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[In the intro to the last Sandbox, my invitation to readers to discuss the dollar-value of human life went over like a turd in a punchbowl.  It appears that the best approach to discussing the value of human lives is just to bloviate with a lot of virtue signalling thrown in.  That's supposed to divert the reader from discovering that the writer has no idea what he's talking about.  Public policies are supposed to be made with some regard to a broadly agreed on dollar-value of a human life, but only, I guess, if the public gives a damn.  Oh well.  gjr]

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440 responses to “Sandbox – 24jun20”

  1. Scott O Avatar

    Clueless Mary – “More evidence of Trump’s incompetent administration.”
    You’re swinging wildly, Mary – the feds have been that way for decades.
    And these are the folks that you want to provide our health care, and send out the voting ballots.
    Think about it.

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  2. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Scott O | 25 June 2020 at 07:58 AM
    Think about it.

    That’s directed at “Mary”? Funniest thing on the thread!
    /hat tip

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  3. keith Avatar
    keith

    Mary Wanna @ 7:06…Have you also counted how many mail-in ballots have been sent to dead people?

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  4. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    Researching the polls on RCP and did my best to see the underlying breakdowns of party affiliations. Hard to find. But when you do they all tend to weight ten points up for the left. No wonder the numbers are so skewed. Rassmussen uses likely voters and that seems to be more accurate.

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  5. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Thanks for nothing, Trump. They want 50 dollars for a box of deck screws!
    Well, there are things in life worse that the price of deck screws. We do have a choice.
    “ELECT JOE BIDEN AND THE ANARCHY WILL BE COMING TO A TOWN NEAR YOU”
    https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/06/elect-joe-biden-and-the-anarchy-will-be-coming-to-a-town-near-you.php
    “I’m Joe Biden and I approve this…this…er…you know, the thing.”
    —————————-
    POLL: AMERICANS ARE CONCERNED THAT CRITICISM OF POLICE WILL REDUCE SAFETY
    “If you follow the news as presented by the mainstream media, you might well infer that America has lost its mind, at least insofar as policing is concerned. As depicted by the media, the current debate is between those who want to abolish the police and those who merely want to hamstring it.
    However, a new Rasmusssen poll indicates that, combined, these two positions — abolish and hamstring — have little public support. Americans are worried about too little policing, not too much. We haven’t lost our minds.”
    https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/06/poll-americans-are-concerned-that-criticism-of-police-will-reduce-safety.php
    How can the Leftists loose something they never had? A mind is a terrible thing to waste.

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  6. Mary Wanna Avatar

    1.1 dead people received checks. Let’s see how many are cashed.

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  7. Mary Wanna Avatar

    That’s 1.1 Million dead people…

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  8. George Rebane Avatar

    re Mary Wanna et al – Their ignorance about the operation of government bureaucracies manifests itself daily, here and elsewhere. Career government employees overwhelmingly are made up of and managed by liberals, progressives, Marxists, socialists, communists, …, and leftists in general. These people have aggregated to such jobs because merit is not high on the job requirements list, as are e.g. class memberships, and governments are always the employers of last resort offering sinecures succored by public employees unions. To think that an incoming administration of a different political stripe can reach down into the bowels of the beast and make significant changes during their short tenure (where are you going to get that many incompetent libertarians and conservatives?) is beyond naive.
    No, we’re going to be stuck with those dummies forever, for it is the nature of government, and also the prime reason why I and mine want to minimize its role in our economy and lives.

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  9. scenes Avatar
    scenes

    Mary Wanna@ 11:13 June 25, Year Zero “That’s 1.1 Million dead people…”
    THANK YOU FELLOW CITIZEN. THAT IS MANY POTENTIAL VOTERS, BUT WE HAVE WORK TO DO!
    UNFURL THIS THREAD TO SEE THE MANY TRIUMPHS!
    https://twitter.com/SpeechUnion/status/1269314030663012352
    THERE ARE MANY ENEMIES OF THE STATE STILL COMMITTING SABOTAGE! THEY MUST BE ROOTED OUT!! ONWARD TO FINAL VICTORY!!

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  10. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    Creepy grampa joe needs a digital stand in. I guess that’s what they mean by a virtual convention –
    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/06/25/nolte-joe-biden-cant-even-say-a-sentence-properly-for-a-pre-recorded-ad/
    😉

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  11. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Rasmussen today is 47% fer, 51% ag’in.
    That’s 1% above Obama’s support at the same time of his first term.
    Not great, but not horrible either.

