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  1. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    So it was higher with no pesky humans activity? Must have been the dino farts. –
    A group of scientists studying evidence preserved in cave formations have found that sea level was as much as 52 feet higher than the present day more than 3 million years ago.
    The researchers were particularly interested in a time during Pliocene known as the mid-Piacenzian Warm Period, which was some 3 million years ago.
    “The interval also marks the last time the Earth’s atmospheric CO2 was as high as today, providing important clues about what the future holds in the face of current anthropogenic warming,” Onac said.
    https://www.foxnews.com/science/past-sea-level-rise-scientists-find-evidence-several-million-years-old
    😉

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  2. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    @6:29 pm
    Evening Walt. As far as Biden goes, his distortions of the truth is already baked into the cake. The libbies do not care. The Biden flub video montages are already too long and that does not even include yesterday’s and today’s flubs. It’s only August and the string of head scratching WTFs have no sign of letting up.
    Biden’s gaffs and struggling to finish a sentence or drifting off in the middle of a thought to something seemingly unrelated is who he is and who they are stuck with. No big deal to the submissive popinjays.
    Biden is one dangerous mo fro. Don’t ever get fooled by his lunch box Joe persona he likes to project. As far a extreme vitriol in politics and dirty tricks in the modern era, look no further than what Biden pulled with the Bork hearings and Anita Hill. He started and authored the Kavanaugh bull pucky back then. It was Joe Biden that brought forth what we see today. He is one vicious vile man.
    Do like Biden invoking God and honor before he spouts his lies. Gives it an air of believability, lol. Swear to God, man.
    “This is the God’s truth,” Biden had said as he told the story. “My word as a Biden.”
    “Except almost every detail in the story appears to be incorrect. Based on interviews with more than a dozen U.S. troops, their commanders and Biden campaign officials, it appears as though the former vice president has jumbled elements of at least three actual events into one story of bravery, compassion and regret that never happened.”
    Wa Post.
    More of “My word as a Biden and God’s truth”:
    https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/8xwq4k/biden-had-said-he-worked-the-coal-mines-was-shot-at-in-iraq-and-marched-in-the-civil-rights-movement-he-has-not-done-those-things
    Guess Sleepy Creepy Joe is just doing one of those Lefty “It’s is better to be morally right than factually correct” moral high ground virtue preening things. Baked into the cake.

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  3. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Good video contained in link. We will never store our energy in batteries at night or when the wind stops blowing. 100% renewable energy is a hoax. A lefty fantasy.
    https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2019/08/batteries-a-forlorn-hope.php
    And yes, Biden is a dope.

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  4. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    Standing up to the chi coms is becoming contagious –
    Chinese and Vietnamese coast guard vessels are engaged in a high-profile standoff over a lucrative oil block claimed by Vietnam near its coast. The U.S. last week criticized China’s move to send a survey ship off Vietnam as “an escalation by Beijing in its efforts to intimidate other claimants out of developing resources in the South China Sea.”
    The State Department accused China of blocking Southeast Asian nations from accessing an estimated $2.5 trillion in unexploited hydrocarbon resources. Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison last week urged Asian countries to stand up for their sovereign rights during a trip to Hanoi.
    China accused the U.S. of trying to drive a wedge between China and other countries and create “chaos” in the region.
    In recent months, Beijing has stepped up efforts to pursue administrative control within its so-called “nine-dash line” encompassing some 80% of the South China Sea. Its recent actions openly challenge a Hague Tribunal ruling that declared the territory claim illegal three years ago.
    The three European countries called on claimants to respect that ruling, urging China and Asean countries to come to terms on a code of conduct in the South China Sea.
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/u-k-france-germany-concerned-083219816.html
    😉

