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George Rebane

The Left predicted that yesterday's elections would be a referendum on Trump – well, it turns out they were right.

Yesterday was a disaster for the Democrats, and today everyone from their media mentors to their grassroots minions are scrambling to put enough lipstick on last night’s election results to distract the distractable.  CNN’s Eric Bradner writes, “Democrats tried an inoffensive moderate message in Georgia.  They ran a banjo-strumming populist in Montana.  They called in the cavalry in South Carolina and tried to catch their foe sleeping through a long-shot in Kansas.  None of it worked. … Now party officials, strategists and candidates are pondering what went wrong – how can they turn it around in time for the 2018 midterm elections.  … Seth Moulton (D, MA) tweeted ‘… better be a wake-up call for Democrats.’" (more here)

As another example of the reliability of political polling, the Georgia race was supposed to be a neck-to-neck race into which Dems poured tens of millions of out-of-state money to finally derail the Trump train.  Instead, Republican Karen Handel walked away from her Democrat challenger Jon Ossof with an almost six-point lead – a landslide in any political contest.  But that makes no never mind to those policy-poor liberals who, for over a year now, have put their faith in polls while voters continue to pay no attention to these futile exercises in propagandized political prognostication.

Locally we see this pattern replicated by progressives who have long since abandoned embarrassment as the usual response to being so consistently wrong for so long with ceaseless citing of their favorite poll results – ‘Never mind the election results, keep looking at how much Trump’s approval rating dropped since last week.’

These desperate loyalists have now surpassed their calamitous climate change comrades, some of whom are starting to admit in the media that their temperature predictions are in gross error and that we really have no reliable way to tell whether preventable manmade global warming is really occurring.  Scientists sensing a funding sea change under Trump are coming out of the woodwork to reveal that the General Circulation Models IPCC used for their catastrophe calculations are terribly flawed.  (Something that the rest of us familiar with the technology have known for years.)

So what to do?  Well, the Russia affair still provides some traction, so let's go back to Allegation Alley and see whom we can mug next.

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151 responses to “Elections or Polls – take your pick”

  1. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Bill’s reputation as a Putin cuddler remains intact. Bill and Trump last ones that deny Russian interference
    ROFLMFUEO! Yep, your are one sharp cookie there Punchy. I ❤️ Vlady!! We are expecting our first child on Dec. 31, knock on wood. Tax write off for 2017 and all that boring stuff. Yep, you busted me.
    I have long maintained that the Rooskies have played mischief with our elections. Been that way for decades. We used to call that “propaganda”. Nothing new.
    The question I have and have repeatedly asked our crack newsman is exactly how does one (OR ANYBODY) hack a US election when each of the 50 states have jurisdiction over their state’s votes and is scrutinized by hundreds, if not thousands, of eyes in each individual state before that state’s tally is verified and certified???? Hmmm? How, how, how. Not why, but how? How?
    1) Putting the Russians aside, how does one hack a national election in these United States when each state is independent of the other. I am MORE than curious to what mechanism someone or some foreign country would use to pull off such a monumental Herculean feat. Does anybody out there in cyber space have an idea?? Crickets.
    2) As Gregory queried of Punchy, exactly which states were hacked? Montana? Vermont? Kansas? I know, I know!! They hacked California, the center of the known universe to all Progressives. That’s it! But, how did they hack California? Crickets.
    3) As Dr. Rebane queried of Punchy, how do you quantify the effect of Putin’s “interference” of the Election that brought much wailing and gnashing of teeth. At least the snowflakes tears ended our drought here, but I digress. Nobody can answer that one because it is darn near impossible to quantify. It’s one of those questions that one can only answer if he is higher than a kite or locked away in some insane asylum.
    How many votes were changed, switched, redirected from My Gal to Trump as a direct result of Little Vlady’s messing with us? Crickets.
    So, Punchy , I still have an open mind and show me the evidence. Lay it out on the table. Did Putin hack the election (the whole enchilada) or not? Did Putin’s efforts change one vote? Hmmm? Did Russian attempts alter the results? Hmm. What exactly is the end result of the Russian influencing our election? Please tell me.
    Yep, no doubt the former Commie Bastards attempted to stir the pot. Idle hands are the Devil’s workshop and all that. Attempts to influence? Maybe. Sure, I will say ‘yes’ to move this along. Successes? Not statically significant or measurable. Influenced the election? Nope. Tried to influence the election? Sure, they all do.
    Now Dope-on-the-Ropes has pivoted from hack, collusion, to “influenced”. ‘Attempted to influence comes later’, after he shoots his wad and pivots to another “hacking” scenario, dutifully following the talking points issued from on high. Follow the money! Blackmail and Treason!
    Yo Punchy, you are one Dick Tracy, I tell ya. I have been exposed! The proof is that along with the Russians, I was standing on my chair cheering wildly the news of Hillary going back to Gates of Hell from whence she escaped. I cheered with abandonment, The Russians cheered and 60 million Americans joined us. It was an euphoric moment for Vlady and me. He is my snuggle bug.

