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Sandbox – 29sep17

[Is gerrymandering bad for a representative democracy?  Many people, including me, think so.  Thoughts? (more here and here)  gjr]

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  1. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Paul 359
    The issue behind that cultural appropriation is that it did accurately describe the tactic you were using. Unfortunately, George performed a forfeit by mocking you in an Amos and Andy voice.

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  2. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Politico among others.

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  3. fish Avatar
    fish

    In 2014, Holder, while attorney general, boarded a government-owned Gulfstream and flew to the Belmont Stakes Thoroughbred horse race in New York with his daughters, their boyfriends and two security officers.
    Bobby?
    Bobby?
    Bobby?
    Bobby?
    Bobby?
    ….B..B.bbbbbobby?
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/09/29/flight-furor-obama-officials-also-took-pricey-non-commercial-planes.html

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  4. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Amos and Andy? that’s classic racism Gregory. Imitation of blackface comedy of the 20’s

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  5. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Well, it did get you skipped to the next groove, Paul. All of a sudden you have something else to talk about than those kids you really don’t care about.

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  6. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    I lost an uncle to a gun accident Gregory. He was my mothers brother and died when he was 13 playing with a gun he found in a ditch. Don’t say I don’t care about the kids. You don’t have a clue what you’re talking about.

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  7. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Amos and Andy? They are replaying those on TV I heard. And I recall in 2008 that Hillary did an impression of a black at a gathering of blacks and was lauded. Did you uncle’s folks get prosecuted, Paul Emery for the death?

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  8. Walt Avatar
    Walt

    I did to Paul, and it was NO ACCIDENT. A criminal shot my Uncle with his own gun. My Uncle was a cop So pardon me if I don’t see a problem with cops offing a few thugs here or there.
    So who didn’t tell him not to play with guns? At 13 I knew how to safely handle a firearm. So who is really to blame? Can’t blame the gun.(but you will try) The guy that lost it? The goon that through it out the car window? Or the person that didn’t teach their kid right?
    My own kids learned at 7 or 8 what a gun was, and not to mess with them. Now they can shoot better than me.(almost)

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  9. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    An uncle who died when, Paul? 1910? Long before you were born? Playing with a gun he found in a ditch?
    About that time a very young uncle of mine died as a result of a routine tonsillectomy. Minor and routine surgery my ass, one of the reasons I never had one despite my tonsils being in tatters from repeated infections… my mom didn’t believe in them.
    Family stories notwithstanding, I don’t think you care about the kids you’re using as props here any more than anyone else here, Paul. If you did you would have discussed the issues not just thrown out 1300 over and over.

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  10. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    It sounds like the po’ ol’ fakenewsmans’s uncle was in need of a gun safety class. Gun in a ditch eh’ sounds like a criminal dumped the gun your unwise uncle became a statistic with. Walt is right about early gun safety. I first learned gun safety around 7 or 8 and went on to target shooting and taught some specialized small arms in the military to sign qualification cards as an additional duty. There is one final point that will always come up and that is you can not fix stupid in some people and you never will. Like the lady with a baby in the truck running late on 49 who recently cause a big wreck by passing in the turn lane repeatedly. Anything that has the human X factor in the mix will always have errors in the mix, even if its only a tiny part of a percent.

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  11. Paul emery Avatar
    Paul emery

    This was in the 1930s Don Of course I wasn’t around but it’s part of my family heritage

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  12. Paul emery Avatar
    Paul emery

    There was a story last week about a kid who btought a gun into a kindergarten it went off twice and injured two kids Well that’s what prompted me to discuss this Any problem with that ?

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  13. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Paul, why did you think your family story bestowed upon you a morally superior point of view?

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  14. Walt Avatar
    Walt

    So you go all through the compost heap to get to that?
    Would it be too damned much to ask to lead off with that?
    Guess not. Just come out bitching… OK,, so they were injured.
    NOT killed like with your first bleeding heart crap.
    I’m pretty damned sure they know where the gun came from. So much for the “need” for another gun law. Nice try Paul.
    Now here is how you teach the young’ns about SEX Paul,, ” It’s bad. It’s nasty! It will make you go blind!! Class dismissed”.

