164 responses to “Sandbox – 15mar17”

1. 

   MikeL

   15 March 2017

   And we should take down the Golden Gate Bridge to prevent suicides…

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   BradC

   15 March 2017

   FYI – here is one link,
   FEMA Publication No. 333 has adopted three hazard potential classification categories for dams as follows: LOW, SIGNIFICANT, and HIGH HAZARD POTENTIAL, listed in order of increasing incremental adverse consequences. When loss of one or more human lives is probable, High Potential Hazard classification if required. Some regulators use numbers or letters in lieu of these titles and may have more than three hazard potential classifications based on legislative requirements or agency history.
   If the dams did not start out with a high hazard rating, and have that rating now, I would say they qualify for Trump era public works projects he keep talking about.
   http://www.damsafety.org/resources/?p=b45f9cb5-dd10-44be-ae8c-ab7df92693e0

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   Walt

   15 March 2017

   Build the Auburn dam just to PO the anti dam crew.

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   Robert Cross

   15 March 2017

   That is real intelligent Walt. Did you know the dam was on a fault line and after pouring millions of tons of concrete down cracks in the bedrock, they gave up realizing any attempt at building a dam there was useless and dangerous beyond imagination.

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   Paul Emery

   15 March 2017

   To all interested:
   As far as the Centennial Dam on the Bear River is concerned what are your words of condolence to those who are going to have to sell their homes and property cheap in order to build the Dam?

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6. 

   Paul Emery

   15 March 2017

   Now that’s deep thinking Walt. ( Walt 1:24)

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7. 

   Paul Emery

   15 March 2017

   Well so much for Obama wiretaps accusations from our Liar in Chief.
   WASHINGTON ― House Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes (R-Calif.) conceded on Wednesday that he had found no evidence to substantiate President Donald Trump’s claim that former President Barack Obama had wiretapped Trump Tower.
   Nunes, a fierce White House ally, told reporters that absent such evidence, he could conclude only that no wiretap had ever been put in place.
   http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-obama-wiretapping_us_58c95cd1e4b01c029d78088c?

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   BradC

   15 March 2017

   Fox Headline –
   Trump’s First Full Month in Office Sees Biggest Jobs Gain ‘In Years’: Report
   http://nation.foxnews.com/2017/03/08/trumps-first-full-month-office-sees-biggest-jobs-gain-years-report
   Yeah, right…like magic, employment increases with Trump at the helm- even though he has done diddly squat. I guess Fox (pronounced ‘faux’) News neglected to check the trendline. The employment level has been trending upward since 2010. Trump/Fox is taking credit for a party started 7 years ago.
   https://data.bls.gov/generated_files/graphics/LNS12000000_768932_1489616873404.gif
   https://data.bls.gov/pdq/SurveyOutputServlet

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   fish

   15 March 2017

   Posted by: BradC | 15 March 2017 at 03:42 PM
   Trump/Fox is taking credit for a party started 7 years ago.
   Oh Jughaid…..you really need to learn how this game is played……Odummy is still turning victory laps over a “recovery” based on 10 trillion in conjured money!
   Recovery…..hah!

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10. 

    Paul Emery

    15 March 2017

    Better economic conditions than what he inherited from good ol whats his name

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11. 

    fish

    15 March 2017

    Posted by: Paul Emery | 15 March 2017 at 04:14 PM
    Do you have children Paul?

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12. 

    ScenesFromTheApocalypse

    15 March 2017

    FWIW, this is the set of charts that are usually offered up to show the fruits of the Obama administration.
    http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2016/05/31/20160301_obama_1.jpg
    Personally, I don’t blame him all that much. There are a lot of prevailing winds in these kinds of numbers and honestly I can’t say that he was either smart enough or a good enough politician in terms of Congressional arm twisting to do more than read speeches off of a teleprompter. It could well be that no one is wise enough to really steer the boat.
    If he had a problem, I’d say that he was the first post- (and perhaps anti-) American President. Western civilization has withstood a lot of models of government and economic system in the last 2000 years, and my guess is that Obama will be a forgotten figure sooner than you might think.

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    Walt

    15 March 2017

    Back to that? (fault line) So was the Oroville dam. Just because a small fault is there, by NO means makes it unbuildable. You want to bitch about anything unstable? (NOPE can’t inhabit that place.) Take Grass Valley for instance. Built on top of hundreds of miles
    of mine tunnels. It’s hasn’t fallen in with only the penthouse of the Bret Hart hotel above ground.
    But go ahead and listen to the fearmongers. LIBS are great at eating up those troughs of BS.
    BTW. PLEASE get Frisco to drain Hetch Hetchy. They are dumb enough to do that, all in the name of ECO, and “pretty”. And stupid enough to turn a valuable resource into a liability and a money pit with no bottom.

