[Now that the impeachment kabuki has ended, the Senate trial will begin. But before that can proceed, Pelosi will try to squeeze some more preconditions out of McConnell before forwarding the House’s articles of impeachment. The cynical humor of the whole process goes on with Democrats continuing to accuse Republicans of unfairness along every step of the way, paying no never mind to having conducted the most blatantly partisan, unfair, and corrupt congressional circus in Congress’s long history. But the real story is again the ever-widening chasm between what now clearly are two Americas attempting to share the same government and territory while holding diametrically opposite worldviews and objectives. gjr]

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568 responses to “Sandbox – 19dec19”
Castaneda 1216pm – Not even close – it’s not my opinion, it’s NOT in the Constitution. And your reference is to legislation which has a two house requirement. Impeachment does not.
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Dr. Rebane @9:53 am.
Thank you for forgiving me. That’s the kind of guy you are.
George Rebane
“BillT 934am – All is forgiven upon completion of 10 Hail Marys, 5 Pater Nosters, and 10 laps around the cathedral in knee deep snow.
Now I would also assign you a research project. Can you discover if there is anyone Trump respects who can tell him to STFU with all the shit he spews that hides his manifold accomplishments and undermines his reelection chances? If there is such a person, we should send him/her an open letter signed by at least 100,000 of his supporters. I volunteer to be the first signatory.”
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Sorry, no can do, Doc. Errr….Sir. While under normal circumstances I would gladly say, “You’re wish is my commando,” I going to let you down on this one. Tell it to ya straight. Ain’t going to happen.
Of sure, Trump left DC fuming but now he good and riled up. He might even act Presidential when doing Presidential things for a couple of months. But, he is going for the throat now. He is going to unleash on them from the Spring until Election Day. They will be bludgeoned with the Barr findings, axed in the forehead at every opportunity, mocked, ripped new ones, …..and….and ‘to vanquish your foes, crush your enemies, and hear the lamentations from their women.’–Conan the Barbarian on what is best in life.
Better men than me have tried going through the ladies and children in Trump’s orbit, (the wife and kids), we tried getting the message through advisors, trusted insiders, Podcasts he follows, editorials from respected papers he reads,…all to no avail. Everybody pleads “if only someone will take his Twitter machine away from him. Lock it up at night!”
Sorry. No can do. You are asking too much. Like throwing a cherry bomb in a hibernating bear cave.
2020. Trump Unchained. Spring is a good time for men to go to war. It might get a bit spellbinding at times, but Trump is going to savage them…and not just the candidates. He is going after “Them”.
You haven’t seen nothing yet. If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. Every tweet is the morning news and evening news and twitter erupts and folks don’t think their best when the are a full blown Five Alarm Fire. They only end up looking like fools and moniker Clown Car fits. Whole bunch of clowns in clown car. Thousands more where they came from.
Hell, Trump is going to bloody a whole bunch of them and we just have to tune in every now and then to see what national crisises we missed. And wait.
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Posted by: Mary Hale | 21 December 2019 at 10:34 AM
Duh.. not really .. Trump lost the general election and is only in office because of the antiquated compromise with slave owners called the electoral college that allows a minority party to hold office despite the will of American voters.
fish: he, him pronouns
Gee……about that…..remember when the democrats held the house, senate, and the executive! And yet the electoral college still exists.
Hmmm……..progressive democrats……short sighted and whiny as always!
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Posted by: George Rebane | 21 December 2019 at 12:25 PM
,,,Closer than you think,,,so yes we should apply the McConnell rule on appointing Supes during an election year as precedent…
“The Constitution doesn’t say how fast the articles must go to the Senate. Some modest delay is not inconsistent with the Constitution, or how both chambers usually work,” Noah Feldman wrote in a column for Bloomberg.
But, he added, the speaker has to eventually forward them to the Senate for the proceedings to be legitimate.
“Both parts are necessary to make an impeachment under the Constitution: The House must actually send the articles and send managers to the Senate to prosecute the impeachment. And the Senate must actually hold a trial”
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-12-19/trump-impeachment-delay-could-be-serious-problem-for-democrats
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BFD Heir Hinrich. Trump is,and will stay President.
