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193 responses to “Sandbox – 11jul17”

  1. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    Ahhhhhh fresh clean kitty litter, that’s not going to last long. 😉

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  2. Bob Hobert Avatar
    Bob Hobert

    Wilco as soon as I master all of that.

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  3. George Rebane Avatar

    In other words, if I post something on topic X, don’t contribute your comments on X under topic Y or in the last sandbox. Capice?

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  4. ScenesFromTheApocalypse Avatar
    ScenesFromTheApocalypse

    https://i.redd.it/1ljbzlat319z.jpg
    A bit of money for The Wall.

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  5. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    The Trumplet really blew it. Of course big daddy didn’t know. Even conservative commentator Charles Krauthammer can’t put a smiley on it.
    ” Contributing editor to the conservative Weekly Standard and Fox News panelist has blasted the defense being offered for the actions of Donald Trump, Jr.
    Charles Krauthammer appeared Tuesday on “The Story” with Martha MacCallum and blasted President Donald Trump’s namesake child for his meeting with Kremlin-linked Russian lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya.
    “If you get a call to go to a certain place in the middle of the night to pick up stolen goods, and it turns out stolen goods don’t show up but the cops show up, I think you’re going to have a weak story saying, ‘well, I got swindled here,’” Krauthammer explained.
    “The denial of collusion is very weak right now because it looks as if Don Junior was receptive to receiving this information,” Krauthammer explained. “It’s a hell of a defense to say your collusion wasn’t competent and it didn’t work out.”
    “Come on, that is pathetic,” Krauthamer said of those making excuses for Trump, Jr.
    http://www.rawstory.com/2017/07/pathetic-foxs-krauthammer-shreds-conservatives-for-pretending-trump-jr-wasnt-colluding-with-russians/

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  6. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    No Paul Emery, nothing to see. All a fantasy by the Trump haters.

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  7. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Todd is Charles Krauthammer a Trump hater ?

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  8. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Yes he opposed Trump.

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  9. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    You didn’t support until the very end toddlers Who supported some loser governor from Wisconsin or the Midwest or something like that

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  10. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Meant to say You didn’t support tromp till the very end Todd. You supported ………

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  11. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Paul Emery 925
    I supported Scott Walker as I knew him and he did a great job in Wisconsin. But he could not raise the money and was one of the first to drop out. What has that to do with CharlesK? You really are unhinged.

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  12. ScenesFromTheApocalypse Avatar
    ScenesFromTheApocalypse

    Hang on a sec, this nothingburger is all about how Trump Jr. was willing to meet a lawyer who he thought was connected somehow to the Russians who might have some dirt on Hillary? I think that releasing the e-mail chain was a good thing. Basically, you are getting treated to a written record of what is essentially a spoken conversation. Stick a mic on anyone for a year and see what you come up with.
    God knows what dirt the Russians actually have on Hillary. I expect that it’s more than some nonsense about her file handling capabilities or her main aide’s ties to the more exotic parts of Arab politics. lol. Just think about how deeply the Saudis or AIPAC are burrowed into US politics, the Russians have barely scratched the surface.
    My own guess is that the intelligence agencies on both ‘sides’ (although it’s hard to view the Russians as the other side, the US has little to fight with them over and they are a small, resource-oriented, economic power) have so much dirt that a form of MAD is in effect. If they really let loose, the same would happen here. The end game is that the NSA/GRU actually end up running the whole show since they can blackmail anybody.

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  13. ScenesFromTheApocalypse Avatar
    ScenesFromTheApocalypse

    re: Walt@10:19PM
    I had seen that from a different source. It would be easy to come to the conclusion that this whole Russian narrative was cooked up in the waning days of the Obama administration as a kind of counter-battery fire. That’s my own suspicion, but it’s nothing beyond that. The Paul serves as a kind of reminder of how unhealthy it is to build world views from looking at a little screen in a rural area.
    Given that all the political firepower has been applied to the Russians-Are-Coming! fuss, you can argue that it has backfired. Someone with a novel approach to government (unlike the other Republican candidates) is off doing their thing while all the attention is still on campaign behaviors.

