223 responses to “Sandbox – 29nov18”

1. 

   Paul Emery

   01 December 2018

   George
   The off shore drilling bit was just an off the top of my head example of a political strategy component and was not meant to present a position to debate.
   Let me ask you this, in your view do the Republicans in California have any chance to gain a reasonable amount of elected support in the age of Trump?

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   Walt

   01 December 2018

   How many times will Paul cut and paste the same pile of manure?
   Funny,, Paul won’t say who said that. If a “repub” did,, sucking up to a Proggy line of thinking is maybe why he lost. If he/she/it would side with vermin on that, just what else would he/she/it cave to? That’s called a RINO.(Paul likes RINOs)

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   Paul Emery

   01 December 2018

   Walt
   The question George put on the table is what do the Repubs need to do to regain political viability in California. What are your ideas? Here is George’s question.
   “Given the ideological demographics of today’s CA voters, if you step away into neutral territory, what advice re messaging would you then give Republicans?”

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   Bill Tozer

   01 December 2018

   Off thread, but another good piece by former Justice Department prosector Andrew Mc Carthy on the Meuller report.
   https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/12/robert-mueller-plan-trump-russia-investigation-report-not-case/

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5. 

   scenes

   01 December 2018

   “The question George put on the table is what do the Repubs need to do to regain political viability in California. ”
   Become not-Republicans. I’d say that the primary reason that the parties aren’t balanced is demographics, and that changed over time. Short version: The Republicans died or left and were replaced by Democrats from Mexico or Latin America. A smart move by Team Blue.

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6. 

   George Rebane

   01 December 2018

   re scenes 422pm – Yep, that sums it up nicely and what I was referring to with my changed “ideological demographics”. And only the tried and true Democratic message has been shown to work with CA Hispanics, legal and illegal.
   PaulE 335pm – No, not unless Trump starts handing out free money.

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7. 

   Walt

   01 December 2018

   Well Paul, Nevada County used to be a fine place. The your city LIBS moved here, and brought their city problems and ideals with them.
   Liberalism is toxic, a SO toxic, it’s polluted the water table.
   A city LIB hears a gunshot off in the distance, and calls the cops.
   A city LIB sees a person burning some brush in a rain storm and calls the fire dept.
   Now we have city street vermin coming here on a regular basis to try and rob businesses. I can’t wait to hear the news that some city pavement ape gets shot holding up a local business. (Then of course there will be the “He did’t do nuffn’! Prosecute the business owner! He should have robbery insurance! That’s what it’s for!”

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8. 

   Walt

   01 December 2018

   Speaking of free money,,,,
   https://www.foxnews.com/health/california-mans-face-transplant-cost-1-5-million-medical-center-says
   This guy tried to kill himself, screwed up, and lived. Now other people get to pay to fix him.
   So much for personal responsibility.(something a LIB doesn’t believe in)

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9. 

   Walt

   01 December 2018

   A LIBs take on ballot harvesting.
   ““We beat Republicans on the ground, fair and square,” said Katie Merrill, a Democratic consultant deeply involved in November campaigns. “Many of the field plans included (ballot harvesting) as an option to deliver voters or their ballots” to the polls.
   Those efforts involved identifying voters who might support Democratic candidates and ignoring those who wouldn’t.
   In one Orange County household, for example, both the husband and wife were longtime Republicans, said Dale Neugebauer, a veteran Republican consultant. Democratic volunteers came by the house four times, each time asking to speak only with their 18-year-old daughter, a no-party-preference voter, and asking if she wanted them to pick up her signed and completed ballot.”
   Looks like these guys were on to something.
   “Before its passage, a group opposed to the bill wrote: “AB 1921 would allow anybody to walk into an elections office and hand over truckloads of vote by mail envelopes with ballots inside, no questions asked, no verified records kept. It amounts to an open invitation to large-scale vote buying, voter coercion, “granny farming”, and automated forgery. AB 1921 solves no problem that a simple stamp can’t solve.”
   And that’s pretty much what happened.

