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George Rebane

[This post invites the continuation of the lively comment thread on the expression/suppression of ideas that started in the 10aug17 Sandbox.]

So what happened yesterday in Charlottesville?  We know that a coalition of white supremacists got a permit to demonstrate against the relocation of a Confederate statue, and that leftwing counter demonstrators showed up to protest the protest.  Violence ensued – instigation unknown, results tragic.  Megaphones from all sides have now blared into action.  From the Left and lamestream, the answer to all questions is again unimaginably simple – it was once more the fault of the ‘rightwing racists’ who were egged on by Trump.

And the remedy for it all is even simpler – use government force to deny those deemed racist, nationalist, etc the right to demonstrate in public forums.  Even such good Christians such as Dean Ashford at Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary (here) and rightwing national commentator Erick Erickson (here) promote such a response to outlier thought and speech.

Before any left-leaning readers get their undies in a bundle, let’s first dispose of the race issue – RR, nor any of its readers to my knowledge, espouse the notion that one race or another is superior.  Counter arguments to this – such as ‘yes, but we know what you really think’ – have been made by leftwingers with bankrupt debating skills, and, no doubt, will be made by them again.  However, RR has strongly argued that cultures are not only different, but also of varying nature as to the quality of life they have provided and continue to provide for their adherents.

As stated here many times – I am a child, student, and defender of Western culture.  Western culture is not static, and has benefited greatly through its liberal mien, over the years by adopting ‘best practices’ from other cultures with which it has come into contact.  And I also believe that people all over the world, who have adopted major tenets of western culture, to that extent they have benefited and enriched their lives.  But today Western culture is suffering a purposed collapse, and the reactionary white supremacists are abetting this downward spiral.  Erickson’s wider appraisal is here germane –

The regressive ideas of the white supremacists in Charlottesville have no place in America any more than the censorious totalitarianism on display last week at Google. They are all from the same strain of secular uncertainty rising as Western cultural certainties collapse.

But to be productive, these debates/discussions should attempt to achieve a common understanding of what ideas can be professed, and by whom in public forums (which include the online media) and in the workplace.  To me the First Amendment prohibits the suppression of free speech, especially ‘speech’ deemed unpopular, by the government AND by citizens who are offended by such speech – that is simply the cost of doing the business of maintaining our American republic.

It is through the open competition of ideas that western culture flowered and continues to increase our enlightenment, and the enlightenment of all societies.  And it is through the suppression of peaceful competition of all kinds – including in the arena of ideas – that will sound the death knell of western culture.  (more later)

[update] Well, this little missive has drawn a bit of ire from our neighbors on our left.  I received an email quoting one of their leading intellectual lights demonstrating his knowledge of American history by taking to task the content of my opening paragraphs.   Thereof he claims that I have written “a bunch of alt-right revisionist, great divide driving, bastardization of American history.”  Fortunately, for the sake of expediency, the depth of his reasoning is both flawed and shallow.  Starting with the name of the 1860-65 conflict, the man has little knowledge of the century plus debate in the learned circles of our academe about the true nature of what the various factions of the South and North sought to achieve.  Here is a reference from Wikipedia citing the legion of authors who have discussed and debated the affair.  Given his age and many responsibilities, I really don’t know how to advise the man about remediating his education, especially concerning his views about the bastardization of American history.

[14aug17 update]  ‘Why were the police held back in Chalottesville?’ is being asked by people concerned about the conduct of the authorities during last weekend’s demonstrations.  Actually, there is a large faction in the country that is not asking, does not want to know, and/or already knows.  The answer to the question is not all that hard to puzzle out – just think about who benefitted from the police being ordered to stand down to let the counter demonstrators confront the white nationalist demonstrators.  When this Virginia town’s response is compared to what has happened in other towns like Berkeley, it is clear that Democrat authorities are now basing their use of police intervention on first satisfying their political agendas.  Strongly invite evidence to the contrary.

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201 responses to “Charlottesville – harbinger or just a temperature reading? [updated 14aug17]”

  1. ScenesFromTheApocalypse Avatar
    ScenesFromTheApocalypse

    re: Paul@6:55PM
    “So you guys actually do believe in White Genocide. My oh my.”
    Oh, don’t be such a horrid little man. You’re the only one even bringing it up.
    I realize that prodding everyone in Fight Club with baseless accusations is fun, but good Lord man, providing no insights, not actually being for anything, and the constant name calling with Todd doesn’t become a 10 year old, much less someone over 60.
    In other news. I see that Alex Jones has decided that the Challenger is a false flag operation while democraticunderground has declared that the “Trump White House is a Terrorist Operation”. Life goes on as before.

