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[Now that the impeachment kabuki has ended, the Senate trial will begin.  But before that can proceed, Pelosi will try to squeeze some more preconditions out of McConnell before forwarding the House’s articles of impeachment.  The cynical humor of the whole process goes on with Democrats continuing to accuse Republicans of unfairness along every step of the way, paying no never mind to having conducted the most blatantly partisan, unfair, and corrupt congressional circus in Congress’s long history.  But the real story is again the ever-widening chasm between what now clearly are two Americas attempting to share the same government and territory while holding diametrically opposite worldviews and objectives.  gjr]

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  1. Walt Avatar

    Here you go Dougy!! Take it and run!
    https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2019/12/20/waters-if-the-senate-clears-trump-hes-going-to-bring-putin-to-the-white-house/
    ““When I came to those conclusions early and starting the discussion, I wanted to sound the alarm that we better pay attention. And finally, it came to that, and I really knew that it would because of his character that he would not stop. And if he’s exonerated by the Senate when they do the trial, he’s going to get even worse. And I tell you, and I will predict he’s going to bring Putin into the White House for a meeting.”
    Did she get that idea half way through a bottle of Thunderbird?

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  2. Castaneda Avatar
    Castaneda

    Posted by: Walt | 20 December 2019 at 05:59 PM
    ,,,Here you go Barrrett,,,it is too bad you don’t know how to post links…
    Posted by: George Rebane | 20 December 2019 at 05:06 PM
    Art 1, Sec 2, Clause 5
    5: The House of Representatives shall chuse their Speaker and other Officers; and shall have the sole Power of Impeachment.

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  3. George Rebane Avatar

    Castaneda 847pm – Looks like you didn’t understand my 506pm. BTW, how does one “chuse” their Speaker?

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  4. Hans Himmler Avatar
    Hans Himmler

    Walt 5:53
    “No, Trump has NOT been “officially” impeached.”
    Trump has been recorded into the Congressional Record AND the Federal Register as having been impeached 12/18/2019. Bam! Done! No Wally, you can’t unlike.
    Go to a bar and whine to someone who cares (and is drunk stupid) about what you “think”.

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  5. Walt Avatar

    Really dipshit Doug? I don’t see a link from you.
    Just PART of a cut and paste.
    The Senate has sole authority on any prosecution of ANY impeachment.
    So smartass, show justw where in the Constitution it states the
    House holds authority over the prosecution in the Senate.
    Good f*cking luck. Stick to pirating movies.
    “Article I, Section 3, Clauses 6 and 7 provide:
    The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments. When sitting for that Purpose, they shall be on Oath or Affirmation. When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside: And no Person shall be convicted without the Concurrence of two-thirds of the Members present.
    Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States; but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law.”
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_in_the_United_States
    This is where you STFU ,, soil yourself, and come up with a new subject like Emery.

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  6. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Posted by: Hans Himmler. HH, is that really you?
    —————-
    Q: BTW, how does one “chuse” their Speaker?
    A: Grab it when it comes out of the poop chute.
    ——————
    The policy of appeasement has historically failed when dealing with that bunch. They are never satisfied. Chomp, chomp, eating their own. You have been Cancelled just in time for Christmas.
    “J.K. Rowling Smeared As Transphobe, ‘Canceled’ After Saying Biological Sex ‘Is Real’”
    https://www.dailywire.com/news/j-k-rowling-smeared-as-transphobe-canceled-after-saying-biological-sex-is-real?
    Leftists circa 2005: “Just let us live how we want. We aren’t hurting you.”
    Leftists today: “Publicly renounce biological science or we will rip you to shreds and ruin your life.”

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  7. Walt Avatar

    Really Heir Himmler?
    https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-12-19/trump-impeachment-delay-could-be-serious-problem-for-democrats
    “Trump Isn’t Impeached Until the House Tells the Senate
    According to the Constitution, impeachment is a process, not a vote.”
    ” Dems’ own witness says Trump not truly impeached unless articles go to Senate”
    “Other legal academics took issue with his view that impeachment only happens when the House transmits its charges to the Senate.”
    And just what do you have to backup your LIB diara?
    What some Trump hating Proglodite TROLL says is meaningless.
    Trump is still President, has all his powers, ain’t slowing down one bit.
    Sucks to be you.