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14. 

    Walt

    15 March 2017

    Since I’m still living rent free inside PM’s head,(Ol’ Paul drops my name in reference to someone else’s post the other day,LOL)Uh,, Paul,,,,, I didn’t even make one comment on that thread.
    ” AS usual Walt you don’t have a clue as to what I’m saying. I’m in favor 0f FOOD subsidies not SHIT subsidies.
    Subsidize good healthy food for those in need.
    Posted by: Paul Emery | 13 March 2017 at 10:13 PM”
    let me say to Paul,, you need a cleaning crew in here. It’s a mess. Pictures asque, cobwebs, something gray and shriveled up over in the left hand corner. But the ecco is great.

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    Paul Emery

    15 March 2017

    ESly
    I was referring to this
    Posted by: Walt | 15 March 2017 at 01:26 PM

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16. 

    Walt

    15 March 2017

    That’s supposed to mean something to me? I still didn’t make one comment “over there”.
    Thanks.

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    Paul Emery

    15 March 2017

    Once again George and anyone else interested
    As far as the Centennial Dam on the Bear River is concerned what are your words of condolence to those who are going to have to sell their homes and property cheap in order to build the Dam?

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    Paul Emery

    15 March 2017

    Okay Walt this makes it simple
    Build the Auburn dam just to PO the anti dam crew.
    Posted by: Walt | 15 March 2017 at 01:26 PM
    I responded
    Now that’s deep thinking Walt. ( Walt 1:24)
    Posted by: Paul Emery | 15 March 2017 at 02:13 PM

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19. 

    Paul Emery

    15 March 2017

    Breaking news on the polls-Fox disapprove of Trump 8% 9 point slide in three weeks.

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20. 

    George Rebane

    15 March 2017

    PaulE 543pm – I can’t believe that you are an opponent of ’eminent domain’. But then again, I’ve been wrong before. Are you?

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21. 

    Don Bessee

    15 March 2017

    How come our poor ol’ pollhead PE and politico are suppressing politico’s own poll showing the Prez with a 52% approval rating? I know, it does not fit the party parrot line of the sky is falling. 😉

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    Paul Emery

    15 March 2017

    Don
    Politico is not considered a major poll by RCP or Polling report. Fox and Rasmusse,for example are.
    George it depends on the situation. I am not convinced of the necessity of the Dam. This potential dam displaces an entire community of families and forces them to sell cheap their home and property and they will not be able to replace their homes because of high housing costs. Many will be forced to leave their jobs and move elsewhere. . Are you supportive of eminent domain this situation?

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    Robert Cross

    15 March 2017

    Walt 4:40 —
    Yes, the Oroville dam was built on fault line and in the August of 1975 the weight of the water behind the dam generated two 6.0+ earthquakes a few hours apart on a previously unknown (like in Auburn) fault. Stuff fell off shelves as far away as Nevada City. I watched it happen. That’s two dams and two previously unknown faults in the area. I think NID needs to do some extensive research into the seismology of the area first and foremost.
    http://www.chicoer.com/20100801/oroville-remembers-35-year-old-quake

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    Russ

    15 March 2017

    The problem with the ani-dam folks is they are not familiar with the history of drought in the West, including California. The left ant-dam folks are promoting conservation as the solution to more dams. We should not dismiss this approach, as conservation is necessary, but it is not the final answer. Only more storage could assist California to survive a 20-25 year drought, which the region has experienced in the past. In addition to longer-term droughts the region as experienced clusters of droughts 4-6 years in length, separated by 1 to 2 damp years. It is during these wet years that we need to collect and store all the possible water to weather the next 4-6 years of drought, by applying conservation measures the left is promoting.
    It was a cluster of droughts that forced the cliff dwellers of the SouthWest to leave their cliff dwellings to seek life-saving water higher in the mountains in the 1100s. We do not have the options to move to the mountain, as there is more population now than the local tribal communities had during the regional drought clusters from 1100 to 1200 BC. Look at the charts in this post: https://sierrafoothillcommentary.com/2017/02/18/california-drought-report-83-california-drought-history/ to see the drought cluster lasting 50 years and the long-term droughts lasting over 20 years.
    Conservation is important, but more storage is vital, so we have something to conserve.

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25. 