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  2. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    The Russian author of a book, “All the Kremlin’s Men” was interviewed on Morning Joe today… He had an interesting story, of years (7) interviewing many Russkies who make up the wide layer under Putin.
    His resulting understanding is that Putin is more of a pleaser of the layer below than a director, and that layer below mostly anticipates what Putin will want.
    When asked about the US election “hacking” he was adamant that his expectation is that it would have been multiple independent organizations doing it themselves… expecting Putin and the others in the Kremlin would be pleased.
    No, that answer didn’t seem to please Mika and the others.

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  3. George Rebane Avatar

    We must remember that in the liberal mind there are only hard alternatives, no nuancing and nothing in between are allowed. If you don’t dun the Russians on a given point, then by definition you are ‘Russia cuddler’ and you will do everything that they want you to do – no other alternatives about your attitude are possible.

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  4. Paul emery Avatar
    Paul emery

    Oh dear readers what you see now is the last of the once mighty cold Warriors making apologies for the Russians hacking into our elections Reagan must be turning over in his grave Let alone Barry Goldwater Strange bedfellows this crew

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  5. Paul emery Avatar
    Paul emery

    Dear reader’s What you have here is the last of the Once mighty cold Warriors making excuses for the Russians Reagan and Goldwater must be rolling over in their graves

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  6. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    Well Gregory the only real conclusion we can make from all the testimony is that the Republicans were smarter than the hackers and the DNC were dumber than the hackers. Its also reasonable to acknowledge that the DNC crew were also heavily afflicted with arrogance. Gods of the universe don’t ya know. How much did Trump save on buying madam liar liar pantsuits on fires unused fireworks? 😉

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  7. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    @ 8:44 pm.
    Gregory, my own assessment of Putin dovetails with his background. He was never a KBG agent going around popping people in the back of the head or stuff like that. Nah, he was an intelligence officer who methodically and patiently gathered intelligence and just as methodically, analyzed and assessed the intelligence for its meaning, value, and usefulness. A highly disciplined man, not prone to knee jerk reactions. He responds, not reacts. As Scenes pointed out, Russia is a power sharing government, which each of the three power structures making peace with each other.
    Interesting assessment of Putin by the author of All the Kremlin’s Men. Akin to our Executive Branch’s relationships with the Deep State and Intel agencies. Obama made his truce with them and they reciprocated in kind. Trump? Not so much. Not playing ball, not going along to get along. Oh my, it got ugly quick.
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=J-VsfGHO5Mk
    Remember that nice looking popular Russian President that Obama liked and told him he would have more flexibility after the 2012 election? Mr. Russian President is gone for all practical purposes. Didn’t go along to get along with the other two powers that run the show in Moscow. Got ugly quick there as well.

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  8. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Paul emery | 21 June 2017 at 08:55 PM
    I wonder if you realize how ridiculous you sound now that you think you’ve made a point.
    All dope, no rope!

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  9. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    As far as Goldwater fakenewsman, that was before my time. Now as to Saint Ronnie I know for a fact I understand his worldview and you do not. God Blessed Nancy and the 40th President. You forget that there are still family out there having an impact in the real world unlike you.
    Your team can keep feeding the grapevine about me running for congress to cause division but that isn’t happening.
    I was at a meeting and did not see the 45ths speech live tonight. I just saw a rerun and boy oh boy did he crush it and connect on so many levels. 😉

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  10. John Avatar
    John

    He clearly doesn’t realize how ridiculous he sounds which is part of the fun of watching him chase his tail down the drain. Hopefully soon we will get another “you are all being mean to me and I am going home” post. Is it any wonder why the party of evil is getting their ass kicked? This is the best they can bring to the party.

