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Sandbox – 21feb17

[334 comments and counting in the last sandbox.  I think we've had a sea change in the sandbox debates participation.  gjr]

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411 responses to “Sandbox – 21feb17”

  1. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Quotes from yesterday:
    “Bias is being more upset at a Trump tweet than you were at Obama naming journalists as conspirators and going after them with the DOJ.” —Stephen Miller
    “Since the Kyoto Accord was struck in 1997, Energy Department data show, U.S. output of greenhouse gases plunged 7.3%, even though real U.S. GDP over that time has grown a whopping 52%. We’re greener today than we have been in decades. Go figure. For all this progress, we can thank the fracking business. … Here’s an idea: If the Nobel committee geniuses really want to reward those who’ve done the most to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, they should give Gore’s Nobel to the U.S. fracking industry.” —Investor’s Business Daily

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  2. ScenesFromTheApocalypse Avatar
    ScenesFromTheApocalypse

    Gotta love these people.
    http://thehill.com/homenews/320705-clinton-taunts-gop-lawmakers-for-dodging-town-halls
    http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/presidential-campaign/289972-240-days-and-counting-why-hillary-wont-do-press

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  3. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    The crack deepens. California Conservative Daryl Issa says AG Sessions should step aside and there should be a special prosecutes look into Trump-Russia connections.
    Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) said during an interview on “Real Time With Bill Maher” on Friday night that the investigation into Russia’s ties to Donald Trump’s presidential campaign and the U.S. election hacking needs a special prosecutor ― not Attorney General Jeff Sessions.
    “The conservative congressman, who supported Trump during his 2016 campaign, also seemed to agree with host Bill Maher that Sessions should recuse himself from the investigation.
    Maher posed a question to Issa about the FBI’s investigation Trump-Russia by flipping the controversy on its head.
    Maher asked Issa if, in 2012, he “would let it slide” had Russians hacked Mitt Romney’s campaign and been in talks with former President Barack Obama’s campaign.
    “No,” Issa said quickly. When asked if he’d let it slide in Trump’s administration, Issa said again, just as quickly: “No.”
    “We need an independent prosecutor,” Maher said later. “And Jeff Sessions should recuse himself, the same way Loretta Lynch recused herself, because he was a part of the Trump campaign, is that correct?” Maher asked, referring to former Attorney General Lynch and Hillary Clinton’s email investigation.
    That’s when Issa appeared to make his response more clear.“You’re right that you cannot have somebody, a friend of mine, Jeff Sessions, who was on the campaign and who was an appointee,” Issa told Maher. “You’re going to need to use the special prosecutor’s statute and office.”
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/darrell-issa-bill-maher-jeff-sessions-recuse_us_58b10218e4b0780bac29b0d6?3ntn11ujdwsyfu5wmi&&

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  4. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Paul Emery | 25 February 2017 at 08:56 AM
    …..still president Punchy.

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  5. Scott Obermuller Avatar
    Scott Obermuller

    re Paul at 8:56: I’m sure the investigation can be handled the same way they handled all of the investigations into Obama admin.
    Trump can declare there’s ‘not a smidgen’ of evidence of corruption.
    Then all of the evidence can’t be found.
    Anyone being ‘interviewed’ can gaze at their fingernails and murmur “Sorry – can’t remember a thing”.
    Then the chief prosecutor can meet secretly with Trump’s wife and they can discuss the weather.
    And all of the people being investigated can meet together while they are being interviewed so they can discuss the questions before they come up with an answer.
    No homes or offices will be raided.
    No one has to answer anything under oath.
    Ha! As I said months ago, one good thing about a Trump presidency – at least now we’ll have the press trying to actually do their job and some accountability will return.

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  6. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Issa barely won in his restructured district so this is not a unusual position to take.
    I like Issa but his tenure as the Chairman of the committee looking in on all those Obama outrages did not accomplish much of anything.

