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Sandbox – 1sep20

[So here’s the drill about the riots.  According to the Big Liberal Lie Factory, up until last week there were no riots, only peaceful protests for social justice – ask anybody in the Dem leadership including Bumblebrain.  This week this position became ludicrous even for the country’s liberal contingent.  So a massive pivot was necessary and pulled off on the Sunday lamestream talk shows.  This week the riots are suddenly real, and have been so for some months, all caused by President Trump inciting white nationalists to violence from the White House.  Now that’s a more palatable version of reality for all the land's leftists.  gjr]

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  1. paul emery Avatar
    paul emery

    Here’s a Trump snuggle from Scott to start with:
    Responding to scenes 8:01
    “I would agree with your scenario about Russia, but the ‘glue’ holding it together is ultimately too weak. Putin is on the right track as he has done his best with what he has to work with, but it won’t last. My opinion. Could be wrong.
    Posted by: Scott O | 04 September 2020 at 08:07 AM

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  2. paul emery Avatar
    paul emery

    A cuddle for Putin From Scenes 8:01
    “Is Russia high-functioning? No, not particularly. Is it more stable than the West? I’d say yes. Putin strikes me as a man with more geopolitical insight than other heads of state.”
    What scenes are saying s Russia is more stable than our democratic Western allies and ourselves. Yay for dictators like Putin who offer ransoms for killing American solders in Afghanistan and for interfering with our elections.

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  3. fish Avatar
    fish

    He’s adorable when he thinks he’s made a legitimate discovery or had a profound insight.

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  4. paul emery Avatar
    paul emery

    Thanks for the applause fish but actually the the quote is from Scott not me so he is the one you should be back slapping.

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  5. scenes Avatar
    scenes

    Paul’s candidate speaks and whatnot.
    https://twitter.com/Evenings_Seq/status/1301661113600204800

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  6. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Putin does have one thing in his favor that we do not have here. Vladdy has the the national heritage of the ethnic Russian people. Russia lost 20 million people in WW2. Losing that many people leaves a mark in the psych of the whole nation. Maybe bigger than the effect the A Bomb had on Japan. A people with a history of suffering, from Ivan the Terrible and Peter and Catherine the Great to present. The Russian culture. Don’t ever kid yourself. The Russian people as tough as nails. It’s in their blood.
    Brilliant move to reopen the Orthodox Churches. Part of the Russian people’s heritage and culture. That’s how Putin is fighting division. Vllady, ruler of Russia.

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  7. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: paul emery | 04 September 2020 at 01:08 PM
    ……like I said…..adorable!

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  8. scenes Avatar
    scenes

    PaulE: “What scenes are(sic) saying s Russia is more stable than our democratic Western allies and ourselves.”
    At this point, I’d say that it actually is more stable. Dunno what the problem is. Mass immigration will see to that if nothing else does.
    Just because the KVMR news crew is anti-Russian doesn’t mean you can’t give credit where credit is due. Singapore is more stable, and they cane people for vandalism.
    lol. Dude, you are such a pinhead.

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  9. scenes Avatar
    scenes

    scotto: “”I would agree with your scenario about Russia, but the ‘glue’ holding it together is ultimately too weak. Putin is on the right track as he has done his best with what he has to work with, but it won’t last. My opinion. Could be wrong.”
    Honestly, I probably won’t live long enough to see the outcome of the bet. Probably 50+ years is needed. One thing they have going for them are truly old civic institutions (beginning in Ukraine oddly enough). Check out their new military cathedral, these are people who are investing in a common culture.
    Now that they have wandered back to a more historical model, as opposed to the 7 (or so) decade long dalliance with an insane and unworkable religion called communism, the main thing I see up in the air is the problem of succession. Of course, the US is ahead of them there with the 2016 refusal to accept the results of a Presidential election.

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  10. scenes Avatar
    scenes

    “Former foes Kosovo and Serbia have agreed on a historic pact to normalize economic relations, US President Donald Trump announced Friday at the White House.
    “A truly historic day,” Trump said, with Kosovo Prime Minister Avdullah Hoti and Serbian President Aleksandar Vucic sitting beside him in the Oval Office.
    “Serbia and Kosovo have announced economic cooperation on a broad range of issues.”
    Serbia and its former territory, which declared independence in 2008, remain bitter over a bloody war fought two decades ago.
    The European Union failed for nearly a decade to broker a thaw in relations.”
    https://news.yahoo.com/trump-announces-historic-accord-between-163913531.html
    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-economic-serbia-kosovo-white-house
    In the meantime, Joey Fingers rewrites lightbulb history while farting.

