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Accept the fact that some days you’re the pigeon and some days you’re the statue.

George Rebane

As these pages attest, I am not a blinded supporter of all things Trump.  I especially take exceptions to his tweet-in-the-mouth MO with which he often snatches another debilitating defeat from the jaws of victory.  But I did vote for him for two reasons – 1) he promised to try things different from the SOS that has become the Washington quagmire (cf Einstein’s dictum), and 2) given the horrible alternative, he was the clear better choice.

Since his ‘ascension’ into office, President Trump has accomplished many salutary objectives to America’s benefit, and most certainly to the benefit of our citizens.  Now all of his actions have not been uniformly successful.  The biggest question mark I have relates to his particular initiatives on trade and tariffs.  As we have gone back and forth on this, I don’t understand how the endgame will be to our benefit from such a broad brush application of tariff increases in order to make the trade-game ‘level and fair’  (itself a dubious objective).

But my training in science teaches me to look through the surrounding chaff and judge the policy on its delivered effects, and in my ignorance not to join some hysterical consensual cohort.  I have no problem in pre-judging policies the effects of which (i.e. transfer function) I do understand and therefore can reasonably predict.  The years of RR attest to my doing so, and readers are always invited to judge and comment on my performance.

So now we come to the cacophony of the collectivists that echoes daily across the land – President Trump stole his election through a treasonous conspiracy with the Russians.  And to pile on, he confirms this through his daily genuflections in front of what the Left points out is nothing less than the Russian masterpiece titled The Adoration of The Putin.  The Democratic base, especially the lamestream media and their alt-Left or now established socialist wing, laps up this narrative lock, stock, and barrel.

Michael Anton, Hillsdale College lecturer and former Trump national security adviser, takes a different view on Trump’s reaction to the treason charges and the overall campaign to unseat him that is much in line with Rebane Doctrine.  In the 20jul18 WSJ piece ‘Why Trump’s Detractor’s Cry Treason’, Mr Anton argues that our own federal government materially meddled much more against Trump in the 2016 election than ever could or did the Russian government, even with Putin’s goading.

There is more public evidence of American meddling—politicized leaks, gaming a criminal investigation, surveillance of campaign associates, and strings of biased messages by officials—than of Russian. There may be piles of secret evidence of the latter. If so, why not make more of it public? Especially since, as we have been told, acknowledging Russian interference is the patriotic imperative of our time. …

Few of the president’s opponents actually say that Russia swung him the election. But that’s clearly what they insinuate and want people to believe. Mr. Trump understands this and is frustrated by it. Can you blame him?

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110 responses to “Trump’s Treason?”

  1. rl crabb Avatar

    Since we’re stuck in an endless cycle of whataboutisms, there are plenty of cases of high crimes that have gone unpunished just in recent memory. Hank Kissinger is regarded with the same esteem as Mao or Stalin in parts of the world where his policies led to the death of thousands. Halliburton profited nicely from the phony war instigated by faulty U.S. intelligence and Dick Cheney, and today both walk free as birds unless they happen to land in the wrong country.
    The Clintons have managed to avoid jail, but not for lack of effort by countless scribes and prosecutors. They will probably remain that way, even if Scott O. would prefer the Cromwell treatment. Would you rather have their heads on pikes in front of the capitol, or on the ground where you could kick them around when the mood strikes you?
    The lost emails will no doubt remain in that nether region they share with Trump’s tax returns and Obama’s “real” birth certificate.
    Hey, you won the election, get over it.

