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‘This Impeachment Is Different – and More Dangerous’ writes Lawrence Lessig in Politico.  He is currently the Roy L. Furman Professor of Law and Leadership at Harvard Law School, and according to my lights tilts a bit to the left.  But he has penned an insightful piece that more or less flies in formation and abets Rebane Doctrine on the Great Divide (you know, confirmation bias and all that).

Lessig correctly argues that the current impeachment imbroglio is not a rehash of America’s past impeachments.  Today, the plethora of politically polarizing media have so divided the country that both sides are totally sustained in their beliefs without even considering whether there is any middle ground remaining, and, if so, should we seek it out.  He points out that past impeachments were carried out by elite cadres operating, more or less, out of the public glare.  The impeachers were not pored over by the public, whose changing attitudes were not constantly apparent to the impeachers.  Today, Americans have a choice on how to view the impeachment process, and their attitudinal temperature is taken multiple times a day by countless polls.


Well, actually the Nixon Watergate scandal was followed through the big three and NPR outlets, but then everyone had pretty much the same picture of what was going on.  There was one basic ground truth which was broadly accepted.  Today “as information channels have multiplied, real “broadcast democracy”—the shared and broad engagement with a common set of facts —has disappeared. An abundance of choice means fewer focus on the news, and those who do are more engaged politically, and more partisan. No doubt, there is more published today about impeachment across a wide range of media than before, but it lives within different and smaller niches.”

And due to this “abundance of choice” with less “focus on the news”, the strongly divided attitudes “will have a profound effect on how this impeachment will matter to Americans.”  Neither side will be sharing any common ground over which to view the proceedings, understand the facts, and distinguish between allegations, perceptions, presumptions, inferences, …, and then what used to be known as evidence.

Holman Jenkins at the WSJ makes a strong case (here) for there being no chance for common ground when he goes through an analysis of Adam Schiff’s impeachment inquiry report wherein its author paints the progressives’ picture of what went down with lavish and profound lies.  Schiff is a politician profiting from the polarization that needs to be maintained.  Take as an example the Mick Mulvaney news conference that is now totally misrepresented in the lamestream – “A media transcript plainly shows that acting White House chief of staff Mick Mulvaney was not referring to a Ukraine quid pro quo when he said politics will influence foreign policy and that critics should “get over it.” Ambassador Gordon Sondland merely “presumed” that Mr. Trump sought a quid pro quo from Ukraine. Why falsely characterize these men’s statements, as the Schiff report does, when doing so is unnecessary to convince anyone that Mr. Trump nevertheless envisioned a quid pro quo?”

And even more astounding in Schiff’s dim assessment of the intellect of his true believing constituents, we have – “Mr. Schiff claims Mr. Trump delayed “critical military aid” to Ukraine, but offers no evidence that the aid was critical. (The missiles discussed in Mr. Trump’s supposedly incriminating call with Ukraine’s president were not even part of the holdup.) He insists Mr. Trump’s dealings undermined U.S. national interests, but a president is perfectly entitled to differ with Mr. Schiff over what constitutes the national interest. With a casualness you expect only from the media, he relies on the fallacy that wishing to examine Ukrainian meddling in the 2016 election is tantamount to denying Russian meddling.”

Lessig concurs that “the Civil War may well have been the last time we suffered a media environment like this. Then, it was censorship laws that kept the truths of the North separated from the truths of the South. And though there was no polling, the ultimate support for the war, at least as manifested initially, demonstrated to each of those separated publics a depth of tribal commitment that was as profound, and tragic, as any in our history. That commitment, driven by those different realities, led America into the bloodiest war in its history.”

He believes that “we’re not going to war today”, because “we are not separated by geography, and we’re not going to take machetes to our neighbors. But the environment of our culture today leaves us less able to work through fundamental differences than at any time in our past. Indeed, as difference drives hate, hate pays — at least the media companies, and too many politicians.”