Just as the side you vote for is now certified Socialist.
So wear that monicor proudly.
Socialism is the brown stain of the globe. It worked great for Venezuela, 1940s Germany was Socialist too.
Remember what this stands for? U.S.S.R. Care to utter the meaning of the FIRST “S”?
It’s 100% ” Democratic Socialist Party of America” now.
No wonder the Commiecrats that you are a part of are out to shred the Constitution. Starting with the 2ND Amendment. Without that one the 1ST is easy pickings.
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“I say: Recall that in the last election the country voted overwhelmingly Democratic in a landslide Democratic Blue wave rout in the Congress and therefore the will of the people was well expressed by that vote which shows remorse for Trumps win just two years earlier.”
-Punchy 1153am
Recall that in the runup to the last election, it was considered a fait accompli that the Mueller report would prove the Trump-Russia connection and he would soon be frog-marched out of the White House.
In 2020, we may well see the fruits and nuts shaken from the trees. There’s nothing like a federal prosecutor on a rampage to spoil a Party.
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Anybody seen Moscow Mitch? He did looked like the cat for ate the canary one the video clips. Or, he looked like he snorted a couple fat lines of coke. Reminds me of Lloyd Bridges in the Airplane movie saying “I picked the wrong time to quit sniffing glue.” That Cocaine Mitch is an odd one, I tell ya.
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Gobble, gooble.
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Prediction
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Wally-
I’m glad you finally absolved yourself of the notion that Trump was not impeached. Boy you have a thick head. Some of us were meant to dig ditches and shovel goose shit, while others were meant to think. Don’t flatter yourself by including yourself in the latter. Get diggin’ shovel boy and repeat the mantra Trump dodged the draft so that patriots could die in his place and was impeached for high crimes against this country.
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Posted by: Hans Himmler | 21 December 2019 at 01:16 PM
Some of us were meant to dig ditches and shovel goose shit, while others were meant to think.
Here’s your shovel……the backhoe is probably a little advanced for you.
fish: scaly and unpleasant pronouns
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STEEL IS BACK. And so is coal, incandescent light bulbs, flammable drinking water . . .
The impeached one is in tune with the times. Maybe if you are a ditch digger.
https://www.frontpagelive.com/2019/12/21/steel-is-back-brags-trump-at-mi-rally-but-the-very-next-day-1500-detroit-steel-workers-lost-their-jobs/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=Post&utm_campaign=222&fbclid=IwAR3dZxHWg4fcACsF5oBJUcqy7o5PDIrhXRDVGGZXBpV9S0oBX-zXfJnc0x0
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Posted by: Hans Himmler | 21 December 2019 at 01:22 PM
Maybe if you are a ditch digger…..
Or the publisher of a periodical that finds its greatest utility as glossy bird cage liner.
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moi: “The House loss was something like 33?”
41. Still far below the larger changes.
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WELL WELL!! Triggered JIGGERED has returned. And and with a German sock no less.
Tough day? your losing the argument, and it’s not even 2:00.
You can’t even fathom how the impeachment game works.
You and yours have already bit the big one. Face plant.
So How many seats will the Proggycrats lose?
Swamp Queen Nancy LaVoux said this would be worth it.
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Castaneda quote:
“”The Constitution doesn’t say how fast the articles must go to the Senate. Some modest delay is not inconsistent with the Constitution, or how both chambers usually work,” Noah Feldman wrote in a column for Bloomberg.
But, he added, the speaker has to eventually forward them to the Senate for the proceedings to be legitimate.”
HH:
“I’m glad you finally absolved yourself of the notion that Trump was not impeached.”
…..
Sounds to me like you guys should get your stories straight.
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Scenes. Dear “jon” has returned.Let the fun and games begin.
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,,,scenes,,,the quotes mean those are someone else’s words,,,not sure exactly what the author is referring to when he says “legitimate”
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On the outside chance the Putin lite voters here are still sober, and have yet to fire up a big green fatty, your beloved impeachment papers that layout a non existent crime are worthless. Remember? NO witnesses. NO knowledge of crimes that Trump committed. NO PROOF of crimes.Except beating Hillary by the rules of the game, despite the rigging of the system by the LIBS. Remember what your boy “O” said? “Hillary was supposed to win” Your boy “O” had knowledge of supposed Russian money business. Can you tell us just what HE did about it? HHHUMMMMM????