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  2. scenes Avatar
    scenes

    rlcrabb: “Halliburton profited nicely”
    It’s funny what a meme that became through the years. Hey, HAL is a big company and if anyone ever bothered to look at their annual reports, they would have seen that contracting for the military was not such a big deal for them. I’m afraid it’s like the ‘Reagan put all the crazy people on the street’ theory. It has a small bit of reality, a whole bunch of hyperbole, but if you say it often enough it becomes an explanatory truth.
    The Clintons struck me as a pretty pure play in greedy ambition, but compared to an LBJ all of these modern politicians are pikers. The active participation in .gov law enforcement and intelligence against a sitting President strikes me as new (with the possible tragic exception of JFK), but it’s hard to tell what it is based on.
    It’s probably better to ask if the US is better off dealing with the Russians or going to war with them (proxy or otherwise), wars in which we have no national interest. Is the US better off with open borders or enforcement of same. Are we better off running huge trade deficits or not. Are we better off as a country with transsexuals in the military. Are we better off by dropping the forced medical insurance, etc.
    Basing a political party on disliking somebody and hounding his fans seems like a pretty limiting move although I can see the joy in it.

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  3. scenes Avatar
    scenes

    quoted by Gregory:
    “As Daniel Greenfield noted at Frontpage magazine Tuesday, in succeeding years, Obama capitulated to Putin on anti-missile defense systems in Poland and the Czech Republic, on Ukraine, Georgia and Crimea. Obama gave Putin free rein in Syria and supported Russia’s alliance with Iran on its nuclear program and its efforts to save the Assad regime.”
    From where I sit, the Russians had every right to object to forward basing of air systems on their border, especially given the history of the area and the deal struck with German reunification. Is Syria better off without an Assad? Probably not. In any case, once again the Russians have skin in the game due to history (their navy basing if nothing else) and proximity to the country.
    It would be interesting to hear what these writers think is the US strategic interest in Syria or Poland. World hegemony? Do they have relatives there? Where’s the beef?

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  4. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    “They will probably remain that way, even if Scott O. would prefer the Cromwell treatment. Would you rather have their heads on pikes in front of the capitol, or on the ground where you could kick them around when the mood strikes you?
    The lost emails will no doubt remain in that nether region they share with Trump’s tax returns and Obama’s “real” birth certificate.”
    Ah – there’s goes the Crabby – right to the extreme. Did I say or indicate anything of the kind? No – you’re fabricating things out of thin air.
    I would prefer an honest investigation. The emails were not ‘lost’. The hard drives were deliberately wiped clean or destroyed. The server was cleaned out before the govt could get it’s hands on it. Trump’s tax returns are not lost either. They were submitted to the IRS and you know they got run over with the finest comb the IRS has. Trump has extensive business holdings and opening them up to the public would allow his competitors to see a lot of his business strategy. They are confidential and there is no law or rule for him to release them. There is zero indication from the IRS that any law was broken. To equate criminal activity by the Obama admin and the IRS and Hillary with Trump keeping his return confidential shows how desperate the Trump haters are.
    They hardly ‘live in my head’. Bob asked why these charges are brought up whenever the Trump investigation is raised and I was pointing out why. The Trump investigation is a witch hunt based on absolutely nothing but an attempt by the Dems to deflect from their own obvious criminal activity. Bob loves to claim he is middle of the road, but spends most of his time repeating Dem talking points.