Finally, Lessig makes an appeal to the media companies to quit selling hate, and instead seek and establish a common ground whereon both sides could at least share some of the same views; and perhaps that would start a productive national dialogue.  A part of this process would be for companies like Facebook and Twitter to self-censor divisive and false political advertising.

In the end Lessig believes that we have “a fractured America because of siloed information”.  And his strong presumption is that the overwhelming share of citizens of both persuasions restrict their input to outlets of their preferred ideological flavors.  But that is patently an one-sided argument, as even these pages confirm.  Yes, when we monitor CNN, MSNBC, NYT, …, we see a narrow-casting of ideas both in their ‘news’ and commentary.  But that clearly is not the case when we look at the news segments, and even some commentary programs, of outlets like Fox News and Fox Business that with intense regularity feature strong proponents of the Left who launch dialogues totally absent from the other side.  Talking to a liberal these days quickly reveals that the person has not even been updated by his leftwing media on the basic factual happenings of the day.  And here I’m not talking only in the aggregate of such populations; of course, exceptions exist, but they are relatively infrequent (most certainly not any of RR’s leftwing commenters).

To conclude, what concerns me about today’s sincere academics and analysts of our national drama, is that almost all of them turn a blind eye to the distinct, and (to me) very evident, possibility that we are now ideologically beyond the tipping point.  That America is divided by a chasm of no shared ideas into two distinct ideological cohorts.  One working feverishly to fundamentally transform the republic into a pure socialist democracy on the road to globalism, and the other seeking to avoid such a revolution, and go on evolving as a liberty-loving, risk-tolerant nation of entrepreneurs and workers, people who continue to enjoy the blessings of minimally regulated markets overseen by a limited and constitutional government intent on preserving America as free and sovereign nation-state.

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147 responses to “A Different and Dangerous Impeachment”

  1. scenes Avatar
    scenes

    “Today, the plethora of politically polarizing media have so divided the country that both sides are totally sustained in their beliefs without even considering whether there is any middle ground remaining”
    It’s worth considering what the two extremes even are. It isn’t like Trump is much of a Libertarian, anti-central bank, free market proponent, etc.
    People tend to know which side of the split they’re on, but what exactly is that split is worth a word or two.

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  2. George Rebane Avatar

    scenes 113pm – good point Mr scenes. It seems that today the easy way to view the split is by noting that both sides are more unified in what they don’t like about the other side, than what really they find in common with their fellows. And what they don’t like about the other does not always have to be an accurate representation; comfortably confirmed perceptions will do quite well to keep the sides apart.

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  3. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    George
    Did you take a public stand on the impeachment of Clinton? Looking back do you support that impeachment?

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  4. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Exhibit A: comment above. Beyond the tipping point. No common ground.
    Talking to a liberal these days quickly reveals that the person has not even been updated by his leftwing media on the basic factual happenings of the day. And here I’m not talking only in the aggregate of such populations; of course, exceptions exist, but they are relatively infrequent (most certainly not any of RR’s leftwing commenters).—-Dr. Rebane

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  5. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Bill
    I was just inquiring as to whether George and I had common ground on the Clinton impeachment. What’s the problem with that?

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  6. Scott O Avatar

    St Paul, The Pious – “I was just inquiring as to whether George and I had common ground on the Clinton impeachment. What’s the problem with that?”
    The problem, Paul, is that you show up here asking all manner of questions and you answer none.
    Due directly to your actions, I see you as nothing more than an small child with bad manners.
    Clinton perjured himself under oath and was not only impeached, but was disbarred from practicing law.
    That is a matter of historical record.

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  7. Walt Avatar

    More tough news for Paul.
    https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/473461-supreme-court-halts-subpoena-to-deutsche-bank-for-trump-financial
    Nope,, not getting those to dig for impeachment dirt.
    Hope that ruins your night.

