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George Rebane

Daily we hear of another discovered tranche of uncounted votes.  And these announcements are followed by a chorus of leftwingers (Democrats and their talking heads) pooh-poohing the latest discovery because it isn’t enough to swing the majority.  These come with admonitions that such efforts should cease because they ‘prove’ that there are not enough such remaining votes to make a difference.  Actually, that is not only a self-serving criticism of the continuing effort to find more uncounted votes, but it is also a profoundly illogical conclusion and most certainly a very unscientific deduction to come from the party of science.

I’ll soon get to the technical aspects of why it pays to keep looking, but there is also a simpler explanation that is accessible to wider audiences.  The bottom line may be summarized as the ‘tip of the iceberg’ principle.  When you find some more of which you already know there are many more, then there’s a good chance that what you found is neither the only nor the last of such a thing to be found.  If the find is valuable, you keep on looking for more.  This satisficing policy evolved into critters of ALL sizes hundreds of millions of years ago – when you find some food in a region that does not completely satisfy your hunger, you don’t assume that this was the last morsel to be found and you quit looking – not at all, you look around for more.


This policy can now be grounded on some serious science of probabilistics.  Readers may recall that several years ago (2014) I introduced physicist Richard Gott’s work in the calculation of probabilities for arcane questions like how long can the human species expect to survive on earth.  Unfortunately, Gott didn’t express his results in a more comprehensive or clear manner, and his work lay fallow in the mountain of scientific literature.  As a result, and to quote from ‘…, and this too shall pass’

“And then I came along – ta-daa!!  Plowing through (Gott’s) paper I was struck by the apparent unrecognized utility of Gott’s theory to the analysis of what we may call minimally known processes (MKPs).  It was immediately clear to me that in our daily round we are awash in such processes, but very few of us are able to identify them as MKPs, and fewer still have heard of Gott.  Since my professional activities continue in various areas of uncertainty, I recognized a diamond in the rough and got to work.  My humble contribution from the effort has been a clear derivation of a simple and elegant formula for Gott’s probability, that I then extended to support dealing with arbitrary future time intervals, and finally demonstrate the complete scalability of the theory.  (For those still awake, we will carry on and promise an intriguing reward to the persistent reader.  Nothing beyond clear thinking and the ability to punch numbers into a couple of simple formulas is required.)”

Actually, since 2014 I’ve done even more work in this area (e.g. here) and have now extended the R-G theory of MKPs to processes that consist of a sequence of arbitrarily timed discrete events, the discovery of discrete tranches of votes is but an example of such minimally known event-driven processes.  As a quick review, we first consider continuous time MKPs for which all that we know is only their age OR their expected lifetime – i.e. the length of time T that they have been going on, or their lifetime TL.  We ask and answer the question, ‘what is the probability that the MKP will stop in the next time interval ΔT?’  These probabilities are given in the first two equations below.  Then we answer the more comprehensive question, ‘what is the probability that the MKP will stop during in the time interval ΔT12 = ΔT2 – ΔT1 that begins at an arbitrary future time ΔT1 from now and then ends ΔT2 from now?’  These probabilities are given in the third and fourth equations below.

R-GcontFormulas

And then we look at MKPs consisting of a sequence of discrete events about which only the number N of such past events is known OR processes about which we only know the total number of events NL before it halts.  Here we ask the question, ‘what is the probability that the discrete MKP will halt with at most n (greater than zero) more events?’  These probabilities are given in the first two equations below.  Then we also expand to the more comprehensive question, ‘what is the probability that the MKP will halt within at most n more events after having survived nF events in the future?’  These probabilities are given in the third and fourth equations below.

R-GdiscFormulas

So, let’s calculate a few of these probabilities.  A natural first question to ask is ‘Now that we’ve found the first tranche of uncounted votes in (state), what’s the probability that this was the only tranche of uncounted votes, i.e. that we won’t find any more such tranches?’  Well, we know that this minimally known process has started and that N = 1.  So what is the probability that the next discovery will be the last one, i.e. that with n = 1 the process ends?  We use the first equation from the above figure to get 1/(1+1) = 0.5 = 50%.  This also says that there’s a 50% chance that more than one tranche of uncounted votes will be found.

Another way of looking at it is to ask ‘what is the chance that this single find of uncounted votes will be the only one?’  This is the same as asking what is the chance that we will find any number of more tranches, i.e. that the discoveries will end before a very large number n of more tranches will be found.  Putting a large number, say, n = 1000, into the first equation gives 1000/(1+1000) = 0.999 or almost 100% chance that the process will end with no more than 1000 additional tranches found.  That also says that the probability that the MKP ended with its first find is vanishingly small, i.e. it pays to keep looking.