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  5. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Oh Crabbman
    Kissinger? The guy who won the The Nobel Peach Prize along with Yassar Arafat, Al Gore, and Obama? Kissenger? Come on, what difference, at this point, does it matter?
    Obama’s real birth certificate? Surely you jest. Obama never had a birth certificate. Very common in those shithole countries where Barrack Hussein is from. They all have AIDS and sit around in their huts.
    And Trump’s tax returns are missing? What In the Sam Hill are you talking about?? They never went missing. They are exactly right where they should be, and always have been, duh. Boy, you need to get up with the times.
    Well, Mr. Crabb, at least you done got the faulty US intelligence part right. Always a silver lining. Faulty on purpose, that is, to commit treason against the President and Government Of the People of these here United States of America. There ain’t no red States, ain’t no blue States, just the Deep State.
    I call on you, my brother from another mother, to join with me and rid our land of this bushwaching low life scourge that has tried to overthrow the results of the election. I call on you, my sista from another mista, to stand with me to take back our country, the greatest country on Earth, from the treasonous bastards and sumbitches and let’s make America Great Again!! Together we can. Yes we can.
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DDoT43BlJUo
    Oh, those lost e-mails are lost no more. Cross that one off the list. Comey’s clown boner Peter Strzok had them, but he did not read them. He smoked, but never inhaled. Hang ‘em high. String them up! Let them swing from the highest tree and let freedom ring!
    Unfortunately for us, the Supreme Court ruled that castration even for those total low life types types is the cruelest cut of all and prohibited the practice because of some misguided erroneous interpretation of “cruel and unusual punishment.” That sucks. At least SCOTUS did say letting them hang from the highest tree or facing the firing squad is Constitutional.
    No worries about the cruelest cut of all, though. First, Hillary don’t got no nut sack to slice off….or so they say. Neither does Obama. Can’t lose what you never had, I reckon. As Obama and Bubba consoled Hillary, “Nelson Mandela spent 27 years in prison before he became President.” That’s hope and change for sure.
    https://m.facebook.com/lastamericapatriots/photos/a.235087906641439.1073741826.235086849974878/1105450026271885/?type=3&source=48

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  6. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    BillT you crack me up. What is amazing to me about these MOTR types like Crabb is they always persist in attacking the Right. They may have a passing comment on the left but they do the barnyard dog routine on the right. Never let up. And trying to tell us they are MOTR is laughable.

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  7. ’’’M’’’ Avatar
    ’’’M’’’

    ‘’’Trump has extensive business holdings and opening them up to the public would allow his competitors to see a lot of his business strategy’’’ Says you Scotto
    I realize you think trumpski is a very stable genius,,,but to me it sounds like a pretty lame excuse for not releasing them
    ,,,here are the high points of his strategy,,,
    Borrow or launder money from rooskies even if they pee on you,,,
    Stiff contractors and employees and use bankruptcy as a business model,,,
    Pay off people to keep them quiet,,,
    Sue anybody and everybody who gets too close to the truth or makes fun of you..
    And lie through your teeth!!!

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  8. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: ’’’M’’’ | 21 July 2018 at 08:37 AM
    …..and just like that the Scotsman reaches down into his bag and flings his 💩!
    Way to go dugski!
    (Gregory appears to have been spot on in his description!)

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  9. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    “Borrow or launder money from rooskies even if they pee on you,,,”
    Oh M, why are you still stuck on Hillary? Yep, that ole Putin pissed on her and boy was it worth it. She got 400 million from them and probably stole all the hotel towels Hey, I will let you piss on me for a whole day for half that much. For sure.

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  10. scenes Avatar
    scenes

    “the Scotsman reaches down into his bag and flings his 💩!”
    Oh well, that’s politics in the US, even when you fancy yourself the descendant of cattle thieves.
    Ford was a klutz, Carter was attacked by a rabbit, Reagan was a doddering old fool, Clinton was a rapist, Bush I was the son of a Nazi, Bush II was a drunk frat boy, Obama was a closeted homosexual from Kenya, Trump screwed a stripper. It’s all just primate group behavior, including the 💩.
    Given the posts from “M”, you do have to wonder about the wisdom of universal suffrage.

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  11. Paul Emery Avatar

    Trump tweets today:
    “Inconceivable that the government would break into a lawyer’s office (early in the morning) – almost unheard of. Even more inconceivable that a lawyer would tape a client – totally unheard of & perhaps illegal. The good news is that your favorite President did nothing wrong!
    — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) July 21, 2018
    Interesting that Trump is speaking out about so called “illegal” recordings of phone conversations that are being used by his opponents lawlers while at the same time taking advantage of Russia’s stolen emails of the DNC making them a big part of his campaign against Clinton. what a hypocrite.

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  12. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Paul Emery | 21 July 2018 at 09:34 AM
    Sorry Punch …..no matter how hard you stamp your size nines she’s not going to be president!

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  13. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: scenes | 21 July 2018 at 09:26 AM
    Given the posts from “M”, you do have to wonder about the wisdom of universal suffrage.