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10. 

    Don Bessee

    01 December 2018

    Doubtful –
    https://www.wsj.com/articles/america-is-addicted-to-outrage-is-there-a-cure-1543620811
    😉

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11. 

    Don Bessee

    01 December 2018

    You might want to liksten to the Ukrainans right now when they are talking about Russians massing on the boarder.
    Sept 26 2118
    “Experts in Ukraine say this could be the next [Russian] operation from this flank, from the sea, near Mariupol,” Valeriy Chaly, Ukraine’s ambassador to the U.S., said in an August interview at the Ukrainian embassy.
    U.S. and Ukrainian officials say Russian military activity has also been increasing in the Azov Sea, which Ukraine and Russia legally share under treaties signed in 2003.
    https://www.defenseone.com/threats/2018/09/ukraine-building-mosquito-navy-fend-russia-us-help/151606/?oref=d-dontmiss
    😦

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12. 

    Scott O

    01 December 2018

    The issue of the Rs staying relevant by becoming Democrat Friendly is laughable. If it’s important to have a balancing and contrasting party then the Rs have to NOT become Dem-lite or even Dem-like.
    As has been predicted from years ago, the demographics in CA have tilted heavily to the left. It’s free stuff vs freedom and CA has gone for free stuff. That’s what the people want. Other western states are in a similar fix. Tiny physical areas of high density population outweigh the vast rural regions of CA, OR and WA. The widely differing values, interests and demands of the rural vs the urban create a chasm in politics that simply can not be spanned by ‘shared values’ because there are very few to no shared values. There exists now a movement in eastern WA and OR to leave their respective states and join ID to form a large mostly rural state where the citizens can feel they have better representation. No new state would have to be formed and the existing capitol in Boise would simply expand a bit to accommodate the added acreage. Seattle/Olympia and Portland/Salem will never allow it to happen, of course. All the yap from the left about ‘democracy!’ is pure BS. As Paul has admitted, POWER! is what drives the left and baby you better just get out of the way.

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13. 

    Bill Tozer

    01 December 2018

    Oh my. Look at all the carbon they are putting in the air.
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6449407/Fresh-violence-Paris-riot-police-use-tear-gas-batons.html

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14. 

    Don Bessee

    01 December 2018

    This came over on the news feeds and I had to take a second –
    In exchange, China will agree to purchase a “not yet agreed upon, but very substantial” amount of agricultural, energy, industrial, and other product from the U.S., to reduce the trade imbalance between the two countries, White House Press Secretary Sarah Sanders said in the statement.
    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2018/12/01/trump-to-hold-off-on-tariff-hikes-against-china-negotiations-continue/
    The weather outside is frightening ……………..
    😉

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15. 

    ”’M”’

    01 December 2018

    ,,,Bill,,,you mean this???
    While it’s true that undocumented residents living in California can obtain driver’s licenses, the state has not passed any laws that also provide them the right to vote. The New Motor Voter Act was passed in an effort to improve voter turnout, and while this law does automatically register citizens to vote when they obtain or renew their driver’s licenses, that action only applies to citizens who have already attested and/or documented an eligibility to vote.

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16. 

    ”’M”’

    01 December 2018

    ,,,Paul Ryan,,,take a hike
    https://tinyurl.com/ybb7ck9l

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17. 