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  11. Walt Avatar

    From what I read more and more LIBS are gathering kindling and erecting a post. The call is on to burn the wicked witch of the West at the stake. Pelosi is in deep trouble. She raised all that money, just to loose again. Plenty of LIB seats are now gone, and she’s getting the blame.(about damned time)

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  12. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Paul, you seem to have the old USSR (dissolved Dec 1991) confused with the current Russia… the Kremlin is now more akin with Banana Republics, kleptocratic rule with nukes in the inventory as reminders of past glory.

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  13. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Off topic, but kind of on the current thread.
    A few years back, a small utility company got hacked. No, not that water company in Upstate NY, or Connecticut or someone in New England that turned out to be bunk. Or was it? This is something that did not make the news in the days of pre-TDS.
    All I will say is the small utility/power/water company got “cyber attacked.” Does anyone but me use the word ‘cyber’ anymore?, but I digress. Broke into their internet and shut down briefly the hydropower and controls. All I can/will say it was somewhere in the Fresno vicinity. Then just as quickly, everything resumed to “normal”.
    The assessment was that it was just a trail run for someone. Just to see if they could do it. A training exercise if you will. Sending out the scouts. Forensics at the time pointed to North Korea as the most likely culprit. I will leave it there.
    Point is that many “cyber attacks” and hacks are really for intelligence gathering purposes only and are always looking for a backdoor, side door, or unlocked window to get in. Finding vulnerabilities. Break in and you get the employee of the month parking spot in front!
    They (the mysterious THEY) broke into Hillary’s private server by getting into Sidney Bloomenthal’s computer. You remember Sidney, the guy who planted the birther story in 2008 and close trusted friend of Hillary.
    We know many actors were in Hillary’s server. Who wouldn’t want to be? If the Russians were in there, they would have just left a pair of eyes to watch and read, undetected.. Probably a young Putin type, gathering intelligence and methodically putting the pieces of the puzzle together.
    Ok, back to Russia bashing! Or, if you prefer, “take a gander at the latest polls! The R’s are getting nervous and will abandon Trump in droves! Just a matter of time, and that’s the facts, Jack! End of Argument”……….pssst, you mean like what happened Tuesday night in South Carolina and Georgia. I could have sworn the R’s from coast to coast all gathered around Trump and joined together to help a brother and sister out down South.
    Did you see Paul Ryan’s face? Man, he was grinning from ear to ear and looked 10 years younger. In fact, all the R’s had a smile and spring in their step today. Lots of yucks and laughs, a most unifying moment. Winning does that. Losing does the opposite. The Dems today had slumped shoulders and looked like their shoes were filled with concrete, the way they did the lithumin shuffle. Not all of them. The other Dems were flailing their arms, pointing their fingers in each others’ face and going about with bright red angry faces. But, we won’t talk about that.
    Hey, have you see these polls?!! Trump is scrapping the bottom of the barrel. He is toast, put a fork in him! Oh, not interested in polls? Look, The Russians are coming!
    Elections or polls—you decide.

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  14. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Opps, I forgot. The Dems (progressives, Alt-left, Democratic Socialists, Antifas, liberals or whatever they call themselves) are indeed the biggest threat to our Constitution, our nation, our rule of law not men, and our wonderful civil liberties than the Russians could ever dream of.
    Bottomline: The bigger threat to our democracy comes from the People’s Republic of the Democrat Party, not the former USSR Commie bastards Russians.
    “Hey, look over here. I got polls!” Please look. Please.
    https://www.facebook.com/lastamericapatriots/photos/a.235087906641439.1073741826.235086849974878/871153873034836/?type=3&theater

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  15. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    So, this is why Trump was tweeting something about shattering the glass ceiling isn’t for Dems, but for Republicans. Confusing when I read the tweet, but it all makes sense now. Did the R’s appropriate the Dem’s culture? Say it isn’t so. Bad Trump, bad.
    https://heatst.com/politics/feminists-outraged-woman-wins-congressional-election-in-georgia/?mod=sm_fb_post

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  16. Barry Pruett Avatar
    Barry Pruett

    Paul: I read most of your posts. You likened Russia’s actions to looking in the window of a house. Can you explain how “looking” equates to interfering?
    To be clear if the Russians can look, the next step will be to actually interfere. I am seeing a critical thinking disconnect. Help me out.