    Or not…..

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  14. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    So Paul Emery would endorse illegally taping a lawyer clients calls without permission and then tell us all how he is all about he law. You cannot make this stuff up.

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  15. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Trump treason? Good job Mr. President in nabbing that Russian young thang spy. Got a bargaining chip. Tighten those screws slowlly. They ain’t cheering in the arussian Embassy now, are they? Hmmm. Unless, of course, that place is still shut down.
    http://www.oann.com/lavrov-tells-pompeo-free-russian-woman-accused-in-u-s-of-espionage/

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  16. Paul Emery Avatar

    Not what I said Todd. What I said was Trump was complaining about what may possibly illegal phone recording but freely used Russia’s illegaly stolen Hillary emails in his campaign. Can’t have it both ways Todd.

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  17. George Rebane Avatar

    I invite the diligent reader to note which actions, policies, and incidents of the Left and Right reside in progressives’ heads as symmetrical equivalents – I’m specifically referring to the 628am and 934am contributions of Messrs Crabb and Emery. As maintained here for years, with such wildly disparate perceptions of history, current events, and social mores, there is little hope that any meaningful communication, let alone rapprochement, can occur between the two sides today haranguing each other from Washington to the Sierra foothills.
    But I suppose the continuing conversation, no matter how contemporaneously futile, may ultimately give rise to a peaceful epiphany of the Great Divide. And that indeed would be a profitable outcome for future generations, since it would permit at least one divorcee to continue the Great Experiment bequeathed by our Founders.

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  18. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Sorry Paul Emery you are just making it up again. But that is what we expect from you fake news people. Hillary and the DNC emails were in the public domain. Trump simply pointed them out to the idiots that write the “news”. He did not hack them. And Wiki says he did not get them from the Russians or any other “State” entity. So you can’t have it both waus. Either you condemn the illegal recording of a lawyer clients conversations or you support the lawlessness. Seems that is your gig.

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  19. ’’’M’’’ Avatar
    ’’’M’’’

    ,,,sorry toes,,,that wan’t sheriff trumpski that nabbed the rooskie NRA fan gurl,,,
    ,,,the people that nabbed her were our patriot employees of the DEEP STATE y’all think are conspiring against your ilk!!!
    #WhataHoot!!!

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  20. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    @ 11:08 am
    Oh Todd, you are wasting your time. Punchy just resorts to the ole standby, i. e., his moral equivalency stance. Like, Trump’s presser last Monday is the equilivent to the attack on Pearl Harbor, where a total, 2,403 Americans died and 1,178 were wounded. Eighteen ships were sunk or run aground, including five battleships. All of the Americans killed or wounded during the attack were non-combatants, given the fact there was no state of war when the attack occurred. Yep, sounds morally equivelant to me. What a offensive degradation of the memory of those who perished to that of a presser for shameless soulless political gain.
    Lest I be amiss, let’s not forget the 6 million Jews and the nine million other underreported ethnic souls who were ruthlessly slaughtered by the Nazis to what Trump said in Helsinki. Go ahead,continue to decrescrate the graves of all those women and children and step on their bodies you can feel taller as you spout your moral equivalency. Sing it to the high heavens, you shameless harlots of history and news at the expense of the ultimate sacrifice paid by others, including the innocents and surviving loved ones.
    I spit on you and promise to pause to take the time to piss on your grave….but I digress. Best to get back on topic.
    Holy Smokes, Trump is in Putin’s pocket! Impeach him. How dare he! It’s like a Kristallnacht deja vu. It’s equivelant to 9/11 where 2,977 innocents were viciously incinerated or ground into fine dust. Another deja vu. Somebody stop him. High crimes and treason!
    More proof Putin has the goods on Trump. Stop him. Arrest him. People will die by the gazillions.
    https://www.nationalreview.com/news/united-states-releases-200-million-security-aid-to-ukraine/
    Yep, they are all laughing in the Russian Embassy. They are rolling on the ground laughing at the Unhinged Zoombies Leftists, all suffering from TDS. The Rooskies ain’t so much into cheering for Trump anymore, though. Odd.
    TDS is real and is a fact of life.