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  8. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    How pathetic are the troll sock puppet handles, no imagination at all but that goes with no comprehension or any ability to make an intellectual contribution. If they all combined their IQ’s you could actually have an average IQ, barely. Its like having a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent but they can sure be a good ol’ party parrot. LOL
    😉

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  9. Walt Avatar

    So AS the Constitution reads,
    To be “impeached” the President MUST be removed from office.
    Not what the Proggy Press claims it is.(and butthurt LIBs)

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  10. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Nugget found at very bottom of this link.
    “Hakes noted that the judge also brought up another “top-secret order” from the FISC that was “promulgated just a week or so ago” and ordered it to be declassified.”
    https://www.foxnews.com/media/francey-hakes-tucker-carlson-fisa-fbi-trump-spying
    Say what? Another FISA.? On who? Kushner? Flynn? Lisa-Peter-McCabe texts say it was someone “physically” close to Trump. And who is Charlie? And what about footnote 461? Odd.
    https://hotair.com/archives/john-s-2/2019/12/19/confidential-source-mentioned-footnote-461-ig-report/

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  11. The Estonian fox Avatar
    The Estonian fox

    A Democrat Christmas Present – Joe Biden visits Santa at the department store.
    Santa: Joe, what do you want for Christmas?
    Joe: a 30-day romantic vacation with Taylor Swift.
    Santa: I’m not a miracle worker. Try again.
    Joe: Then I want a Democrat to beat Donald Trump in the 2020 election.
    Santa: …Let me give Taylor’s manager a call…

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  12. Walt Avatar

    From the files of “it’s only OK when LIBS do it”
    “Northam offered a veiled threat to sanctuary jurisdictions that have promised to not enforce unconstitutional gun laws stating, “If we have constitutional laws on the books and law enforcement officers are not enforcing those laws on the books then there are going to be some consequences…” The governor went on to say “ Any law that we pass in Richmond and the 8 pieces of legislation that I put on the table back in July – they’re constitutional, so that’s not going to be an issue.”
    https://dailycaller.com/2019/12/17/virginia-governor-northam-doubles-down-on-gun-control/
    It’s just fine for the likes of Ca. to break the law with protecting illegals and not working with FED agents.
    But taking the Constitutional rights away of state citizens, is just fine.

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  13. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    A Democrat Christmas Present -The Buzzard of Broad Street visits Santa at the department store.
    Santa: Joe, what do you want for Christmas?
    Joe: a unicorn
    Santa: I’m not a miracle worker. Try again.
    Joe: Then I want a Democrat to beat Donald Trump in the 2020 election.
    Santa: …Let me work on that unicorn.

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  14. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Former Employee Sues Nike For $1.1 Million, Claims Preferred Pronouns Were Ignored
    https://www.dailywire.com/news/former-employee-sues-nike-for-1-1-million-claims-preferred-pronouns-were-ignored?
    How come it’s usually some dude in these cases that raises such a stink? I suppose it because men are more aggressive, have higher testosterone levels, are 70% plus of our prison population, commit more assaults..it’s a male toxic thing I suppose. Like having a Wolf as a domestic dog, you can never train the wolf out of it. Or, maybe that what this lady is trying to immulate.

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  15. Walt Avatar

    Morn’n Bro. Bill…
    The Queen of the DEMNED looking for a quid pro quo?
    She wants something from the senate (demands LIB witnesses,, further investigation ,,)before she GIVES them the impeachment documents.
    Now isn’t that exactly what they have accused Trump of?

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  16. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Is Trump ignorant or just stupid when he says things like this?
    “Nancy Pelosi is looking for a Quid Pro Quo with the Senate. Why aren’t we Impeaching her?” Trump asked on Twitter”
    He’s your guy George You always talk about the ignorance of the left but appear to support Trumps intelligence.

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  17. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    Paul Emery you just have no sense of humor.

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  18. Walt Avatar

    Is that NOT what she is doing Emery? Isn’t SHE going after her political enemy?
    Have the wherewithal to answer that? Or as usual run and hide.

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  19. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    On a serious note here is the latest Islamic pal of the illegal immigrant are wonderful people crowd.
    https://twitter.com/i/status/1208252043493814276

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  20. scenes Avatar
    scenes

    re: Paul Emery@8:16
    Honestly it’s not a bad comparison. In both cases someone is being accused of using government powers to further their own political ends. It’s just that in Pelosi’s case the quid pro quo is more obvious.
    Of course, the truth is that politics is all about quid pro quo. I’d ask you how unusual the thing Trump was accused of really is in all administrations, but the likelihood of a well thought out answer is nil so why bother. I can just imagine the dirty deals done by the James Bakers and the Valerie Jarretts of the world. Thank God you didn’t vote for Obama the second time.