AAWWWAaaaa Shit. Trump cleared after two years of fake Russian accusations….
And ONE day after Muller clears Trump,, Adam Schitt’s dog whistle blower magically has an issue with a phone call.
Trump was NEVER supposed to release that phone call info.
(shit)
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,,,Stephen Goebbels Miller,,,the gift that keeps on giving,,,
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/15/opinion/stephen-miller-emails.html
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While the trolls are busy reading the signs in the entrails of sheep the real world marches on and it does not look good for the blue mobs future. Its the economy stupids –
Since World War I, the incumbent is a perfect 11 for 11 in winning a second term when the U.S. economy wasn’t in a recession in the 24 months ahead of an election.
https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/trump-economy-to-boom-in-2020-big-money-managers
😉
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“,,,scenes,,,the quotes mean those are someone else’s words”
That’s what I meant by saying ‘Castaneda quote’. I should have been more clear.
“not sure exactly what the author is referring to when he says “legitimate””
Judging from my own quote from usconstitution.net, the implication appears to be that an impeachment occurs when the whole event occurs. Investigation (House) + trial (Senate).
Unless the House Democrats are scared to send it to the Senate, certainly possible, everyone will get to put the ‘impeach’ stamp on Trump at some point so I wouldn’t worry about it.
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Scenes. Yep, we took a beating. But Claire Haskell is gone and the historical chances that the incumbent President would NOT loose the Senate in the midterms but losing the House was 13% . Keeping the Senate is why we are at where we are today. All things considered, it could have been worse. That last 10-11, 14 district races that rolled in late 100% for the Dems got Punchy doing cartwheels. And having the Super Majority the Statehouse sent him (them) into the stratosphere. Happy times are here again.
But the silver lining is it was not the far far left and Jacobins that carried the day for Nancy. Nay. it was the moderate Dem Congress-critters that upset the Apple cart and gave Nancy the gavel for another two years…not the AOCs of the in-crowd. . And a lot of those “moderate” Dems are freshmen from districts Trump carried. Novices.
Too bad Amy Minnesota Nice picked the moderate lane. Coming from an adjoining state and not too far left, one will think she would poll better in Iowa. Not left enough, thank goodness.
Joe can claim their moderate mantle. He always polls between 24%, never lower, and 29%, never higher on national polls. Very interesting. I see opportunities.
Yeah, I remember 2018. Mid-terms, wasn’t it? Was that when a bunch of Democrats ran on the promise to not back Queen Nan? New generation with a new explanation. Going a different direction. And, of course, the solemn promise to impeach Trump.
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,,,Bill,,,you say that now but the election is not for about a year…
A lot could happen by then
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,,,Scenes,,,
If,,,”Impeachment comprises both the act of formulating the accusation and the resulting trial of the charges; it is frequently but erroneously taken to mean only the removal from office of an accused public official.”
It would be better to say Trump is impeached bythe House
https://www.usconstitution.net/glossary.html#IMPEACH
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The socialist blue mob wonders why they don’t get traction with the real workers when they keep screaming in peoples faces. Then you have the global warming mantra that we are all going to die if we don’t do what they want after 50 years of being so massively wrong. –
https://freebeacon.com/politics/cnn-anchor-trump-should-listen-when-people-tell-him-we-have-12-years-until-the-world-ends/
But he will still be president in 12 years! LOL
😉
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@ 2:10 pm
First, address me by my preferred name, which is The Exalted MAGA One. Thank you in advance, Fuzznardo. We appreciate that. We are must better now. Had to get that off our chests.
Second, what are you talking about? The election is about a year away? Really? You ain’t pulling my leg now, are you? You’re kidding, right? Opps. Your kidding, right? There, fixed that for ya. Well, golly, learn something new everyday. Got any more newsflahes?
I don’t believe that the election is about a year away. What a moron.