    Bill Tozer

    01 December 2018

    M @ 9:34 pm
    Exactomondo, my fine fellow. That’s the law. However, my point was that may be the law, but that’s not the practice.
    Everyone who is not regeristered to vote gets a voter regeristered form when asked. And they have to ask. Same as the local welfare department in our county seat.. Because of the lawsuit (after the law?) voter registration forms when turned in at the DMV are filled in as ‘yes’ IF they were turned in with the question Are you a US citizen, yes or no, was left blank. Nevada is real bad for passing out voter registration forms to those with green cards applying for a driver’s license as well. And Mid-west state and a Southern state…….
    No worries, my fine chap. There will be no repercussions. This is California we are talking about, afterall. You have the keys to the kingdom.
    No wonder you guys are so quick on the draw to suppress so many things.
    There is no R comeback in CA. So now is all yours to lie steal, cheat and plunder to make it into some place that exsits somewhere over the rainbow and certainly not like the other places in the US where you have had free reign. This time will be different, oh refuge from the city. And you can welcome all the illegals with big open arms, and save the planet from impeding Doom, not to mention finally getting your hands on all that money that evil corporations and rich people have in their vaults stuffed with cash. It belongs to everybody and you want your cut. It’s only fair. California is dead to red, all blue now for decades. Maybe the bullet train will be done by then and only the business class can afford to ride it.

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18. 

    Bill Tozer

    01 December 2018

    9:43 pm
    I can’t wait to see Paul Ryan out the door. Good riddance. Corker, Flake, Ryan. This is great news indeed. Of course Mitch has never seen a budget he does not like, but that’s another issue. Goodbye, Mr. Ryan. You can’t leave soon enough.
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=b9s-hoDlbL0

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19. 

    Barry Pruett

    02 December 2018

    George. Do you know who Yuri Bezmenov is?

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20. 

    ”’M”’

    02 December 2018

    ,,,here is how Chicken Little Kobach tried to play the voter fraud fear game,,,
    https://www.propublica.org/article/kris-kobach-voter-fraud-kansas-trial

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21. 

    scenes

    02 December 2018

    BillT: “This is California we are talking about, afterall. You have the keys to the kingdom.”
    Well, that’s the thing isn’t it. It’s with no small irony that the Pelline/M/Emery Blue Mob crybullies their feelings on the internet in righteous indignation against the Angry White Male Nazis. In reality they are in the driver’s seat.
    It isn’t like the Bad Orange Man has had much effect at all on their personal lives, aside from some tinkering with the tax code and perhaps a small surcharge on cheap Chinese plastic goods, but you’d think that he burned down their trailerhouses. The state .gov, ooh la la, that’s where the action is, and we’ll be treated with another few thousand good ideas presented as legislation every year.
    tl;dr People who are in charge pretend to be victims. Hilarity ensues. They are angry at conservatives for wearing such short skirts.

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22. 

    scenes

    02 December 2018

    BarryP: “George. Do you know who Yuri Bezmenov is?”
    Just to pipe up, I expect that everyone has seen at least parts of the youtube interviews.
    That sort of thing strikes me as a flawed analysis in that it tends to rotate around the 20th century fixation with economics as a fault line. My own opinion is that the West is succumbing to something different.

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23. 

    George Rebane

    02 December 2018

    BarryP 756am – Nothing more than what one can quickly google about the former KGB defector who predicted a scenario for a future process of US decline. While we may quibble with his particulars, he did repeat what was already known in the early 1980s, that the road to ruin lay through control and destruction of the US education system. That common denominator has been part of every such scenario, including that of Rebane Doctrine which I have dispensed in more detail here on the RR soapbox.

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24. 

    Bill Tozer

    02 December 2018

    Here is pretty fair article that addresses potential voter fraud concerns. Mind you, it’s ok to have concerns and be skeptical when the Matrix is not perfect. Vulnerabilities is the operative word.
    http://thefederalist.com/2018/11/30/paul-ryan-right-californias-election-laws-vulnerable-fraud/
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    Scenes @ 8:20 am
    “In reality they are in the driver’s seat.”
    Yes indeed. The own it in CA. What drives them batty is even if they get 93% of the vote, they have to seek out the 7% to get their mind right. Spoiled children are the most unhappy children. Nothing can ever satisfy them, nothing can ever be enough or good enough.

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25. 