This morning (18nov20) we heard on the news that in Georgia they have now found four tranches of uncounted votes.  Using our above formula, we can calculate the probability that there will be only one more tranche left to find, n = 1, is 1/(4+1) = 0.2.  Another way of looking at this is that there’s an 80% chance that two or more tranches of uncounted votes will be found if the search continues.  The obvious policy would then be to keep on looking in order to discover more uncounted votes and restore confidence in Georgia’s election process.

[20nov20 update]  From the comment stream below, there seems to be some confusion as to the intended takeaway from the above development and commentary.  The purpose of applying some relevant probabilistics to the effort to discover additional uncounted votes is to illustrate and quantify the chances for success in persevering in such pursuits.  My intent here is not to analyze or counsel anyone on the larger question of whether, how, and for how long should contesting the election’s evolving outcome be carried out.  But I do submit that knowing what the chances are for finding additional uncounted votes is a factor that should weigh on the larger question.

Reading such technological essays with incomplete understanding (or poor reading skills) often inspires leftists to expand the topic considered, and attribute to the author all manner of unexpressed intentions.  This in the vein of the revolutionary Jacobins who sent thousands to the guillotine with nothing more than the indictment that ‘We know what you were really thinking”, followed a fortiore on the exact synthesized nature of the unspoken dastardly thoughts and intentions.  Over the years the comment streams of RR have been populated by countless such diatribes directed against me and other commenters of the wrong political coloration.  I suppose there is no point in hoping that such ripostes, no matter how illogical or unreasonable, will ever cease; at a minimum they are grasped opportunities for launching barbs.

Addendum – For those wishing to delve into the details of how the above formulas were derived, please download the following technical notes.

  1. Rebane, G.J., TN0708-1: Predicting the Lifetime of Minimally Known Processes – Gott Extended Download TN0708-1_GottExtensionConfirmation190120
  2. Rebane, G.J., TN1411-1: Gott’s future duration, …, and this too shall pass Download TN1411-1_and this too shall pass
  3. Rebane, G.J., TN1902-1: Predicting Termination of Minimally Known Ongoing Processes Download TN1902-1_lifetimeMKP
  4. Rebane, G.J., TN2011-1: R-G Probabilities for Discrete Events Download TN2011-1_DiscreteEventR-Gprobs
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79 responses to “Looking for Uncounted Votes (updated 20nov20)”

  1. George Rebane Avatar

    Gentlemen, keep it on the voter fraud topic. The sandbox is for your ad hominems for Biden, Trump, Rudy, …

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  2. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    “To Err is Human
    To really screw things up takes a computer”
    -wisdom circa 1965
    This election seems to have gotten really screwed up. There may be no way to unscrew it.
    That makes it a job for the House of Representatives for the President, the Senate for the VP.
    And this is what makes it really fun… every state gets one vote. The California delegation fights it out, agrees to vote for Biden. One vote.
    Wyoming’s one congresscritter thinks a bit and decides to cast Wyoming’s vote for Trump.
    This is what happens when a party trashes an election to ensure its ticket wins. that’s the Democrats this time, folks. Not the GOP.
    It still might not happen. I give it maybe a 40/60 chance but what do I know?

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  3. Walt Avatar

    No,, it wasn’t the foxs guarding the hen house, it was the pack of weasels. A fox actually has a bit of honor…
    With weasels,, one will lie,, and all the others will swear to it.

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  4. Barry Pruett Avatar
    Barry Pruett

    To be fair George there’s like seven different threads of voter fraud. I don’t know where to put anything. Lol

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  5. George Rebane Avatar

    Barry 627am – not a problem, put your fraud comments under any of them you like; I am only talking about naked ad hominems.

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  6. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    What do Lizzy Warren, Amy Klobuchar, and Ron Wyden have in common?
    ‘Democratic senators warned of potential ‘vote switching’ by Dominion voting machines prior to 2020 election’
    “In a December 2019 letter to Dominion Voting Systems, which has been mired in controversy after a human error involving its machines in Antrim County, Michigan, resulted in incorrect counts, Democratic Sens. Elizabeth Warren, Ron Wyden, and Amy Klobuchar and congressman Mark Pocan warned about reports of machines “switching votes,” “undisclosed vulnerabilities,” and “improbable” results that “threaten the integrity of our elections.”
    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/democratic-senators-warned-of-potential-vote-switching-by-dominion-voting-machines-prior-to-2020-election?