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  15. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    Well guys we can at least be glad the stench of putrid Russian dressing is starting to fade on the po’ ol’ fakenewsman now that its all been debunked. 😉

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  16. Walt Avatar
    Walt

    Paul missed the poll update.. Hay Paul.. Trump UP again.

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  17. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    Here is another one for the po’ ol’ fakenewsman to ignore; Optimism for small and large manufactures is at a 20 year high averaging 90.87 this year. Last year it averaged 59.77. 😉

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  18. Scott Obermuller Avatar
    Scott Obermuller

    Good to see Paul posting here again. He clearly shows the classic example of left wing idiocy. 1300 ‘children’ dead from gun shot wounds. What to do? First of all he wilfully ignores the details involving most of the situations of these tragedies by simply calling it ‘finesse’. He supplies 2 examples (in one example no one is killed) and neither example would have been stopped by any sort of new law he can come up with. And since he is mocked for his lack of reasoning, he offers up the classic left-wing line of defence that since we don’t agree with him about how to solve the problem, we must not care about it.
    Paul claims he was in the military but clearly has no understanding of fire arms. They don’t just ‘go off twice’ Paul. Somebody pulled the trigger twice.
    Look Paul, if you want to reduce the number of folks 17 and under being killed by fire arms the first thing you do is study the issue by looking at the facts of the matter. It’s not ‘finesse’ – it’s doing the hard work of looking at all of the different situations and going after the main causes. I’m sorry your uncle was killed, but clearly this shouldn’t cloud your brain so badly you can’t come up with rational preventative measures. The NRA has gun safety information for kids that they aren’t allowed to bring to schools. But clearly that doesn’t stop kids from bringing guns to school. My money says that home life for the child involved is way dysfunctional and there is almost certainly drug use going on in that house.

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  19. Scott Obermuller Avatar
    Scott Obermuller

    from the report that Paul cited – “Fifty-three percent of these were homicides (n = 693), 38% were suicides (n = 493), and 6% were unintentional firearm deaths (n = 82); the remaining 3% were due to legal intervention (n = 9) and deaths of undetermined intent (n = 19).”
    So it looks like Paul is sooooo worried about children being shot dead, he wants to pass laws that might have to do with a whopping 6% of the total.
    What a complete phoney.

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  20. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    Well Scott, he did earn his title of po’ ol’ fakenewsman for a reason. 😉

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  21. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    “It’s not ‘finesse’ – it’s doing the hard work of looking at all of the different situations and going after the main causes.”
    You noticed that dodge, did you?
    Paul’s solution to the problem is to wave a magic wand and make a list of the serial numbers of all, what, 200 million guns in the US and the current owners, not to keep the guns out of the hands of kids but to enable the cops to find them after the fact to charge someone with some sort of negligence. He may think he wasn’t waving a magic wand but he obviously did not give any thought as to what it would take to create a usable registration list and the number of folks who would have had no criminal a act or record until they chose to not register their gun(s) in defiance of Paul and Company.
    Taking the 6% being unintentional, and maybe 10% chance the firearm in question is on the list of registered weapons Paul wants… and it’s about a half percent chance the list would do any good at all for the purpose Paul was hoping for.
    Gun laws are not the province of medical doctors, especially pediatricians. Guns are not an infectious disease. This is the province of statisticians, politics and the law.

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  22. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Exactly what poll is Trump “up” in Walt? Here’s a list of all of them
    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_approval-6179.html

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  23. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Moral superiority Gregory???
    My goodness you are defensive. Disappointing. I always regarded you as someone who could sustain a decent argument.
    I’m doing sound at the Celtic festival for the rest of the weekend. Not hanging out here for awhile.

