[I voted for John McCain in 2008, even though I considered him a weak entry by the Republicans. But he was a man who had fought the good fight for America, and was a military hero in the true (old) sense of the word. While not agreeing with all of his politics – especially that climate change should be a national security issue for the US – but he did hew sufficiently to the conservative views on property, security (e.g. US as world's white hat hegemon), and liberty. His parting shot at President Trump will assure that his funerary plaudits will make political history. Thank you for your service, and RIP Senator McCain. gjr]
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242 responses to “Sandbox – 27aug18”
It’s sort of a shame the McCain decided to take on Trump, both of them got a bit besmirched.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/18/trump-endorses-mccain/
https://www.usatoday.com/story/laurieroberts/2015/07/16/mccain-trump-ward-senate/30258821/
https://www.cnn.com/2015/07/18/politics/donald-trump-john-mccain-war-hero/index.html
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/11/trump-russia-report-opposition-research-john-mccain
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/22/john-mccain-obamacare-repeal-opposition-243036
and finally:
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1033515425336885248
and of course, a charming Team Blue spokesperson puts in their two cents:
https://twitter.com/kathygriffin/status/1033517218481356800
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“While not agreeing with all of his politics, especially that climate change should be a national security issue for the US”. The US military seems to think its a problem. SEC. of Defense James Mattis had the following to say about the subject..
“The effects of a changing climate—such as increased maritime access to the Arctic, rising sea levels, desertification, among others—impact our security situation.”
a changing climate has an effect “on our threat assessments, resources, and readiness.”
A defense dept. report had this to say about climate change: “Our warfighters require bases from which to deploy, on which to train, or to live when they are not deployed. If extreme weather makes our critical facilities unusable or necessitate costly or manpower-intensive work-arounds, that is an unacceptable impact,”
You can disagree all you want George, but that won’t change the reality of the situation. The situation is that you are wrong about climate change and that skews your thinking in numerous ways including your preposterous disagreement with the facts as they relate to national security.
As for McCain’s parting shot, I assume you are referring to trump not being invited to the funeral, would you invite some chicken hawk asshole who purposely avoided military service and criticized you for being a tortured prisoner of war? I don’t think McCain did that to make history but rather to make a point. Your continued defense of the indefensible is becoming quite trite.
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Posted by: Robert Cross | 27 August 2018 at 10:00 AM
…….quick……to the fainting couch!
You might actually be my favorite bobby …….even more than dugsKKKi who is annoying but really just trolling. Your vaporously neurotic exclamations really make my day! The Frank Burns of RR’s……if you will!
Hat tip!
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from another fear-monger:
“You can disagree all you want George, but that won’t change the reality of the situation. The situation is that you are wrong about climate change and that skews your thinking in numerous ways including your preposterous disagreement with the facts as they relate to national security.”
The climate is always changing. The seas have been rising for quite a while. Our ‘carbon footprint’ has very little to do with it. The predictions made by the climate alarmists have all been proven wrong.
Our national security lies mainly in having a unified populace following the Constitution and wanting to provide our communities and our nation with a strong work ethic and sense of responsibility to others rather than a sense of ‘gimme my rights’ (free stuff).
If we don’t accomplish that – you can kiss our national security goodbye.
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Trump has descended into new lows this week. He lauded multi felon Manifort as a “brave man” and not one word applauding John McCain for being an American hero.
Oh yeah, to quote Trump “He’s not a war hero. He’s a war hero because he was captured. I like people that weren’t captured.”
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Looks like Paul Mainfort was a partner of a man named Davis who was McCains Campaign manager in 2000 and 2008. Both were involved with a Ukranian with ties to Russia and Putin.
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Little Davey 10:16 — is that all you got? Try addressing the issues instead of blabbering nonsense in a feeble attempt to intimidate people with whom you disagree, which says, in essence, “duh, Polly want a cracker?” But hey, if it puts a smile on your face as your responses do on mine, then what the heck, it’s all good.
Scotty O’s — Do you have anything to say except to repeat extreme right wing talking points? I have heard all that BS again and again.. So you know more and have better information than our military with regard to climate change? Let’s see, who has more to lose if they get this one wrong.. the US Military or Scotty O? I would think they have researched the issues far beyond Fox News, Breitbart, and Heritage.