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  12. keith Avatar
    keith

    And Mary Wanna, how many if the 1.1 million dead people received ballots. Have you researched that, MAry?

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  13. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Gregory
    Rasmussen is way out of sync with all other polls. Why do you believe them? The have wild mood swings. Just a week or so ago they were -12. Can you explain that?
    I only take consensus polls seriously and they paint a pretty grim picture for Trump at this time.
    RCP has Trump at -12.8 job approval even factoring in Rasmussen’s -4. Fox has Trump at -11 for example which has Trump furious.
    “The damning figures for Trump and his campaign are likely to draw a rebuke from the president, who has disparaged pollsters that publish unflattering findings. Trump has accused Fox News of publishing “phony” polls, and the Trump campaign demanded CNN apologize for some of its findings (CNN refused).”
    https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/18/fox-news-poll-trump-biden-329153
    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_approval-6179.html

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  14. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    TDS ragin @145
    😉

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  15. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    punchy 145pm
    C’mon, punch, you jump at any poll that gives you a number you can cream over, generally using the silly one number for the spread which gives you double the bad news… if you don’t report the good news for the other guy. Which you don’t.
    Polls are polls. There’s only one that counts.

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  16. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: scenes | 25 June 2020 at 02:03 PM
    You find the best stuff……

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  17. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    I focus on consensus polls Gregory occasionally looking at individual polls. Why do you ignore them and only pay attention to Rasmussen? By the way what is the “good news” about Trump in the polls that you see today?

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  18. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    There is no “consensus” poll, Punch.

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  19. fish Avatar
    fish

    Hah……

    FACE, MEET PALM:

    The Dixie Chicks Drop the Geographical Reference, Retain the Sexist One.

    https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/bryan-preston/2020/06/25/the-dixie-chicks-drop-the-geographical-reference-retain-the-sexist-one-n577154

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  20. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    They let creepy grampa joe out of the basement again OY VEY!
    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-wrongly-says-we-have-over-120-million-dead-from-covid
    😉

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  21. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    OK Gregory now about Average Polls if that sounds better to you. Let me re ask my question:
    I focus on average polls Gregory occasionally looking at individual polls. Why do you ignore them and only pay attention to Rasmussen? By the way what is the “good news” about Trump in the polls that you see today?
    Here’s a couple of examples that look grim for Trump.
    RCP Average-Trump vs Biden Biden by 10:
    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_biden-6247.html
    RCP Trump job approval average of polls-Trump -12.8
    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_approval-6179.html
    What about these numbers is good Gregory?

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  22. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    Consensus polls? No you lazy “journalist” you must read the poll itself but you are so lame you never so. And if all the polls are skewed (which they are) to the left, then the consensus polls are untrustworthy. Rasmussen uses true factual data and does not use “push polls” to get the desired result. Gregory is spot on and the lamestream stenographer we all know as Paul is not.

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  23. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    So Todd are you going or the “unskewed polls” bit again? You used those polls and predicted Romney would win over Obama and he lost by 126 electoral votes. What an idiot you are. You don’t learn do you?

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  24. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Todd
    Rasmussen was off by 5 in that election. Rhey picked Romney by 1 and Obama won by 5
    https://www.businessinsider.com/obama-vs-romney-rasmussen-poll-final-results-election-day-2012-11

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  25. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    sp They picked Romney by 1

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  26. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    punchy… you do know the Rasmussen daily is job approval… not Trump v. Biden… don’t you?

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  27. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    Paul Emery is just lazy. He stenos for the loons and believes all they write. Very unreliable.

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  28. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Yep Gregory That’s why I sent both links to illustrate the hole Trump is in.

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  29. scenes Avatar
    scenes

    re: Gregory@3:29PM June 25, Year Zero.
    lol. Why bother? It’s like arguing with this little girl. You can see the genesis of Shining Path here.
    https://twitter.com/Phil_Johnson_/status/1276019343252262913

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  30. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Sorry the grizzly details about Trumps chances of being re-elected are tough for you scenes. Can you present information that is encouraging to his prospects?