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  8. scenes Avatar
    scenes

    ‘St Paul, The Pious – “I was just inquiring as to whether George and I had common ground on the Clinton impeachment. What’s the problem with that?”
    The problem, Paul, is that you show up here asking all manner of questions and you answer none.’
    lol. Exactly.
    Personally I think a man has a God-given right to lie about blowjobs that pre-dates the US legal code or English common law. It’s probably written in cuneiform somewhere.

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  9. Walt Avatar

    Only LIBS can try and pull this line of BS off.
    “President Can Be Impeached for ‘Motives’ Without Breaking Law”
    “The House Judiciary Committee released a report Saturday in which it argued that a president may be impeached for “illegitimate motives” even if his actions are “legally permissible.” ”
    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/12/07/house-judiciary-committee-report-president-can-be-impeached-for-motives-without-breaking-law/
    Remember LIBS,, your own rules and actions will make it justified to do the same to you.
    Somehow you haven’t figured that out yet.

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  10. scenes Avatar
    scenes

    “President Can Be Impeached for ‘Motives’ Without Breaking Law”
    Hell yeah. The Blue Mob can vote on any old thing they like. Open borders, overseas adventures, and men in dresses have powerful patrons.
    “The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.”
    Pretty loose definition. Is talking to a foreign leader ‘treason’? Does it imply ‘high misdemeanor’ or just ‘misdemeanor’. What is high? When yer running a coup, any old thing will do.
    I expect the main result will be a backfire similar to the business of approving judges. The Democrats change the tradition for purely political reasons, the Republicans get power in both houses, and the next (D) President will get kicked out for parking tickets (or perjuring himself about activites at the Man’s Country in jolly old Chicago, it does bring up an undignified picture of Obama and Rahm Emanuel making policy).

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  11. Castaneda Avatar
    Castaneda

    ,,,Trump is corrupt…as with Capone it might be necessary to take him down by some lesser means…
    Akin to Impeaching Clinton for perjury about BJ…

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  12. Scott O Avatar

    re: scenes, Walt – You have to remember we are in a ‘Constitutional crises’. That makes it different. The Dems really, really don’t want to do this but the bad orange man is going to destroy the world as we know it, so the circus must go on.
    Can’t you see Trump is destroying our Democracy? Can’t you see he is putting us in an ‘existential crises’?
    Just as soon as they impeach him, everything will be OK, and we can relax.
    And that is why these new rules only apply to Trump – certainly not any Dem.
    What a joke.

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  13. scenes Avatar
    scenes

    “,,,Trump is corrupt…”
    lol. Uh huh.
    What you are seeing is probably the most transparent administration in history. Between the internet, leaks by a Blue Mob run bureaucracy, and a GEOTUS that simply doesn’t give a shit, the kimono has opened a bit. Between that and Trump’s low need for campaign funding or wealth extraction from his job, it could well be the least corrupt in your lifetime. Perhaps an exception could be made for non-entities like Ford.
    It’s all like playing Whac-A-Paul. Trump hurts the other children, he plays so rough. We don’t like him cuz of some sort of stripper girlfriend, or the grabbing of willing pussies, or two scoops of ice cream, or his wife’s white outfit, or pulling out of ineffective treaties, or or or. Just accept that it’s an emotional reaction about feelz and spare us the ‘reasons’. There’s strength in being honest with yourself.

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  14. Walt Avatar

    Nadless Nadler can’t wait to waddle onto a news set.
    https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2019/12/08/nadler-if-trump-is-acquitted-i-do-not-know-if-2020-will-be-a-fair-election/
    A Fair election would be Illegals Voting, Dead People Voting, Tampered Voting Machines and Democrats Voting more than once.

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  15. Scott O Avatar

    Car-load 8:42 – “…it might be necessary to take him down by some lesser means…”
    And why is it ‘necessary’?
    All of the accusations of actual crimes committed by Trump have come up empty.
    Carloada is indeed admitting that this is just a way for the Dems to attempt to overturn the last presidential election by a politically oriented impeachment.
    There are no ‘high crimes or misdemeanors’.