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  2. Walt Avatar

    Better take those sandals off before going in the house Paul,, you REALLY stepped in it this time.

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  3. ScenesFromTheApocalypse Avatar
    ScenesFromTheApocalypse

    Say, here’s an interesting angle to the Charlottesville situation.
    The mainstreaming of doxing.
    https://nypost.com/2017/08/13/white-nationalists-are-being-ousted-on-twitter-and-one-lost-his-job/
    https://twitter.com/YesYoureRacist
    https://twitter.com/NewNowNext/status/896751461815779328
    Even Tucker Carlson’s craziest guest ever is involved.
    https://twitter.com/kurteichenwald/status/896844015424999425
    So, do they start dressing up like street Democrats next? How do you tell them apart? We’ll probably start seeing a bit more emphasis on uniforms/regalia/flags/symbology.

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  4. ScenesFromTheApocalypse Avatar
    ScenesFromTheApocalypse

    re: Me@8:24PM
    Wow. Pretty wild. Someone has found out who is behind the ‘yesyoureracist’ twitter feed, and is publish their name/phone number/address/job/etc/etc and the same for the guy’s wife, parents, wife’s parents. I won’t post the image since I think that sort of thing is downright evil.
    It’s really interesting to watch the tactics of an essentially non-violent civil war evolve so quickly. I wonder what the endgame of that kind of thing turns out to be.

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  5. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    That’s correct Todd He believes genocide is being enacted on the whites and that means “The deliberate killing of a large group of people (whites), especially those of a particular ethnic group or nation.” Amazing that you actually support those that believe that.

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  6. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    From Meet the Press today. Signer nailed it.
    “Michael Signer, the Democratic mayor of Charlottesville, Virginia, slammed President Donald Trump’s “repeated failure” to condemn white supremacist groups, saying the nation isn’t “seeing leadership from the White House” on the issue.
    “Look at the campaign he ran. Look at the intentional courting … on the one hand, of all of these white supremacists, white nationalist groups,” Signer said Sunday on CNN’s “State of the Union” as he discussed the deadly violence that afflicted his city on Saturday sparked by a “Unite the Right” rally.
    “And then look on the other hand at the repeated failure to step up and condemn, denounce, silence, put to bed, all of those different efforts just like we saw yesterday. This is not hard,” he said.
    “There are two words that need to be said over and over again ― domestic terrorism and white supremacy,” he said.

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  7. ScenesFromTheApocalypse Avatar
    ScenesFromTheApocalypse

    Just a bit of interesting video.
    Some of the protesters being bottlenecked by police by some peaceful counter-protesters.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzhqO3iYlxk&feature=youtu.be&t=3104
    I never really thought of a gauntlet as a form of crowd control. Maybe it’s a Virginia thing.

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  8. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    The po’ ol’ fakenewsman should stop being the party parrot for a second and start asking the hard questions about the very odd behavior of his honor the mayors police force @ 909 in sending the two groups toward each other and standing down. Reports are sounding like the good mayor encouraged the scumbag antifa/blm to attack the Nazis/clan scumbags. This could make for some very interesting torts. 😉

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  9. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    Here’s Paul’s way to deal with reality:
    “There are two words that need to be said over and over again ― domestic terrorism and white supremacy,” he said.
    That’s right – just repeat certain words over and over again.
    Like a little puppet or a bobble head or a myna bird.
    Just repeat them over and over and over.
    Eventually you will believe them without the benefit of fact or reason.
    Just repeat certain words over and over and over and over.
    Good Lord – Paul is espousing hypnotic brain washing.
    The fact is that Trump did denounce violence and hate but Paul is just taking one toke after another and repeating certain words that he has been given over and over and over and over and over …
    The last line of ‘Brazil’ comes to mind – “he’s gone”.
    Bye bye Paul – too bad you couldn’t stay with us and have an adult conversation.
    The poor guy never could answer any question I put to him.
    A mind really is a terrible thing to waste.

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  10. fish Avatar
    fish

    “There are two words that need to be said over and over again ― domestic terrorism and white supremacy,” he said
    Tinfoil Depends…..! That’s two words Punch-E!

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  11. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Paul Emery | 13 August 2017 at 09:06 PM
    Honestly, you really need to get some mental help. You are now officially “unhinged”. And I already called your strategy before you did it. I said that by simply asking for a debate on this you would claim I and others are “for”it. Man, you are simply ill. So once again, tell us how you’re saying a man that says white people are being the victims of genocide makes him a purporter of genocide. Please help us understand your mental illness..
    And now that you are confessing your desire to see Kim Jong Un be tour President, we see your illness right there. Sorry man, get help.