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  14. ScenesFromTheApocalypse Avatar
    ScenesFromTheApocalypse

    …finally, one bummer is that now I have to hear about the whole Chalupa/Ukraine/Clinton deal one more time. Team Red will drag it out again, Team Blue will explain how it’s really really different, blah blah blah.
    One conclusion you can reach is that the media (and the people breathlessly hanging onto this Russiagate stuff) are children. When you are running for emperor, the amount of oppositions research and general dirty doings is phenomenal. Older lineages of power (like the Bush family or Clintons) will have more opportunities due to the hooks they have into the nomenklatura.
    Better to argue about policy matters, but at the heart of it my gut feeling is that this is all a fight between the champions and the enemies of Western Civilization. The rest is just details.

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  15. Russ Avatar

    POLITICO/Morning Consult poll asked voters how credible they consider the information they get from various media outlets – and from the president himself.
    Here’s the rundown:
    The White House: 21% very // 31% somewhat // 18% not too // 19% not at all
    President Donald Trump: 22% very // 24% somewhat // 13% not too // 33% not at all
    CNN: 26% very credible // 28% somewhat credible // 14% not too credible // 23% not credible at all
    Fox News: 24% very // 31% somewhat // 18% not too // 19% not at all
    MSNBC: 23% very // 31% somewhat // 15% not too // 19% not at all
    Washington Post: 24% very // 32% somewhat // 14% not too // 15% not at all
    New York Times: 26% very // 31% somewhat // 14% not too // 16% not at all
    Wall Street Journal: 26% very // 36% somewhat // 14% not too // 11% not at all
    ABC News: 28% very // 34% somewhat // 15% not too // 12% not at all
    NBC News: 27% very // 34% somewhat // 16% not too // 13% not at all
    CBS News: 27% very // 35% somewhat // 15% not too // 12% not at all
    PBS: 29% very // 34% somewhat // 13% not too // 9% not at all

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  16. George Rebane Avatar

    Scenes 634am – Our guts are flying in tight formation 😉

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  17. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Just a note that Trump has the lowest of all sources. PBS is the highest.
    Quick observation

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  18. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    SCenes
    God knows what dirt the Russians have on Trump. that’s what it’s really all about. Hillary is not important and is nothing of importance. Trump is our President

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  19. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Scenes, why are you obsessed with Hillary? Have you heard, she lost the election

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  20. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE 904am – You may have nailed it Paul. Since none of the other investigations have or are likely to produce any evidence of wrongdoing, perhaps they should shift their efforts to a house of God and beseech the Lord for divine revelation on the matter. This is known as the Hail Mary option.

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  21. Michael R. Kesti Avatar
    Michael R. Kesti

    Paul Emery 12 July 17 09:05 AM
    I did not previously know that losing a presidential election earned a pass on violating federal law.

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  22. ScenesFromTheApocalypse Avatar
    ScenesFromTheApocalypse

    “Scenes, why are you obsessed with Hillary? Have you heard, she lost the election”
    Looking back at the comments here, it’s because Trump Jr. was interested in ‘the dirt on Hillary’, which is the story of the day. I also noted, just as an aside, that their intelligence services are good enough that they probably have far far more damaging things than the trivial shenanigans that came up in the campaign. I also noted that both sides are likely to own weapons grade dirt and that they are held in reserve for an all-out propaganda conflict. If that is what you consider to be obsessed, than either I have to apologize, or perhaps you should try reading the GD comments before your Tourette’s syndrome kicks in for one of your ever-insightful posts.

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  23. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Scenes
    The huge danger is that the Russians have a book on Trump and can blackmail him at any time. Do you have any doubt that the Russians have intensive information on Trump and his family that they can trot out any time they want?
    Michael, you are right. Why do you think they have not taken any action on Hillary.