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  17. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Trump’s speech in Iowa last night was a good example of why Americans distrust the media. He had a packed house and the crowd was enthusiastic. The people booed the press, especially CNN when Trump smacked them. And throughout the whole speech people cheered or booed positions the press thought the deplorables were too stupid to understand.

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  18. Barry Pruett Avatar
    Barry Pruett

    Aaaaand neither CNN nor MSNBC would not even air it.

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  19. ScenesFromTheApocalypse Avatar
    ScenesFromTheApocalypse

    “To be clear if the Russians can look, the next step will be to actually interfere. I am seeing a critical thinking disconnect. Help me out.”
    I wouldn’t bother, all that you’ll get is that meaningless report that blames RT for the troubles of the world. All nations push on each other’s elections, the amount of influence that flows from AIPAC or the Saudis appears to be pretty remarkable. Lacking a bonafide illegal activity by Trump himself, I just can’t see what the fuss is about. By ‘illegal’, I mean actually illegal.
    Remember:
    https://ssscsgsfsdg.files.wordpress.com/2016/12/meme-putin-hack1.jpg?

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  20. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Comrade Bill here. Well, it’s seems the operative new buzzword for the Russian “hacking” is…..drumroll please……is……’meddling’. Ah, a much nicer sounding and more accurate descprition of them dagnappit devious deeds our enemies done to our scared sanctity of the ballot box. Meddling. It sounds rather playful, yet mischievous. And intrusive. Meddling. Meddling is a word akin to microaggression. Still unwelcomed, but not quite murder. Meddling.
    With those words aside, I am compelled to URGE ALL READERS to read Scenes’s post from yesterday. Link provided below.
    http://dailycaller.com/2017/05/11/the-other-much-worse-hacking-story/
    As we enter the new phrase of them Russian Bastards hacking our actual voting machines and registration rolls in 21 states, keep in mind who has been trying to hack into the State voter registration rolls and State records. Who? Why comes at a later date.
    Was it the Russian Deep State, or was it our own Deep State? I respectfully suggest to the Dear Readers to bear this all in mind when you hear the words ‘Jed Johnson’ ‘former Homeland Security Director’, or just plain ole ‘Homeland Security’. Yes, a suggestion is a subtle command, so please indulge me and overlook my control freak ways. Good link, but not really new news. Just something to file in the back of your noggin. Thankyou.
    Wonder who would benefit the most from attempted hacks into the State voter rolls? Putin? My Gal? Who knows. More will be revealed, or maybe not.
    Play it again, Sam
    http://dailycaller.com/2017/05/11/the-other-much-worse-hacking-story/
    Man alive, what a long strange trip this had been. Keep on truckin’. Moon equipped.

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  21. ScenesFromTheApocalypse Avatar
    ScenesFromTheApocalypse
  22. George Boardman Avatar

    Since Todd and Barry appear to hang onto every word The Trumpster utters, maybe they can answer the following for me:
    –Why did Trump propose a law at his Iowa rally that’s been on the books for 20 years?
    –Why did Trump tweet that Russian meddling in the election was a Dem HOAX, and then criticize Obama for not doing more to stop Russian meddling?
    –Trump implied he taped his conversations with Mueller, let the speculation continue for several weeks, then denied that any tapes exist. Is that a good example of “fake news?”

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  23. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    These democrats and their media pals trashed the “draft” Senate fix for the failed Ocare and they did it before the document was released. Now do people understand why the dems and their media have no cred? My goodness I know what a draft is. I did read many over my life. And it is never the same at the end as things get discussed and changed. In California it is like the DEIR which is a requirement for a eco review. Then it becomes a EIR after the draft is fully vetted.
    But listening to Chuck Schumer and his pals on the left in the Senate you would think this is the final document. All lies of course. I suggest that people not get all excited about this draft. It is going to be completely discussed and amended where necessary. And that goes for Rand Paul and the three other R’s that are scared to death to place their views (other than negative) on this draft.

