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George Rebane

Recently a three-judge panel of the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that the “U.S. Constitution’s Second Amendment guarantees a right to openly carry a gun in public for self-defense, finding that Hawaii overstepped its authority to regulate firearms possession outside the home.” (more here)

This ruling brought up questions on how we Californians, especially those with Concealed Carry Weapon permits, will be impacted.  Since CCW permits are issued by county sheriffs, in a private communication I asked our Nevada County Sheriff Keith Royal –

  1. Will current non-CCW permit holders in California now have open-carry included in their 2nd Amendment rights?
  2. What is the impact of the present rulings on existing Nevada County CCW policy?
  3. Will California’s sheriffs come out with one unified coherent interpretation of how this impacts our 2nd Amendment rights, or will we wind up with county-specific interpretations that may or not arbitrarily criminalize the unwary who cross county boundaries, or will everyone remain silent on the matter and let Californians just take chances sorting it out by themselves (sort of like the MJ situation between feds, state, and counties)?

With Sheriff Royal’s permission I share his response with our readers –

“Our current laws stay in effect until a court of competent jurisdiction finds the laws of the State unconstitutional or the laws are changed by the legislature.  Our State Sheriff’s attorney has advised us that the case was remanded back to the trial court to proceed.  Chances are that the case will again end up back before the 9th Circuit for an “en banc” panel review, and based on the outcome, may invalidate California’s current laws and/or then be appealed to the US Supreme Court for final determination.  We have been advised things remain status quo at this time.  Stand by to stand by. … As an FYI, the 9th indicated that the 2nd Amendment does not pertain to or cover CCW’s.  We’ll just (have) to wait to see how it all works out.”

Due to the sheriff’s last observation about the 2A and CCWs, I offered that “it does cause me a bit of puzzlement why the 9th indicated that the 2A doesn’t pertain to cover CCWs.  CCW permit holders are the most law-abiding people in the land according to FBI crime stats.  Sworn LE officers have a very low crime rate, but one that is still SIX times higher than that of CCW holders, and the 2A doesn’t cover (them)?”  Sheriff Royal’s response to this was - 

“Interestingly, the three judge panel were all repub. appointees. I think when this issue comes back to the 9th, they’ll render an opposing decision because the majority of that court is liberal leaning thus forcing the issue to the Supreme Court. In light of the soon to be composition of the Supreme court, you may see the ultimate decision be supportive of open carry.”

So, per Sheriff Royal’s counsel, the open carry and CCW provisions will remain unchanged, and it will be business as usual as we “stand by to stand by.”  Question asked and answered.

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3 responses to “The Ninth Circuit Court on CCW and Open Carry”

  1. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

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  2. George Rebane Avatar

    DonB 1236pm – Is there a CCW or 2A connection in there somewhere?

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  3. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    As I understand the court ruling, the larger picture is the right to bear arms for personal protection (as argued before the court) means the right to bear arms outside of one’s abode. In public. I took the ruling to be more focused on open carry than concealed carry. In this specific case, the litigate’s county has not issued and permit for open carry in 20 years, thus limiting the man’s right to defend himself to inside his domicile. Bear arms means bearing arms. Now, how that affects each jurisdiction remains to be seen. Until someone takes CA to court or the ruling is appealed, probably most will take Sheriff Royal’s position of nothing changes here in Nevada County.

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