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  7. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Why would USA Today find it necessary to print this? Are they also now a rightwing rag? No, pointing out Matrix is not perfect does not make USA Today a traitor to the cause.
    ‘Will your ballot be safe? Computer experts sound warnings on America’s voting machines’
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/investigations/2020/11/02/computer-experts-sound-warnings-safety-americas-voting-machines/6087174002/

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  8. paul emery Avatar
    paul emery

    Gregory writes:
    “This is what happens when a party trashes an election to ensure its ticket wins. that’s the Democrats this time, folks. Not the GOP.”
    What proof do you have for that statement Gregory?

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  9. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: paul emery | 21 November 2020 at 08:12 AM
    What proof do you have for that statement Gregory?

    Go Matlock go……!

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  10. NC Right Wing Watch Avatar
    NC Right Wing Watch

    Do you guys really enjoy being Cult Members? The whole thing is funny to watch. Sidney Powell is full of SHIT. Not a single person here has stated the obvious.

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  11. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE 520pm – Paul, I think you misunderstand what a court does with introduced evidence. It does not launch a new investigation, but merely decides whether there need be a trial given the evidence for a complaint or wrong doing, and whether parties have appropriate standing to deal with the court. The trial itself will determine the verity and impact the evidence has on the complaint.
    Greg 542pm – “Chill out.”??!! Interesting response given my most reasonable 519pm.

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  12. paul emery Avatar
    paul emery

    George
    I appreciate you informing you on this process. So if there needs to be a trial there first must be an investigation and arrests right? that of course would involve law enforcement investigating and making arrests if appropriate. Either way it would take months. For example look how long it took to slam the sleaze Maninfort.
    So the question is how this process would effect the election results. If indeed the courts determined after a trial that Biden broke the law then impeachment would be the remedy and he would have the same privileges that Trump exercised as POTUS. Of course that wouldn’t apply to others arrested if it came to that.
    Either way it would take a long time and wouldn’t change the reality that Biden is the President elect.

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  13. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    “I appreciate you informing you on this process.”
    Well, at least you are informed by you.

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  14. paul emery Avatar
    paul emery

    Thanks for catching the typo Bill. You’re good at that. As usual you have no input on the subject but who cares.

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  15. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    “So the question is how this process would effect the election results. If indeed the courts determined after a trial that Biden broke the law then impeachment would be the remedy and he would have the same privileges that Trump exercised as POTUS. Of course that wouldn’t apply to others arrested if it came to that.”
    Punchy… can you think of any court hearings… that aren’t criminal? Like when a citizen sues in XXXXX court to protest some government action and requesting a XXXXX court order to remedy the problem?
    “What a maroon! What an ignoranimus!”
    -bugs

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  16. paul emery Avatar
    paul emery

    Well Gregory the scope of the conspiracy that Rudy alleges suggests a massive international conspiracy that would defiantly require a criminal investigation.

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  17. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    gr 1133am
    You had written, “Without releasable evidence of fraud, Trump should move on and start planning for 2024 if he still feels electable. But in the meantime, the investigations into the various kinds of reported fraud should continue, if only to determine ways to make future elections more secure.”.
    That they do not want to publicly release what they have, showing their hand to the jackals in the press and their opposition (but I repeat myself), does not mean they should drop out and think about 2024. It means everyone needs to CHILL OUT.

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  18. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE 1152am – Not sure that all such evidence submittals require extensive investigations, but they probably will have to pass before a grand jury to hand down an indictment. I’m not quibbling about the timeliness of it all, and have said so. If it’s criminal, and will take a long pre-trial time to sort out by Trump’s lawyers and LE agencies, then I’ve already said that the transition should be started and Biden be sworn in. What more do you want?

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  19. George Rebane Avatar

    Gregory 239pm – don’t recall anyone suggesting that they drop the investigations. Like walking and chewing gum, Team Trump can continue the investigations and think about 2024.

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  20. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Well Punchy (233pm), that would be another process altogether and I doubt it would happen at all if Biden gets sworn in on 1/20/2021.
    What Sidney and Rudy will be arguing in the next week or three is in a XXXXX court, not a criminal court. Can you fill in the blanks for XXXXX?

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  21. paul emery Avatar
    paul emery

    Even if it’s a Civil Court Gregory the facts still need to be verified if there is a legal judgement to be rendered. That of course take time.