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  21. Hans Himmler Avatar
    Hans Himmler

    Wally sez:
    “To be “impeached” the President MUST be removed from office.”
    Tell that to Bill Clinton you dumb f$%k ass wipe.

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  22. scenes Avatar
    scenes

    re HH@8:56
    https://usconstitution.net/glossary.html#IMPEACH
    “Impeachment, in the U.S. and Great Britain, proceeding by a legislature for the removal from office of a public official charged with misconduct in office. Impeachment comprises both the act of formulating the accusation and the resulting trial of the charges; it is frequently but erroneously taken to mean only the removal from office of an accused public official. ”
    No trial yet.

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  23. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer
  24. George Rebane Avatar

    BillT 753am – Low grade ore Mr Tozer. You should read previous comments, e.g. the 458am right above yours.

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  25. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    RE Walt 8:35
    Trump is being impeached by the House of Representatives not Pelosi. The majority vote of the House represents the will of the American people singe they were ALL voted in the ’18 landslide Democratic win in the elections. Don’t blame Pelosi, blame the American voters.

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  26. castaneda Avatar
    castaneda

    ,,, The most common mistake, at least to modern eyes, is the word “choose,”spelled “chuse” several times. This is less a mistake than it is an alternatespelling used at the time. The word is found in the Constitution as both”chuse” and “chusing.”
    https://www.usconstitution.net/constmiss.html

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  27. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Paul Emery | 21 December 2019 at 09:21 AM
    Don’t blame Pelosi, blame the American voters.

    Don’t blame Pelosi Trump blame the American voters.

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  28. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Dr. Rebane @ 9:15 am
    I have been admonished. Precisely because I read the Fox’s humor first, I decided to add a local flair to the truth found in Fox’s excellent post. In fact, it was my inspiration. Imitation is the highest form of flattery. Hey, look at the bright side. I could of posted a pic of Creepy Joe in shorts with real hairy legs, donning a Santa hat and asking the kid waiting to see Santa if he wants to sit on Santa’s lap.
    Now, that is low grade ore.
    Ok, we could discuss Trump’s latest tweet and how offensive it is. Kinda hard to figure out exactly which latest offensive tweet got their heads exploding. There are so many. What did you think of Dingles’s “looking up from Hell” tweet. Man, that brought out the full blown moral outrage from the Christian bashers big time. Sweet. It did remind me of that sock puppet that lost it last Christmas (or the Christmas before) cause somebody was peddling nativity scenes at Victorian Christmas. They are commercializing Christmas, you friggin Hypocrites and you don’t condemn it!!!! Condemn it now! condemn it loudly!
    Me thinks that just the sight of a nativity scene in public set him off. Christian bashers are that way. Commercialization? What did he think was the purpose of Victorian Christmas in NC?

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  29. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE 921am – I think Walt’s 835am called for Pelosi’s impeachment because of the way the House Dems, under her leadership, have handled Trump’s impeachment. Recall that Trump also represents the will of the American voters for president.
    Castaneda 923am – Good point Mr Castaneda. If we adopt your standard of using grossly outdated forms of English spelling, then I recommend inserting a (sic) behind such forays into the past. We note that English spelling did not become standardized until Johnson et al introduced their dictionaries in the 1700s. But it sure took a long time for common spellings to be adopted – not until the mid-1800s. Today we are regressing back to a more confusing and information-shedding lexicon, simply because of our fractured educational system abetted by ideological ‘inclusivity’.

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  30. George Rebane Avatar

    BillT 934am – All is forgiven upon completion of 10 Hail Marys, 5 Pater Nosters, and 10 laps around the cathedral in knee deep snow.
    Now I would also assign you a research project. Can you discover if there is anyone Trump respects who can tell him to STFU with all the shit he spews that hides his manifold accomplishments and undermines his reelection chances? If there is such a person, we should send him/her an open letter signed by at least 100,000 of his supporters. I volunteer to be the first signatory.

