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149 responses to “Sandbox – 29sep17”

  1. fish Avatar
    fish

    ….and in other news…..entitled white woman offers mindless platitude in an attempt to stay relevant.
    Now here’s Bob with the weather.

    “We’re With You” – Hillary Clinton Backs San Juan Mayor

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-01/were-you-hillary-clinton-backs-san-juan-mayor-trump-trashes-politically-motivated-in

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  2. Walt Avatar

    Remember “Let’s make a deal.”?
    Monty chose the box this time.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/30/obituaries/monty-hall-dead-lets-make-a-deal.html

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  3. fish Avatar
    fish

    Monty chose the box this time.
    Well Mr. Branson……you can just drive down and clean the coffee off my monitor and out of my keyboard!

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  4. George Rebane Avatar

    Administrivia – For the record, any outrageously effective humor introduced on these pages (e.g. Walt’s 858am) that has subsequent commercial value, RR will be first in line to receive an agency fee 😉

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  5. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Maybe Canada will change its immigration policies? Terror!
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4586556/edmonton-terror-attack-canada-car-cop-injured/

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  6. Walt Avatar

    Just doing my part… Your Welcome.

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  7. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Paul, when you come back, please do let us know how many of those 1300 kids would have been saved were your idea about registering every firearm been put into action, no matter the cost per gun or the number of guns hidden from the process by folks who don’t trust the keepers of the list. Oh, and the fact that people forbidden guns, like felons and the adjudicated mentally unfit, can’t be compelled to register any firearms they possess illegally.
    One source suggests there are 270 million firearms in the USA spread amongst 80 million gun owners. What would those numbers be in Paul’s ideal world?

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  8. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    Aw Gregory just let sleeping druids lie. 😉

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  9. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Pelline is trying to divide our community again in that incident on Mill Street. Why would he come here if he can’t stand anyone?

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  10. fish Avatar
    fish

    KASICH: I might quit Republican party…

    You’re a member of the Republican Party John?
    Hmmm…..who knew?!
    https://www.axios.com/kasich-if-gop-cant-be-fixed-i-cant-support-it-2491654687.html

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  11. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    Will he please take McCain with him @ 249. 😉

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  12. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    No rest for Paul.
    Checking Peeline’s, there is a post by a father about the harassment of his kid going to and from the high school being repeatedly ignored despite being racially motivated, forcing them to spend $300 a month getting alternative transportation… but Asian kids aren’t covered by the group angst in Grass Valley.

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  13. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    I have received a communication from a person who thinks the incident on Mill Street is BS. Th parents are BLM and Kapernick fans. Hmmm.

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  14. rl crabb Avatar

    Was it mental telepathy, Todd, or carrier pigeon?

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  15. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Huh?

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  16. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Crabbman, what an asinine thing to write, not that Todd was in a particularly good space, either.
    It’s criminal to harass a kid on their way to and from school, and often criminal to harass a kid in other spaces, too. I’d like coverage in The Union that would take it seriously, not just as a nice walk in solidarity with the family. What does the police report say?
    Then there’s Mr. Lincoln Okada on the FUE’s blog this morning charging he complained about racial harassment of his son to the high school three years ago to no satisfaction and he had to work around the problem, which has cost him $21k out of pocket… it seems Asians are fair game, or so it appears to that dad.
    Yes, “social media” is changing the way we get news. Not always for the better. To others with problems with local schools it pains me to say they don’t take you seriously unless you have an education lawyer on retainer.

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  17. Bonnie McGuire Avatar

    Love this site because of the interesting, mostly intelligent comments. I was born and raised here and love it. My favorite cousins lived in the Bay Area. We spent lots of time visiting back and forth. The children’s story about the country and city mice was obvious. They had no idea of rural life meant…I had to remind the one cousin that there are people like him living and walking in the woods so he couldn’t use his gun target practicing wherever. As an adult Sacramento County had our sawmill business take part restoring an old historic ranch so that school children and tourists would understand where their food came from. Thomas Jefferson remarked that when America developed big cities we’d suffer the same problems as Europe. The loss of recognition of where the basic needs of life come from. The most looked down upon people of the world are the most important, because without food, everything comes to nothing. By the way, my Uncle was a physician and surgeon, and his daughter became a medical doctor open to alternative medical treatment to help those ordinary medical procedures didn’t help. Why do I write this? Because I’ve lived here all my life and have seen the spiritual locusts swarming here because they cannot stand the intellectual utopia they created in the city…but are repeating here. Historically this has always been the case with emigrants, because old habits are hard to break…it’s what they’re used to. So before long they remake their new home into what they left behind.