    Walt

    02 December 2018

    Paul thinks, “Rs staying relevant by becoming Democrat Friendly”
    That from a guy who changes religions and ethnic “identification” whenever the mood strikes.
    No Paul,, MOST people are not chameleons.

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26. 

    Todd Juvinall

    02 December 2018

    Some think there are 4 million illegal votes in California. Most R’s won on election night yet all lost after two weeks of democrat “mining”. I have asked the FBI to investigate.

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27. 

    Barry Pruett

    02 December 2018

    And Bezmenov’s subversive theories explain leftists intent to destroy our American culture. Very interesting.

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28. 

    ***M***

    02 December 2018

    MS-13 border breach alert!!!
    The funny thing about xeno-clueless Trump hyping MS-13 is that it is an LA gang!!!
    If they are crossing the border I guess they must be going to Mexico to visit relatives!!!
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/self-identified-ms-13-gang-member-arrested-by-border-patrol-agents-says-he-came-to-us-with-caravan-cbp/ar-BBQebPj?li=BBnbfcL

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29. 

    ***M***

    02 December 2018

    ,,,yes Barry,,,KGB triple agent Bezmenov is doing Putin’s work attempting to create dissent and fear among your ilk.

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30. 

    Todd Juvinall

    02 December 2018

    “M”, oh my. You really have some reading disabilities. MS-13 is El Salvadoran and now other central American countries. Long Island has seen numerous murders and so has Virginia. But you must be drunk again so I’ll give you a break.

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31. 

    Walt

    02 December 2018

    Since “M” is doing his part to downplay MS-13,, is he in partnership to grow his weed? MEX cartels are all over these hills.

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32. 

    Walt

    02 December 2018

    I wonder if the French Gov. still knows if the guillotine is still in the museum, or has it been hauled out, and the blade is being sharpened.
    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2018/12/02/macron-considers-state-emergency-france-worst-civil-unrest-1968/#disqus_thread
    Is Gavin Nuance and all the Proggys in Sac. paying attention?

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33. 

    Bill Tozer

    02 December 2018

    So that’s why some lack the ability to reason.
    “If a customer desires a toy, it should be one of his or her choice without classification by gender. Customers should simply be offered the choice of toy,” the statement reads. “(Example: Would you like a Transformer or a My Little Pony?)”
    “The motion goes on to cite a 2015 study from the Association for Psychological Science, which reported that “boys are more likely to play with toys that develop spatial intelligence and reasoning than girls. These skills are especially important for success in academic and professional domains, including science, technology, engineering, and math (STEM).”
    https://www.foxnews.com/food-drink/michigan-lawmakers-push-fast-food-restaurants-to-stop-offering-gender-based-toys

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34. 

    Todd Juvinall

    02 December 2018

    “Is Paris Burning” was a novel about the question Hitler asked his resident, General. Well it was not but now we see what the French think is the most important thing in their lives

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35. 

    Todd Juvinall

    02 December 2018

    Funny how the left hardly gave Daniel Pearl’s muder much ink but they sure are Kashoggi. I think it is anti semitism by the Boardman’s of the world that drive their hate.

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36. 

    Paul Emery

    02 December 2018

    Todd
    Who are the “some” of your quote that “Some think there are 4 million illegal votes in California. ”
    Keep in mind that the investigation into Trumps claims that he won the popular vote has long ago been discredited and disbanded and that’s with a Republican House and Senate.

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37. 

    Don Bessee

    02 December 2018

    The boss says;
    I don’t see anyone who can beat Trump:’ Bruce Springsteen believes Trump will win a second term in the White House because the Democrats don’t ‘have an obvious, effective presidential candidate’
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6451983/Bruce-Springsteen-believes-Trump-win-second-term-White-House.html
    😉

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38. 

    George Rebane

    02 December 2018

    DonB 255pm – The Dems have a political eternity to discover “an obvious effective presidential candidate” – recall that they did it with Bill Clinton. In a bet against Sprinsteen, consider the probability that the Dems can do it again – it’s at least 50-50.

