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George Rebane

‘Climate change’ is one of the unfortunate labels that a nation dominated by dumbth uses to simplify and therefore profoundly misunderstand a very complex process that is made even more confusing through the injection and overarch of political ideologies.  The hoi polloi are salved and saved from all this confounding by being taught that science is a singular absolute, and that ‘science is settled’ on climate change.  There is nothing that will change such minds outside the opinions of their chosen political betters who insist all credible scientists warn us that earth is headed for a thermal catastrophe unless we quickly adopt a set of draconian public policies, enforced by a bigger government, that must needs change our fundamental lifestyles.  Assessments and evidence that contradict such consensus science are loudly sourced to flat-earthers, creationists, and others categorized as intellectual troglodytes.

When the semantic onion is peeled back, climate change is really the short label for preventable man-made global warming (PMGW), about which you shouldn’t bother your little head as long as you concur with the new laws, regulations, taxes, and fees required to ‘prevent climate change’.  Climate change is also the perfect and only storm that must not be wasted on our road to a global Agenda21 (q.v.).  However, the rest of us know that –

1) earth’s climate change is perennial and ongoing;

2) the greenhouse effect is real and greenhouse gases (especially CO2) in earth’s atmosphere are constantly varying, and have done so over broad ranges for eons;

3) earth’s carbon cycle is poorly understood at best;

4) humans do contribute an unknown proportion to atmospheric CO2;

5) the relationship between atmospheric CO2 and ‘earth’s temperature’ is an unknown dynamic process;

6) the temperature of the earth is a number produced by any of many algorithms, and then politically selected for public consumption;

7) our understanding of the dynamics of weather and climate are poor and a work in process, definitely not ready to support public policy making;

8) general circulation models (GCMs), cobbled together to generate and support weather and climate predictions, are many in a field of ongoing research, and are intensely politically mediated for use in public policy making;

9) today’s GCMs barely work for predicting near-term weather, and are useless for predicting long-term climate changes;

10) earth’s weather and climate are large-scale, complex chaotic processes, the long-term predictions of which today are not possible to any degree of usable reliability, and for several technical reasons having to do with physics and computability, such usable reliability may never be possible;

11) the presented evidence for PMGW has been demonstrated to be fraught with fraudulent manipulations and interpretations of historical and topical measurements along with ad hoc estimates, and there is no evidence that the claimed climate change is preventable;

12) the overwhelming ‘thousands’ of the UN’s IPCC scientists, who have neither the expertise nor understanding of things outside their own narrow disciplines correctly, make no such claims, especially when it comes to the workings of any of the GCMs du jour that incorporate their particular inputs for making predictions in the large;

13) all of the above has also been communicated by a body of competent scientists and engineers who are both beholden and not beholden to politically correct government grants.

For some time now the climate change debate has been politically polluted beyond any reason-based redemption or resolution.  Instead, it meticulously mangled by the media before being resolved in the public square through the vicissitudes of an ephemeral and mostly fluid public comprehension, one that expresses itself variously in the nation’s ballot boxes.  Democracy at work indeed.

For these reasons I remain a skeptic about PMGW, and treat all new information as a Bayesian.  To characterize people like me as 'not believing' in climate change immediately extinguishes further discussion and debate.  Such accusations are invariably either agenda driven or simply ignorant.

(The portents are more compelling for a near-term episode of global cooling.  Perhaps the politicians will respond when we witness, say, a couple of years of a crop-killing June frost on the Great Plains.)

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82 responses to “Climate Change Revisited”

  1. Marty Avatar
    Marty

    Rebane 9:59
    And just HOW do you know that EVERY(100%) physicist rejected Einstein’s theories? Supporting evidence please. I find it nearly impossible to believe that EVERY person in any discipline will take a united stance, yet you double down on your allegation by stating that “similar examples abound.” Total horse excrement.

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  2. Walt Avatar

    So what id they are Paul? We still need the water.
    So NID “agrees” with AGW.. Yet you still bitch.