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  31. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    I liked the NYT’s site in November of 2016 with that tachometer graphic dial. Like driving an arcade car or motorcycle. Watch it move. Percentage odds of winning. As votes being tabulated but too early to announce (except maybe one small New England state that closed @ 8 EST), the cool speedometer graphic showed this:
    Chances of winning
    Clinton 92%. Trump 8. This being on Election Day.
    From memory: ‘….while I appreciate your passion, Bill, Trump has a zero chance of winning. Zero, Nada. Big Goose Egg, ain’t going to happen.’ No possible way. No path for Trump to win.
    That was 3 weeks before Election Day and I felt down for an hour.
    Turn the page. When Punchy finally found a poll to comfort himself with and snatch victory out of total embarrassing utter defeat a year or two later, he causally mention that 538 was within the 3.5 margin of error, so Punchy got close.
    Well, 0.000% chance of winning is not even in the same ballpark as “within the margin of error.” Zero chance, Bill. The Republicans better start rebuilding their pathetic party after their pathetic performance by picking Trump. Gag me with a spoon. Trump? Let me say it unequivocally again: There is no possible way Trump is going to win. Not even a chance. I once respected the formerly good Republican Party. Do not deny these polls????
    Think 538 gave Trump the high mark of 19% chance and that set off a Liberal Firestorm denouncing that poll. I knew it was over a third, maybe 34%. If the doc tells you that you have a one in three chance of living through this operation, I take those odds any time. 1 in 3 odds ain’t bad. Not bad at all.
    Chucky Schummer got demoted to ranking member status. Got a cocaine snorting-Moscow cuddling-’Grim Reaper to take Chuckie’s place.
    BTW, the boyz sent Cocaine Mitch another two kilos of the good stuff….the kind the Jet Set, Hollywood Movie Stars and recording artists snort. Mitch will be all fired up, wired to max for weeks, and strut around with his pistoles a’blazing. While I personally do not condone cocaine use, it’s worth a try. We got a country to save
    Actually, Trump picked himself and the R’s just sat by and watched the New Sheriff in Town strut down Main Street looking like Yosemite Sam with pistoles a’blazing. Reddish tint to his hair as well.

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  32. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Bill
    You’ve played the Hillary loser card to death. this is now and these are polls taken in the last week. Trump is the second least popular sitting President since Roosevelt (second to Jimmy Carter) and you are giddy about his chances? Really…

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  33. scenes Avatar
    scenes

    “Sorry the grizzly details about Trumps chances of being re-elected are tough for you scenes. Can you present information that is encouraging to his prospects?”
    You might as well try to predict the DOW 5 months ahead of time. You’re like listening to one of those boring baseball statistic guys drone on and on. I haven’t paid the slightest attention to this stuff other than noticing that it just looks like a noisy stock chart.
    With all the stuff going on in the world, Paul the KVMR (all white people, all the time!) News Guy watches point changes in some poll. OCD singlemindedness? or Propagandist drawing attention from the world burning down. You decide.
    If you really are an OCD chart watcher and can’t help it, I do have to apologize for the snark.

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  34. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Also you don’t seem to understand math Bill. 19% is slightly under 20% not a third. Where did you get those numbers?

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  35. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Paul Emery | 25 June 2020 at 04:16 PM
    Sorry the grizzly details about Trumps chances of being re-elected are tough for you scenes.

    “Grizzly”……?
    /moron

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  36. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Yeah fish grizzly details-like after being attacked by a grizzly bear,

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  37. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    punch, punch, punch…
    By Rasmussen… the hole Trump is in is 1% shallower than Obama was in the same day of his first term, at the beginning of Summer.

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  38. scenes Avatar
    scenes

    “grizzly details-like after being attacked by a grizzly bear”
    the word you mean is ‘grisly’. I admit that they sound the same.

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  39. Walt Avatar

    Now it’s time for Emery to clam up.
    OK Emery,, just what does Basement Biden have to offer?
    What makes him so electable? The rioting in the streets?
    LIBSHITS running wild?
    Tell us Emery..

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  40. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Here’s a link to details about Trumps approval rating compared to all Presidents running for a 2nd term since Truman. Kennedy of course was an earlier date-day 1030-and Trumps approval number is adjusted to that date .
    These are comparisons to previous presidents at this timeline-day 1244 in their Presidency except of course Kennedy. Trump is third from the bottom with only H.W,Bush and Jimmy Carter having less approval numbers and of course they both lost in their bid for re-election.
    Trump-14.6 approval day 1244
    all others day 1244 except Kennedy
    Obama +.6
    Bush +.8
    Clinton +15
    HW Bush -19.6
    Reagan +21
    Carter -22
    Nixon +3
    Johnson +8
    Kennedy +28-day 1030
    Eisenhower +54
    Truman -5.9
    Details at his link
    https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/?cid=rrpromo

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  41. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    Trump will prevail and we can all toast the dumb opposition after the election results. Paul Emery will once again have four years to post his polls and screech about what a hole the President in in. Sorry for the libs, they are just as dumb as the skateboarders burning the cities.