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  12. ScenesFromTheApocalypse Avatar
    ScenesFromTheApocalypse

    “the good mayor ”
    At this point, I’d say that his next steps are governed by hard political reality.
    He’ll either get buried in accusations about letting things get out of hand, etc. or he can try to ride the dead people for a little political hay. He really doesn’t have any choice in the matter but to double down. ’twas always thus.
    Whether this whole situation has any more legs than the shooting of the Congressman, I couldn’t tell you. The only sure thing here I think is a continuing radicalization of some parts of the US Right. Why this might be is an interesting thing to think about.

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  13. ScenesFromTheApocalypse Avatar
    ScenesFromTheApocalypse

    re: Todd Juvinall@9:34
    “a man that says white people are being the victims of genocide makes him a purporter of genocide.”
    While there might be a version of Godwin’s Law there, at least by innuendo, my guess is that he was saying you are overstating the case.
    As a practical matter, those countries with the truly dangerous influxes from the Third World (Italy for instance) will never see native population replacement. I would expect social unrest to crank up well before then.

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  14. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    Well – at least now we have another meme for idiot left wingers
    “There are two words that need to be said over and over again ― domestic terrorism and white supremacy,” he said.
    That’s actually 5 words but counting the actual number proves whiteness and racial hatred.
    How stupid are these people?

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  15. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Good nite all!

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  16. ScenesFromTheApocalypse Avatar
    ScenesFromTheApocalypse

    A random tweet, should make for a good news cycle if accurate:
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHDt6RtV0AA3nBE?format=jpg
    If it’s true, there’ll have to be a doubling down on candlelight vigils. Who knows, wait a week for real news assuming there is any anymore.
    I figure that it was Putin. As the Green Libertarians say, “tell me about the Russians, George”.

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  17. ScenesFromTheApocalypse Avatar
    ScenesFromTheApocalypse
  18. ScenesFromTheApocalypse Avatar
    ScenesFromTheApocalypse

    Some jury is going to have to figure out what is going on in this guy’s mind. A pretty difficult task really.
    https://i.4cdn.org/pol/1502699044205.jpg

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  19. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Meanwhile the Daily Stormer thanks Trump for not singling out White Nationalists or Nazi’s .
    “He outright refused to disavow.
    People saying he cucked are shills and kikes.
    He did the opposite of cuck.
    He refused to even mention anything to do with us.
    When reporters were screaming at him about White Nationalism he just walked out of the room.”
    https://www.dailystormer.com/hate-on-many-sides-cnn-is-pissed-trump-didnt-denounce-white-nationalism/

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  20. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Paul Emery | 14 August 2017 at 09:12 AM
    I’m not sure what’s more pathetic, Green Libertardians trying to tie Trump to the neo Nazis or David Duke trying to glom on to this weekends shenanigans to get himself back in the news!
    Upon further reflection it seems that Duke was less idiotic than you Punch! At least he managed to get on TV this weekend.

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  21. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    For your reading pleasure, Trump drops 4 points in the Rasmussen Poll.
    Obviously Fish you have no concern with the comfort the Nazi’s and White Supremacists have with Trump as our President.

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  22. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Paul Emery | 14 August 2017 at 09:27 AM
    Punch the socialists/communists were overjoyed with Obama and praised him at every opportunity until they found out he was a wholly owned subsidiary of Big Bank! Did you expect him to answer for their early endorsements?
    And you would do well to remember that the difference between the Nazis and communists was that when it came to industrial level killing the Nazis were pikers compared to your progressive forebears!

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  23. George Rebane Avatar

    re fish 935am – and that point needs to be underlined. Communists and socialists even today are the leading killers of their own people. People claiming a Nazi heritage are insignificant in numbers, and truly useless idiots on the world scene whose actions do nothing but provide foci of congealed hate that the Left puts to excellent use to deflect attention from their own manifest sins.

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  24. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Trump just gave a presser and condemned all those white supremacist’s, neo NAZI’s and other hate groups. There, all done now, let’s move along. All the snowflakes will shut their pie holes, right? He did not say “antifa” or “black lives matter” though. Oh well, we on the right know he meant them too. LOL!

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  25. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: George Rebane | 14 August 2017 at 09:47 AM
    Imagine…..if they had only called it the “Peoples Republic of Germany” and mouthed the proper “for the people” platitudes, the Punch-E(s) of the world would have been perfectly sanguine about any excesses!
    …..Omelettes and eggs!