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  21. ’’’M’’’ Avatar
    ’’’M’’’

    ,,,from trumpski’s prepared remarks,,,
    ‘’’On the top of Page Two, these words appeared:
    “In saying — as I have said before — that I ACCEPT our intelligence community’s conclusions about Russia’s meddling in the 2016 elections.”
    The president read those words verbatim. Then he added what he’d written in his own hand:
    “There was no collusion.”
    He then continued to follow the script.
    “I thought I made that clear yesterday, but having just reviewed the transcript of yesterday’s press conference, I realized that there is the need for further clarification. In a key sentence in my remarks, I said the word “WOULD” instead of “WOULDN’T.” The sentence should have been: “I don’t see any reason why it WOULDN’T be Russia”– a double negative.
    I have on numerous occasions noted our intelligence findings that Russians attempted to interfere in our elections.
    So far, so good. But then came this deletion:
    Anyone involved in that meddling to justice.
    Clearly, he was supposed to say, “Anyone involved in that meddling” either “will be” or “should be” brought to justice.”
    But he just couldn’t do it. Probably because he doesn’t believe it. His deviation from the script is an admission that he has no desire to see anyone involved in the meddling brought to justice. It’s that simple.’’’
    http://www.philly.com/philly/columnists/michael_smerconish/trump-russia-speech-helsinki-putin-20180718.html

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  22. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Sorry M. That Russian Gal was nabbed by the Trump Administration after he fired the top corrupt lying crooked (besides Hillary) top officials and executives in our Excutive Branch, particularly Comey and not hiring Lynch, Comey, Clapper, ad infinitum. Get out of here, knuckleheads. Go pound sand.
    Kudos President Trump.and the hard working dilgengent agents who are not the senior officials. Immediate results of draining the Swamp. Trying to infiltrate and smear the good name of the NRA is something that Russia cannot be allowed to do to defeat Trump and hamstrung him. Godspeed, Mr. Trump. Go get ‘em.
    .

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  23. Walt Avatar

    Back to our crack “intelligence” gathering? NOW LIBS sing their praises? The vary same people who trashed the intelligence people about WMDs….. You Proggys are funny.
    So now they have names, places, and right down to which computers were used in Russia… Right… Sure thing. There are more than a few hackers that call,, “BULLSHIT!!!”
    My son is really good with lines of code. WAY back when,, when he graduated grade school,(that’s 8th grade for “M”oron) he hacked to school computer and changed his name on his diploma.(just for fun) That was before hacking was even an issue. Even he,(a collage produced Lefty) says BS to the knowing of who in Russia did the deeds.

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  24. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    This will end up poking a thousand holes in the talking points for po’ ol’ putin party parrots. Squawk!
    https://theintercept.com/2018/07/21/ecuador-will-imminently-withdraw-asylum-for-julian-assange-and-hand-him-over-to-the-uk-what-comes-next/
    😉

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  25. Robert Cross Avatar
    Robert Cross

    Todd 10:21 –Only a few states California, Florida, Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts, Montana, Nevada, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania and Washington require “two party” consent for recording a phone conversation. If Cohen was anywhere else his recordings are legal and can, therefore, be introduced as evidence in a court of law. So your assertion that the taping was illegal is the actual fake news that you are making up. But here is the rub, Todd, it was Trump’s own legal team that decided to release the tape of the two men discussing a possible payment to the Playboy model — which had been deemed “privileged” by a federal court. The only reason the public even knows about the tape is because trump’s lawyers, in some as yet to be disclosed legal maneuver, allowed the story to be made public This particular evidence garnered in the raids on Cohen’s offices, etc. had been ruled to fall under attorney/client privilege and therefore not accessible to the investigators. Go figure! The wonders of such great legal minds as Rudy G is beyond comprehension.