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Posted by: Paul Emery | 27 August 2018 at 10:53 AM
Are you trying to say that you don’t care for President Trump Punch?
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Winning –
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/nafta-another-win-for-jared-kushner
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Posted by: Robert Cross | 27 August 2018 at 11:24 AM
Little Davey 10:16 — is that all you got? Try addressing the issues instead of blabbering nonsense in a feeble attempt to intimidate people with whom you disagree……
If you consider that intimidation we probably shouldn’t discuss issues…it would probably be too much for you.
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@ 11:01 am
You mean this? Boy, McCain’s campaign manager was colluding with the Russians, and McCain was at the meetings. Nothing to see here.
“Before there was Trump, there were concerns about some of the same people being around McCain about 10 years ago, and we alerted his team to those concerns and they appeared to take some defensive action,” according to a U.S. official, who was involved a decade ago and remains in the counterintelligence world. The official spoke only on condition of anonymity.
In fact, McCain’s drama involved the same foreign lobbyist Paul Manafort; one of the same Russian oligarchs, Oleg Deripaska; the same Russian diplomat, Sergey Kislyak, and the same wily Russian leader, Vladimir Putin, that now dominate the current Trump controversy.”
https://www.circa.com/story/2017/06/21/heres-the-russia-influence-controversy-that-john-mccain-doesnt-want-you-to-know-about
Or did you mean this?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/24/AR2008012403383_3.html?sid=ST2008012500226
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Just noting what a disgusting man he is by illustrating examples of his behavior. What exactly was Trump referring to about manifold being a “brave man”? that was after he became a convicted crook.
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Posted by: Paul Emery | 27 August 2018 at 12:14 PM
So it is your contention that the President is a disgusting human being?
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Oooopsi! Sounds like the po’ ol’ faknewsman needs to unload all that popcorn he has been hoarding –
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/08/27/cohen-lawyer-backpedals-on-trump-russia-claims-as-bombshell-reports-called-into-question.html
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Fish
Yep When you applaud a felon as being brave right after being convicted of 8 felonies and at the same time ignore commending an American hero upon his death you’re pretty disgusting.
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re: Paul Emery@12:14PM
“Disgusting man”
I like that kind of phrasing. It’s sort of like the now common parlance of “vile” that appears to be the party line when referring to 1/2 of your ‘fellow’ Americans.
Honestly (and at the risk of invoking Godwin’s Law), it reads rather like the language used in Der Stürmer. It’s the kind of language you used when winding up for something fierce.
If Team Blue wants to pull the trigger, I’d suggest they just go for it.
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Posted by: Don Bessee | 27 August 2018 at 12:39 PM
Backpedaling?
Yeah that happens when you hire a PR flack from the Clinton era instead of a real attorney!
(Don….I’m not intimidating you or making you nervous am I? I just want to make sure…..apparently Roberta thinks I’m intimidating when I discuss issues! Just wanted to make sure you were OK!)
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Veterans response to Trumps snub of McCain
“AMVETS, one of the country’s largest veterans organizations, blasted President Donald Trump on Monday over his lackluster response to the recent death of Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.).
The organization, also known as American Veterans, tweeted that it was “deeply disappointed in the lack of traditional and appropriate respect in the White House’s reaction” to the decorated Vietnam veteran’s death.
“AMVETS is calling on the White House to show appropriate respect for the passing of Sen. McCain,” AMVETS tweeted. “He was a war hero, twice a presidential contender, and a national treasure who devoted his entire adult life to protecting and improving the American way of life.”
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/amvets-trump-mccain-death_us_5b840313e4b03485860253fd
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Posted by: Paul Emery | 27 August 2018 at 12:47 PM
Are you trying to say that someone who runs afoul of the incredibly arcane tax code is a “disgusting man/woman”?
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Posted by: Paul Emery | 27 August 2018 at 12:51 PM
Yes……a great man indeed……except when he was Hitler?
When was that Punch?
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Don’t know what you’re talking about Fish. Details would be appreciated.
