[On the face of it I am not in favor of withdrawing US troops from Syria, especially viz the Kurds. My own long-stated Rebane Doctrine is that the US must continue its role as the world's white hat policeman (hegemon) using responses and methods that will evolve with needs and time. But before we continue hyper-ventilating on the withdrawal, can someone cite the exact parameters of Trump's withdrawal announcement – e.g. is it more than pulling a few tens of troops back from the 20-mile buffer zone? gjr]

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432 responses to “Sandbox – 8oct19”
Here we go!
I, in my great and unmatched wisdom have unleashed the dogs of war so that I can have a cool and profitable hotel in Istanbul. It will be bigly profitable
Turkey fires its first shots: Ankara bombs Kurdish supply route in preparation for invasion to create a ‘peace corridor’ along its border on day after Trump pulls US troops from the area, despite claiming ‘we haven’t abandoned the Kurds’
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7549407/Turkey-says-ready-create-peace-corridor-northern-Syria.html
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So Jiggy-Pooh, sounds like you want us to go to war with Turkey. Why don’t you volunteer or send your kids to help the Kurds?
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WINNING!
The Trump administration’s trade policies are not raising prices of goods for U.S. consumers. And business margins are improving, suggesting that some of the adjustment pains from moving supply-chains out of China are in the rearview mirror.
Prices for goods in the U.S. fell by four-tenths of a percentage point in September, after following a half percentage point in August, three months after tariffs on $200 billion of Chinese imports rose from 10 percent to 25 percent, the Labor Department said Tuesday. Excluding the volatile food and energy categories, prices for goods were down in the month on a seasonally adjusted basis.
https://www.breitbart.com/economy/2019/10/08/no-tariff-inflation/
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Todd-
Nobody expects you to understand the larger picture here. Save yourself some humiliation, put a sock in it, and sit this one out. With all your free time, keep looking for your Cal SCOTUS.
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Not even the President can cite the parameters of US troop withdrawal, obviously, since he did not coordinate his announcement with Congress, the JCS, State, Defense, or CENTCOM.
I short, the President just blurted it out and now all of the institutional entities that normally plan, consider ramifications, provide advise about, and implement such actions are stuck catching up with the whim of der Führer.
This is what happens when a nation gradually slips under the control of the Führerprinzip. It’s also what happens when stupid, misguided, or like minded people go along with authoritarian anti-American governance and empower a Führer.
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!!!WINNING!!!!
Almost one in three REPUBLICANS back impeachment inquiry into Donald Trump in dramatic new poll that says 49 per cent of Americans want him removed from office
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7550813/One-three-REPUBLICANS-impeachment-poll-says-49-Americans-want-Trump-removed.html
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Bring it jiggered Jeffy,,, Trump won’t be removed.
Name the 2/3ds of the Senate that will.
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This your winning liar?
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/warren-faces-mounting-questions-on-another-part-of-her-personal-story-was-she-fired-for-being-pregnant
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Well put Steve,
I’ve spent the morning researching and looking for the parameters of our emergency troop withdrawal. It seems to be something like, “The Turks are coming, get out the way.” This is what happens when foreign “policy” is a fluid construct bouncing around inside the head of a single aged man; and that man is completely incapable of articulating said policy. Kind of scary. His finger is on the button.
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Posted by: Walt | 08 October 2019 at 10:38 AM
I believe that Walt’s conventional position is the most likely….but….
Let’s be clear, most elected Republicans can’t stand Trump. He is a thrice married, pussy grabbing, New York, amoral, self serving, corrupt, criminal who is perverting what the Republican party has stood for for the last 50 years.
Sure there a several brainwashed mouthpieces..Meadows, Jordan, Nunes, et al…but the rank and file elected merely tolerate Trump to hold on to power.