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  18. Russ Avatar

    It might be better if the kids stayed home from school, they are not learning much there. I looked at the Common Core testing scores for the Nevada Union Juniors
    In Math 47% failed to meet the standard, 23% nearly meet the standard, 20 % met the standard and 10% exceeded the standard.
    In English Language Arts/Literacy 21% failed to meet the standard, 23% nearly met the standard, 32% met the standard, and 23% exceeded the standard.
    You can check out the other schools here using an interactive search engine HERE: http://caaspp.cde.ca.gov/sb2015/Search

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  19. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    In other news below the radar, Milo got married. The black editor is not happy.
    http://www.theroot.com/milo-yiannopoulos-married-a-black-man-1819052191

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  20. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    ISIS is claiming the shooter converted to Islam and they are claiming responsibility. We will see.

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  21. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Bill Tozer | 02 October 2017 at 07:35 AM
    I didn’t think there was room for anybody in Milos life except for………Milo.

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  22. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    What a great guy our President is.
    Trump Dedicates Golf Trophy To Hurricane Victims
    “And we’re going to dedicate this trophy to all of those people that went through so much that we love, a part of our great state, really a part of our great nation,” he added, before pivoting to talking about golf. “And I’ll tell you what ― I’ve been watching this thing from the beginning. And I have to say, our Team USA, wow, did you play well.”
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-dedicates-golf-trophy-to-hurricane-victims_us_59d16811e4b05f005d3509cc?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009

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  23. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Paul 959am, you’ve skipped over a couple questions about the topic you raised recently… how many of those 1300 kids you’re heartbroken over would be alive were your solution of registering every gun implemented?

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  24. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Meanwhile, most of the usual suspects over at Pelline’s have followed his fat KFC-stained fingers dipping into the blood before the victims in Vegas have stopped bleeding.

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  25. Robert Cross Avatar
    Robert Cross

    FYI Todd, in case you have missed it.. ISIS claims responsibility for every mass murder and terrorist attack in the world no matter who did it or why. Your rampant hatred of all things Islam distorts your perception. Claiming that the racist incident in Grass Valley was BS is BS and trying to make it a leftist conspiracy of some sort or another is idiotic beyond belief. Your divisiveness is part of the problem not part of the solution.

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  26. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Don’t have an exact number Gregory but if everyone who owned a gun knew it would be traceable to them as an owner it would make gun owners more conscious of keeping them away from children. Should be a pretty severe penalty.

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  27. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Robert Cross | 02 October 2017 at 10:56 AM
    Your divisiveness is part of the problem not part of the solution.

    ….thanks Bobby.

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  28. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Robert Cross | 02 October 2017 at 10:56 AM
    You are spreading fake news BobbieC! I never said the incident in GV was BS. I said I received a communication bby someone else that said it could be. And hatred of Islam? No I hate ISIS. Apparently, you like ISIS then according to yur post. And a study showed only one incident that ISIS took credit for that was not theirs. You really are a dirtbag BobbieC.

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  29. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    “Don’t have an exact number Gregory but if everyone who owned a gun knew it would be traceable to them as an owner it would make gun owners more conscious of keeping them away from children. Should be a pretty severe penalty.”
    In other words – it won’t prevent any of the deaths he claims he cares about.
    The lefts’ answer to everything – make some one else do something so that we lefties can enjoy our virtue signalling. Doesn’t solve any problem at all, but it makes the left feel better.
    Does Paul have the stats on how many kids that bring guns to school even have an adult that can be linked to the child as a responsible parent or guardian? If so – why wasn’t the person aware of what the child was bringing to school?
    How many times has there been a death at a school because a child has brought a gun and the gun was untraceable?
    Until these stats are presented, Paul – you have nothing.