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  26. ScenesFromTheApocalypse Avatar
    ScenesFromTheApocalypse

    re: Nazis and Communists.
    As a practical matter they don’t seem to be too different, although the Nazis had snappier uniforms. The heart of the matter appears to be the Communist belief that your job and ownership of property will far outweigh allegiance to an ethnic group or culture. It’s kind of odd that non-religious people always seem to invent religions, but maybe it’s baked in the cake of humanity. Raw power wrapped up in the shroud of a belief system.
    In any case, back to C’ville. No comment needed:
    https://www.mediaite.com/online/one-of-the-men-arrested-in-charlottesville-was-a-counter-protestor-who-punched-a-female-reporter/

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  27. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    President Trump just held a presser and condemned the “white supremacists” “Neo-nazis” and the other who perpetrated the violence this weekend in Charlottesville, Virginia. He did this to stop the lying media who said he did not condemn them specifically. My goodness, the left-wing thugs who were there beating up marchers got a “specific pass” and yet the media says nothing. This exercise in the phony outrage of the lamestream media should open everyone’s eyes. The talking heads, even on FOX News Channel are spewing the same mumbo-jumbo. Trump originally condemned the violence by all, but that was not enough for the lamestream and now FOX. But we in the hinterlands know he covered this right. We have common sense. And we know the lamestream is simply a branch of the democrat party. Anything Trump says is parsed and picked apart and judged by these partisan “news” people. Sorry, we don’t believe you people and all you do is falling on deaf ears all across America.

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  28. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Thanks Fish for the reassurance that the Nazi’s were mere “pikers” compared to “progressive forbearers” when it comes to genocide. Unbelievable thing to say but here it is.

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  29. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: ScenesFromTheApocalypse | 14 August 2017 at 10:00 AM
    It’s kind of odd that non-religious people always seem to invent religions, but maybe it’s baked in the cake of humanity. Raw power wrapped up in the shroud of a belief system.

    They’re every bit as religious as the most fervent Christians among us.

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  30. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Paul Emery | 14 August 2017 at 10:04 AM
    I thought people of your generation were supposed to have been better educated Punch? Maybe not.

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  31. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Ghengis Khan killed some say 100 million people as the Mongols road to the gates of Warsaw. Paul Emery, would that have been considered genocide?

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  32. ScenesFromTheApocalypse Avatar
    ScenesFromTheApocalypse

    It would be cool if Paul moved his trolling road show over to the Sandbox thread.
    Thanks.
    I rather like this Assange post:
    https://twitter.com/JulianAssange/status/896777829580517376
    As I mentioned, what happens when they both move to masks. Confusion reigns.

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  33. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Todd
    Why are you defending Nazi’s?

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  34. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Paul Emery, why are you defending John Wayne Gacy?

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  35. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    The 20 year old driver in Charolette told a former teacher that he was on Schizophrenia drugs according to a former K-12 teacher of his. Makes sense. Once did a report on the effect of many of these anti-depression, Attention Deficient Disorder, and anti-psychotic drugs for a non-profit’s research. For fun and for free. Guess what? Come to find out that the FDA never ok’ed those drugs for minors, ever, and not recommended for non-adults. Bad side effects exasperated the problem in some, duh. That was over 20 years ago and now they pass them out like candy, but I digress again.
    Very troubled young man. Schizophrenia is serious mental illness, no laughing matter.
    Be that as it may, the Fake News Media will highlight and report that he was a Trump supporter. Trump loves Jew hating, Israel hating Nazi’s! Just like our Israel hating progressives. Nazis loved socialism, just like…..opps, another digression.
    The broadbrush has begun as easily predicted. Like shooting fish in a barrel Not all succulents are Cacti, but all Cacti are succulents. Not all whales are dolphins, but all dolphins are whales. Not all Muslims are terrorists, but all Trump supporters are Neo-Nazis! Lol. Paint 63 million voters as Nazis and tie us all to David Duke and General Lee. You could see this happen before it even happened. Oh, the order is wrong. First tie Trump to Neo-Nazis, then conservatives, then Dr. Rebane, the us lowly Deplorables.
    The Dems keep going back to their tattered playbook. Read the first paragraph, nevermind the second. I am surprised it was not buried in the second to last paragraph.
    http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/business/national-business/article166967412.html

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  36. ScenesFromTheApocalypse Avatar
    ScenesFromTheApocalypse

    An interesting angle:
    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/politics/ct-illinois-senate-neo-nazi-terrorist-organization-story.html
    I’m not quite sure what a terrorist is in this case, or how they define a neo-nazi, but it’s all good.