As soon as 60% of Americans support removal from office they will abandon him to try to save their own skin…the question is solely, is there enough to get to that 60%
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Walt 10:38-
That is beside the point. What is happening is classic rope a dope where Trump is being kept off balance and having to be on the defensive side of the argument. He hates that. There is little doubt that, technically, he will not be removed, but with the numbers where they are, few Pubbers are going to stick their political necks out to support his positions. Trump is a proven quitter and when people don’t love hm as much as he thinks he deserves, I can see him simply walking away from the job with some face-saving sour grapes excuse. Like Todd, it’s never his fault. Just ask him.
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It’s also what happens when stupid, misguided, or like minded people go along with authoritarian anti-American governance and empower a Führer.
If only he was Negro Brown instead of Day Glo Orange……..then you wouldn’t have to see him at all would you Steve?!
Indeed….if you dumbfucks hadn’t decided to follow the Republicans “Bob Dole….It’s His Turn Now” principle and nominated anybody other than Felonia Von Pantsuit then none of this unpleasantness would have been necessary!
You have no one to blame but yourselves…….
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Posted by: Jig Wiggly | 08 October 2019 at 10:24 AM
Dayshift have you called Pelosis office to tell her to formally start the impeachment process or are you just going to sit there and keep jerking off with sand?
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Pelosi is a wise. shrewd old prune. She’ll wring this out as long as she can and for all it is worth. She is a master at this game and those who underestimate her are going to get their lunch eaten.
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Jig Wiggly | 08 October 2019 at 10:20 AM
As usual you moron you never answer the question. But go straight to namecalling. You have no clue about the middle east so I suggest rather than further embarrassment for you total ignorance you go back to your bridge and shut you huge pie hole. I know more about the issues than you will ever be able to understand. That is why you lash out as your ignorance is exposed on all this stuff. What a numbskull you troll.
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Millions and millions of people jumping onto the Trump Train. Stave and his butt pal Jiggy should take heed.
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Todd 11:23
“As usual you moron you never answer the question. But go straight to namecalling.”
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I ask the lefty nuts here. What about the Yalta? Lots to learn about Presidential power.
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If I recall the left was all in posting the daily death toll of our troops to get the people PO’d and force their withdrawal. Now they are all in for keeping those men and women there. I think Jiigy-Pooh etal are schizo.
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Todd
Can you provide some documentation as to the “Millions and millions of people jumping onto the Trump Train” ?
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re StevenF’s 1023am – Absence of evidence to the contrary, I have to agree with Frisch’s assessment of how the troop withdrawal came about. But his usual diatribe about the “Führerprinzip” is also off the wall and without supporting evidence. Whether we agree with Trump’s process or not, the Constitution allows him to do what he’s doing, the rest is ongoing progressive narrative.
On the other hand, wonder why no leftie has stepped forward to comment on Newsom’s latest shot in the shorts to California’s public schools. What are we to make of such crickets? (And one could ask about 100 more of such sounds of silence.)
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Todd 12:11 –
Links? Links? Links? Anything from Juvinall’s mouth are to be considered empty, hollow lies without evidence to the contrary..
Right now I’m hearing as many pissed off Pubbers as Progressives wailing about Trump deserting our allies. The only ones to profit are Trump and his family. Trying to make it a partisan issue is part and parcel with you and Walt. It simply isn’t true.
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WiggyJiggly 1233pm
One thing Toddie does is post under a name that everyone knows.
Unlike you.
Frisch 1044am
I see you still have a 100% White staff. In a California non-profit that otherwise appears to push all the right (meaning Left) Progressive buttons.
How do you get away with it?
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Jig Wiggly | 08 October 2019 at 12:33 PM
If you think I care what you say you are sorely mistaken. You are a troll and I am a real person posting my real name. I am easy to find and I have a large local following as well as outside the area. You have none. I suggest you post your real name so we can debate as people. So get some nards if you are a guy and come debate or STFU troll.
Gregory has rightly posted the hypocrite Frisch is regarding his positions on race. Practice what you preach or stay away.
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Posted by: Gregory | 08 October 2019 at 01:53 PM
How do you get away with it?