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  30. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Sure it would save lives Scott. You are ignorant to say it won’t. What is the value of one childs life that could be saved by gun registration.=?

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  31. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    What about your ilk getting DDT out of Africa Paul Emery. Millions of kids have died. And you could care less. What is the value of one little black child in the Emery book?

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  32. Robert Cross Avatar
    Robert Cross

    OK Todd, you didn’t say it was BS you just passed on BS without checking it out first. That makes you FAKE NEWS. To say that I like ISIS is total bullshit without any merit and based in nothing, Todd. Typical playground bully trying to put your words in other people’s mouths to make some kind of response to support your BS claims. What study about ISIS taking responsibility was that Todd, please provide a link to a reliable source, or is that just another BS Todd fake news claim? You really are stupid Todd and it shows every time you open your mouth.
    You’re welcome Fishy– Just calling it like it is.. you know.. if the shoe fits.. again.

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  33. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    As long as you are waxing hypothetically, Paul, if the “child” whose life is saved is the triggerman for a number of gang murders… can there be a benefit to that?
    In other words, Paul… it’s an important problem and you think WE gotta do SOMETHING, yet another half-baked scheme that’s “common sense” based. We’ve been going down the road you’re pointing to for the past 80 years and the problem of senseless violence involving firearms keeps getting worse and worse and worse.
    Paul, the gun registration scheme you envision will make criminals out of the otherwise law abiding, AND IT EXEMPTS ALL THE PEOPLE WHO ARE FORBIDDEN BY LAW TO POSSESS GUNS IN THE FIRST PLACE who, if they have a gun, it’s very possibly stolen in the first place. It’s that pesky 5th amendment… you can’t criminalize the act of not turning yourself in for a criminal act. You have the right to remain silent… remember?

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  34. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    So what ideas do you have Gregory to reduce the number of accidental deaths to children from guns?

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  35. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    It’s quiz time for Paul… what’s the law in California about the responsibility for the misuse of a gun in the hands of a minor?

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  36. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    YOu are talking about CAP (child access prevention) lavs. California is one of 8 States Imposing criminal liability for allowing a child to gain access to the Firearm, regardless of whether the child Uses the firearm or causes Injury. Do you support that legislation?

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  37. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Enforcing the laws on the books, Paul. What are they in California?

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  38. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Aaah, so after the fact you’ve actually looked up the laws on the books. Good.
    Even after the law was in place here in the formerly Golden State, some DA’s haven’t had the heart to charge grieving parents whose child killed themselves with a poorly secured gun. The fact is (any lawyers out there?) that every gun improperly stored firearm that is taken and used by a child could be considered an act of negligent or criminal negligence even without the specific statute.

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  39. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    I knew the law Gregory. I was just making it available to you for your convenience. Personally I’m for much stricter and well enforced laws.

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  40. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    LOL Paul 12:22, just because you’re ignorant of the gun storage laws (and transport, and carry, and sales, transfers etc) in California doesn’t mean I am or have been.

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  41. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Paul, you just want those icky guns to go away. Except for yours.

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  42. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    I assume O’Reilly’s view of the Vegas Slaughter is consistent with most RR contributors
    “This is the price of freedom.”
    According to O’Reilly, “Violent nuts are allowed to roam free until they do damage, no matter how threatening they are.”

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  43. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    “Minority Report” is science fiction, Paul. In the case of the Vegas shooter it’s unclear anyone thought the guy was a violent nutcase before he cracked.

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  44. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Don’t have any guns Gregory

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  45. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Minority Report Gregory? what does that have to do with anything?

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  46. George Rebane Avatar

    Administrivia – I invite the gun debate to continue under ‘Gun Violence’ – girding for the next chapter.
    http://rebaneruminations.typepad.com/rebanes_ruminations/2017/10/gun-violence-girding-for-the-next-chapter.html

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