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Castaneda: “It would be better to say Trump is impeached by the House”
That seems fair. OTOH, Wikipedia (the font of all knowledge) sez that the action by the House is sufficient for the moniker.
Since it may never be passed to the Senate, you end up with an interesting situation. I wonder how long it stays valid…forever? until 2/3 of the Senate becomes Democrat in 2020? A strange old journey.
It’s a bummer that the whole process has been made use of for purely political reasons, but that’s the case for all three instances. I’d probably have written the Constitution to require a 2/3 vote in the House so as to avoid these misuses.
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Posted by: Mary Hale | 21 December 2019 at 10:34 AM
Hey…..where’d Hairy Male go?
fish; “wretched”, “off-putting” pronouns
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Study: Obesity Worsens Carbon Emissions
Uh Oh!
https://www.zerohedge.com/health/study-obesity-worsens-carbon-emissions
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moi: “Since it may never be passed to the Senate, you end up with an interesting situation. I wonder how long it stays valid…forever? until 2/3 of the Senate becomes Democrat in 2020?”
On the other hand, can a House impeachment not passed to the Senate be reversed by a Republican majority in 2020?
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Did I open the closet door on jiggered? uh, “jon”??
And SO soon on a freshly soiled sock.
Give Google a try on a “Hans Himmler” and see what pops up.
(now that was a bright move on your part.)
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From someone who has “been there & done that”.
“House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., is “constitutionally wrong” in stalling the transfer of two articles of impeachment to the Senate, former Whitewater Independent Counsel Ken Starr said”
” In a Bloomberg op-ed, Feldman cautioned that, in order to officially impeach the president, Pelosi must send the articles of impeachment to the Republican-led Senate. He said that while she can delay sending the articles, she cannot do so for an “indefinite” period of time.”
The important part for the STONED LIBS
” Pelosi must send the articles of impeachment to the Republican-led Senate.”
SEE THAT “hans”???
“it’s an impeachment with a footnote or with an asterisk,” Starr said. “By the way, it never went over to the Senate, which I think means that it’s a bit of a phony impeachment.”
In a press conference on Thursday, Pelosi sought to clarify that her side is just waiting to see what the process will be in the Senate, so they can choose their trial “managers,” who would essentially serve as prosecutors.
The Democratic leader also made clear that she did not intend to name the managers until they understand the “arena” in the Senate.
“She appears to be intruding into the power of the Senate which is ironic in the extreme, isn’t it?” Starr said. “So, I think there is an abuse of House power in the way that this process unfolded in the House and riding rough-shod over minority rights and, ultimately, the rights of the president.”
Can one of you all knowing Constitutionalist expert Proggys
point to where your swamp queen has this power?
“”Now she’s trying to essentially tell the Senate how to do its business…and it’s just wrong constitutionally,” he stated.”
https://www.foxnews.com/media/ken-starr-impeachment-noah-feldman-nancy-pelosi-trump
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,,,Exalted MAGA Buffoon is butt hurt about something I said???
,,,Plenty of time left for Trump to lose the next election
,,,Economy is barely hanging on at 1.9% growth… interest rates cannot go much lower
,,,If unemployment goes up and inflation rises things might not look so good for the KAGster…
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,,,Sounds like MagaBuffoon is getting on another one of his moods,,,
“The new study, however, is no surprise to some local seasoned preppers. William “Bill” Tozer of Graniteville, CA has known this for years and has made what he says are “good plans.”
“After my wife left me back in 98′, I decided to build my bunker,” says a scrappy and ill-bathed Mr. Tozer. “My bunker is completely radiation-sealed. Ain’t nothing getting into there. Not WiFi, bears or Democrats. I gots it all figured out no matter what happens.”
When asked to see his bunker, Mr. Tozer grew visibly irritated.
“I think it’s time for you to go. The last person to come a snooping around here was that fat blogger fella. I kindly showed him my rifle and told him to get off my property. It took him nearly 45 minutes to waddle 20 feet back to is truck.”
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If it does not change jurisdictions from the House to the Senate, it stays in the House and never leaves. If the chain of transfer is broken….if never left the House and sits there in mumbo jumbo as big ole nothing burger, then I believe that the Impeachment process has not been completed. We wii see in a month. Last week in Jan or first week in Feb, maybe.