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Dr. Rebane
Re: John McCain: Good way to put it in your Sanbox Post. I voted for McCain as well and have been his harshest critic here. Not as hard as I have (and will continue to be) on Drunk Teddy, but it was Senator McCain’s policy I disagreed with. In the last few years, John was 100% into having the US forging full steam ahead into every conceivable conflict on the planet, pushing hard for US involvement sacrificing our blood and treasure at the drop of a hat. And he was all in open borders at the end. Whether it was his brain cancer or not, I have not a clue.
He took a risk by choosing Sarah Palin as his VP and, to be truthful, he never got over his grudge with George W. Bush for their bitter battle for the nomination. He amassed wealth and power, was part of the Keating Five scandal, but survived it all. His last years in office he was praising Hillary and Kerry and hanging out with them. Maverick. He was on the long list for Gore’s VP pick for short awhile and Lieberman was on McCain’s short list in 2008. Again, Maverick.
I respect the warrior, not the statesman. He was shot down and spent 5 years in the Hanoi Hilton as they broke his bones and tortured him in the cage while Jane Fonda and her band of scumbags were signing songs to North Vietmanese soldiers and the communist leaders outside in Hanoi.
He derided the Tea Party and called Christians intolerant. Turncoat or maverick? That was politics. He called them as he saw them. It does not matter now. To repeat. I respect the warrior, not the statesman. Nobody can ever take that away from him. He went from a hard core Republican to a New World Order George Soros Globalist.
In the overall analyst, he was a good father and a good man. And that is all that really matters. That is McCain’s true legacy. If anyone of you have been been with the family of good men in their last hours at Hopice or the like and gathered up the belongings because the grieving family could not face the task at that hour, all there is is a few pair of socks, underwear, and a few personal items that fit in a small suitcase….and family. Maybe a couple of true close friends if the man was lucky. That’s all any of us can hope.for.
“A Father’s true legacy is the words he spoke to his children.”
But, if one wants to take this opportunity to bash Trump, be my guest. I know they cannot not take this opportunity to bash Trump. It just shows the power of TAD and the blindness of hate. And how politics has taken over places where it does not belong.
Todd Juvinall
RIP to a great American!
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Steven R Willer
Oh REALLY???? “Trump attacks McCain: ‘I like people who weren’t captured”.
What a joke and complete hypocrite you are Todd!
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Todd Juvinall
Steven R Willer Actually you just showed what a utter scumbag you are punk.
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Have to agree with Todd. RIP, John McCain.
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Fish
Are you saying someone who was arrested, had his bail revoked for contacting potential witnesses, stood trial and was convicted of 8 felonies is a “brave” man?
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Posted by: Paul Emery | 27 August 2018 at 01:04 PM
You should do some research and determine just when the left was calling McCain “Hitler” on a regular basis. It’s what journalists do.
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Here’s the sort of story that got published in 2008 when it was just McCain and Obama fighting for the top job…
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1024927/The-wife-John-McCain-callously-left-behind.html
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Some may recall that the Pentagon’s statement of climate change being a national security issue was a political statement made by Obama appointed flacks on the JCS that replaced the professionals who resigned/retired in droves after the word came down that if you want to maintain military spending with this administration, you had better genuflect to global warming and tie it to national security – everything had to fit the ongoing globalist narrative. His JCS was more than happy to comply.
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I recall when Jim Thorpe had to return his Olympic Medals as it was determined he took money in a semi-pro baseball league. He was convicted and found guilty. Does that mean we cannot praise him Paul Emery?
Paul Emery trshed Sarah Palin hundreds of times in these pages and elsewhere when her only problem was she was a conservative woman governor. Shame on you Paul Emery. You are a misogynist and a fake newsman.
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Per Scenes and Fish….Lanny Davis backpedals? Say it not true. How totally unpredictable!
Well, that’s a no brainer. Lanny Davis, after parading Cohen around like his circus animal on his lease and spouting any words he chooses to puts in Cohen’s mouth in front of the media, now is walking it back? Yep. When you have the press in your pocket, all that matters is the seriousness of the charges, not the substance, lol.
“Yesterday, in the walk back of the century. Davis admitted his client, Michael Cohen lied somewhere along the twisted road of the special counsel…..