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  5. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    The socialist dems rancid Russian dressing team will not allow any heresy! Follow the party theology or die!-
    CNN commentator Steve Cortes met with President Donald Trump Friday after CNN benched him for dispelling the “Charlottesville hoax” that the president once called Neo-Nazis “very fine people.”
    Cortes was seen leaving the White House Friday afternoon, and a source familiar with the situation reported that President Trump met with the CNN contributor in solidarity.
    A source said that CNN benched him and prevented him from appearing on CNN for disputing the mainstream media “very fine people hoax.”
    The mainstream media– as well as former Vice President Joe Biden — have continued to insist that Trump referred to Neo-Nazis as “fine people.” Cortes and many others have disputed this claim.
    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/08/30/steve-cortes-cnn-contributor-benched-for-fighting-charlottesville-hoax-met-with-trump/
    😉

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  6. Scott O Avatar

    Here’s a great run down on what the Dems have to offer.
    https://www.takimag.com/article/crackup-in-the-democratic-party/
    Money quote:
    “By any sane standards, Moulton is a thoroughly liberal Democrat. On every issue, he’s more left-wing than President Barack Obama was on the day he left office. Three years ago, Moulton would have been considered a liberal firebrand. But not anymore. By the lunatic standards of the modern Democratic Party, Moulton is now a flaming moderate, and that’s the kiss of death. Moderates are no longer welcome in the Democratic Party.”

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  7. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    @ 8:59 pm
    Ryan: “In this discussion already tonight, we’ve talked about taking private health insurance away from union members in the industrial Midwest, we’ve talked about….”
    Just in time for Labor Day!
    ——————————-
    I don’t necessarily agree with this writer that Biden is toast quite yet, but he has his POV about Biden and is worth considering.
    BIDEN HAS NO CHANCE
    “The Democratic Party has a serious problem: their front-runner for the presidential nomination is a dope. You have read about Joe Biden’s “gaffes”: he can’t remember Barack Obama’s name, he tells a story about military heroism that is wrong in every detail, he can’t remember that by 2018, when the Parkland shooting happened, he was long gone from the vice presidency, and so on. Biden can’t get through a day without a blunder that makes headlines.
    “But there is a difference. The classic Washington definition of a “gaffe” is when someone says what he really thinks. With Biden, headline-making blunders reveal significant cognitive difficulties. Biden has been slow for his whole life–of average intelligence at best–and his mental faculties have not improved as he has aged. At 76 years old, the is no longer competent, assuming he ever was.
    “This is a big problem for the Democrats. Despite everything, Biden remains on top of polls for their presidential nomination. Other candidates–Elizabeth Warren, Bernie Sanders, Kamala Harris–have gained a certain amount of traction. But it is extraordinary that they haven’t yet been able to surpass a candidate who, to put it politely, is no longer capable of appearing and speaking in public. This attests to the weakness of the Democrats’ presidential field.
    “I think there is zero chance that Joe Biden will be the Democrats’ 2020 presidential nominee. He is obviously not up to the task, and Democratic primary voters are not in the mood to select a deeply confused, 76-year-old white man to run for president. The nominee will be someone else. But the fact that no candidate has stepped forward to seize the mantle–or even exceed Biden’s total in a poll!–shows how thin the Democrats’ bench is.
    “If I were a Democrat, I would be worried about the fact that my party’s best-known politician, who still tops most polls, is obviously unqualified to run a small business, let alone the executive branch of the United States of America. This is a huge problem that the Democrats have yet to solve.“

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  8. L Avatar
    L

    Don @ 6:47 Interesting. But no need to go back so far- it’s thought that the sea level was as much as 10 meters high during the Emian Interglacial only about 100kya.

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  9. L Avatar
    L

    higher

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  10. fish Avatar
    fish

    ”Burgundy’s Vineyards Haven’t Been This Hot And Dry Since “The Black Death” In The 14th Century”
    Yes…..I’ve heard it was horrible……piles of bodies everywhere, and the traffic jams…..endless! Rivers of tail lights as far as the eye could see.
    https://www.zerohedge.com/health/burgundys-vineyards-havent-been-hot-and-dry-black-death-14th-century-0

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  11. Jig Wiggly Avatar
    Jig Wiggly

    Todd 6:16
    “I’m surrounded by kids . . . they all love me.”
    Epstein’s thoughts exactly. You two are cut from the same cloth. Rationalize everything, “B B But officer they love me.”