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  31. Walt Avatar

    A little triggered Heir Himmler?
    Wasn’t Billy acquitted? Was he removed from office? No.
    Impeachment is a process. NON have resulted in a removal from office.
    So ASSWIPE,,(back at ya’) Care to keep splitting “Heirs”?
    It must really chap your ass Trump will be acquitted as well.
    Better yet even a “not guilty” may come to pass.
    The Senate may even deem the paperwork null and void after a given time frame.(expiration date) That would make any “impeachment” non existent. Expunged..(as if it NEVER took place.)
    The Senate writes it’s own operating instructions. Your Queen of the DAMNED is out of power.
    Yup, sucks to be you.

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  32. Walt Avatar

    Forget so damned soon Emery? Your swamp bitch is refusing to do her duty. SHE is the one holding up the show, NOT the “people”.
    You FAIL in your piss poor deflection.

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  33. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    West Point Debunks Media Reports Of Cadets Flashing White Power Symbols
    “At the Army-Navy football game last week, cadets were caught playing the “circle game” on national television. An official investigation by West Point confirms it was indeed the “circle game” and not a “white power” symbol as many media outlets reported. In related news, AP reports Michael Bloomberg was in town yesterday flashing White Supremacy symbols.
    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=2698685066845046&set=a.220824557964455&type=3&theater

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  34. Mary Hale Avatar
    Mary Hale

    “Recall that Trump also represents the will of the American voters for president.”
    Duh.. not really .. Trump lost the general election and is only in office because of the antiquated compromise with slave owners called the electoral college that allows a minority party to hold office despite the will of American voters.

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  35. Castaneda Avatar
    Castaneda

    Posted by: George Rebane | 20 December 2019 at 05:06 PM
    ,,,George and Barrett Branson,,,
    ,,,Show me something in the literature providing some precedent for your argument,,,spelling irregularities notwithstanding,,, that the Senate can go ahead with impeachment without the ministerial transfer of the Articles of Impeachment,,,
    The citation George referenced in his 506pm does not show us anything
    The citation Barrett referenced in his 931pm show us nothing
    The House can wait as long as it wants before delivering the Articles of Impeachment,,,gosh,,,especially now that we are entering the 2020 election cycle,,,we should wait before approving any Supreme Court justices and Impeachment proceedings,,,Right???
    “In the law, there are many situations in which an outcome is known, but it is not a formal outcome until some ministerial act is taken. A grand jury can vote an indictment, for example, but the defendant is not considered indicted until the charges are filed with the clerk of the court. A defendant can be found guilty by a jury, but there is technically no conviction until the judgment is “entered” by the trial court, usually months later when sentence is imposed. An appellate court can issue a ruling that orders a lower court to take some action, but the lower court has no jurisdiction to act in the case until issuance of the appellate court’s “mandate” — the document that formally transfers jurisdiction.
    Plainly, Congress has similar ministerial acts of transference that must occur in order for legislation to pass. Were that not the case, Speaker Pelosi would not be talking about delaying the transfer of impeachment articles.”
    https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/12/trump-impeachment-if-impeachment-articles-are-not-delivered-did-impeachment-happen/

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  36. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    MH
    That is to prevent Mob Rule, something you long for every time ‘Trump is Prez’ comes up. No he’s not! Abolish the Electoral College. Oh, spare me. The Electoral College was deliberately written into Constitution of United STATES with people like you in mind. Yeah, go tell states from Montana, WY, Dakotas, and all those the tiny NE states to just give away their two votes in the Senate. Add Alaska and Hawaii. Yeah, right……it’s to keep the minority from being trampled to death from the mob. A rather unhinged mob, unmoored and afloat far from their harbor. Nope, can’t have them. Nice try with the workaround to start collecting promised electoral vote for winner takes all. Now, that is a threat to our democratic Republic.
    Oh, sometimes I feel like socking it to them
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOZPBUu7Fro

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  37. Walt Avatar

    You still don’t get it Dougy, The Senate can write ANY DAMNED RULE for the trial they care to. This is in no way, shape or form a “criminal, nor civil court of law”.
    Just like in the House, can write up any damned thing they care to. THE REPUBLICANS call the shots. Did the Repubs get a say in the House? The tried and true, “sit down and shut up. WE are the majority” game played out.
    So with this NO CRIME impeachment process, let the games begin.
    In this case, Proggys like you LOSE!!! 😂…and furthermore,, a hard and dry,,🖕.
    Just not tired of WINNING!!! just yet.