“Davis told The Washington Post that he cannot confirm media reports that Cohen is prepared to tell special counsel Robert S. Mueller III that Trump had advance knowledge of the 2016 Trump Tower meeting, where Donald Trump Jr. expected to receive damaging information about Clinton from a Russian lawyer.”
Caution: fakenews!!!
https://us4trump.com/2018/08/27/cohen-lawyers-latest-backpeddle-bonanza-helps-prove-trumps-innocence/
Reminds me of watching a clip the other day of Brennan bashing Trump on Anderson Cooper and it went on and on.. Finally Anderson asked Brennan if there is any evidence he has seen that dirty rotten Trump collluded with the Russians, Brennan answered, “No”. Instanteously, they cut to commercial, end of interview. ROFLMAO. No is a complete statement. Yep, it’s the seriousness of the charges, not the evidence.
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,,,white house is now the nut house!!!
https://bit.ly/2od6Swx
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BillT referring to John McCain “He amassed wealth and power, was part of the Keating Five scandal, but survived it all.”
I guess so, in the sense that John Kerry did it. And there is that unfortunate tie to Don Bolles. Honestly, I don’t think you can own a large company without a certain amount of criminality in the woodshed, so all is forgiven.
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What until the lamestream media and their popinjays find out that Trump CFO Allen Weisselberg was given limited immunity….to testify against Cohen and catch Cohen in a lie, not Trump. Its a game changer. Yawn.
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Posted by: “M” | 27 August 2018 at 01:56 PM
Yeah dugsKKKi you really oughta run a candidate who can beat Trump in 2020.
Just sayin……
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Gotta love youtube, at least for now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnTMTHZoI7Q
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I forgot to mention, my youtube video is a Boer talking about SA & Trump.
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Well I didn’t call him a “Hitler” Fish so it doesn’t involve me. McCain had a real chance in “08 but the shrill Right force fed Palin on him for VP to appease the hungry Tea Party masses and she was a total disaster and in no way qualified to be President to that was the end of that. He was also the front runner in 2000 till Carl Rove and the Neo Cons sabotaged his campaign
Here’s a look back:
“An unidentified party began a semi-underground smear campaign against McCain, delivered by push polls, faxes, e-mails, flyers, audience plants, and the like.[14][54] These claimed most famously that he had fathered a black child out of wedlock (the McCain’ dark-skinned daughter Bridget was adopted from Bangladesh; this misrepresentation was thought to be an especially effective slur in a Deep South state where race was still central[49]), but also that his wife Cindy was a drug addict, that he was a homosexual, and that he was a “Manchurian Candidate” traitor or mentally unstable from his North Vietnam POW days”
this was orchestrated by Carl Rove and successfully stopped his momentum and he lost in south Carolina.
I was considering supporting McCain in 2000 but th Neo Cons pushed Bush and the rest is history. Massive economic collapse, 9/11 which could have been avoided and two unfunded wars ,Iraq and Afghanistan, which is still going on today.
https://www.thenation.com/article/dirty-tricks-south-carolina-and-john-mccain/
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/05/why-karl-rove-uses-dirty-tricks-they-work/370811/
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“9/11 which could have been avoided”
punchy 254pm
Do tell. It could have been avoided? Yes, I suppose had President Clinton accepted the gift of a live Osama Bin Laden when offered by the Saudis, but besides that?
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“when offered by the Sudan”, not the Saudis. Please excuse the error.
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Paul dissing Palin again. She would have done well.
A fine Gov. which the LIBS like Paul hated her for. Not to mention a fine looking woman.
What’s your bitch Paul? to Christian for you? Didn’t like her Alaskan accent? Too much of a hunter for your PETA side?
Since Paul is SO knowledgeable,, HE can tell us why she had to leave office. The REAL reason Paul,, not something you pull out of your South poll.
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The po’ ol’ fakenewsman is so deep into TDS that is now making the case that Rove/Bush were way worse than Trump to McCain.
😉
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Ya baby!
Freeland is expected to travel to Washington for talks on Tuesday, spokesman Adam Austen said.