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  11. Scott O Avatar
    Scott O

    Paul 12:18 – “Here’s a Trump snuggle from Scott to start with:”
    A ‘Trump’ snuggle? You’re as bad as Biden. Hello – It’s Friday!
    I’ll repeat myself, since Paul seems to have an extremely poor memory – “Putin is nothing more than a fairly successful mafia thug.”
    Now I’ll have to explain to Paul as he’s way too stupid. A ‘mafia thug’ is not a positive thing to be viewed as.
    But Paul has his narrative and his herd of deceased equines to flog until doomsday.
    Have at it, Paul.

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  12. Scott O Avatar
    Scott O

    scenes 2:00 – The LSM will either ignore the news or spin it as something bad.

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  13. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    So Scenes, Scott you are saying that Russia is more stable than the US. That “stability” includes poisoning political opposition. Are you recommending that path to secure our stability? Also how about elections that allow Putin to be President till 2036. Is that what you have in mind for Trump?
    “Russian voters overwhelmingly back a ploy by President Vladimir Putin to rule until 2036”
    https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/01/europe/russia-referendum-putin-power-2036-intl/index.html
    Also
    ‘No Doubt’ That Navalny Poisoning Was Russian Operation, Former CIA Russia Chief Says
    https://www.npr.org/2020/09/03/909243842/no-doubt-that-navalny-poisoning-was-russian-operation-former-cia-russia-chief-sa

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  14. Scott O Avatar
    Scott O

    Right on cue – whip that horse, Paul – give him what-for!

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  15. paul emery Avatar
    paul emery

    Fox News confirms Trumps statements concerning soldiers and the military
    https://www.rawstory.com/2020/09/fox-news-confirms-shocking-story-on-trumps-contempt-for-american-troops-after-the-president-argued-it-was-fake/
    Tweets from Fox News Jennifer Griffin
    Jennifer Griffin
    @JenGriffinFNC
    National Security Correspondent

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  16. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    So punchy, you are saying Trump is subservient to Putin… still?
    RIP van Punchy has been dozing… have you also missed the fact of George Floyd’s death being due to an opioid OD?

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  17. scenes Avatar
    scenes

    lmfao. What a weasel.
    https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1301951131610832896

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  18. Scott O Avatar
    Scott O

    I’ll agree the Russian people are mostly a pretty tough bunch. They have to be. Their weather is about as cheery as Scotland or worse and through all of their history the masses have never had very much.
    The contemporary stories I read of folks that travel through that vast land are mostly pretty complimentary of their basic nature.
    It does seem that though that they have never managed to be led by anything but a series of despotic tyrants.
    It ends up being a matter of keeping the people fed and happy. The Czars failed. The various commies failed. Putin keeps their minds occupied by either the actual re-acquisition of land or the promise of it. There is a heavy percentage of Russians that would be happy to put a bullet in his head. He could end up like Castro and die of old age, but he’ll have to have a lot of lucky bounces to get him there. He survives by making enemies and then either killing them or neutering them. That could could catch up with him.

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  19. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    His death was considered murder Gregory and accused offiverrs have been charged. Direct quotes below
    The medical examiner’s final findings, issued June 1,[85] classified Floyd’s death as a homicide caused by “a cardiopulmonary arrest while being restrained” by officers who had subjected Floyd to “neck compression”.

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  20. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    I’m saying Scott and Scenes are complimenting the “stability” of Russia under Putin. IN other words saying -good job, better than our country.

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  21. Scott O Avatar
    Scott O

    scenes 2:35 – Don’t forget that in less than 4 years, Trump has created decades of white supremacy and hatred.
    You need to have a heavy dose of TDS and then it’s all clear and logical.

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  22. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Rip van Punchy 242pm
    You slept right through the news. I understand.
    It was a fentanyl overdose.

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  23. scenes Avatar
    scenes