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  26. Walt Avatar

    Att. client privilege SpongeBob. And still no crime.
    Trump is right. The media IS the enemy.
    https://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2018/07/20/wapos-eugene-robinson-loyal-and-honorable-deep-state-has-a-higher-duty-god-bless-them/
    “Robinson writes that Congress has remained “supine” but that the unelected “public servants” with the power to secretly surveil are all that “stands between us and the abyss””
    Proggys love subversives.

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  27. scenes Avatar
    scenes

    “the unelected “public servants” with the power to secretly surveil are all that “stands between us and the abyss”:”
    Wow. Just wow.
    Excuse me for the caps, but THAT IS THE ABYSS.
    Anyone who can’t see that is a damn fool.

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  28. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Robert Cross | 21 July 2018 at 03:08 PM
    Seems Trump thinks it was illegal. And would you like your private Attorney/client discussions and documents taken by the government? How about your doctor? Your priest? You see you may think it is just fine when it is someone else but it will happen to you if you don’t help stop this fascist behavior. And I thought you liberals found the “right to privacy” in the Constitution?

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  29. George Rebane Avatar

    scenes 420pm – Agreed!!!!! And that on the national scale again demonstrates how different THEY are from US. These are the people who will make it possible for the ‘Man on a White Horse’ to assume control overnight. And then for the rest of us it is ‘reeducation camps’ or the wall.

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  30. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Big Brother is listening…

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  31. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    “stands between us and the abyss”
    More hyperventilating nonsense from the left.
    Not one of them can actually point to anything concrete that is so bad that Trump has done. It’s all about what they fear.
    Good grief.
    Go to China or Cuba or any number of other countries that really are in bad shape re human rights. The abyss. These idiots don’t even know what that is. Keep it up and I can guarantee you’ll experience the abyss.

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  32. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    from George – “And then for the rest of us it is ‘reeducation camps’ or the wall.”
    Well – there is another possibility. Let’s hope and pray it doesn’t come to that.

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  33. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Something to ponder from Walt’s 3:19 on and ensuring comments. Not saying I agree with it, but a plausible explanation for such subversive actions by the Deep State, a law unto themselves and the only laws they live by are their own.
    Suppose Clapper, Brennan, and the rest of those senior officials were and driven by a sense of duty to the administration….the prior administration. Rather than being full blown anti-democratic and anti-Americanism treasons control freaks on their agenda (or just not being immune from Massive hysteria TDS), suppose they see themselves as fulfilling their duty, honor and oath of loyalty sworn to the prior Administration and are merely fulfilling their sacred vows with every fiber in their being. Not the lying monsters that they are, but zealots and true believers dutifully carrying the tasks they were charged with. To protect and defend.
    I tend to side more on the lines of they cannot own Trump like previous Presidents, which has produced terror in their heart of hearts. Sheer unadultered terror. They cannot control him, buy him, nor get him to play ball. It’s all about their power and position riding high above our silly Constitution and rule of law and elected temporary Presidents and law makers. Trump is the biggest threat to them they have ever seen since JFK. They ain’t going to relinquish their power without a fight to the death.. It’s all about who holds the reins of power. With that said, I tend to view Jim Comey and Peter Strzok as those kitypes who are simply looking out for themselves above all else. What’s good for Jm or good for Peter is those two’s Bottomline. Don’t think Comey has a loyalty to anyone but number one. The rest are zealots, creatures of their sect.
    Just throwing it out there that the motivation for the top officials and their executives behind the curtain may be a sense of religious fervor (like zealots) ..to staunchly protect and defend an Administration other than the current one because of their sense of duty. They sure act like rabid loyalists to Team Obama/Clinton and themselves.
    Just kicking an alternative view around because that’s the 2nd time in a few days I heard that angle thrown out there.
    Sounds to me like they are floating trail balloons for their defense strategy. Must feel the heat has been notched up a few degrees and as more layers of the onion are being removed.
    I think zealots are more dangerous than mere criminals. They have a higher calling, better motivation, and justification to lie, steal, cheat, stomp on people’s feet, not to mention the license to kill.