Mexican Foreign Minister Luis Videgaray told a news conference in Washington that if Canada and the United States do not reach an agreement on NAFTA, “we already know that there will still be a deal between Mexico and the United States.”
Officials said they hope Canada will agree to the terms by Friday, when the White House plans to formally notify Congress that Trump will sign the deal in 90 days. Congress has to approve it.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-trade-nafta/u-s-mexico-reach-nafta-deal-talks-with-canada-to-start-immediately-idUSKCN1LC1E7
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YUGE!
Trump replaces NAFTA and triumphs — New trade deal with Mexico is YUGE win for both countries
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2018/08/27/trump-replaces-nafta-and-triumphs-new-trade-deal-with-mexico-is-yuge-win-for-both-countries.html
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Walt
Palin Good governor? She was a no-show only lasted two years and quit. What’s good about that. She was a quitter. Couldn’t take a little stress and bailed
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…”this was orchestrated by Carl Rove and successfully stopped his momentum and he lost in south Carolina.” And Trump has been boinking Ivanka. Hey, Ivanka starts off with “Ivan” in her name. That’s Russian, right?
Oh, it’s just politics. And they call FOTUS a whore and then couldn’t figure out why she would prefer to stay in NY and raise her son in quiet. One commentator here spent half a day venting righteous outrage because the shoes Melania wore as she boarded a plane, culminating with the inspiring words of LBJ. Must be guilt by association.
Some attritibe the “suicide” of Andy Jackson’s wife directly to the stories widely circulated (and published) about her being a divorcee and running a house of ill repute. Harlot! Lady of the night.
“A being so gentle and so virtuous, slander might wound but could not dishonor.” Inscription on Rachel Jackson’s tombstone.
https://thehermitage.com/learn/andrew-jackson/family/rachel/
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Here is another windmill to tilt at ya po’ ol’ fakenewsman; huff n puff is a McCain basher. Go forth young man and smite them with your mighty wit.
But for some of us, McCain’s American hero narrative has long fallen flat. Our sentiments, however, are not particularly welcome in the current dialogue. Any attempt to interrupt the chorus of acclaim with reminders of his many misdeeds has been met with swift condemnation. Those naming McCain’s harms have been accused of attacking the senator and the dignity of his family ― as if telling the full, truthful story of his life and career were an insult to the senator and his loved ones. Such moments are part of a longstanding tradition in the United States: At death’s door and beyond, all statesmen are good statesmen. We have seen similar erasures of past sins when former Presidents Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan made their final exits, and we will likely see still more of it when war criminals like Henry Kissinger and ex-President George W. Bush shuffle off this mortal coil.
Kelly Hayes,HuffPos
https://www.yahoo.com/news/john-mccain-apos-victims-part-160239304.html
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So Don do you believe Manifort should be applauded for his “bravery”?
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Walt. Good call. We know why she quit. She couldn’t walk down the street with a Nike sweatshirt on without getting sued for breaking the law because the governor was promoting the Nike label. She could’t turn around without being sued and harassed and her slut daughter getting knocked up and……llike Flynn or Alaska Governor Ted Stevens.
You know tthey threatened to prosecute Flynn’s son and throw the book at him. He already ran out of money, all his money defending himself and they were coming after his son if hedid not play ball. He plead to one count of lying to the FBI and they keep pushing back his sentencing date, from June, to July, to August, and now Sept. in the meantime, Flynn can’t collect his pension, do his time, and move on with his life.
How come all these folks have not committed a crime until they talk to the FBI? Martha Steward, Scotter Libby, Flynn…never charged with the crime they accused them of in the press or the unhinged on these boards.
Oh, Sarah was well aware what her life would be like in Alaska. She saw what they did to Ted Stevens. And Ted was found guilty on 8 counts, until later the Judge dismissed all convictions….,but it was too late, he lost re-election, and died in a plane crash. It’s who they are.
“For some, the Stevens case represents a government entity that had developed a “total indifference to ethics.”