    Paul ‘Punchy’ Emergy sez: ”
    So Scenes, Scott you are saying that Russia is more stable than the US. That “stability” includes poisoning political opposition. ”
    Actually I don’t think Scott made that claim. No doubt that’s more ‘newscraft’ on your part.
    Assuming that the 17 intelligence agencies have never poisoned anyone, aside from Castro I suppose, there’s actually some history in Russia of that sort of thing. Toxicology, no doubt, is always of some interest to intelligence services.
    Oddly, it’s a thing I know something about. The main player in the Stalin years was a doctor named Maironovsky who designed poisons for the KGB, although that office was actually begun under Lenin. He was caught up in the Stalin ‘Jewish doctor’ purge, goes to prison, Stalin dies, Beria succeedes Ignatiev, Mairnovsky sends lots of letters to Beria, Beria gets arrested, letters are used to charge him yet again for completely different reasons, gets out of jail in 1961. Palace politics can be Byzantine at the least.
    To answer your question, I’d pose two statements.
    . Things are a lot dirtier in the real world than you might think. Hillary, after all, caused the Libyan head of state to be sodomized to death with a broomstick. It’s certainly a more ignominious way to go than poison. Perhaps an exception could be made for a small, modern first world monoculture with high standards (Switzerland, Iceland).
    . There’s nothing inherently stable about Western representative democracies, it’s too early to tell. In the US, a civil war in 1860 (by slave owners) and a threatened one in 2020 (by a consortium of Democratic Party apparatchiks and identity groups) show that there’s no innate stability here. For all I know, a combination of diversity (and lack of social cohesion), the disappearance of the western frontier, and lack of a truly dangerous common enemy might be enough to guarantee that the US doesn’t make old bones.
    tl;dr Sure, sometimes.

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  24. Scott O Avatar
    Scott O

    No, Paul – I never ‘complimented’ the stability of Russia. And I never said Russia was ‘more’ stable than the US.
    You made a jackass comment about me being a Putin-cuddler. Don’t try to walk it back.

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  25. Scott O Avatar
    Scott O

    Paul – “His death was considered murder…”
    So, no need for a trial, then?

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  26. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Show me the offical autopsy report Gregory used as a basis for prosecution. That’s what I quoted. You might be referring to the information claimed by the defense which of course might be part of the trial. He had many physical ailments and conditions but specifically death was caused by, and I quote once again “The medical examiner’s final findings, issued June 1,[85] classified Floyd’s death as a homicide caused by “a cardiopulmonary arrest while being restrained” by officers who had subjected Floyd to “neck compression”.

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  27. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Death was cardiac arrest, not asphyxiation. His lungs were heavy with fluid (“I can’t breathe”), a feature of a fentanyl overdose and he had a fentanyl blood level 3 or 4 times the fatal for non-addicts.
    No way a jury would convict. The judge is now on the horns of an enema (sic) and has a decision to make.
    That will mean all three of the founding outrages of the BLM are bogus.

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  28. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Rip van Punchy 310pm
    “used as a basis for prosecution”
    There has yet to be a prosecution. The pre-trial persecution is all we have.

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  29. scenes Avatar
    scenes

    “No way a jury would convict. ”
    Yah, it’s a funny problem. The victim/perp has grossly oversized lungs, heart problems, deadly levels of illegal drugs, is acting rather crazy, is physically large, didn’t die of strangulation, is restrained via standard operating procedure so far as I can tell. ‘I can’t breathe’ occurs at numerous times during the arrest, not just during the final act.
    It’s certainly possible to murder somebody who is extremely fragile (eggshell defense?), but then you run up into the immunities given LEOs (for good reason).
    But…it’s a political trial. In the current world of lawfare, we’ve had some and we’ll have some more.
    “a cardiopulmonary arrest while being restrained” lol. I guess if they said “a cardiopulmonary arrest while getting a haircut” the barber would be for the high jump. Parsing a sentence isn’t Paul’s strong suit.

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  30. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Scott writes “no need for a trial then”
    His death was considered murder, that was the crime. Next step is to try those accused. Thought you knew the difference but it appears you don’t between the definition of a crime and the investigation, arrest indictment and verdict rendered by the Judge or jury. Hope I helped you learn the difference.
    Gregory, are you saying he would have died anyway at that time even if the police didn’t lay a hand on him?

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  31. scenes Avatar
    scenes

    PaulE: “His death was considered murder,”
    There’s no such thing as a charge of ‘murder’.

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  32. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Rip van Punchy 352pm
    Well, I can’t rule out divine intervention, can you?
    I’d like to hear when/if Floyd was given a first dose of narcan.

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  33. scenes Avatar
    scenes

    Worth a read. Details on the arrest.
    http://www.mncourts.gov/mncourtsgov/media/High-Profile-Cases/27-CR-20-12951-TKL/Memorandum07072020.pdf

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  34. scenes Avatar
    scenes

    From the motion to dismiss:
    “Floyd is acting erratic and has foam around his mouth.
    Lane and Kueng begin to walk Floyd to the squad vehicle to control the scene.
    Floyd continues to move around and falls down.
    When approaching the squad car Floyd tells the officers he is claustrophobic, Lane tells Floyd he will crack the window and turn on the air conditioning for him.
    The officers attempt to get Floyd into the squad car and tell him multiple times to take a seat.
    Floyd does not take a seat and starts saying he is going to die. ”
    Judging from the autopsy and this kind of thing, I’d say that the answer to this:
    “Gregory, are you saying he would have died anyway at that time even if the police didn’t lay a hand on him?”
    Could easily be yes.