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  3. Russ Avatar
    Russ

    Marty@5:56PM
    A Hundred Authors Against Einstein A collection of various criticisms can be found in the book Hundert Autoren gegen Einstein (A Hundred Authors Against Einstein), published in 1931. It contains very short texts from 28 authors, and excerpts from the publications of another 19 authors. The rest consists of a list that also includes people who only for some time were opposed to relativity. A 100 scientist against relativity.

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  4. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    Hey Paul, here’s an idea. Since you claim you’re a news guy, why don’t you stop bugging us about what NID is thinking and go ask them your darn self?
    How in the world are we supposed to know what they are thinking? It seems that only leftists can read minds. We don’t even pretend to.
    I realize you might have to get up off your knees as you crawl along Spring Street looking at bumper stickers for your next ideological fix, but that’s the way it goes in the news biz.

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  5. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Scott
    They expressed their reason for the dam very clearly at the last weeks meeting. It was because of Global Warming and Climate Change that we needed the dam. Were you there?

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  6. fish Avatar
    fish

    Porn for the “Ponytail of Ignorance”…..
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LFp3H8dnJps
    Monty Python fans will enjoy the link!

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  7. George Rebane Avatar

    Marty 556pm – My remark about the acceptance of relativity was meant to indicate that when Einstein first published special relativity in 1905, there is no record of any physicist, obscure or famous, endorsing that work. Instead, the ‘letters’ of the time were filled with outright rejections to high levels of skepticism. No one stepped forward to say, ‘Holy shit! this is great stuff and will change physics forever.’ In fact, as Russ points out (656pm), even after the appearance general relativity (1915) prominent scientists continued to reject relativity as late as into the 1930s. At one time during WW1 the head of the Max Planck Institute in Berlin wrote Einstein that he was willing to gather the entire physics department together to show how many prominent scientists rejected relativity. This gave rise to Einstein’s famous reply (quoted variously), ‘Relativity is science, there is no need to assemble so many to reject the theory. That can be done by just one person, bring him.’ I’m sorry if my remark gave you unnecessary heartburn.
    Nevertheless Marty, it doesn’t sound as if you’re here to discuss the verity of ‘climate change’ and my rationale for skepticism, but simply to see if you can land a gotcha.

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  8. Marty Avatar
    Marty

    On cue Russ 6:56!
    Are you claiming our esteemed host would deliberately try to confuse the issue by stating 100% of all physicists disagreed with Einstein when in reality they cobbled together a list of 100 scientists? Obfuscation is part and parcel for deniers it seems.

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  9. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    “They expressed their reason for the dam very clearly at the last weeks meeting. It was because of Global Warming and Climate Change that we needed the dam.”
    Obviously not clearly enough for you, Paul.
    Why are you asking us what they are thinking?
    We can tell why we think it’s needed but that’s not necessarily what they think.
    “Were you there?”
    Hilarious.
    If I was there do you think then maybe I’d be close enough to read their minds?

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  10. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    If there were only 100 known physicists on the planet in 1915 and none supported Eintein’s theory, then what is you beef Marty? Rebane is correct.

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  11. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    from Marty – “Total horse excrement.”
    https://www.quora.com/Why-did-Albert-Einstein-win-the-Nobel-Prize
    Even in 1921 after an experiment had supported his Theory Of Relativity, they still wouldn’t give him a Nobel for that theory.
    Maybe some one thought he was correct when he first posited his famous theory (now proven), but you’ll have a hard time finding him.

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  12. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    “Because [science and math] is their short suit, and they are overwhelmingly innumerate. Look at the profound rebuttal in RobertC’s 128pm.”
    GR 208pm
    George, as far as I can tell you and I are the only ones here who have experienced what science and math “is”. It isn’t the stuff in a K-12 lesson plan, or a general science class someone took in a college level trivial arts class to meet a science requirement. That’s science and math appreciation.
    No, science isn’t the recitation of received wisdom from an accepted authority who shall not be questioned and to discuss the matter one does need a minimum command of logic, mathematics and basic science.
    Besides, special relativity wasn’t Einstein’s big theory… it was the work function, really, the start of quantum mechanics, for which he won a Nobel in Physics. That solved real problems and enabled the modern age of electronics.
    The issues of special and general relativity are still being studied, with no refutation of Einstein yet that I’m aware of. Unlike “Climate Change”, real science is always one experiment away from being proved deficient.
    Punchy 531pm
    Don’t be silly old boy. NID has no expertise in physics or its influence on climate and are just following the mob pointing the way. After all, 97% of the world’s scientists can’t be wrong, can they? Besides, why get beat up as “deniers” when accepting the mob’s direction means everyone at the office gets an XMAS bonus? It doesn’t make sense to get beaten up in a game you cannot win and you cannot fight.