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  16. scenes Avatar
    scenes

    re: Walt
    It’s those Russkies I tell ya. Here’s an effort I can get behind.
    https://www.dailydot.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/putin-voter-id-meme.jpg

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  17. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    As Jimmy the peanut farmer said, “I had lust in my heart.”
    Are Thought Crimes Impeachable?
    “Alleged bad thoughts are not crimes — at least not outside George Orwell’s dystopian novel “1984.””
    https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/11/trump-impeachment-inquiry-alleged-bad-thoughts-not-crimes/

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  18. George Rebane Avatar

    Along with our readers, I await anyone from the Left coming forward with evidence of corruption in/by the Trump administration. Please spare us your allegations, presumptions, predictions, inferences, intense beliefs, perceptions, subjunctives, …, and any additional extracts from counterfactual reasoning you may be able to dredge up. Not holding my breath.

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  19. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Dr. Rebane @ 10:13 am, sir.
    Because Trump is a really really really bad man, he must be driven out of town on a rail. Tar and feathered first, of course.
    Because Trump is a really really really bad man, anything he does is bad. Strike that. Everything he does must be really bad, because he is a bad bad bad man. Don’t let him touch anything! Get him away from the controls…be is a really really really bad man. And by obvious extension, all his thoughts, words, and deeds are really really bad bad bad. Fruit of the poison tree.
    Can’t remember which R congressman or senator walked into the D full Intel Committee Caucus basement secret meeting and 17 of the 24 Lefties there had already voted to impeach Trump.
    The only thing that is amazing to me (I know, I shouldn’t be surprised by anything by now)….amazing to me….is the breath of the arrogance and the stunning lack of the Dems trying to hide what they are doing. Just a whiff of pretense will do. And when they momentarily fall back into their “deny everything” mode, we hear their leaders like Queen Nan of Nunnery and the Distinguished Adam Schiff say “I pray for the President everyday” or “I haven’t made up my mind yet”, roflmao. One is praying that Trump has a painful existence burning in Hades for eternity (with ALL his family members with him ) and the other….well…..let’s just say the Internet lives forever and the history of unfounded and unmoored statements against Trump precedes them to the present hour.
    —————
    @ 9:23 am
    You are slipping Scenes. You forgot Melania’s shoes were wrong!

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  20. Castaneda Avatar
    Castaneda

    ,,,all it will take is pergury on the part of Trump for whoremongering,,,now that the Right-e-ohs have set new and dangerous impeachment precedents.

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  21. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Castaneda | 08 December 2019 at 11:05 AM
    Yeah dugsKKKi…….”pergury”…..that’s the ticket!

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  22. Walt Avatar

    So tell us Dougy,, how much does the lady of low moral character OWE Trump today? You did get that news about what the court said,, didn’t you? Here Let me help you out with that.
    From the Proggyu Press even.
    https://www.cnbc.com/2018/12/11/judge-orders-porn-star-stormy-daniels-to-pay-trump-attorneys-fees.html
    That should plug you up and spare a pair of Depends for a day.

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  23. Walt Avatar

    Here Dougy,,
    tell us what page that may be on.
    https://www.scribd.com/document/438720284/House-Judiciary-Committee-Releases-Report-Defining-Impeachable-Offenses#from_embed
    Can anyone find proof or fact of an actual crime in this roll of orphanage grade butt wipe paper?

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  24. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Scott, Scenes
    The question was for George.

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  25. Castaneda Avatar
    Castaneda

    ,,,Posted by: fish | 08 December 2019 at 11:14 AM,,,
    Oh look, another Peeline clone!!!

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  26. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Castaneda | 08 December 2019 at 11:41 AM
    Oh dugsKKKi…..you would think, as an educator you would be grateful for the spelling help. So as not to look ignorant in the future!

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  27. Walt Avatar

    Capt. Cricketts is getting pissy.
    Who will show up next? Bobby Emery? Or Paul Cross?