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  12. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    Jig Wiggly | 31 August 2019 at 08:16 AM
    My kids are married and their 30’s. You really are a perv jiggy. It must be lonely out there in the pasture with the moo cows. You need a brain tansplant you are just sick.

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  13. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Here’s an interesting take on a widespread collegian scam… summer camp for highschoolers that parents and their kiddies think are bona fide educational experience that gives them a booster seat at admissions time…
    The pre-college racket!
    https://washingtonmonthly.com/magazine/september-october-2019/the-other-college-admissions-scandal/?fbclid=IwAR3nX79kHlOXXH_bbHFuSGLFPwu4yswl9N9wWE9ake7_7bhFCdPfI74x9VM
    If the shoe fits, wear it, Jeff.

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  14. Jig Wiggly Avatar
    Jig Wiggly

    Todd 8:49
    Hate to break it to you. Your kids don’t love you. My father cheated on my mom and dumped her for another women (and did the same all over again). Our hatred for our father has never died. You are a self obsessed pervert to believe your children’s politeness to you is anything remotely like love. You have not been excused or forgiven. Undeniable fact of life.

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  15. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    Oh Jiggy you didn’t have a chance. Sorry for your sad life. and now you admit you are a bastard. That’s tough. But we all see how ashamed you are of yourself and your cheating family members. Sad. But my kids love me and all my women as well. Maybe you will get the guts to admit who you really are rather than the troll you are here. But alas, no one loves you except the cows of the pasture and they are even unsure.

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  16. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    For the Berkeiser screed on immigrants today.
    We have a system of LEGAL immigration. You are talking about illegals. Sure we are all related over time to those that came before. Native people came from Siberia so no one is immune from that fact. But if we want to have a country we must have borders and they need to be honored. Otherwise we are doomed. So if people want to come earn money picking fruit or cleaning the liberals feces covered sidewalks in SF and LA that is fine. But do it legally. Now we see diseases we had eradicated returniong with these illegals. You want to die of some POX? I doubt it. And cages? The detention centers are havens of safety for these little kids sent by their scum parents to travel alone to get here. Why don’t you travel tpo their countries and tell those people what scum they are for placing their kids in the hands of sex traffickers?

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  17. Walt Avatar

    There there… jigger. Now go find yourself a renta-buddy and spill your guts.
    Now tell us how LIBERALISM made it ALLLLLLLL better.

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  18. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Todd Juvinall | 31 August 2019 at 10:36 AM
    Todd….is it possible that you, without your knowledge, had a really fat illegitimate kid who just found out and now is really, really mad because you never played catch with him or took him to a ball game??

    You have not been excused or forgiven. Undeniable fact of life.

    Sounds like jeffy…..err…..ummm……Jiggly is just working out some unresolved daddy issues.

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  19. Walt Avatar

    Ancestry dot com?

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  20. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    The angry old white guy is not playing well this cycle –
    The shift of support from Sanders to Warren has not gone unnoticed. Both candidates espouse similar ideas, embracing the more progressive flank of the Democrat party. Both are proponents of radical proposals like Medicare for All and the Green New Deal, but Warren appears to offer her ideas in a more measured way.
    Sanders, on the other hand, poses his mission as a “revolution.” Warren, in many ways, presents her ideas in terms that are “less scary,” Brookings Institution senior fellow William Galston said.
    “It’s not as though [Warren is] content to thunder against the evildoers like an Old Testament prophet. That’s much more his mode,” Galston said, according to the Washington Post.
    “Sanders sees [his campaign] as a revolutionary mass movement to upset the established order. While Senator Warren is obviously very dissatisfied with the status quo, she describes her campaign in very different terms and terms that I think are less scary,” he added.
    Sanders is currently in a close battle with Warren for second place nationally. Real Clear Politics shows the Vermont senator holding a slight edge over Warren, besting her by .6 percent.
    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/08/31/many-sanders-supporters-not-enthralled-by-angry-bernie/
    😉