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  34. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Trump said:
    “The Fake News Media wants so badly to see a major confrontation with Russia, even a confrontation that could lead to war. They are pushing so recklessly hard and hate the fact that I’ll probably have a good relationship with Putin.”
    Spot on. Trump is saying: I am going to call off this Cold War II before it breaks out into the hot war that nine U.S. presidents avoided, despite Soviet provocations far graver than Putin’s pilfering of DNC emails showing how Debbie Wasserman Schultz stuck it to Bernie Sanders.
    This Helsinki hysteria is but a taste.
    By cheering Brexit, dissing the EU, suggesting NATO is obsolete, departing Syria, trying to get on with Putin, Trump is threatening the entire U.S. foreign policy establishment with what it fears most — irrelevance.
    For if there is no war on, no war imminent, and no war wanted, what does a War Party do?
    http://buchanan.org/blog/trump-stands-his-ground-on-putin-129692

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  35. scenes Avatar
    scenes

    BillT: “their duty, honor and oath of loyalty sworn to the prior Administration”
    From the outside, it’s possible to view it not so much the prior administration as it is the BushII/Obama/Clinton administration that rose in the security expansion post-9/11.
    It’s been 17 years now and most of these fellows’ professional careers, and certainly all of their careers as senior staff, was in that environment.
    The metastasizing of the infamous 17 intelligence agencies and the increase in their paramilitary abilities, growth of private-contractor armies, the joining at the hip of the NSA with ATT/Google/Verizon/Facebook/etc, encouraged by a couple of malleable Presidents along with their staff, have likely produced a defacto new branch of government.
    You can argue that the military + defense contractors already had such a thing, I wonder if they are rivals or associates.
    Can Trump be allowed to defy what is basically a force of nature? I don’t really know.

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  36. Robert Cross Avatar
    Robert Cross

    Speaking of collusion, this just released: Former campaign advisor Carter Page was “conspiring and collaborating with the Russian government,” according to information gained from wiretaps by the Justice Department. “there is probable cause that such activities involve or are about to involve violations of the criminal statutes of the United States.” Page “has established relationships with Russian government officials, including Russian intelligence officers,” and that the FBI believed “the Russian government’s efforts are being coordinated with Page and perhaps other individuals associated with” Trump’s campaign. How ’bout them apples.. The noose tightens…Oh, of course, fake news witch hunt Hillary Obama. I get it, the orange goombah is innocent. He didn’t know a thing about any Russians. Smoking gun? Where there is smoke is there fire? Stay tuned for more President donnie on the reality TV network.

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  37. Walt Avatar

    ANTIFA Is living up to it’s domestic terrorist label.
    https://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/07/21/police-arrest-antifa-member-with-cache-of-bomb-making-materials-guns-manifesto/
    “In his Blaine Avenue home, investigators discovered bomb-making materials along with illegal firearms and accessories. The materials included ammonium nitrate and aluminum powder, a sawed-off shotgun, and a homemade rifle silencer, police said.
    Minnehaha County Sheriff Capt. Jason Gearman noted that the chemicals were “identified as ammonium nitrate and aluminum powder mixed together, which that compound, there is no legal purpose for it. It is an explosive.” “

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  38. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Carter Paige is totally innocent. If there was something it would have been years ago. And I think I just heard that Trump has given his permission on the phone taps. Anyone else hear that?

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    scenes

    re: RobertC@8:57
    lol. What a nothingburger that is, you made me waste about 20 minutes looking through this
    https://vault.fbi.gov/d1-release/d1-release/view
    My guess is that you haven’t read a shred of it. The Dailykos should be good enough to form an opinion after all.
    No doubt the hope is to trip up that Page dude, a temporary adviser in the Trump campaign, and then put the screws on him for goods on Trump.
    If anything, the triviality of the whole thing proves my own point, you are seeing a new branch of government in a bit of strong-arm politics. Hopefully you like the result in the long run Gospodin.