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  28. Castaneda Avatar
    Castaneda

    ,,,yes fishpee,,,thanks

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  29. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Castaneda | 08 December 2019 at 11:49 AM
    Now was that so difficult?

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  30. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    On any given Sunday…….

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  31. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Well, I would rather be a whoremonger than a hatemonger. All the Lefties got in their toolbox is peddling hate. There is a wretch for every nut.
    “Our democracy is what is at stake,” she said. “The president leaves us no choice but to act.”
    She is wrong. She does have a choice, and she made the wrong one.“
    https://nypost.com/2019/12/07/theres-great-hate-for-donald-trumps-success-goodwin/
    Nobody said draining the swamp would be without strong ‘resistance’. Most of us (speaking for myself using the Royal We) think dranging the swamp thing monsters is an impossible task.
    ——-
    “David Brooks: Pelosi’s Slam on Reporter a ‘Beautiful Political Moment of the Year”
    ————
    Then, there is always one in the crowd: Sen. Cruz DESTROYS Chuck Todd in Battle Over Impeachment, Media Bias, Ukraine
    “Ha, ha, ha. You know, Chuck, substance matters,” Cruz laughed at his moderator as he proceeded to school (the first of many) him on how Trump had armed Ukraine to fight a hot war against Russia.”
    Shortly thereafter, Cruz brought up how “House Democrats put out a 55-page report, they called it a scholarly report that purports to say you don’t have to prove a crime, you don’t have to prove a law was violated to impeach a president.”
    Todd began to scream over his guest to get him to stop exposing the Democrats. “Senator! That is exactly why the impeachment was written into the Constitution,” he proclaimed. He proceeded to defend the Democratic argument that no provable crime was needed, supposedly because, “That’s exactly why the phrase ‘high crimes and misdemeanors’ is in there, because they did it before they even wrote our laws, sir!”
    Todd never explained how the lack of a provable crime was allowed by the Constitution. The document said “high crimes and misdemeanors,” but the U.S. justice system also said one was innocent until proven guilty.
    Then, when Senator Cruz said that he believed “Hunter Biden got that position is because his daddy was vice president of the United States,” Todd put words in his guest’s mouth and bitterly declared, “So, you believe Ukraine meddled.”
    For weeks, Todd and the rest of the liberal media had been pretending it was somehow a crazy fringe conspiracy theory despite their articles about it from 2017. So, when Cruz acknowledged that was what he believed, Todd was visibly shocked and the crew in his studio audibly laughed.
    Following Todd’s freak out, Cruz calmly called out the “game” he and the rest of “the media is playing” with those facts. “You’ve said the senators, sort of aghast, ‘do you believe Ukraine and not Russia interfered in the election?’ Now, that in a court of law would be struck as a misleading question. Of course, Russia interfered in our election. Nobody looking at the evidence disputes that,” he said.
    To further back up his point, Cruz argued that the reason Todd the rest of the liberal media were now downplaying Ukraine’s meddling was that, “A, they were trying to get Hillary Clinton elected, which is what the vast majority of the media wanted anyway. And B, it’s inconvenient for the narrative.”
    Todd was obviously fuming and lashed out by asking the Senator if he read the intelligence reports that showed Russia meddled in 2016. Cruz schooled him again by noting that he did, and that he’s sat through many briefings when other countries tried to interfere as well.
    “Russia has tried to interfere in our elections. China has tried to interfere in our elections. North Korea has tried to interfere in our elections. Ukraine has tried to interfere in our elections. This is not new, 2016 is not the first year they did it,” he said.
    https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/2019/12/08/sen-cruz-destroys-chuck-todd-battle-over-impeachment-media-bias-ukraine

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  32. Scott O Avatar

    Paul 11:37 – “Scott, Scenes
    The question was for George.”
    Really?
    Gee – let’s look:
    Paul 5:19 – “Bill
    I was just inquiring as to whether George and I had common ground on the Clinton impeachment. What’s the problem with that?”
    Clearly, that question was not for George.
    Do try to keep up, Paul.