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39. 

    Don Bessee

    02 December 2018

    Here is one for Gregory –
    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2018/12/01/delingpole-michael-hockey-stick-mann-invites-you-sniff-dirty-linen/
    😉

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40. 

    Walt

    02 December 2018

    I see Paul has refused to see the finer points where the state of Ca.(AKA Progressives in power) has enabled voter, uh,,, mischief.
    And boxes of ballots just keep showing up.(until a LIB wins)

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41. 

    Don Bessee

    02 December 2018

    Build the wall and end this, nuff said –
    Mexican and U.S. authorities arrested a human trafficker from Bangladesh who allegedly operated a smuggling network out of Nuevo Leon, Mexico. The Bangladeshi national is suspected of orchestrating the smuggling of more than 700 women from Asia, Europe, and the Middle East into Texas.
    https://www.breitbart.com/border/2018/12/01/watch-fugitive-bangladeshi-human-trafficker-captured-in-mexican-border-state/
    😉

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42. 

    Paul Emery

    02 December 2018

    Speaking of election results the finals are in for Nevada County showing Audrey Denny winning over LaMalfa by 11%. Dems won practically all State and Federal races.
    Are you saying Walt that there may be some illegality in Nevada County?
    https://mynevadacounty.com/DocumentCenter/View/25657/cumulative-report-7

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43. 

    Walt

    02 December 2018

    Paul. Are you saying LaMalfa didn’t win the election?
    If not, who did? Who is going to D.C.?
    Let’s hear the logic of the pony tail. (we all know what gets extruded from under pony tails)

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    Paul Emery

    02 December 2018

    Just demonstrating the Blueness of Nevada County. LaMalfa is a remnant of the days when Republicans were a viable political party in California. they are down to 7-yes that’s 7 Congressional reps, the lowest in who knows how many years.
    Walt
    Are you saying that there may have been some illegality in Nevada County elections?

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45. 

    Todd Juvinall

    02 December 2018

    Why is it the libs never answer our questions? Is it the questions are too difficult? Or the libs are just stupid? California is definitely a lib state and I listed all their achievements, well some, that have turned this once great state into a shithole. Yet there is crickets. All those millions of illegal aliens voting in those SoCal districts have certainly changed things. Next they will make the Mexican National Anthem the state song.

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46. 

    Paul Emery

    02 December 2018

    Dems won California House by 33%
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_United_States_House_of_Representatives_elections_in_California

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47. 

    Walt

    02 December 2018

    I will make easy for Paul to understand.
    There are laws on the books that make extortion illegal.
    Yet unions are extortionists.
    The state passed a few laws making vote fraud real easy, and extremely difficult to catch.
    Yet you post some story trying to say Repubs were guilty of it.
    Were you saying LIBS got beat at their own game?
    Better lift that ponytail out of the way.

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48. 

    Walt

    02 December 2018

    I BETTER TYPE LOUDER!!!!! PAUL CAN’T SEE TOO GOOD!!!
    DID,,, LaMOLFA,,, WIN,,, OR,, LOSE!!!!!
    IS,,,HE,,,GOING,, TO,, D.C.,, OR NOT?????
    DID,,HE,,OR,, DID,, HE,, NOT,,WIN,, THE ,,E-L-E-C-T-I-O-N ?????????

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49. 

    Todd Juvinall

    02 December 2018

    Republicans won on election night and lost them all after all those ballots were cast by those “miners” on election day and later. Sounds suspicious. I used to think the press would root out the corruption but now are a part of it.

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50. 

    Todd Juvinall

    02 December 2018

    WaltB, the left can’t even stop suing in Georgia or Florida. And they want to rid the country of the Electoral Cllege. Until their brownshirts obtain 100% of everything they will do their best to undermine and cheat to get their way.
    Rules? We don’t need no stinking rules.

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