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  21. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    fish | 31 August 2019 at 02:17 PM
    Maybe. I was truly really drunk one night many years ago and boinked this ugly chick. She was a total embarrassment that I am really ashamed of. I mean really really ugly. And she later told me she gave birth to a really fat kid. World record size. And as he grew older he became deranged and hateful that his sperm donor never showed up. He went to Berkely and Northwestern she later told me. OMG!!! Maybe!

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  22. J. Barron Avatar
    J. Barron

    White male, mid thirties, right wing activist shoots up Texas. Again. And. Again.
    What seem to be the common denominators here? Oh yeah, I can hear it now, “Wait until the blood dries before politicizing the murders”.

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  23. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    No one has a clue yet about whop he is or his motives. You loons of the left just make it up. I am watching it live right now and just listened to a sheriff’s news conference. You are an idiot.

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  24. Walt Avatar

    jigger hauls out his backup sock puppet.
    Good money says it’s another twisted off proggy. They always are.

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  25. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: J. Barron | 31 August 2019 at 04:27 PM
    White male, mid thirties, right wing activist shoots up Texas. Again. And. Again.

    Well what do you propose J?

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  26. fish Avatar
    fish

    You’re slipping J…you missed this one!
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9834310/ladd-peebles-stadium-shooting-10-hurt-football-game/
    Let’s hear your proposals…. and none of your usual progressive half measures this time!
    I want to know what you are going to do to prevent these things…….entirely..!

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  27. Walt Avatar

    “J”,,, as in jigger breath.

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  28. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    Comrade Bernie burned himself in the same week he got beat by a speed bag –
    The Post also cited a 2018 study published by the New England Journal of Medicine (NEJM), which examined patients in California. It found that “medical bankruptcies represented 4 percent of all bankruptcies,” calling Sanders’ claim of 500,000 into question:
    “Based on our estimate of 4 percent of bankruptcy filings per year and the approximately 800,000 bankruptcy filings per year, our number would be much closer to something on the order of 30,000-50,000 bankruptcies caused by a hospitalization,” one of the co-authors of the NEJM study, economist Raymond Kluender of Harvard Business School, wrote in an email.
    However, the Sanders campaigns stuck to its guns, telling the Post, “Medical debt caused by the greed of pharmaceutical and insurance corporations is crippling millions of Americans, and it’s clear that 500,000 is the bare minimum number of bankruptcy filings caused by medical debt each year.”
    While David U. Himmelstein, who led the AJPH study, said Sanders accurately cited the study’s findings, the Post concluded that Sanders’ assessment was a “classic case of cherry-picking a number from a scientific study and twisting it to make a political point” and gave his statement Three Pinocchios.
    https://www.breitbart.com/2020-election/2019/08/31/sanders-campaign-blasts-washington-post-demands-retraction-for-inaccurate-fact-check/
    😉

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  29. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    Sometimes it is all about the Benjamin’s or krona –
    The Swedish municipality of Hässleholm, which took in nearly 3,000 asylum seekers in three years, faces an economic crisis as up to 80 per cent remain on welfare.
    The main issue behind the crisis is the expiration of the establishment period; a two-year term in which the Swedish national government covers the costs of housing and integrating migrants.
    Local Social Democrat politician Lena Wallentheim complained that the period is simply not long enough to integrate migrants into the labour market, saying, “When the Employment Service withdraws, it becomes a double blow. The costs then fall on the municipality, in the form of support grants.”
    City Council chairman Johnsson went on to admit the issue should have been tackled years ago, saying, “the fear of discussing the issue has been devastating. It is unfortunate that we have not been able to discuss soberly without the racist card coming out.”
    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2019/08/31/another-swedish-municipality-that-took-in-migrants-faces-economic-crisis/
    😉