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  33. Walt Avatar

    I gave the Paul the inquisitor, the documents, you would think he would jump at the chance to list the charges.
    This should be more fun than Trump’s tax returns he’s been slobbering over, waiting to “see”.(Ant a lot easier for Paul to digest.)

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  34. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    ANALYSIS/OPINION:
    Nancy Pelosi, American Psycho.
    “These are hard times for anyone trying to cling to a shred of sanity in politics. The lying, the distortion, the projection, the dual personalities, the anxiety, the obsessive-compulsive disorder and the schizophrenia.
    Mental illness is real and it is on full display in Washington every single day the past three years since the unthinkable travesty has befallen our fair federal city along the sliding Potomac River.
    But what we saw Thursday was so much more than just mental illness.
    Mrs. Pelosi escaped from her cult and stepped before the cameras in one of the most extraordinary hostage videos ever shown on live television.
    “When in the course of human events,” the House speaker began, staring vacantly into nothingness. She blinked. And blinked again as if to send a message without alerting her captors. But what was she trying to signal?
    “When in the course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bonds which have connected them with another.” Stare. Blink. Chew.
    Was that another secret signal? The chewing on her words? The strange mouth movements?
    Or was that her meds? Is she still on her meds?
    More staring, more blinking, more chewing.
    “With those words, our Founders courageously began our Declaration of Independence from an oppressive monarch, for among other grievances….blah, blah, blah
    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/dec/5/nancy-pelosis-hostage-video/
    Yep, it all sounds like stirring creamy pasta to me.

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  35. scenes Avatar
    scenes

    Paul mewls @11:37
    “Scott, Scenes The question was for George.”
    Sorry about that, it’s hard to tell in the latest Whac-A-Paul silly question game just where we were. Deciding who gets to speak is a tricky matter of course and is best done by a moderator.
    I’m thinking, only in the most brotherly and kind way of course, that you could simply start your own blog.
    The name writes itself: paulsquestions.typepad.com
    It would be a super busy website. Filled with levity and insight. I can imagine the result.
    Putin1968, why do you think that Clinton has such an interesting sex life? I love talking about Presidents’ sex lives.
    Posted by: Paul Emery 09 December 2019 at 05:16AM
    Муж да жена́ одна́ сатана́.
    Posted by: Putin1952 09 December 2019 at 05:20AM

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  36. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: scenes | 08 December 2019 at 02:05 PM
    Given the friendship with our genial host mentioned on more than one occasion by Punch, you would think that these “private” questions would be delivered via e-mail or over lunch.

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  37. Carlos Danger Avatar
    Carlos Danger

    Paul is a high maintenance child. There is a real George Rebane is not answering the phone or the call to respond immediately. Not now, sweetheart, I have a headache.
    So, 21 years ago this month Bubba was impeached. GEORGE must declare today what was his stance then, has it changed, what is his public stance now, and does he agree with the problem child assessment?
    Polly wants a cracker, NOW!

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  38. fish Avatar
    fish

    Summed up nicely………

    “KURT SCHLICHTER: The Democrats’ Massive Impeachment Fail. “To the surprise of no one who isn’t a blue city pol, a media hack, or an insufferable Fredocon sissy, the American people are not particularly impressed by the genius idea of replacing our president a year before an election because he allegedly expressed curiosity about why the coke-sniffing, stripper-impregnating, dead brother’s wife-trifling, Navy-rejected loser son of Vice President Gropey O’Definitelynotsenile scored a $50K+ a month gig on a Ukrainian gas board. And it’s just dawning on some of them they maybe this impeachment brainstorm was not the bestest idea there ever was.”

    https://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2019/12/05/the-democrats-massive-impeachment-fail-n2557446

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  39. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    @ 4:17 pm.
    Best article on the Different and Dangerous Impeachment yet! Great analysis. Many, many nuggies…gold ‘clunker’ nuggies in the miner’s pan. Recommended.
    “But those purple district Dems who got elected talking about “unity” and “working together” and how they would be “independent” and “not Nancy Pelosi’s puppet,” well, it’s a little different when Nancy’s hand is up your puppet hole making you say “impeachment” while your constituents are saying, “Uh, what exactly have you done in D.C. for two years besides whine about Trump?”