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  42. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Walt
    Why don’t you contemplate why he’s doing so well against Trump in polling averages. If you do you might have some helpful ideas for your guy. You choose to ignore the reality of the situation as we stand today,

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  43. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    Its the electoral collage that matters not a generic national average, see ya in November!

    It is all certainly is becoming clearer and clearer what team 0 was up to –
    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/06/25/sidney-powell-michael-flynn-planned-audit-of-intelligence-agencies-before-fbi-interview/
    😉

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  44. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: scenes | 25 June 2020 at 05:11 PM
    I admit that they sound the same.

    Yes……poll boy didn’t know though.

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  45. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    punchy. small punchy.
    .Also you don’t seem to understand math Bill. 19% is slightly under 20% not a third. Where did you get those numbers?”
    Yep, I be a math dunce. I said the NYT gave Trump an 8% chance on Election Day afternoon, and three weeks prior 538 gave Trump a 19% chance ( or there abouts). 19 % is better than nothing, one in five chance…still not good. But I had my own polls. Bounced from 34 high to 24 low, stayed mostly around high twenties to low thirties, was inching up to 1in 4 chance (25%) to almost one in three (33.333%) and I had 34%. But something was going on Michigan.and Western Pennsylvania and another state that had no accurate in-state polling. Two weeks to go and the Blue Wall, the Firewall, the breakwater was showing signs of giving of of not holding up.
    I had 34%, looked like 39% held for awhile, then Grab Her Putang, then dropped to a momentary low of 24%, or 1in 4 rounding off. I on 4 chance of surviving the operation when the only alternative is death by not going for it. But, one in three I greatly improved my chances. Math stuff. Probabilities. Chances are……..actually, 34% was a given, 39 more likely, 45-46 % doable.
    Oh, you have your sources, I have mine. The same sources who stated unequivocally that 17 Intel Agencies DID NOT sign off on the Intelligence Report. Or was it orginally “all nineteen?”
    Let’s continue.
    “Bill. You’ve played the Hillary loser card to death. this is now and these are polls taken in the last week.”
    Oh contraire, I have not played the “Hillary Loser Card to death.” I am playing the Punchy Ponytail of Ignorance wrong prediction again card to death! If you weren’t such an arrogant (yet surprisingly so very petty) adversary who is wrong 93% percent of the time on BIG Overarching issues that matter the most, then I would not be rubbing your nose in the pile that you, and only you, left for others to clean up. “I was within the margin of error.”
    Do I deny that your polls say dark numbers for Trump. No. I do not deny what they released. Do I deny that the Wa Compost said that 17 Intel Agencies signed off on the Intel Report concerning Putin and Trump? (Talk about an October surprise!) No, I do not deny that the published polls say this is what if looks like today. Did I deny the Lib Lying Rags said 17 or 19 Intell Agencies agreed? No, I do not deny they printed that in black and white. I just deny or reject the whole premise. In fact, I reject most of your premises, so what’s their to discuss?
    What, Paul, you don’t want to talk about the road to the WH in 2016? Wanna talk about the Bush-Gore race? The Iraq War? How plastic bags are all the rage now and organic cloth grocery bags are out? Kicked to the curb?
    Hmmm. Teddy Roosevelt was the most popular President in our nation’s history for a long time. 1910 or so until even after he formed his Bull Moose Party. He was named America’s most popular in history for many years, decades. Unless you meant FRD in the 40’s.
    What does Teddy Roosevelt, Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, and Abe Lincoln all have in common (besides their likenesses being beheaded, stained with crimson blood paint, and tossed in the pond to drown? Well, what they have in common is Mt Rushmore. Come and deface them, bitches. We got a little surprise of our own. Game on.
    Nice folks you hang out with their, crack news director. Go interview the guy peddling ice cream on Broad Street or some person hang ging around the Miners Cultural Center.
    Must be hard for you to make Nevada County an utopia where every tear is wiped away by a caring community…..all the while living in a Red District.
    Just to be clear. I am not playing the Hillary loser card to death. I am playing the Punchy loser card to death…just to keep you from getting a swelled head and making outlandish statements connecting the dots and projecting some worse case scenario outcome. I got your back, Paul Emery. I have been trying my darnest to keep you from looking like an imbecile, but I have failed miserably. By task is to keep you from embarrassing yourself….like Biden’s handlers.

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  46. Walt Avatar

    Answer the question Emery…
    So you admit Biden has nothing to offer.

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