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  22. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Pick a card, any card. Just The News has too many links to post to keep up on what is happening. Patience is needed in the Year of the Reckoning.
    https://justthenews.com/
    Oh, voter fraud does not need an investigation. It’s just needs an injunction from a judge. That’s the Dem playbook. First do judge shopping and run to the most sympathetic fellow or lady in a black robe. Didn’t Biden treat Justice Thomas rather shamefully? Anyway, if Sydney is shooting blanks, then it’s over. If not, then it is beautiful in it’s unfolding. A rose.
    Just takes a judge to throw out a state here, a state there. Wouldn’t that be a fine mess. Queen Nan, the temporary POTUS. Lol

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  23. paul emery Avatar
    paul emery

    Pennsylvania’s Republican senator, Pat Toomey, congratulated President-elect Joe Biden and Vice President-elect Kamala Harris on Saturday night.
    Earlier in the day, a judge in Pennsylvania ended the Trump campaign’s legal efforts after Rudy Giuliani’s legal team could not provide evidence to back up their conspiracy theories and delusions about the facts and the law.
    Direct quote from Sen Pat Toomey
    “With today’s decision by Judge Matthew Brann, a longtime conservative Republican whom I know to be a fair and unbiased jurist, to dismiss the Trump campaign’s lawsuit President Trump has exhausted all plausible legal options to challenge the result of the presidential race in Pennsylvania,” Toomey said in a statement.
    “I congratulate President-elect Biden and Vice President-elect Kamala Harris on their victory. They are both dedicated public servants and I will be praying for them and for our country,”
    https://www.rawstory.com/2020/11/pennsylvanias-gop-senator-admits-biden-won-trump-has-exhausted-all-plausible-legal-options/

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  24. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    The pony tail of ignorance loves him some rawstory. Problem for him is –
    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/11/21/trump-lawyers-pennsylvania-lawsuit-dismissal-moves-us-closer-to-supreme-court/
    😉

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  25. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Golly, Punch 248pm, if you’d bothered to read the piece by Dersh, he seemed to think there was plenty of time to work some magic in court.
    But in general you don’t read and when you do read, you don’t understand or remember.

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  26. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    There is a wee bit of time left, but Gregory gets my vote for the quote of the weekend.
    “To Err is Human
    To really screw things up takes a computer”
    -wisdom circa 1965

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  27. paul emery Avatar
    paul emery

    I did read it Gregory and thought it interesting but not a likely scenerio. What is ol’Dersh up to now days? Don’t hear much about him. Last I heard he endorsed Joe Biden
    “Alan Dershowitz, a longtime Harvard law professor and frequent contributor to Fox News, said Thursday he could “enthusiastically” support Joe Biden over Donald Trump if the two meet in the 2020 presidential race.
    But Dershowitz would not support Bernie Sanders, he said in a report from The Hill.
    Speaking on The Dan Abrams Show on Sirius XM Dershowitz told host Dan Abrams that he has liked Biden “a long time.”
    “I’m a strong supporter of Joe Biden. I like Joe Biden. I’ve liked him for a long time, and I could enthusiastically support Joe Biden,” Dershowitz said on the show.
    Abrams then asked, “Over Donald Trump?”
    “Over Donald Trump, yeah,” Dershowitz said.”
    https://www.newsweek.com/alan-dershowitz-says-he-would-enthusiastically-vote-biden-over-trump-2020-matchup-1443945

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  28. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    Giving away the hispanic vote with socialist retoric and defund the police and the green new deal. Its going to stick and will pay big dividends in two years! –
    But, in interviews with more than a dozen experts on Hispanic voters in six states, no factor was as salient as Trump’s blue-collar appeal for Latinos.
    “Most Latinos identify first as working-class Americans, and Trump spoke to that,” said Josh Zaragoza, a top Democratic data specialist in Arizona, adding that Hispanic men in particular “are very entrepreneurial. Their economic language is more aligned with the way Republicans speak: pulling yourself up by your bootstraps, owning your own business.”
    And then there’s the way the left spoke — or were framed by Trump’s campaign for speaking. Calls to “defund the police,” a boycott of Goya Foods and the threat of socialism turned off some Latino voters. And even using the term Latinx to describe Latinos in a way that’s gender-neutral only served to puzzle many Hispanics.
    “About 97 percent of Latinos don’t say ‘Latinx,’” Zaragoza said, referring to a Pew Research poll on the subject. “We’re building strategies around young progressive activists and organizations — and they’re necessary and we appreciate what they do.
    “But a lot of Latino voters are focused on ‘I’m a hardworking American trying to feed my family or build a business,’ and a lot of this language doesn’t speak to them.”
    https://currently.att.yahoo.com/news/culture-wars-fuel-trump-blue-120032820.html
    😉

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