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  40. Walt Avatar

    So the Proggys rewrote the meaning of treason. Good luck making that stick.
    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/12/08/treason-house-judiciary-committee-report-trump-ultimate-crime/
    “The Constitution specifically defines treason in Article III, Section 3: “Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.”
    The House Judiciary Committee report, however, expands that definition to include what it calls “betrayal,” and declares: “Although the Framers did not intend impeachment for good faith disagreements on matters of diplomacy, they were explicit that betrayal of the Nation through schemes with foreign powers justified that remedy.”
    The phrase “schemes with foreign powers” is sufficiently vague to include the “quid pro quo” plan that Democrats allege the president attempted to make with Ukraine, trading U.S. aid for investigation into a political opponent.
    (No direct evidence exists to prove that claim, and the only direct witnesses testified before the House Intelligence Committee that the president did not want that “quid pro quo.”) ”
    That makes Biden a traitor.
    Now he claims stupidity?
    https://dailycaller.com/2019/12/08/joe-biden-hunter-biden-axios/
    https://dailycaller.com/2019/12/08/joe-biden-burisma-conflict/
    ““Nobody warned me about a potential conflict of interest. Nobody warned me about that,” Biden told NPR when asked about his discussions while vice president involving his son Hunter Biden’s position with Burisma Holdings.”
    Nice try.
    He was told PLENTY of times.

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  41. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    And the bribery context our Founders used as a guiding light goes back to the Magna Carta in the 1200’s. It means to sell your allegiance to a foreign power and put your allegiance to them ahead your allegiance to your own country or Kingdom. Originally it was meant for deputies and ministers of the King in government….who sold their country out for a bag of wealth. Oh yeah, the common law of England was largely created in the period after the Norman Conquest of 1066.
    Start @ 2:30. Bribery; you know it when you see it.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bk5TpuCtv6A

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  42. Russ Avatar
    Russ

    ONE AMERICA NEWS (OAN) GOES WHERE MSM WON’T: Former Ukrainian Prosecutor General Yuriy Lutsenko tells OAN all about former U.S. Ambassador Marie Yovanovich’s “untouchables” list. If OAN can go to Ukraine and interview principals in the impeachment scandal, why can’t ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC, the Washington Post, New York Times, etc. etc.?
    UPDATE (FROM GLENN): Answer: Because they’re not interested in knowing what actually happened.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgKGjoIkaXU&feature=youtu.be

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  43. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Russ, OAN is a Putin broadcast! Didn’t you hear? Vlady’s waterboy. You are not allowed to question the matter, not to mention watch such extreme far right Russian Colluding
    broadcasts. Where have you been? Bad, Russ, bad. Now get on board with Team Blue.
    Heck, it was easy for Solomon just to walk right up and get Ukrainian court documents. It’s not like he had to pry any doors open. And his phone logs (he doesn’t use AT&T) show three calls to Rudy or (someone like Rudy’s) private number and showing by his log that Solomon was doing exactly what any good reporter would be doing: making a lot of calls and knocking on doors.
    and calling people at their work numbers. A bunch of reporters want to talk to Rudy or other WH officials close to the President from every network. Shocking. Some are more curious than others. Conspiracy!
    The nail that stands up will get pounded down. Trump never said “could ya help a brother out. Could you do ME a favor..” No, he said could you help us out. Us. Bill Barr is looking into stuff that was going on in 2016, Mr. ‘just elected anti-corruption new’President of Ukraine. I am sending Rudy who did a terrific job cleaning up New York. Heard a bunch of terrible things that happened in your county, so you might want to look into it. Terrible things.”