    Todd Juvinall

    15 March 2017

    Paul Emery is confused about eminent domain. The government ios required to pay fair market after appraisals. And the owners can do their own and also challenge the governments. I am no fan for things like Peter Van Zant did for the Eldeberry beetle on the creek on Dog Bar. The beetle was not found in our county but was used for what I consider nefarious purposes favoring some over others. Anyway, sometimes it must be used to build things and that is why we are protected by the Constitution regarding it.

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    Paul Emery

    15 March 2017

    So Russ let me ask you the same question
    As far as the Centennial Dam on the Bear River is concerned what are your words of condolence to those who are going to have to sell their homes and property cheap in order to build the Dam?

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27. 

    Todd Juvinall

    15 March 2017

    Don Bessee, I got the memo. And the one from the NCRCC. Let’s rock and roll!

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28. 

    Todd Juvinall

    15 March 2017

    The Wild and Scenic designation foisted on the Yuba placed a cloud of federal and state “zoning” over the river and up to ine mile on either side over the lands along it. Why would you support this zoning cloud over the rights of the 500 plus property owners Paul Emery? Is that not something you would say is overreach?

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29. 

    fish

    15 March 2017

    So Paul…..any kids?

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30. 

    Todd Juvinall

    15 March 2017

    I think he is unable. Jus guessing of course. LOL!

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31. 

    Russ

    15 March 2017

    Readers, if you really want to understand the water issues read The West Without Water, it is available in hardback and ebook online at Amazon. It is highly recommended if you are really interested in the water issues. Another resource is David Stuart’s Anasazi America. Archeologists have identified droughts lasting 50-75 years in the Southwest, which includes California. Archeologists have identified a 200-year drought in the Lake Tahoe Basin, 5000 years ago. Drought is a common mode of the region, we are just living in a 200-year wet period and the sooner we recognize this is the better off we will be. We are on the cusp of the next long-term drought. If you disagree, then show me your evidence.

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32. 

    Russ

    15 March 2017

    Paul@06:33 PM
    My dad’s family lived in Patras Washington. The family homestead in currently at the bottom of a lake in Washinton built to provide hydro-power. Life is a bitch and this dam is needed for the public good, to ensure the survival millions of people when the region experiences a long-term drought like those the region has experienced in history. If it happened in the past, it can happen again. We need to prepare for the worst. We are living in a 200-year wet spell. Drought is the mode of the region.
    See drought history here: https://sierrafoothillcommentary.com/2017/02/18/california-drought-report-83-california-drought-history/

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33. 

    fish

    15 March 2017

    Paul…..any offspring…..grandkids!?

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34. 

    George Rebane

    15 March 2017

    Note that PaulE avoids my question about eminent domain, and that the whole progressive pushback on the dams subscribes to the Tragedy of the Tails paradigm that I have described before here as it evinces itself in the expression of caudophabia.
    http://rebaneruminations.typepad.com/rebanes_ruminations/2015/06/caudaphobia-the-tragedy-of-the-tails.html
    This kind of analyses have in the past been beyond the ken of most liberals, but it’s always worth giving them another crack at it.
    Regarding dams, we need to store the water for droughts and prevent floods which happen much more frequently than dam failures due to unknown fault lines. Asking NID to do a thorough investigation of possible fault lines under proposed dams is a forgivable ignorance when first proposed. But continuing to insist on it is beyond butt stupid.
    Consider that the world’s foremost quake geologists who continue to study the bejeezus out of California’s deep geology. They have been and continue to be constantly surprised by faults they find out about only after a revelatory earthquake. NID has no resources to either perform such investigations or commission the Caltech Seismology Lab (q.v.) to do one.
    The only solution to our real problems is to build the goddam dam, enjoy the benefits, and take the consequences if/when they come. This policy has made California great, and its obverse will contribute to our current downward spiral. But stopping dam building is just what is called for in Agenda21.

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35. 

    fish

    15 March 2017

    Paul E avoids lots of questions! “The Green Libertarian” has superpowers…..question avoidance….only the most obvious!

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36. 

    Paul emery

    15 March 2017

    Why is it important for me to let you know whether I have any children or not ?

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37. 

    BradC

    15 March 2017

    Posted by: fish | 15 March 2017 at 04:02 PM – My dear Fishlips, yes, Trump is taking credit for ‘that recovery’. Obama’s ‘oh, so reviled recovery’ did not magically end with his administration – just as Bush’s ‘gifts that kept on giving’ did not end with his administration.

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    Paul emery

    15 March 2017

    George I thought I answered about eminent domain. I am not convinced that this damn is important enough to make the threshold to take people’s property and force them to leave their homes Is that a good enough answer for you ?