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  24. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    It appears that Boardman does not get that we had 8 years of ignoring the laws on the books. Immigration rules chief among them. The existing rules were a baseline if you listened to the actual speech as opposed to this mornings talking points. But the whole point is the rule of law is the norm now. 😉

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  25. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    MR. BOARDMAN @ around noon:
    Oh Boardman, glad you stopped by to do the Liar-Chief tag team. Punchy must be still sleeping it off from last night. His stamina ain’t what it used to be, and not surprising considering this heat and his age. Warning galore about the elderly staying indoors, but I digressed big time.
    HERE is more of the off-topic story about sanctions you were asking about on this thread yesterday. Just trying to help a brother out, albeit now I am off topic too. This post is supposed to be about “Elections or Polls-take you pick”. We bad.
    Funny name for a Russian sanctions bill, is it not?
    The legislation titled “Countering Iran’s Destabilizing Activities Act” was passed by the Senate last week on a 98-to-2 vote.
    http://www.oann.com/watch-russia-considers-retaliatory-sanctions-on-u-s/

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  26. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    George Boardman | 22 June 2017 at 11:47 AM
    Since you seem to believe everything your lamestreams write I can attest to listening to the President. But unlike your ilk I don’t believe everything Trump says.
    On your questions.umber One I guess I missed that.
    Number Two. Trump can believe it is a hoax yet still make the claim about Obama. I am sure you believe things that others say are a hoax yet you are adamant they happened.
    Three,on thie mikes. You liberals have zero understanding of his hulor. I got it when he said it. He wanted you to spin your wheels as you took him seriously. Besides he said “I hope there are no tapes” which should have alerted you smart people he was jiving.
    Hoenstly the left has no clue about Trump and his humor or his mannerisms. You all must live in a hole.

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  27. George Boardman Avatar

    So Todd doesn’t believe everything Trump says, but he can separate the truth from the lies. What a genius.

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  28. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    “Trump implied he taped his conversations with Mueller”-Boredman
    No, he did not.
    That one was almost as funny as Trump’s musing that maybe the Russians could find a copy of Hillary’s emails… that nearly had me rolling on the floor, laughing, in real time. I’m going to guess you didn’t get that one, either.

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  29. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    In a selfless act of community service, I will step up to the plate and bring you THE POLLS. Sure, I ain’t Punchy and it is only the Gallop poll, but let’s help our brother out in these trying times for him. It is the least I can do while living on the altruistic plane.
    Hillary is up two points! That’s My Gal.
    “Fifty-seven percent of Americans say they have a negative view of Clinton. That’s up slightly from November, when 55% of people said they had no love in their heart for Hillary.”
    https://heatst.com/politics/study-finds-that-everybody-still-hates-hillary-clinton/?mod=sm_fb_post
    Run Hillary, run. Please. The progressive are lost without you, like a ship without a rudder. We need My Gal, the self appointed leader of The Resistance! Third time is a charm. You can do it! It’s your turn. Run, Hillary, run!
    Yeah, I know. Punchy did not vote for Hillary. Well, neither did I. Common ground!

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  30. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    George Boardman | 22 June 2017 at 01:16 PM
    Thanks I am a genius. And well known for that. Liberals believe everything and are ready to follow the rabbit down it’s rabbit hole. I am too smart for that. But again, thanks for recognizing my genius.

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  31. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    George Boardman
    Remember this crew would rather have the Russians run the country than the Democrats so it’s a pretty odd group that Rebane has accumulated here. I don’t take them too seriously. It’s kinda fun to play here once in a while though.
    here’s an example
    Bill writes:
    ” Opps, I forgot. The Dems (progressives, Alt-left, Democratic Socialists, Antifas, liberals or whatever they call themselves) are indeed the biggest threat to our Constitution, our nation, our rule of law not men, and our wonderful civil liberties than the Russians could ever dream of.
    Bottomline: The bigger threat to our democracy comes from the People’s Republic of the Democrat Party, not the former USSR Commie bastards Russians. ”
    21 June 2017 at 10:29 PM

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  32. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    “Remember this crew would rather have the Russians run the country than the Democrats”
    Paul, that’s bullsh*t.

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  33. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Gregory
    Pretty clearly expressed by by bill and not contended by anyone but me. Putin cuddlers.
    So big bad Trump on Foreign Policy. Other than creating a few quickly repaired potholes on an airfield in Syria and dropping a big bomb in the desert of Afghanistan what has he done? Oh yeah, he’s picking on pathetic little Cuba and swapping yucks with the Saudi thugs who won’t let women drive and keep them veiled.
    Making America great again…..sure.

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  34. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE 301pm – That sentiment was not “clearly expressed by” BillT at all. Your logic machine is still grossly out of whack. Stating which of two evils is the greatest in no way implies that the lesser of the two is therefore automatically desirable for running the country. It is such absolute off-the-wall leftwing thinking that no longer supports any basis for rapprochement between our Left and Right.