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    Bill Tozer

    One America News: Biden, part two. Debunk this…wait and see. The Mob really had to kick the Ukraine hornet’s Nest to snare Trump, didn’t they. Not a winnings strategy. They just cannot help themselves. Quite short-sighted of the children. TDS does fog judgement, obviously.
    https://www.oann.com/viktor-shokin-biden-outraged-we-seized-burisma-assets/

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  45. eri Avatar

    Thank you for sharing
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    Bill Tozer

    From the Cross News Network
    EXASPERATED: Journalists Fear Dems May Have Blown Impeachment
    “NBC’s Meet the Press host Chuck Todd compared the President to O.J. Simpson when he worried Trump would evade justice: “I’m having a quick flashback to the O.J. trial.” Todd feared Trump was “going to get acquitted” even though “everybody knew” he was “guilty.” His MSNBC colleague Donny Deutsch yelled at his fellow Democrats for being too weak: “We can’t bring a knife” to a fight with Republicans who have “machine guns.”
    CNN host Brian Stelter fretted to fellow CNNer Jake Tapper are we going to “regret not doing even more to speak out about this lying and deceit?” Stelter was so confounded that any Republican could support Trump, he actually asked on a cult expert: “You say the President is using mind control, but how is that provable?”
    https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/geoffrey-dickens/2019/12/09/exasperated-journalists-fear-dems-may-have-blown-impeachment
    **No bias here. News you can’t use. Headlines are funny:
    Trump Bringing America To Its “Terminal Moment”
    How Can Anybody Support Trump? We’ll Ask a Cult Expert
    End Is Near for Trump “Cult”
    Trump’s “Idiot Nationalism” Is Going To Take Down America and the World With Us
    Oust Trump to Reverse Bad Historic Ebb for America
    Our Liberal Bias Is “Reality-Based”
    Journalists Not Anti-Trump Enough
    Screw “Uniting” the Country! “Trump Is Dangerous” for Minorities!
    Trump Is a “Bad Idea” Just Like Hitler
    Why Doesn’t America Hate Trump Like We Do?!
    Time to Vote Out Trump’s “Monarchy in Disguise”

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    Bill Tozer

    Can’t be bothered to investigate. Got it.
    WHEN YOU’VE LOST THE INTELLIGENT VOICES ON THE WASHINGTON POST’S OP-ED PAGE. . .
    In both its news and opinion sections, the Washington Post has been beating the drum for impeaching President Trump. However, two op-eds in today’s paper, both by writers with a strong aversion to Trump, are unimpressed with the case for impeachment. The op-eds are good evidence that the impeachment process isn’t playing out the way Democrats had hoped it would.
    https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2019/12/when-youve-lost-the-intelligent-voices-on-the-washington-posts-op-ed-page.php

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    robert Cross

    In the ‘just another lie’ category: The long hyped right wing excuse that the FBI Russia investigation was politically motivated by the deep state in order to damage trumpler is total bullcrap. The DOJ Inspector General’s report rebuts the depiction of the investigation of trumpler’s campaign as a politically biased plot against him. The report concluded the FBI and DOJ were justified in launching their probe because of evidence the Russian government was trying to infiltrate the Trump campaign as part of its efforts to influence the election. So all of the ‘witch hunt’ garbage is just that, garbage, that less than conscientious consumers of information buy into hook line and sinker, not because they want to know the truth but because they want to believe all the lies, distortions, and outlandish conspiracy theories put forth by trumpler to the detriment of the nation and the world.

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    fish

    Posted by: roberta Cross | 09 December 2019 at 11:17 AM
    Mmmmmm……more delicious word salad made by Americas favorite homemaker roberta Cross….!

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  50. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    Oh BoobieC the AG and Mr. Durham have issued their statements stating the opposite of the deep state IG’s report. You have failed the test.

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