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  35. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    The pony tail of ignorance @222 obviously got fooled by the talking points for lefties and a junk source. No wonder he only printed her name not her content. Tells a different story –
    Replying to @JenGriffinFNC
    President Trump’s staff explained he could cancel (his visit to the cemetery), but he was warned, ‘They (the press) are going to kill you for this’.” The President was mad as a hornet when they did.
    Jennifer Griffin
    @JenGriffinFNC
    When asked IF the President could have driven to the Aisne-Marne Cemetery, this former official said confidently:
    “The President drives a lot. The other world leaders drove to the cemeteries. He just didn’t want to go.”
    1:08 PM · Sep 4, 2020
    Former national security adviser John Bolton, who has openly opposed Trump, saying he will vote for neither the president nor Joe Biden in November, wrote a scathing memoir about his time in the White House. In a passage in that memoir, Bolton actually defends Trump over the decision not to go to the Aisne-Marne.
    Pompeo: I never heard the president speak ill of service members
    Secretary of State Mike Pompeo responds to report President Trump called fallen soldiers ‘losers’ and ‘suckers.’
    “Marine One’s crew was saying that bad visibility could make it imprudent to chopper to the cemetery,” Bolton wrote. “The ceiling was not too low for Marines to fly in combat, but flying POTUS was obviously something very different. If a motorcade were necessary, it could take between ninety and a hundred and twenty minutes each way, along roads that were not exactly freeways, posing an unacceptable risk that we could not get the President out of France quickly enough in case of an emergency. It was a straightforward decision to cancel the visit…”
    Bolton later added: “The press turned canceling the cemetery visit into a story that Trump was afraid of the rain and took glee in pointing out that other world leaders traveled around during the day. Of course, none of them were the President of the United States, but the press didn’t understand that rules for US Presidents are different from rules for 190 other leaders who don’t command the world’s greatest military forces.”
    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-didnt-cancel-visit-to-american-military-cemetery-in-france-over-disdain-for-slain-veterans-sources-say
    😉

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  36. scenes Avatar
    scenes

    re: DonB@4:13PM
    Out on the interwebz I also ran into the message sent informing the helicopter crew about the weather.
    Oh well, it was fun while it lasted. Funny thing is, in a month or two, the very same story will emerge as if the truth never happened.
    On other matters, I was just enjoying watching Biden voters do their thing.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zhk5sWzdkKE
    The patience of the police is absolutely amazing sometimes.

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  37. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    Speaking of creepy grampa joe, with the lamestream lapdogs he is as protected as if he is in the basement. –
    https://www.foxnews.com/media/biden-press-conference-shamefully-embarrassing-questions-reporters
    😉

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  38. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Maybe our Lefty friends would like to discuss the riots. I hope so. FYI, the very definition of looting requires the use of violence.
    ‘Rioting over a narrative‘
    The carnage was sparked by an image of a racist America that is simply false.
    https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/09/01/rioting-over-a-narrative/

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  39. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    Something for the pony tail of ignorance to ruminate on –
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/poll-2-in-3-voters-say-it-s-likely-that-people-lie-when-taking-political-surveys/ar-BB18IJJU
    😉

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  40. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    Well that does not bode well for creepy grampa joe and whats her name –
    https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/515128-over-90-percent-say-civil-unrest-will-be-key-issue-in-presidential-race
    😉

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  41. Scott O Avatar
    Scott O

    Paul 3:52 – “Scott writes “no need for a trial then”
    His death was considered murder, that was the crime.
    I was being sarcastic, Paul. Of course there needs to be a trial. Some might consider his death a murder, but others do not. As far as ‘that was the crime’…
    Really?
    Oh, I guess no need for a trial, then.
    Paul is really, really, slow today.

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  42. Scott O Avatar
    Scott O

    scenes 4:37 – That’s actually pretty racist. He’s talking to them as if they were children. Because they’re black. If I stood out in the street blocking traffic, no cop in the world would feel a need to ‘explain’ why we can’t stand out in the street and block traffic.
    I might get a warning, but it would be something along the lines of ‘get your ass out of street now or I’ll run you in!’
    Probably they’d just walk out and grab me and haul me off to the sidewalk and cite me.
    Cause I have ‘white privilege’.