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  24. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    I remember once Michele Obama was almost in tears talking about the shootings of children. The incident involved some “children” who were shot. “The children” she said all choked up. The “children” were caught. All 18 year olds. Members of a gang. Yep, the children afraid to walk to school.
    I remember the black and white police video cam of Muzzoo’s Professor Melissa Gluck screaming profanities at cops when LE was telling the protesters to get on the curb, out of the street. She was surrounded by big black students, presumably some from the footfall team judging by their size. She screamed “Keep your hands off the children!, get your f**king hands off the children!” The video showed no hands were place on the “children” as they complied with the order to get out of the street and on the curb.
    I remember the UC Santa Barbara (“Professor Sex” as affectionally dubbed by her students) assualted some young 17-19 year old females for quietly passing out Pro-Life pamphlets to students…with permission from a small free speech zone. The enraged professor was later charged with assault and convicted of something. She (at the time) defended her actions by matter-of- factly stating the obvious, she was defending “the children”. The children were her students and they need to be protected from anti-abortion leaflets. Whether the children are 17 or 23, it matters not to our protectors of “the children”, Meses Michelle, Melissa, or Professor Porn.
    Gun murders of children? Yes, a deeply disturbing issue. Young gays and lesbos (14-17 year olds) have a higher suicide rate than both the general population and their age group. Gays, and especially tranny babies/lesbians have a higher suicide than the general population, especially in the 18-24 age bracket. How many of these “children” put a muzzle in their mouths and pulled the trigger? Some of the 1300, I assume.

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  25. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    Lordy. lord thanks for the blessing of peace @1039. God forbid the druid actually engages in logical back and forth about his 6% of 1300 administratively preventable shootings. The socialist party parrot will never go at the gangs, its too un-pc. Hey 6% is better than the 1% leftist racket right? Bernie, shrillary, faucahauntas, Al Gore et all are all real world 1% ers are they not? No need to parrot about what is already established fakenewsman. 😉

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  26. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Paul 1039 Now I’m the one being defensive? A bizarre notion from the guy who can’t throw a decent punch OR rub two facts together to make a proposition.
    Given I didn’t invoke morals or superiority, where you got that from I’ve not a clue. When you come back you can detail how you planned on cataloging all firearms and their owners… just pass the law that instructs folks to do it, and they would obey?

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  27. fish Avatar
    fish

    And from The Budweiser “Real Men of Genius” category…..

    1) Four lane wide banner praising “Diversity” – CHECK
    2) Throng of vaguely self satisfied white people….most of whom likely moved to Grass Valley to escape the blessings of “Diversity” – CHECK
    3)Black person – CHECK
    Congratulations Grass Valley…..only you would have the stones to hold a diversity march that was 99.5% comprised of white people

    https://sierrafoothillsreport.com/2017/09/29/love-walk-fills-the-streets-of-downtown-grass-valley/

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  28. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    It’s for the children.
    https://cached-assets.patriotpost.us/images/2017-09-29-2e8fadee_large.jpg

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  29. Walt Avatar
    Walt

    Don’t fret Paul. Those who really care will see thrump’s #s are in fine shape.
    Now you just look to fake news that says Trump is ignoring Porto Rico. Just spike any good press for Trump. (can’t have any of that getting out.)

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  30. BunBun Avatar
    BunBun

    ”’only you would have the stones to hold a diversity march that was 99.5% comprised of white people”’ What eastern block troll farm do you work at fish? You obviously don’t live around here based on your clueless post.

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  31. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: BunBun | 30 September 2017 at 08:39 AM
    Oh KeachKeach……you didn’t get the memo….diversity marches are supposed to be about ….umm…..diversity!
    300 white urban escapees, “keep on keepin on” hippies, and a smattering of retrograde Social Justice Warrior types getting together to show the world how enlightened they are is just bad theater.
    You didn’t even let that lonely black girl stand in the middle of the banner.

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  32. fish Avatar
    fish

    Time to do some “rockin the oldies”…..

    “If James T. Hodgkinson had been a Trump supporter who shot and almost killed a Democratic congressman for political reasons, he’d be the most infamous man in America. But now, just two months after his attempt to murder a group of Republican lawmakers, he’s not even worth mentioning.
    If I didn’t know better, I’d think the press is sad that Hodgkinson didn’t succeed.”

    Ding, ding, ding…..tell him what he’s won Johnny!
    http://dailycaller.com/2017/08/22/james-t-hodgkinson-attempted-assassin-of-steve-scalise-already-being-erased-from-history

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  33. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Gregory, you prefer to make personal attacks on me rather that dealing with the topic which is the slaughter of children in our country due to access of firearms.
    Off to the Celtic Fest.

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  34. Walt Avatar
    Walt

    Your not Celtic Paul.
    See you at the Caber toss.