The same way he gets away with his travel bromance with jeffy……shameless hypocrisy! Arch Klimate Kriminal Pelline……jetting all over the world in “Cargo Pallet” Class spewing tons of CO2 in his flabby wake! The Weeping Clown of Climate Science….mindlessly and enthusiastically applauding jeffys environmental sins!
I shouldn’t be surprised…..the rules don’t apply to the “New Class” and a guy in marketing…. has…. to…. hustle…. all…. the….time, even when he doesn’t believe in the product!
After all….that cushy Truckee retirement isn’t going to fund itself!
Exciting times indeed…….
(For big yucks check out Jigglys thread over at the Sierra Foothills Catbox and read of Steves passionate longing for Chinese like authoritarian powers……he hides it well but still comes through!)
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Frisch und freunde come here and say tsk tsk tsk… you’re all racist… all the time he’s been running a tidy little non-profit that, by all appearances, would have passed muster under the Nuremberg Laws in the 1930’s.
In fact, there are at least five women working at SBC who’d give Eva Braun a run for the Fuehrer’s money.
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Todd 2:00
“I am a real person”
Link?
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In the “lock’em up lock’em up” category: the White House today has written a letter to Congress refusing to cooperate with the impeachment inquiry in any way..contrary to what the Constitution of the United States empowers Congress to conduct and the executive branch to comply with. Does obstruction of justice ring a bell?
Would this be treason under the name of republican partisanship?
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Obstruction of Justice? Bobby… the justice department doesn’t have anything to do with the machinations of Congress here, and nothing the Shiffter does is even handed.
Bring up the impeachment to a vote of the House, Nancy. And then move forward, with the GOP having a seat at the table.
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Uh, we will get back to you when we think up something to make you go away –
Bohai Harvest RST (BHR), a private equity firm bankrolled by the Chinese government, is weighing how and if it should explain its relationship with Hunter Biden, the youngest son of former Vice President Joe Biden.
The company, which is one of China’s largest mutual fund management firms, told the South China Morning Post it was “working to produce an explanation” about the younger Biden’s “role.”
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/10/08/chinese-state-backed-firm-weighing-how-to-explain-hunter-biden-ties/
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Posted by: Roberta Cross | 08 October 2019 at 03:17 PM
Does obstruction of justice ring a bell?
Not until Pelosi holds a vote Bertie!
Really……have you called her office? Things seem to be swinging your way……why are you guys fucking around like liberal democrats?
In the words of the immortal Rashida Talib….”just impeach the M’effer’!
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Jiggy-Pooh 300pm, then you are not a resident here and do not know anything or anyone local or our history. I thought so.
Frisch is actually practicing what his commie pals do to over a billion humans. To have such a wonderful feeling for the authoritarian fascist communist ideologies is really over the top. Hell a NBA owner said Go Freedom to the Hong Kong protestors and the Chicoms turned off all NBA games from TV. Where are Frisch, Pelline, Emery, and Jiggy0Boo on that? Crickets. My guess is those lovelies will blame Trump. Just wait!
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Robert Cross | 08 October 2019 at 03:17 PM
Not an official process until there is a vote bub. And Schiff won’t allow R’s to ask questions or be in a closed hearing. Now all you do is whine about Transparency and yet your people won’t allow it. I suggest you write a letter asking your lover Schiff to open these hearing so Americans can see and hear them. Or are you just an authoritarian?
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Trump gives bird to Democrats. lol
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Posted by: Barry Pruett | 08 October 2019 at 03:32 PM
Really….is it so difficult for them to hold a vote and do it by the numbers?
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The dems cannot do things in the light. Look at Biden and Obama and the rest of their swamp dwellers. All in the dark to keep Americans from seeing their corruption.
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Todd 3:26-
“then you are not a resident here and do not know anything or anyone local or our history. I thought so.”
What language is this? What did he just say? Yoo hoo Todd. Grocery Outlet has Aqua Velva on sale.