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    Paul emery

    15 March 2017

    No nobody here has any words of condolence to those who will be forced to move sell their property cheap and maybe move outside our community to change schools and lose their investment in their property in homes

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40. 

    Bill Tozer

    15 March 2017

    Tear down Hetch Hetchy, like today already. The water goes to Pelosi’s district, none is diverted to protect fish habitat, and even has an exception from The Engagered Spieces Act! Tear it down!

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    BradC

    15 March 2017

    Looks like Don Bessee is trying to control the upcoming LaMalfa dog and pony show. I wonder if it was his idea to get all the conservos to dress up in red, white, and blue – how cute- and how typical!
    From a post by another, found on Reinette Senum’s Facebook page, seen on Pelline’s blog…
    “Just had a long chat on the phone with Don Bessee. I tried to sign up as a volunteer for the Town Hall. He would not provide any details or information unless I provided him with proof that I had personally received the email addressed to me from Nevada County Republicans. I was asked to send back the email to him showing my name and email address. I suggested that it was unethical, undemocratic and unamerican to limit volunteer slots to one political party only. He replied that he was only interested in allowing people who got the email to volunteer. He stated there would be plenty of room for all to attend the meeting, even those who did not volunteer,. I asked him how many volunteer slots he was designating for Republicans. He would not tell me.”

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    Todd Juvinall

    15 March 2017

    Go DonB go. The leftwinnuts like Senum would only disrupt things anyway. And if she wants to volunteer she can sweep up her ilk’s crap they toss all over the place.

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43. 

    fish

    15 March 2017

    Posted by: Paul emery | 15 March 2017 at 07:38 PM
    Just curious.

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44. 

    Walt

    15 March 2017

    Well at least the Bear River folk will get something for their land. Grand Dad wasn’t as lucky when the first dam went in on the Merced River.(Exchequer dam) The house, property and mine were deep sixed. I guess Paul and friends won’t miss a minute of sleep over that.
    Buy HAY! Frisco has water!
    Yup Oroville had a quake. ONE… And no damage.(imagine that) Now how come there hasn’t been a “big one” since? It’s easy to blame it on “the dam”. I remember that day well.
    Hell! Even our two dams withstood the rolling landscape here in PV. 80 acre feet of water sure got sloshing.

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    George Rebane

    15 March 2017

    PaulE 739pm – Didn’t see your answer, nor did you point to it. But now I do understand that you support eminent domain selectively, which is OK. For example, I don’t support eminent domain seizures that go to benefit private parties (e.g. Kelo) or none at all (e.g. Cahuenga Pass). You don’t seem to like an eminent domain that does provide for a common good – drought and flood abatement in a land of droughts and floods. I wonder how you felt about the interstate highway system, and the local Hwy 20/49 freeway.

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    Don Bessee

    15 March 2017

    Found on Senums… Seen on the dark lord of liberal laments land. That’s not much of an introduction there BC.
    When was the last time the dem boss Furth asked R’s to help set up the First Tuesday educational forum? 😉

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    Paul Emery

    15 March 2017

    George
    I wrote at 6:21 “I am not convinced of the necessity of the Dam.”
    There’s lots of information still to be researched before I’m ready to personally support this project. I assume you know all you need to know and have made up your mind despite the massive disruption of an entire community of people.

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48. 

    Gregory

    16 March 2017

    Punchy 621
    “forces them to sell cheap their home and property”
    Only if the owners of the properties are poorly represented.
    And the modern notion of “no, a shopping center isn’t really for a public use like a school, a highway or a dam, but it will mean gobs of money paid in taxes in the future so it’s worth evicting the widow McGuillicuddy” has to go. If you want to buy out the local peasantry for the new MegaMall’s parking lot, do it the old fashioned way… pay the holdouts.
    Gorsuch deserves a quick confirmation by the Senate.

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    Walt

    16 March 2017

    Paul and friends need to look at this another way. The Eco gang LOVES to “protect” the lands. And that “land” would be protected from human use. Protected by water. Not long ago “O” land grabbed hundreds of square miles. No bitch from the Lefties there.
    The Spenceville wildlife aria was set aside for a future water storage a long time ago.
    That plan got shot down not long ago. Same excuse. “It’s pretty”, etc. But no rivers would be dammed.

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    fish

    16 March 2017

    Posted by: BradC | 15 March 2017 at 07:39 PM
    Obama’s ‘oh, so reviled recovery’ did not magically end with his administration – just as Bush’s ‘gifts that kept on giving’ did not end with his administration.
    There is no recovery Brad…..what Obama did is akin to keeping a corpse alive so the organs can be harvested.

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