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  24. Michael R. Kesti Avatar
    Michael R. Kesti

    Paul Emery 12July17 09:37 AM
    I don’t know why, Paul, as I’ve never taken a tarmac meeting with her husband.
    I am far more certain of Hillary’s guilt than I am that the Russians have blackmailable dirt on Trump.

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  25. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Michael R. Kesti | 12 July 2017 at 09:49 AM
    Watch for incoming “But I voted for Pat Paulsen….err….Gary Johnson disclaimer in mere seconds.

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  26. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Michael Specifically what crimes do you believe Hillary is guilty of?

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  27. Michael R. Kesti Avatar
    Michael R. Kesti

    Paul Emery 12July17 09:57 AM
    U.S. Code, Title 18, Part I, Chapter 101, Section 2071, Paragraph (a)

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  28. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Don’t have time to look that up. Can you summarize?

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  29. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Here Paul Emery, really tough to copy/paste through Google.
    “(a) Whoever willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, or destroys, or attempts to do so, or, with intent to do so takes and carries away any record, proceeding, map, book, paper, document, or other thing, filed or deposited with any clerk or officer of any court of the United States, or in any public office, or with any judicial or public officer of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.”

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  30. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Michael R. Kesti | 12 July 2017 at 10:01 AM
    Don’t do it Michael……don’t fall into the Punchy McFreeclinic question rodeo/rope a dope!

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  31. George Rebane Avatar

    Amazing that at this stage people are still ignorant of what criminal acts Saint Hillary did during the campaign, and the many things of which she has consequently been totally absolved – her halo remains untarnished in the eyes of those who will not see.

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  32. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Thanks Michael
    Of course they have to show intent to commit a crime which is always the weasel out ot these matters. I was not a Hillary supporter but criminal intent is a hill to climb when going after a public official. I learned that when I brought the Grass Valley School Board to the Grand Jury for obvious violations of the Brown Act. The Grand Jury agreed with me but saw no criminal intent and refused to refer it to the District Attorney.

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  33. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Fish
    whatever…it’s all good

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  34. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    George
    Why do you think the Trump administration has been so easy on Hillary? It was Trump who led the charge “lock her up” They have perused nothing as far as I can tell.

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  35. ScenesFromTheApocalypse Avatar
    ScenesFromTheApocalypse

    “The huge danger is that the Russians have a book on Trump and can blackmail him at any time. Do you have any doubt that the Russians have intensive information on Trump and his family that they can trot out any time they want?”
    Absolutely. They have the goods on any major political figure. An exception might be someone who is outright crazy (and may well live a faultless life) like Ralph Nader.
    Do you think that the US has a ‘book on Putin’? Bank transfers, girl friends, recordings? Any other Russian political figures? Chinese? Nigerian?
    This is my whole point. What you are hearing about is trivial and (because of that) is probably not state-backed. Seriously, I don’t know how much more clear I can be, this is not a subtle point.
    I’m starting to think that a turnip truck just drove through town.
    In related news, I rather liked this rant by someone:
    https://i.imgur.com/MvNbKh7.png

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  36. Walt Avatar

    Get the news? The fire tax may be going away.(sort of….
    http://www.breitbart.com/california/2017/07/12/brown-quietly-repeals-controversial-fire-tax-while-democrats-blame-trump-for-californias-wildfires/
    And a question to the nevertrumpers,, Care to show proof that Trump set the fires in Ca.?

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  37. ScenesFromTheApocalypse Avatar
    ScenesFromTheApocalypse

    re: GeorgeR@10:28AM
    In a country where a rule of law was applied to highly influential people, she and hubby would have been in the hoosegow years ago. Outside of somewhere like (maybe) Iceland or possibly modern Switzerland, I’m not sure that that country ever existed.
    The real value of this last campaign was tremendous I think. It was finally made obvious to the proles that the fix is always in and that mass media is highly biased. Building up an immune system against political reporting looks to be a precious new commodity. There are huge new opportunities in the op-ed space, given that the NYT appears to have no more gravitas than the KVMR news empire.
    What I’d love to see, and I’ll include myself in this, is for people to build up domain knowledge in things they pontificate on. Saying that the US should ‘have a health system just like Denmark and Singapore’ show an almost willful lack of the reality on the ground. Climate science is another canonical example of this, of course.