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While schiff for brains and botox Nancy are doing a kabuki dance things get worse for team 0 –
However, based on what he has been finding, Durham has expanded his investigation adding agents and resources, the senior administration officials said. The timeline has grown from the beginning of the probe through the election and now has included a post-election timeline through the spring of 2017, up to when Robert Mueller was named special counsel.
Attorney General Bill Barr and Durham traveled to Italy recently to talk to law enforcement officials there about the probe and have also had conversations with officials in the U.K. and Australia about the investigation, according to multiple sources familiar with the meetings.
Sol Wisenberg says whistleblower complaint is effort to discredit John Durham’s investigation
Certain segments of the intelligence community and the Democratic Party are ‘scared to death’ of what U.S. Attorney John Durham will find, says Fox News contributor Sol Wisenberg, former deputy independent counsel.
Barr assigned Durham, the U.S. attorney in Connecticut, back in May to conduct the inquiry into alleged misconduct and improper surveillance of the Trump campaign in 2016, as well as whether Democrats were the ones who’d improperly colluded with foreign actors.
The attorney “is gathering information from numerous sources, including a number of foreign countries. At Attorney General Barr’s request, the president has contacted other countries to ask them to introduce the attorney general and Mr. Durham to appropriate officials,” Justice Department spokeswoman Kerri Kupec said last month.
Durham, known as a “hard-charging, bulldog” prosecutor, according to a source, has been focusing on the use and assignments of FBI informants, as well as alleged improper issuance of Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) warrants. Durham was asked to help Barr to “ensure that intelligence collection activities by the U.S. government related to the Trump 2016 presidential campaign were lawful and appropriate.”
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/durham-investigation-trump-campaign-surveillance-expanded-scope
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Posted by: Jig Wiggly | 08 October 2019 at 03:44 PM
Grocery Outlet has Aqua Velva on sale.
Does it cover the stench of 500 lbs worth of meat sweats?
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Gregory 3:25
“Bring up the impeachment to a vote of the House, Nancy. And then move forward, with the GOP having a seat at the table.”
You are a very gullible and sadly mistaken man to believe Nancy does anything haphazardly. Every day public support for impeachment grows stronger, and The Donald just keeps digging his hole deeper with his tweets and stonewalling. Nancy is holding impeachment just out of reach like a carrot on a string. She is a master at this. When she feels the public furor has reached a crescendo, she’ll let the guillotine fly. This is not about kicking Trump out of office, it about building public perception and the next election. Every minute of this is premeditated and choreographed.
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Posted by: J. Barron | 08 October 2019 at 03:55 PM
Thank you for admitting that this is all political theater!
Really no need to pay attention to any of your other complaints!
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Fish-
Complaints? By me? As jigs would say, “Links please. And a glass of fine whine.”
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Jig Wiggly | 08 October 2019 at 03:44 PM
Hi Jeff Pelline!
That proves you don’t know diddly about local history. And can’t even answer a simple set of questions. moron.
Bar-room407
Pelosi is not that smart. She is a consummate liar and you libs always fall for it. Shows how dumb libs truly are.
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Looks like 2019 will be bigger than 2018 which was equivalent to the prior 3 years –
https://www.military.com/daily-news/2019/10/08/us-airstrikes-afghanistan-hit-heaviest-levels-2010.html
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Posted by: J. Barron | 08 October 2019 at 04:07 PM
All that whining about “the rule of law” and “muh constitution”…..utter bullshit!
Exactly what I expected!
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fish | 08 October 2019 at 04:14 PM
It is only in their pea brains.
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Barron Harkonen 355pm
Where did you pick up the misunderstanding that I didn’t think Pelosi thought it through?
Of course she thought doing it this way would make the water torture last long enough to get Trump the 1000 Cuts they need to wound him enough to beat in Nov 2020 while keeping the House majority in grips of the DP Party. But the subpoenas are something less than real subpoenas, and the Dem’s will just have to stomp their little feets in anger. “ooooh, that makes me mad!”
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JB @3:55 Just because she is conniving and without scruples does not mean she is any good at choreography; let’s wait and see.