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  13. Paul Emery Avatar

    So Gregory if, as you contend, NID is wrong about Climate Change and Global warming being the primary need for the Dam then, by rejecting their reason for the Dam, do you then oppose the it?

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  14. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    Hey did ya hear the blue wave has ebbed?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_the_theory_of_relativity
    😉

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  15. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    Paul at 9:02 – So – are we then to assume you’ll be working for the re-election of Pres Trump?
    Jeez Louise, you are seriously bent.
    Get some professional help, Paul. Really.
    I’ll go to the mat on this. You are some crumbled cookie.

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  16. Paul Emery Avatar

    I profoundly dislike Trump Scott. How did you get that idea?

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  17. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Scott Obermuller | 17 October 2018 at 09:15 PM
    It’s like showing a dog a card trick! He’s just not going to get it!

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  18. Tricky McClean Avatar
    Tricky McClean

    Fish, if I was born above the Pale of Settlement I’d probably have the same wacky ideas as you!

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  19. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Punchy 902pm
    “… do you then oppose the it?”
    I rest my case.

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  20. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Tricky McClean | 17 October 2018 at 10:49 PM
    What language are you speaking Michael?

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  21. Paul Emery Avatar

    Rest your case Gregory? How can you do that when you haven’t presented one. Let me ask you again
    Gregory if, as you contend, NID is wrong about Climate Change and Global warming being the primary need for the Dam then, by rejecting their reason for the Dam, do you then oppose it?

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  22. ***M*** Avatar
    ***M***

    ,,,Marty, Tricky,,,you are dealing with Flat-Earthers here like the physicist deniers in Einstein’s era.

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  23. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Paul Emery does not understand politics. I have explained the NID position yet he refuses to accept that is is even possible. Oh well, FISH, your card trick to a dog point is well taken.
    Flat Earthers? Oh my, “M” really is unhinged.

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  24. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    PPaul, estimate precipitatiom in the applicable watershed over the next century
    a) if CO2 controls global climate
    b) if it doesn’t

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  25. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Flat earther? I’m on the record as an oblate spheroider.

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  26. Paul Emery Avatar

    Lets review the NID “position” Todd that you have presented. Here it is:
    “My guess about the NID strategy was simple. Agree with those that believe in the hoax in the hopes it will get them on their side. ”
    According to you NID is advocating a hoax in order to win over support for the Dam. You are accusing NID of lying to the rate payers to advance their ambitions.

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  27. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Paul, estimate precipitation in the NID watershed over the next century
    a) if CO2 controls global climate
    b) if it doesn’t
    My case is that your rhetoric is empty. Just punching, always hoping to catch someone in the blog equivalent of a perjury trap. Not a serious attempt at a discussion. Have at it, Punchy.

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  28. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    No Paul, not support but mutenes. You really have reading disabilities.

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  29. Marty Avatar
    Marty

    Quick, add Juvinall’s mutenes to the conservative dictionary of meaningless words. It will go to the right of covfefe and amid the splatter of alphabet soup coughed up here from time to time.

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  30. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    That’s OK Marty. You are a moron democrat.

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  31. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Todd Juvinall | 18 October 2018 at 10:59 AM
    The best part of playing Uncle Punchys game is knowing that in his head he’s walking around the court room thinking he’s Matlock!

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  32. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: M | 18 October 2018 at 08:53 AM
    Every time you crack open your word hole you diminish the Scottish intellectual tradition! Somewhere from the great beyond Maxwell is pointing and laughing at your constant pontificating while diapered!

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