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  38. Castaneda Avatar
    Castaneda

    ,,,Barrett,,,
    Fail!!!
    You cannot remember the question at hand…

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  39. Walt Avatar

    And Ms. Mary.. Stacking the deck with votes in cities like Frisco, Freeattle, Portlandia, New yonkers, MOBVILLE Detroit,
    and plenty other Commiecrat havins is why we have the electoral college.
    So what do your LIBS dream up to re-stack the deck? you come up with things like ballot harvesting.(NO chance of vote changing there,,,, right? How bout the new gimmick of ranked voting? where the biggest vote getter actually loses. Three card Monte at it’s best.
    I bet you can’t wait for voting over the Internet! OH how the LIBS dream of that day.
    Here in Ca.,, we already have plenty of illegals getting in on the game. Oh.. Wait.. The State elections board refused the inspectors to check that facts….. Care to make an excuse why??

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  40. Castaneda Avatar
    Castaneda

    ,,,read it and weep Blazing Barretts,,,
    https://news.yahoo.com/zealanders-hand-50-000-guns-055143842.html
    ,,,,and Devon Nunez’s cow,,,
    https://tinyurl.com/sgg5rn3

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  41. Walt Avatar

    No, Dougy, YOU supply the paperwork. I already shot to shit your first argument last night. The part your REFUSED to cut and paste. You know,, where the Senate has sole authority over the trial. BTW.. YOUR “impeachment” is there. NEVER to go away.

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  42. Walt Avatar

    This ain’t New Zealand. So some fools turned in LEGAL weapons.
    Epic fail from Brokeback Ridge.

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  43. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Column: Will Washington media expose the liars who spun the Trump-Russia hoax?
    https://outline.com/9X7twq

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  44. George Rebane Avatar

    MaryH 1034am – OK. What other parts of the Constitution do you and yours choose to ignore with your conduct in the public square? You’ve made quite a mess ignoring the legitimacy of Trump’s presidency. What’s next?
    Castaneda 1046am – It’s actually you who has to prove that formal tranmittal of the articles of an accomplished impeachment is required to start the Senate trial. Andrew McCarthy addresses a different question – do you see that? Every Dem congresscritter agreed that when the final vote was taken in the House, at that moment Trump stood impeached. But I can’t find where it says that the Senate has to wait for the transmittal; can you show us how you became convinced of that?

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  45. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    George writes:
    “Recall that Trump also represents the will of the American voters for president.”
    I say: Recall that in the last election the country voted overwhelmingly Democratic in a landslide Democratic Blue wave rout in the Congress and therefore the will of the people was well expressed by that vote which shows remorse for Trumps win just two years earlier.

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  46. Hans Himmler Avatar
    Hans Himmler

    Wally-
    Here is some wallpaper for your wall of shame. The official papers of impeachment of Donald Trump for high crimes against the United States of America. Suitable for framing. Now wipe that stupid grin off your face and admit that your golden boy is tarnished and tainted for as long as history is alive.
    https://judiciary.house.gov/sites/democrats.judiciary.house.gov/files/documents/Articles%20of%20Impeachment.pdf

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  47. Castaneda Avatar
    Castaneda

    ,,,asked and answered George,,,see the National Review explanation in my 1046am. That is all I found,,,so far,,,
    You have only stated your opinion,,,show me the money…
    “Plainly, Congress has similar ministerial acts of transference that must occur in order for legislation to pass. Were that not the case, Speaker Pelosi would not be talking about delaying the transfer of impeachment articles.”

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  48. Castaneda Avatar
    Castaneda

    ,,,Putin is trying to help you again Trump,,,
    https://apnews.com/0530c2e93d9d5186d0a807888c1c0bb0

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  49. scenes Avatar
    scenes

    Mr. Emery@11:53AM
    “Recall that in the last election the country voted overwhelmingly Democratic in a landslide Democratic Blue wave rout in the Congress ”
    Funny thing really. What was the improvement in the Republican control of the Senate. 3? You know, that’s the most since 1934. The House loss was something like 33? About the same as 2006 and a lot less than 2010’s 63. To tell you the truth, the God Emperor did a bit better than average looking at the full list.
    Sounds to me like you’re whistling in the graveyard. It’s a bummer that Baron Trump won’t be 35 in 2024.

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