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  40. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Mueller is the American Stasi.

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  41. George Rebane Avatar

    RobertC 857pm – Is there anything you can cite as to a credible source for the assertion that Carter Page was “conspiring and collaborating with the Russian government”? If it were credible proof of criminal activity, Mueller would already have the grand jury issue an indictment. Can you spell fake news?

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  42. Robert Cross Avatar
    Robert Cross

    How about the FBI, George, as a credible source? Or have you totally bought in to trump’s BS fake news witch hunt ploy that the FBI and the intelligence agencies are fabricating the whole thing to bring him down? Did the FBI fabricate the wiretaps that revealed this information? Did Faux News and Breitbart or some of your other “credible” red zone sources not cover this story? If you knew about or participated in these treasonous misdeeds what would you do 1) admit wrong doing and lose everything; 2) Throw the country under the bus and conjure up some BS story that contradicts law enforcement, intelligence, and congress to cover your ass? Considering trump’s penchant for outright lying, I think the latter was his choice.
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44916853
    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/fbi-carter-page-russia_us_5b53c5fee4b0fd5c73c60649

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  43. Robert Cross Avatar
    Robert Cross

    Todd__”And I think I just heard that Trump has given his permission on the phone taps. Anyone else hear that?” You think you just heard this.. well did you hear it or not or is this just a another piece of Todd-news…No news outlet is reporting this tidbit. I bet you just made it up to cover your ass, just like your hero trump.

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  44. George Rebane Avatar

    RobertC 835am – Had you read your own citations more carefully, you would have discovered that the FBI had no proof of collusion or conspiracy, only that they ‘believed’ they would obtain such proof were they to continue wiretapping Page. They still have no such proof of any criminal activity on the part of Carter Page. Had they such proof, Page would have been indicted long ago. And all you ‘fake news’ lefties have is the fervent hope that something culpable will be discovered sooner or later. So in the interval you keep your media mouthpieces lying to the lightly-read of the nation as if that already were a fact.

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  45. Walt Avatar

    LIBS are SO funny.
    https://www.breitbart.com/video/2018/07/22/susan-rice-trump-has-served-putins-interests-in-undermining-democracy/
    “Rice said, “The sanctions that the president and the administration have imposed on Russia only came as a result of a congressional mandate that required him to do so. The president has cast doubt repeatedly including this week on the legitimacy of the unanimous intelligence community finding that Russia directly interfered in our elections.”
    Maybe Bobby can point to just “what” interference. Not one vote was changed. Was he suckered by Putin to vote for Trump via Facebook?
    As for what Trump has done, it’s all worked out in America’s interests.
    The ONLY real damage,, has been done to LIBS.(and by them of course.)

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  46. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Russian relations, treason, foreign policy, and vodka. It’s all good, but skip to 9 minutes for Brennan, but it’s all good.
    http://www.lauraingraham.com/b/Dan-Hoffman:-John-Brennan-was-behind-Obamas-reset-policy,-the-most-naive-policy-toward-Russia-in-our-history./-637830192855598460.html#.W1SYokDaNxY.facebook
    Or, how about Comrade Gus Hall for a weee bit of history and mindset context.
    https://spectator.org/john-brennans-president-remembering-comrade-gus-hall/

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  47. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    The SacBee has some articles on Trump and Paige today that proved to me there is no “there” threwr. These “journalists are pathetic. Read the articles and see if you agree. We know the FBI did not identify the source of the “dossier” was Hillary yet these journalists say an FOIA release states the FBI informed the Judge that the source was political research. If that is not dishonest and a stain on the FBI thatn BoobieC is a female. The other article was on the Cohen raid and the illegal secuting of his office and papers. There is nothing there but these newspapers can’t help themselves with all their glee to find anything. So BoobieC, I guess you will have to go back to your next bottle of JB for a while and drown your sorrows. Trump is teflon.

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