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  30. fish Avatar
    fish

    Hmmmmm……I guess J is out penning a gun control paper for our review.
    Aaanyway…..
    How come our local progressives think that everything Euro is just ducky except when they contradict with their domestic political goals?
    Looks like Europe is on board with import tariffs!!
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-48915578?ocid=socialflow_twitter

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  31. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Well, if they won’t assimilate, send them to Greenland.
    https://www.intellectualtakeout.org/article/denmarks-new-ghetto-policies-desperate-push-cultural-assimilation-muslims.
    “We should be able to recognize our country,” Prime Minister Rasmussen said in March. “There are places where I don’t recognize what I’m seeing.”
    https://www.vox.com/world/2018/7/3/17525960/denmark-children-immigrant-muslim-danish-ghetto

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  32. Scott O Avatar

    What a joke – “Oh yeah, I can hear it now, “Wait until the blood dries before politicizing the murders”.
    Beta O’Rourke is on it, already!
    “Not sure how many gunmen. Not sure how many people have been shot. Don’t know how many people have been killed. The condition of those who have survived. Don’t know what the motivation is, do not yet know the firearms that were used or how they acquired them,” O’Rourke told a crowd of supporters during a campaign speech in Fairfax Station, Virginia.
    But we do know this is f-cked up. We do know that this has to stop in this country.”
    This is one smart fella.
    Murder is “f@cked up”
    Definitely presidential material.
    He doesn’t know any details and doesn’t care. Just “do something”.
    I know – let’s go after people we don’t like politically. It won’t stop any violence, but it will piss off folks we don’t like.
    You leftys are such a joke.

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  33. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    I think only creepy grampa joe a some socialist’s would be surprised by this. –
    https://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2019/08/31/report-china-intercepting-wechat-messages-from-both-domestic-and-foreign-users/
    😉

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  34. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Holy Smokes! Another one in the same county. Deport them and they come back for more.
    “Seventh Illegal Alien Accused Of Sex Crime In Sanctuary County Over Last Month”
    “Since July 25, Montgomery County Police have arrested at least seven confirmed undocumented immigrants for alleged rapes and sexual assaults,” Fox News reported. “Montgomery County Executive Marc Elrich signed an executive order last month designating the county a ‘sanctuary’ jurisdiction.”
    “The executive order prohibits all county agencies and law enforcement officials from cooperating with Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) officials. Usually, the only areas that are designated as ‘sanctuaries’ are controlled by Democrats, which oftentimes puts the public in harm’s way because offenders are released into the public versus being deported.”
    https://www.dailywire.com/news/51272/seventh-illegal-alien-accused-sex-crime-sanctuary-ryan-saavedra?

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  35. Scott O Avatar

    Jiggy 10:12 – “Our hatred for our father has never died.”
    Explains a lot. Leftys usually have unresolved personal issues they transfer to politics hoping it will be taken care of by the authorities.
    Harboring hatred is stupid, non-productive, childish, self destructive and only spreads the negative attitude down into the following generations.
    You need professional counseling. Hating your father does nothing good. It doesn’t heal, it doesn’t undo the original wrong, it doesn’t make anyone feel any better and it will only cause you mental and physical problems.

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  36. Walt Avatar

    OK Scott, send him your bill.
    He can afford it, he’s combing Jeffy’s back hair up in Tahoe at the moment.

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  37. Scott O Avatar

    Where do these people come from?
    https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2019/08/31/msnbcs-chris-hayes-if-the-electoral-college-wasnt-in-the-constitution-it-would-be-unconstitutional/
    “But I think there’s actually a deeper philosophical thing happening which is the question of what exactly American democracy is for.”
    Uh – because we are a republic. Not a democracy.
    But I’m man-splaining again.
    Is Mr Hayes claiming that if Clinton won the electoral vote and Trump won the popular vote, he would go for Trump?
    What a bag of wind. Typical left wing moron.