If not…..
It’s to their benefit. They will start waving those papers every time Trump the Master Troller trolls them. Probably keep copies in their car, at home, and wherever they go. Why????
Because they have no ammo. Shooting blanks. They need more time to find something to add to the articles. It’s still in the House. You didn’t think Trump obstructing the obstruction of justice in the Mueller Report would just simply go ahead, did ya? And don’t forget about those taxes. SCOTUS will rule on that in June.
Bottomline: they need more time to find any smoking gun from anywhere. One that can stand up and pass scrutiny. Something you look at and say, “Yeah, that looks like a high crime, duh.”
This is just Round One. Rid America of Trump is their only goal in life. Well maybe not the only goal in the personal lives, but impeaching Trump sits at the top of heart, soul, mind.
Just one of those things in life when you sigh, breath, and accept that is how it’s going to be going forward. The hits will just keep on coming. I am learning to life with it. It’s all Kavanaugh. Those images are burned in my mind. Brrrrrrrr. Shake it off.
Boy, Trump World has us all digging up interesting facts and knowledge about all sorts of stuff. The Logan Act, the Hatch Act, and about the Constitution and all these little nuggets….and the people who wrote it up and…..
THE REAL BOTTOMLINE IS WE ARE UNCHARTED WATERS. Risks are high on both sides. Dems throwing all their chips in on this hand. They are risking everything, all they got
High stakes poker.
Uncharted waters. You never know for sure what a court will do. The drama builds. It’s halftime at just one game in a long season.
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Don’t see and charges there KKKeachie. No law against Prepping, nor speaking ill of Democrats like you.
So is that from the tits up scooped, bagged and dumped NC Scooper?
It wouldn’t be the first time Dougy AKA “Lavender”,, went dumpster diving for a hit job.
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,,,Sorry Blaze,,,that was the new and improved Broad Street Beacon,,,Did not know that the Toester was famous…
https://www.broadstreetbeacon.com/report-your-wifi-might-be-poisoning-armageddon-supplies/
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So that’s the new one? It’s a recycled SCOOPER dropping.
So when does Funkstain rear his smelly head?
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And re-running this one too. Think you will fool Snopes twice with the same gag?
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Damn…..
https://www.broadstreetbeacon.com/isis-training-camp-raided-at-nevada-county-state-park/
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Well,,, didn’t have to look very far for Funky fishbreath.
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Good job Dung, another nail in that coffin that shows your phony with fake news.
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,,,Yes Blaze,,,I am a subscriber…
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My my, isn’t Walt spending a great day with the family. Oh yeah, forgot, he doesn’t have a family. Can only wonder why. Gonna open up a can of some impeaches for dinner?
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Says the one with Daddy issues.Mine just showed up.
AAWwwww Ain’t that special. a NEW sock.. Better get on that exercise bike. Have you checked the wait limit?
Mine just showed up.
Poor TROLL.. Your butthurt is showing.
Where did Dougy go? A little embarrassed that Have a damned good memory?
Recycled parody is SO lame.
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What jeff got a pelleton?
😉
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The “DEEP STATE” is now in DEEP SHIT!!
https://dailycaller.com/2019/12/21/fisa-carter-page-fbi-review/
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The judge presiding over the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISC) ordered the FBI in a secret court filing earlier in December to identify all cases handled by a former FBI lawyer who allegedly altered an email during the investigation of former Trump campaign adviser Carter Page.”
And the POS gets BURNED.
“The report said a now-former FBI lawyer who has been identified as Kevin Clinesmith altered an email from the bureau’s liaison to the CIA in June 2017 to say Page was “not a source” for the agency. “
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Wow
Trump down by 9% in latest impeachment poll
https://www.politico.com/news/2019/12/20/poll-trump-impeachment-088812
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Here’s another one where he’s down by eight. It’s turning into a gusher
https://www.politico.com/news/2019/12/20/poll-trump-impeachment-088812
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sorry, wrong link in the second one. Here you go:
https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/ua3ar45wbg/econTabReport.pdf
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Down 8 – 9% ……OMG! Noooooooooo!
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