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  37. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Paul Emery | 14 August 2017 at 10:22 AM
    Why are you defending Nazi’s?

    He’s not Punch….!
    https://pjmedia.com/trending/2017/08/14/violent-antifa-protesters-try-to-shut-down-pro-trump-patriot-prayer-rally-in-seattle/
    Why haven’t you denounced these guys?? WHY WHY WHY?!
    (actually Punch I don’t really expect you to defend or decry the behavior of others. But I am digging seeing you move from your “Matlock” stand up routine to the j’accuse bit!)

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  38. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Oh my. This was the prelude to Charolette. I knew the weekend would get ugly.
    http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/08/14/newsweek-criticizes-melania-ivanka-trump-wearing-high-heels-public

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  39. George Rebane Avatar

    Re greatest killers of all time, I point you again to ‘Death by Government’ by RJ Rummel for the 1900-87 period. It is a bit dated because it does not contain the more recently established 100M+ Chinese who perished in Mao’s great Cultural Revolution, 1966-76. And, of course, the many thousands of civilians who have died since under totalitarian governments in their internal non-war/combat pogroms.
    “Death By Government: The Primary Fact of the 20th Century
    The late RJ Rummel revealed a daunting truth: Four times the number of persons were murdered by their governments than killed in warfare.”
    And all except a tiny fraction of those killed were by collectivist governments. Governments based on liberal democratic forms of governance promoting freedom, free enterprise, and the rule of law killed an insignificant number; almost all by executions subsequent to the exercise of their judicial systems. Government has been and promises to continue as the leading cause of violent purposive death on the planet.

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  40. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Todd
    Please explain why you are connecting me with Gacy. I’m scratching my head over that one.

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  41. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Oh because you don’t want him in a pillory or hung in the city square. You are a lover of murderers. A perfect example of you positions and likes.

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  42. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Todd
    Huhh?????
    Can anyone other than Todd help me understand what he’s trying to say. I fear Todd is leaving us.
    I don’t believe in Capital Punishment Todd.

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  43. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    I am using your logic, or I should say your lack of, to show how absurd you are. Thanks for making it so easy.

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  44. ScenesFromTheApocalypse Avatar
    ScenesFromTheApocalypse

    re: Paul@11:15AM
    “Please explain why you are connecting me with Gacy. I’m scratching my head over that one.”
    Probably because you didn’t condemn Gacy quickly enough.
    Maybe it was that picture of him with Rosalynn Carter.
    In a nutshell:
    https://i.redd.it/s8p0awiyzqfz.jpg
    Oooh, check it out. Make sure that the Green Libertarians don’t put you on their enemies list.
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2017/08/14/charlottesville-nevada-student-defends-presence-rally/564472001/

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  45. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Paul Emery has never condemned Gacy. Or Ted Bundy, or Stalin. He is shameful.

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  46. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Amazing the minimalism of the Nazi’s and the Holocaust by some writers on thie blog. Why is it important to use comparative numbers of Hitler and Stalin? Where did that come from? Weird but mostly sad.

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  47. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Todd, are you defending Nazis?—Pablo Paunchy Punchy
    Fakenewsman, a you defending John Wayne Gary?—Todd
    Too funny. Somebody please help po pollin Punch-E connect the dots. I can’t stop laughing.

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  48. ScenesFromTheApocalypse Avatar
    ScenesFromTheApocalypse

    “Why is it important to use comparative numbers of Hitler and Stalin?”
    I’m not sure, as I mentioned in the thread where this kind of thing properly belongs instead of here, where you are polluting the conversation with nonsense. Hopefully this isn’t your MO in everyday life. Are you capable of writing seriously at all? At the very least, comb the web for articles that people wouldn’t normally run into. or write cleverly. or anything that justifies a use of oxygen.
    Given the Green Libertarians tendency to conflate Hitler, Trump, and Republicans into one big pot, I guess that it’s just self-defense to notice that there’s probably a portrait of Lenin and Stalin in any Democrat’s home. The Fascist = Republican meme is pretty handy since it allows those masked street fighters to beat on people willy nilly without a bit of thought in the matter.
    The funny thing is that, on average, the generation that fought and died dealing with fascism is far far more similar to grouchy old Republicans than any other modern group. Frankly, the Greatest Generation wouldn’t know what to make of a modern SJW, but times do change, just not always for the better.

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  49. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Paul Emery | 14 August 2017 at 12:21 PM
    It’s like I said upthread…..if the 3rd reich had been called “The Peoples Republic of Germany” and had spouted the slogans of which you approve you would have been an enthusiastic Nazi Punch-E!
    That’s what’s sad.

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