exception with along with the “convicted liars from the Russia scandal”
    I would love to see the video of Papadopoulos’s FBI interviews, if they were recorded as SOP. No can find. The Geek was convicted, did his 20 days in prison, not jail, and is good to go. Yep, The Geeky Greek’s crime was he was 10 days off in events, late March as opposed to early May and plead quilty just to make the constant harassment go away. Same for Michael Flynn, but his was a little different cause they threatened to ruin his son. So, Flynn fell on the sword for his son,
    All those stories of the “convicted liars” and non-convicted liars are the same. They almost got RT McFarland the same way, but she fought back and had to go take a gig on Fox to pay her legal bills. Anyway, the stories go like this. The FBI shows up, say they just have a couple of questions, sieze records and stuff, and a few hours later walk away. Some, voluntarily gave the FBI everything they had.
    Then, later they show back up for a 9 hour grilling, again that was just going to be another brief couple of questions to clear things up, followed by day two of intensive phycological warfare.
    FBI: On such and such date you had communications with so and so. What was the purpose of that communication.
    FBI Target: McFarland any many others: Oh my. That was months ago. Can I see my calendar and notes to refresh my memory?
    FBI: No. Tell us about the communication on that date.
    McFaland: Oh, so and so left a message at my office number so I called him back the next morning.
    FBI: No, you texted him back the next morning. Now that we got you on perjury, if you don’t give us dirt on Trump (or Roger Stone) saying you overheard Trump telling Stone ( or vice versa) that he had foreknowledge on what’s in the Wikileaks leaks….(or something related)
    McFarland: You want me to lie?
    FBI: If you do not cooperate, we will sent you to prison for a long long time.
    That is what a politicalized and weaponized Department of Justice looks like. Not interested in the truth, lay a perjury trap on them to get them to “recall” something much differently than they recall or “suddenly recall” certain time stamped dates of interest. If you cannot the dots, you have no case against Trump for treason or conspiracy with the Russians.
    George Papado served his time and paid his debt to society. Don’t see why you, RX on Crosstops, are so upset about it. All Trump did was remove the stain on the young Geek’s record. As the Grateful Dead sang, “Set up like a bowling pin.

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  39. D Avatar

    Coronavirus Relief checks, progress history
    D: $2000 checks
    R: $600 checks?
    D: $1200 checks
    R: $600 checks?
    D: $600 checks.
    R: $2000 checks! Take it or leave it!
    Bwahahaha

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  40. D Avatar

    Trump is tired of golf and needy for attention. He knows Congress can override his veto but he threw out the $2,000 as bait for his base.

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  41. Walt Avatar

    See? you prove your the Douche bag I claim. It’s your damned LIBS that said “600 bucks”. TROLL ASS POS…..
    Then they want to billions to OTHER nations? Nope,, that you won’t address. Secure OTHER borders,,,, but NOT ours..
    Mow your own damned lawn.

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  42. paul emery Avatar
    paul emery

    Trump gets his wish for support for $2000 assistance. Tweet From Nancy:
    “Republicans repeatedly refused to say what amount the President wanted for direct checks. At last, the President has agreed to $2,000 — Democrats are ready to bring this to the Floor this week by unanimous consent. Let’s do it!”

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  43. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Haha. Nanny Nan is one funny old bittie. Trump for months wanted a stand alone bill for every worker and their spouses at $1,200 each plus a few hundred for each kid. But Nancy said “noooooooo”. We got to add money for prisons and equitablr outcomes for criminals based on race and gender studies in Pakistan and the Green Raw Deal and bail out states that are going broke due (pre-China Virus) to wreckless mismanagement and hare brained wild SJW Woke Idea spending.
    Give Trump his stand alone bill and I will have yet another unneeded check in a week. Oh, sausage making makes the Left and the Right both see red.

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  44. Walt Avatar

    HAAAAA HAAAAAA!!
    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-veto-national-defense-authorization-act
    “President Trump vetoed the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2021 Wednesday, calling it a “gift” to U.S. adversaries China and Russia and making good on a promise to veto if it did not repeal a law that shields certain Big Tech companies from liabilities.
    “My Administration recognizes the importance of the Act to our national security,” the president wrote to House members after vetoing the bill. “Unfortunately, the Act fails to include critical national security measures, includes provisions that fail to respect our veterans and our military’s history, and contradicts efforts by my Administration to put America first in our national security and foreign policy actions.””

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  45. George Rebane Avatar

    And can you imagine it? All this spending will again be laid at the feet of Trump by our self-righteous know-nothings. Their own leadership will remain as pure as the fresh-driven snow.

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  46. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Well George you and your fellow RR’s had no problem blaming Obama for all the spending that occurred under Bush’s watch. Fair game I guess.

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  47. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Good. Bury them lawsuits. Thats how Jeff Sessions broke the back of the KKK in Alabama by lawsuits. The Left has simply swapped out their white hoods for black ones.
    ‘Detroit Counter-Sues Black Lives Matter Protesters For ‘Inciting Riots,’ Attacking Police’
    https://www.dailywire.com/news/detroit-counter-sues-black-lives-matter-protesters-for-inciting-riots-attacking-police

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