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Afternoon, gents. Boy, VDH is on a typing terror lately. These great articles seem to fly off his fingertips by the hour.
‘Groundbreaking’ disclosures fall apart, hoaxes are exposed, the media are discredited, over and over and over again.
What do the Kavanaugh hearings, Jussie Smollett, the Covington kids, the Mueller investigation, and now the Trump phone call all have in common?
“Staged melodrama, media collusion hysteria, progressive demands that justice be served immediately, promises of walls-are-closing-in blockbuster revelations from new witnesses, supposed surprise revelatory documents, fusions between Democratic politicians and Washington bureaucrats — and then bust, nada, and teeth-gnashing as the truth catches up to various rumor-mongers.
“The disgraced purveyors of lies — a Christine Blasey Ford, Michael Avenatti, Nathan Phillips, Jussie Smollet, Adam Schiff — for a time go mute, content with progressives’ praise that they lied for a moral cause and almost pulled it off.
“The particular narrative is not all that important, at least compared with a general overriding theme: We are in a virtual civil war, and the Left believes that it can win over the hearts and minds of 20 to 30 percent of the swing voters in the United States with therapeutic tales of racism, sexism, unearned white privilege, and right-wing greed and selfishness, and also by destroying the elected president. Particular events in the news are warped and twisted, to the degree that they can be, to serve that narrative — on the principle that the superior moral end of ensuring a radical equality of result more than justifies the often tawdry and dishonest means to achieve it…………………….
“When it is all over, there are no apologies and no contriteness, just a shrug. After all, if it wasn’t true, it could have been, or it reflected a higher moral truth, and lying for noble ends justifies the means. In fact, those who call out the rumor-mongers, sanctimonious scolds, and political hacks are usually themselves damned as racists, homophobes, Stalinists, Trump robots, conspiracy theorists, or any such slur deemed useful in projectionist fashion to deflect their own culpability.
“So here we are, on the eve of impeaching a president on the basis of disgruntled White House staffers, whose rumors in secondhand and thirdhand fashion were passed on to a “whistleblower” who worked hand in hand with partisan lawyers and Adam Schiff to circumvent the normal whistleblower protocols and smear a president.
“And we will all shrug and grow quiet — at least until the next Blasey Ford, Michael Avenatti, Jussie Smollett, Nathan Philipps, dream-team, all-star star chamber, James Comey, or “anonymous” crusading “whistleblower” comes forth to seek notoriety and do his yeoman’s work to rid the country of Trump and all his odious henchmen.
“Meanwhile, they have no idea of the wreckage they have inflicted on the intelligence agencies, the media, the Democratic party, themselves, and the country — or much less why a growing number of Americans are sick of them all.”
https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/10/trump-impeachment-inquiry-anti-trump-psychodrama/
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The juggernaut of a campaign has raised the most money ever –
Now, Trump has a roaring reelection apparatus. There are six main committees working to secure his second term, including the official campaign, the Republican National Committee and a super PAC. Together, they have already raised over $736 million – more than any previous presidential candidate at this point in the campaign.
Trump is armed with a bigger reelection operation than his predecessors had at this stage in their campaigns.
By this point in 2011, the official committees working toward President Barack Obama’s second term had raised at least $390 million – a little over half of what Trump has now, campaign filings show.
During the 2016 campaign, one way Trump saved money was by leveraging his celebrity, bombast and larger-than-life personality to attract coverage in the media.
“He was on TV all the time,” said Alex Conant, GOP strategist and senior adviser to Rubio’s 2016 campaign. It “turned out to be a brilliant strategy, and one that doesn’t require much campaign infrastructure – just a cellphone and proximity to a TV camera.”
Trump still enjoys those advantages. But he now has internal polling, a system to test messages on Facebook to figure out what ads resonate most with voters and a rapid-response team tasked with mounting a public relations offensive at a moment’s notice.
https://www.inquirer.com/politics/nation/trump-reelection-presidential-campaign-democrats-20191008.html
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