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  35. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Trump
    Liar in Chief:
    Donald Trump Admits He Didn’t Tape Conversations With James Comey
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-james-comey-tapes_us_594bf322e4b0312cfb62c1b1

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  36. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Paul, perhaps you need a lesson in reading comprehension. While I do not agree with the BT quote you seemed to think indicative of “the crew” here, it isn’t a claim that the Russians would be better at running the USA than Democrats.
    It is a clear statement from BT that the internal threat of leftist Democrats to our Constitution and the freedoms it recognizes is greater than the external threat faced from the Russians.

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  37. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Todd has also expressed the same sentiment Gregory

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  38. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    George
    It’s safe to assume we have different interpretations of Bills screed.

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  39. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE 325pm – … and there you go again. Wherever did you get the notion that Trump claimed to have taped any conversations?

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  40. Walt Avatar

    Humm… Paul implied HE had a “bombshell”.. Where is it Paul? Looks like your the liar here. (just applying your own standards. That knife cuts both ways.)

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  41. Barry Pruett Avatar
    Barry Pruett

    You probably missed this before…
    “Paul: I read most of your posts. You likened Russia’s actions to looking in the window of a house. Can you explain how “looking” equates to interfering?
    To be clear if the Russians can look, the next step will be to actually interfere. I am seeing a critical thinking disconnect. Help me out.”

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  42. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    George 329
    It’s most probably from the broken logic gene Paul carries in his political DNA.

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  43. Walt Avatar

    Ahhhh.. Those supposed tapes. Like Paul, Comey took the bait.
    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/06/22/trumps-tapes-bluff-beat-james-comey/
    “First and foremost, Trump’s bluff forced Comey to confirm publicly — on his own volition — Trump’s claim that Comey had, indeed, told the president on three separate occasions that he was not under investigation.
    The media hilariously predicted, wrongly, that Comey would say otherwise, based on “sources.” Indeed, Comey could have said he did not recall telling the president that. But with the possibility of “tapes” looming, he had to make an admission to protect the broader credibility of his effort to damage the president through his testimony to the Senate.”
    Trump is ALWAYS two moves ahead.

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  44. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Looks like Paul Emery can’t stop putting words in others mouths. My goodness that takes some help from a psycolgist. To think we patriotic Americans would prefer Russia over what we have is plain loonacy on his part. So please get help. I thought you were fed up with us and left in a huff nver to be seen again. Another fib from PE

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  45. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    here’s a view from a successful cartoonist…
    http://dilbert.com/strip/2017-06-22

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  46. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Todd, you made it very clear that the Democrats were a greater threat to our freedom than the Russians. It is therefore safe to assume that you’d prefer the Russians to the Democrats running our government because they are the lesser threat to our freedom and American way.

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  47. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Barry
    If you read the Assessment that came out in January about the Russian intrusion into our elections you would find it is very clear in their view that the Russians intended to disrupt our election and that they favored Trump over Clinton. Here’s a link and an excerpt.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/apps/g/page/politics/the-intelligence-community-report-on-russian-activities-in-the-2016-election/2153/
    From Fox News quoting from the assessment
    “We assess with high confidence that Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered an influence campaign in 2016 aimed at the US presidential election, the consistent goals of which were to undermine public faith in the US democratic process, denigrate Secretary Clinton, and harm her electability and potential presidency. We further assess Putin and the Russian Government developed a clear preference for President-elect Trump.”

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  48. Walt Avatar

    LOL Paul,, Right here in Ca.,, is pretty much under Russian style control. Just a kinder,, gentler type of Commie. Enjoy…

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  49. ScenesFromTheApocalypse Avatar
    ScenesFromTheApocalypse

    “Todd, you made it very clear that the Democrats were a greater threat to our freedom than the Russians. It is therefore safe to assume that you’d prefer the Russians to the Democrats running our government because they are the lesser threat to our freedom and American way.”
    I’d say that’s a rather dishonest way to restate things.
    You can certainly argue that the Russians, in Russia, with the amount of power they have over the US political system, are less a threat than the current coalition of Democrats + the intelligence community. The latter represent an existential threat to Western Civilization while the former are currently just something of a minor rival.
    It’s a nice try, though.

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