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  35. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Fakenews or just plain old non-news? Or, a look into the progressive mind.
    1)Normally I leave First Ladies alone, except undocumented felons like Hillary. But, when they inject themselves into the political area, all bets are off.
    Michelle Obama said that any woman who did not for Hillary voted against their voice. Hmmm. I believe Michelle voted against Hillary in 2008, but I could be wrong.
    2). Now Dr. Seuss books are under attack…..selectively. Must be that White Supremist thang.
    “A librarian at Cambridgeport Elementary School in Cambridge, Massachusetts, rejected Melania Trump’s donation of Dr. Seuss books this week, citing illustrations that are “steeped in racist propaganda, caricatures, and harmful stereotypes” while also citing how the school is properly funded and also offering criticism of the Trump administration’s controversial Secretary of Education Betsy DeVos.”
    “The first lady’s efforts mirrored actions performed by Michelle Obama, who was known to read Dr. Seuss books to young children. Melania Trump has read the famed author’s books at educational events for children, including a reading in March of “Oh, the Places You’ll Go” at NewYork-Presbyterian/Weill Cornell Medical Center.”
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/melania-trump-apos-library-donation-182737264.html
    Hmmmmm.
    https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.254420818025296.63999.217926015008110/1175159195951449/?type=3&theater
    Let’s take a peek at the Cambridge Elementary Librarian, shall we?
    https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.217983685002343.55586.217926015008110/1175161515951217/?type=3&theater
    In related related education news, Betsy Devon was called a White Supremist at a Harvard University speech Thursday.
    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/protests-at-devos-harvard-speech-sign-calls-her-white-supremacist/
    This is what Secretary Betsy Devos said on Aug 17, in the aftermath of Charlottesville. No mincing words.
    “Last weekend’s tragic and unthinkable events in Charlottesville were wholly unacceptable. The views of white nationalists, neo-Nazis and other racist bigots are totally abhorrent to the American ideal. We all have a role to play in rejecting views that pit one group of people against another. Such views are cowardly, hateful and just plain wrong.”
    No use arguing with the libs. Waste of time. A favorite quote of mine rom Dr. Condolezza Rice (11/2014) is “Today’s True Racists Are Liberals Who Defend Teachers’ Unions.”

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  36. Michael R. Kesti Avatar
    Michael R. Kesti

    I’ve not closely followed the current discussion of Paul Emery’s gun registration plan. Please forgive me if I am being redundant.
    Paul favors firearm registration so that, in his own words, “… the owners of guns who carelessly make them available to children can be held responsible if anyone is injured or killed.” He accuses those who disagree of lacking concern for the deaths of children. A problem that I have with this is that Paul’s registration plan does nothing to prevent those deaths. I am not the least bit surprised that he would stand on children’s graves to advance his anti-Second Amendment agenda.
    I do hope that Paul will remember that I answered the question he used to begin this discussion and perhaps he will be inspired to respond to questions asked of him.

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  37. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    That was the whitest diversity march on record and I expect there were more than a few closet racists falsely signaling their virtue in the walk. I didn’t have a clue I was applying for a job in the whitest town in California in ’91 but I stayed ever since… it is a good life here
    A picture of the perps, especially with a clear image of the license plate, would have been the core of the teachable moment I’d have liked to see.
    I know I’d be livid were my son to have been harassed by folks in a car as it was the safety for my son that kept me here despite the lack of jobs and good schools. My heart goes out to the family.
    Punchy 905 in another drive by
    Moral superiority, Paul? Really? Personal attacks? Really? Did it ever strike you the kids are mostly getting shot where guns aren’t very available… to the law abiding residents? Chicago/Chiraq. Washington DC.
    Toes 909
    I remember when my son attended Hennessey School circa 1995, my wife, Teri came home from volunteering one day with the observation that Dr. Seuss (Soysss or Sooose?) wasn’t to be found in the classrooms, just gathering dust in the library. Not because The Cat in the Hat was racist but because all the nonsense words that were the mainstay of the master of kid’s books were gibberish to whole language instruction sans phonics. Sounding out words was not an approved reading strategy.