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  38. Scott O Avatar

    Walt – yeah, Tahoe, Nevada County, Sun Valley – these leftys love those whitey-white places. The non-whites are there of course. In their place. Serving.
    What a joke.

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  39. Walt Avatar

    jigger is going to owe you plenty of pesos…

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  40. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    I don’t feel safe.
    “KU granted Chick-fil-A, a bastion of bigotry, a prime retail location in the heart of our campus,” KU’s Sexuality & Gender Diversity Faculty and Staff Council said in a letter sent this week to Chancellor Doug Girod, the provost’s office and the athletic department, the Kansas City Star reported Thursday.
    “Moving Chick-fil-A to the Union and granting it a role at the start of all home football games violates the feelings of safety and inclusion that so many of us have striven to create, foster, and protect on campus, and sends a message that the Union, KU Athletics, and the administration at large are more concerned about money and corporate sponsorship than the physical, emotional, emotional, and mental well being of marginalized and LGBTQ people,” he continued.
    I feel marginalized. I do not feel reaffirmed. I feel fear. I feel unsafe.
    https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/aug/30/chick-fil-a-deal-prompts-boycott-calls-by-ku-facul/

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  41. Walt Avatar

    Yup, those chicken sandwiches can turn a gay straight.

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  42. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Couple of Comey articles.
    Andrew McCarty
    https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/08/trump-was-always-the-target-of-the-russia-investigation/
    John Solomon slaps a couple of Wa Compost journalists down with facts…in a professional manner. He knows of which he speaks.
    “When confronted like this, a professional journalist has an obligation: Either retract and correct what you got wrong, or show the public the facts that affirm the reporting. I will do the latter.”
    https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/459472-comeys-classified-misconduct-and-the-medias-flawed-coverage-of-it

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  43. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Why is housing so expensive? Todd might relate.
    “I have to spend $80,000 before I can drive one nail into a piece of wood,” Green says. Just preparing to manufacture a house can take four to five months. This includes permits, land-use studies, appealing to various boards, and pleading with politicians. How long did he wait to reach this starting line when he began in this business in the late 1990s? “Three to four weeks.” Thus, he has seen a five- to seven-fold increase in the time needed to launch projects in just two decades.
    In fact, “Jack Green” is a pseudonym by which to shield this gentleman’s identity, as he requests, “since I still deal with these people.”
    “Green once aspired to create 60 homes on land that he purchased. By the time officials finished with him, he actually wound up creating only 13 homes, a 78 percent decrease in planned housing stock. Since he had fewer homes to sell, his asking price per dwelling soared 233 percent — from roughly $300,000 to $700,000. “And you wonder why homes have become unaffordable?” he ask
    https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/08/heres-why-housing-is-so-expensive/

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  44. George Rebane Avatar

    DonB 608pm – Agreed. The Europeans who expect their mid-eastern new immigrants to assimilate and become productive are definitely consuming illegal substances. Those who arrived at Europe’s gates overwhelmingly come from cultures that 1) have markedly different social contracts from the Europeans, and 2) almost certainly were never engaged in any productive or socially beneficial enterprise in their native countries. To expect them to change now that they are finally secure and succored, is the height of idiocy.

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  45. Barry Pruett Avatar
    Barry Pruett

    Yes George. Multiculti is not working and to think that it would is crazy. Without shared common values, peaceful cohabitation is difficult. It’s difficult for me to live in California. Lol. Y’all crazy.

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  46. Barry Pruett Avatar
    Barry Pruett

    Omg. What’s wrong with you guys and the illegitimate kid jokes about fat kids? BTW no Vienna green relish on that “dragged through the garden hot dog.” Only foreigners say dragged through the garden.
    On a side note and I need to hear some real commentary. What is causing people to shoot up places? Taking guns from law abiding citizens treats a symptom but not the real problem
    What is the cause?

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