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  43. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    Audacity of dope, i like that –
    https://www.breitbart.com/2020-election/2020/09/04/charles-hurt-the-audacity-of-dope-the-life-and-times-of-joseph-r-biden/
    😉

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  44. Scott O Avatar
    Scott O

    BT 4:38 – ‘Rioting over a narrative‘
    There’s nothing new about govts or political leaders in using an incident to inflame the public on false grounds.
    The coal bunker explosion on the Maine was handy to help the nation want war with Spain and the sinking of the Lusitania did the trick to get the US into the ‘Great War’.
    Lately though it’s getting even worse in regards to what is claimed vs what actually happened. Clinton was ever at the ready to score political points over crimes and tragedies in shameless ways.
    McVeigh supposedly bombed the Murrah building because of Rush Limbaugh even though there was never any proof McVeigh even listened to Rush. When a drug deal went wrong in Montana and the meth freaks killed a human who happened to be a known homosexual, Clinton rushed to the scene to stand on his dead body to decry the folks that killed him simply because he was gay.
    Currently we have an on-going narrative that black folk are being hunted down and murdered everyday by white supremacists. This is ‘proven’ because 100 years ago blacks did have to worry about whites unjustly killing them. Today there is zero proof, but who cares?
    The left can never find enough dead bodies to stand on to try to make their point. Just get the narrative going and if anyone dares to point out it is false, just attack them as racist. This is now a deadly spiral and it might be out of anyone’s control. If the left continues their game they will find they are the biggest losers, but there will be scores of innocent folks dead in the meantime.

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  45. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    Let this sink in TDS sufferers –
    Friday’s Rasmussen Reports approval rating for Trump was 52%. At the same time, 48 percent disapprove. Strong feelings for the president are equal on both sides– 42 percent strongly approve of the president’s job and 42 percent strongly disapprove.
    The last time Trump hit 52 percent approval was late February, weeks before coronavirus lockdowns kicked in.
    The highest approval rating Trump has had was in late September 2019, at 53 percent, according to Rasmussen. The highest former President Barack Obama had was 52 percent, in late January 2011.
    In past reelections, both Obama and President George W. Bush had a 51 percent approval on the day they won.
    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-approval-up-pre-coronavirus
    😉

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  46. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    As subtle as a brick having the commercial in the hand before the lie –
    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/09/04/pollak-the-stunning-synergy-of-the-atlantics-anonymous-attack-on-president-donald-trump/
    😉

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  47. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    Here is your peaceful protest –
    “The Multnomah County District Attorney’s Office requested additional follow up to determine the strength of the laser and the extent of the victim’s injury,” the district attorney’s office said. “Law enforcement found the laser was so powerful that it would burn through paper and cause dry material to catch fire, according to court documents.”
    A blue laser was found in Kelley’s back pocket when he was arrested, and Kelley admitted that he knew it could do damage to an eye, according to the DA.
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/protester-accused-pointing-powerful-laser-222538941.html
    😉

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  48. scenes Avatar
    scenes

    “Law enforcement found the laser was so powerful that it would burn through paper”
    It’s an interesting question for a singularly evil tactic. Should a blinding laser be cause for a rooftop sniper if he can get a clean shot? If not, why not?
    No doubt the next step would be to surround the Laserguy with a bunch of protesting ‘moms’ or ‘medics’.
    You do have to wonder what the police procedure will be if someone in the giant crowd actually shoots at them. These protests are all about optics to get that perfect picture to send to CNN so you know they don’t want a shooter, but they’re bound to attract more and more crazies.

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  49. paul emery Avatar
    paul emery

    Add this to Trumps cavalcade of lies. He tweeted today:
    “I never called … John a loser and swear on whatever, or whoever, I was asked to swear on, that I never called our great fallen soldiers anything other than HEROES,” Trump tweeted today.
    Except Trump has most definitely called McCain a loser — in fact, he was so proud of doing so in 2015 that he tweeted a headline of him saying exactly that. When McCain died, in August 2018, Trump told his senior staff, according to three sources with direct knowledge of this event, “We’re not going to support that loser’s funeral,” and he became furious, according to witnesses, when he saw flags lowered to half-staff. “What the f— are we doing that for? Guy was a f—ing loser,” the president told aides.
    As noted above, Trump did call McCain a “loser” in 2015, questioning his status as a war hero and saying of the former prisoner of war, “I like people who weren’t captured.”
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/09/04/trumps-callous-alleged-comments-about-veterans-vs-whats-hes-said-very-publicly/

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  50. George Rebane Avatar
    George Rebane

    PaulE 854pm – for the record, you got that one right. Now, you want to address some the iniquities from your side?

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