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  38. John Avatar
    John

    Speaking of schools, the simplest and most effective way to reduce child gun deaths would be to REQUIRE that ALL CHILDREN receive basic gun safety education in school. Locally, prior to the 1990’s many of the local elementary asked the GVPD to come to the classrooms and do exactly that. It is now no longer encouraged or probably even allowed, due to anti-gun bias in education. I wonder if Paul Emery would be a champion of that gun law?

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  39. Walt Avatar
    Walt

    John.. Not a bad idea what so ever.
    Funny how LIB ideas change over time. There was a time (Late 80’s to mid mid 90’s??) There were those teachers wanting kids to rat out their parents who might be smoking dope. (today,, they would like it if those same kids took dope to school)
    So there is a new “rat out your parent” program. “If Mommy or Daddy
    have a gun, tell the teacher”. Just to have a cop show up to see if they are legally compliant.

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  40. BunBun Avatar
    BunBun

    ”’That was the whitest diversity march on record”’ ….the ratio of races on Mill St. were proportional to the demographics. DuH!

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  41. Walt Avatar
    Walt

    No one playing with you on the Daily Caller pages Doug?
    People discovered the block button, and use it “liberally” on ya’.
    Still. You don’t get the point of all those people.
    You don’t get called KKKeach for nothing.

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  42. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    A back and forth from the Frisch and the Pelline. What a hoot!
    “Steve,
    Those “old voices” on George “Raghead” Rebane’s blog are “outliers.” Totally irrelevant. That came through loud and clear at yesterday’s “Love March.” This blog received 3,000 page views yesterday. Ask George Rebane or “Sierra Dragon’s Breathe” (sic) how many page views they received. ROFLOL.”
    Now, why would Pelline say anything about race when he chose to move to the whitest county in the state? Did he come her to escape his true predjudices in the city against peiople of color? And Frisch who preaches diversity yet practices none is the poster child for hypocrisy. For me, I lve everyone but have no room for whiners in my life.

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  43. Walt Avatar
    Walt

    3000 views?
    I claim “fake news”. A glitch from the fiber optic cutting.

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  44. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: BunBun | 30 September 2017 at 11:27 AM
    ….the ratio of races on Mill St. were proportional to the demographics. DuH!
    Usually something this stupid I expect from jeffy. DuH!
    Congrats…you remain the “poster child” for not getting it!
    Your march….. a “Daily Show” segment! No matter how much the Frischenator tries to tart it up in flowery emotional language. If it happens in a “Red” voting county John Oliver is going on about it being 2017!
    Current year dude…current year!

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  45. Walt Avatar
    Walt

    Trump lets another dog off the leash.
    https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2017-09-29/in-libya-strike-military-shows-new-lethal-powers-under-trump

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  46. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    BooBoo 1127
    Just can’t get anything past you, can I? [snicker]
    fish 1204
    exactly right
    Todd 1149
    Frisch’s staff is even whiter than before, having lost a person of some color in the past month. Down to a total of, by my eyeballs, one. But Frisch will say all the right things and not pay for his company’s hiring practices. Steve… have you ever even hired a black person (meaning more African DNA than Liz Warren has native American DNA)?

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  47. Walt Avatar
    Walt

    I’m beginning to believe they are running a TROLL boiler room
    Doug and friends seem to be spamming the comment world at the Daily Caller and Breitbart. Same styles. Plenty of rude comments an NO answers to any questions.
    One can’t be doing it all. Unless some voice writing system is in use. Four TROLL accounts going at the same time.

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  48. fish Avatar
    fish

    Godspeed Monte……let us know what’s behind Door #3!
    http://www.sfgate.com/entertainment/the-wrap/article/Monty-Hall-Let-s-Make-a-Deal-Host-Dies-12243606.php

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  49. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    I am not sure if this is fodder for a new thread in sandbox or worthy of its own conversation some time in the future but I am fascinated by the new alliance of Kissinger and Bannon. That they are both saying that the issue of intellectual property theft, especially the forced variety by China must be fixed now or there will be WAR. They are talking about the real world cost of that theft from the US at $3.5 Trillion over the last 10 years. 😉

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  50. George Rebane Avatar
    George Rebane

    DonB 733pm – Kissinger and Bannon are right. China’s thievery of technology has been the prime mover for their economy for the last twenty years. And now we are buying chips from them to put into our military systems – insanity.

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