“This has built up over the years—the people at [the Justice Department] have come to believe that they are immune, that nobody can touch them, and that judges will ignore their prosecutorial misconduct,”
https://www.dcbar.org/bar-resources/publications/washington-lawyer/articles/october-2009-ted-stevens.cfm
Sound familiar? Can’t blame Sarah Paline one bit
“The case hinged on whether Stevens lied on his Senate disclosure forms about work he’d gotten done to his cabin in Girdwood, a ski town south of Anchorage, Alaska’s largest city. Some of that work had been done by his friend Bill Allen, the head of VECO Corp., then the largest oilfield services company in the state.”
https://www.adn.com/alaska-news/article/why-lead-fbi-agent-botched-ted-stevens-case-still-employed/2012/06/07/
Oh, they suspended two prosecutors. What a wrist slap they give themselves.
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“was considering supporting McCain in 2000 but th Neo Cons pushed Bush and the rest is history.
The Neo-cons pushed out the neo-cons. Hmmm. There are 100 Senators, but only one President. Ain’t for the faint of heart, for sure.
Scenes (mostly)
1) The neo-cons. That is what is going on in the R Party verses the Trumpsters. Not to say there are no war hawks around, or ‘defense first and foremost’ folks like me. The neo-cons like McCain and Lindsey Grahmcracker. And maybe Bolton. McCain led the Gang of 8 to the end. What I can’t figure out is why the neo-cons are open borders folks to a tee. Maybe it’s the international world view that makes them new-cons, “patriots” and open border Globalists all rolled into one.
2). Are no mistake about it. McCain is no victim, he threw some hard nasty punches…during his time as Statesman. Trump did not start it “heros don’t get captured” blow to John’s solar plexes. No, that was in response to McCain’s dumping on us Deplorables. Dissing Trumps followers. A fatal flaw for anyone to do that. Trump has our back, can’t say the same for the Gang of 8 or any single person or entity on the Leftist side of the street.
McCain-Feingold has been partially dismantled, as it should be. I always opposed it on Constitutional grounds. Time has proven those in opposition to the bill on Constitutional grounds correct.
Hate to sound crass, but we got to wait a week before the temp Senator is appointed and vote on the SCOTUS nominanee. Perfect timing. Heck, McCain, rest his soul, has not shown up in DC since December. K will be confirmed.
A side note. Been looking at Gandhi. Inclusive, moral, and first and foremost, he was always an Indian Nationalist. India first.
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She was a quilter and an opportunist no matter how you put it,
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from Bobby Who’s Cross at 11:24 – “Do you have anything to say except to repeat extreme right wing talking points? I have heard all that BS again and again.. So you know more and have better information than our military with regard to climate change?”
I see these are ‘extreme’ right wing talking points, not just right wing.
Well.
All that ‘BS’ is from your side, moron.
Remember the ‘end of snow’? I do. No more snow. “Our grandchildren will never know what snow is like” wailed the climate fear-mongers.
Oh – excuse me, ‘the experts’.
Since then the north east has been choking on snow.
And how about the water from the ocean flooding New York City?
https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/scott-whitlock/2015/06/12/flashback-abcs-08-prediction-nyc-under-water-climate-change-june
I could go on and on, Bobby. It was your side that made all of these stupid predictions that failed.
But reminding you of it is swiped aside as ‘extreme right wing talking points’.
Excuse me, Bobby – I was alive when those predictions were made and I remember them. They aren’t ‘talking points’. They’re sad jokes of a failed climate hysteria campaign carried out in part by people who openly declare they don’t even care about the science of it. They just want to get rid of capitalism.
China openly plans to increase it’s carbon footprint and the leftwing nuts in this country stand up and applaud them as eco-warriors. Amazing.
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See? Facts mean jack shit to Paul.
How many lawsuits can you afford to fight Paul? Frivolous litigation against a lawmaker in Alaska comes out of one’s own pocket. The state doesn’t supply the lawyer. That’s the game you LIB bastards play. Fore them out of office, or into BK.
And all you can follow up with is “quitter”.
She would have done better than that POS you voted for instead.
Sara was the best part of that ticket. McCain got buttsore real fast. She upstaged him, and the people liker her better than him.
But we got a affirmative action know nothing who only knew how to vote “present”… That’s what YOU voted for.
You just keep that hate going Paul.. Now go tear down some monument with your ANTIFA brethren.
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