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  38. Walt Avatar

    Have a Lefty college kid? Even worse,, a snowflake college brat?
    Pass this along.
    http://www.dcstatesman.com/snowflake-student-makes-major-demand-employers-dress-code-gets-shocking-response-next-day/
    The real world has a surprise for them.

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  39. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    @ 10:29 am
    Congress wrote a specifically target statute to elimaite intent from the equation. Simply possessing classified materials off premises is in itself a crime. Copying off site it is a crime, Huma and Hillary’s housekeeper. Among others. One of the few laws where intent is not necessary to prove, making Comey’s conclusion that Clinton was so inept, sloppy,, ignorant of Internet matters,, and so careless that nobody could prove intent. But, that’s BS. Intent did not have to proven. The Grand Jury should have been convened.. A penalty of violating the Espionage Act is it disqualifies the person from holding public office (Federal) again. The Espionage Act is not simply the part we are familiar with.
    But, you knew all that I bet. Look before you leap.

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  40. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE 1041am – That was then, this is now – Hillary’s fate is inconsequential to the current order of things. And her book can always be re-opened if/when things get boring; today there are other fish to fry and bullets to dodge.
    Scenes 1059am – Agreed.

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  41. Michael R. Kesti Avatar
    Michael R. Kesti

    Paul Emery 12July17 10:29 AM
    “Of course they have to show intent to commit a crime…”
    1) Can you support this requirement?
    2) So, you don’t deny that she did the crime?

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  42. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    More fallout from the Conservative press on the escapades of the Trumplett
    The New York Post’s editorial board offered a blunt response to Tuesday’s bombshell news about the president’s eldest son: “Donald Trump Jr. is an idiot.”

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  43. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Paul Emery | 12 July 2017 at 10:39 AM
    Fish
    whatever…it’s all good

    Indeed it is Punchy…..indeed it is!

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  44. ScenesFromTheApocalypse Avatar
    ScenesFromTheApocalypse

    lol…and I see that 4chan is on the loose:
    https://imgur.com/a/jlpDY
    Perfect. Gotta watch them Russian agents you know, you never know what they’ll be up to.
    Plus, poll o’ the day:
    “Democrats have a huge leadership void heading towards the 2020 Presidential Elections”
    https://delphianalytica.org/2017/07/09/dem2020/
    Oh jeez, yet more collusions.
    https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/885001097420697606

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  45. Walt Avatar

    LIBS can talk to the Russians but not a Trump… Got it.
    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jul/11/democrats-spread-false-russian-information-on-trum/
    Kinda like when CNN said only “they” can look at leaked Clinton info, so only “they” can tell you what it said. Nope,, it was illegal(according to CNN) for you or me to read that info online.
    Yes, it’s OK for the DNC to collude with the Russians. But treasonous if Trump “might have”.

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  46. fish Avatar
    fish

    Democrat fundraising must with running into problems……

    “Rep. Sherman of California introduces articles of impeachment against Trump

    Maybe you should send him a couple bucks Punch….for the resistance!
    http://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/national-politics/article160977449.html#storylink=latest_side

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  47. Walt Avatar

    One more for the nutjob LIB dept.
    http://www.theamericanmirror.com/fifth-time-nancy-pelosi-calls-trump-president-bush/
    Yup, President Bush live rent free inside “nutty” Nan’s over ripe melon.
    Yet no matter how batty she gets LIBS will re-elect the ol’ crone.

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  48. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Fish
    Whatever… It’s all good

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