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  7. BradC Avatar
    BradC

    Trump is barking up the wrong tree, Radical White Domestic Terrorists are a more likely threat,
    http://apne.ws/2lSKNUo

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  8. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Issa has a point. Every “Impeach The Bastard!”” leftist would be screaming “the fix is in!” if the investigation is conducted by anyone in the Administration. Issa likes and respects Sessions, as well as Trump and others. Even a Congressional investigation would reek to high heaven with partisan bickering complete with Nancy and little Dick Durbin mugging for the cameras every night in feigned outrage and getting Paul all beside himself with glee.
    Currently there are 3 FBI probes into the Putingate affair. They can report to Congress and see if there is any ‘there’ there. You just don’t pull a Special Prospecutor out of thin affair to go fishing. There are probably 5 Congressial/Senate Committees going on or will go on. Maybe 6. Just cause Maxine Waters says something is there doesn’t mean she is all there. Let’s see how Congress and Sessions proceed. Let the FBI do their thing. The FBI’s job is to investigate.
    Just shows Issa is a honorable and smart politician. He is not calling for a Special Prosecuter, just dealing with a hypothetical situation. One tough hard hitting investigator himself if you ever watched him grill people before his committee. No nonsense kind of guy. Plus, his distrust is turning blue. 🙂
    It also shows that 3 FBI investigations are going on into Russian interference, influence, and messing with us. Ministry of Propaganda vs our Ministry of Propaganda. What is so surprising about knowing that there a 3 FBI probes going on is it took years to find out there is an open criminal investigation into the Foundation, and we learned that just months ago. I smell McCain and the Dogs of War.

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  9. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Brad C. Yep, you are right. After all, the Obama Administration classified vets gun owners, Evangelical Christians, chaplains, white people….just about everybody in the Basket of Deplorables as Radical White Domestic Terrorists, putting us ahead of environmental terrorists for the first time.
    So, you got your home grown Terrorists right here. Me, for one. Now, let’s say 3% of any population are terrorist. Stats and all that stuff. Why would you want to let 10,000 Islamic people in knowing that 3% are/would be radicalized and add 300 more to the crazy mix we already have here? We got are hands full with the homegrowns already and you want to add to the mess? That’s real glucked up, man.

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  10. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    He said specifically hi wants a special prosecutor Bill In hus own words
    ““You’re right that you cannot have somebody, a friend of mine, Jeff Sessions, who was on the campaign and who was an appointee,” Issa told Maher. “You’re going to need to use the special prosecutor’s statute and office.”

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  11. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Well, PE, you can run on Issa’s words all weekend long. That should keep you busy and you can give us the updates every fifteen minutes for the next 72 hours. I am going outside. It’s a burn day. Let me know when the Impeachment Hearings begin in the US. Senate. That is where the real action will be. Thanks.

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  12. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    But but bit Paul Emery, Issa knows Congress can’t do that. It is the Executive. Congress let the Special Prosecutor crap expire after the ridiculous Scooter Libby fiasco.

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  13. George Rebane Avatar
    George Rebane

    Peep! I am still waiting for someone, anyone to explain by what means did, or even could, the Russians impact the election’s outcome. Without stating a reasonable means, why start an investigation – because then it would be just an open ended hunt for … what?
    s/ A little voice in the wilderness.

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  14. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    He said specifically hi wants a special prosecutor Bill in hus own words. @1019 . Yes Mr. Fish, that poor ol’ poll head PE is indeed punchy. 😉

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  15. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: BradC | 25 February 2017 at 10:01 AM
    Except the hunt for the “Great White Defendant” has been so consistently a failure Jughead! Who do we have….Dylan Roof and your friend in Arizona….against Bataclan, Nice, Berlin, Boston Marathon, Riverside, Pulse Nightclub….etc.!

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  16. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    We see that as long as the media keeps it alive, even though it is dead, the zombie issue will be with us. This is how the left does it. The old “throw it against the wall” strategy so we must just get used to it. However, I have been tossing the issue back to the press via comments,m twitter and FB so they know we , well some of us, care.

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  17. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    George
    There were specific things revealed from the stolen emails that the Russians allegedly provided to Wikileaks that were featured in a major way in Trumps campaign. You know stuff from the DNC that led to the resignation of key campaign heads and there is no doubt that Trump benefited from and exploited this information in his campaign. How that affected this close election is up to speculation There are serious allegations and concerns from US intelligence that the Russians were involved in the process so a special investigation is necessary to clear this up.
    George, can you say to me that if it was the other way around with Clinton being accused that you would have the same attitude?

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  18. fish Avatar
    fish

    Or was I confused Jughead…..was this the “Radical White Domestic Terrorist” to which you referred?

    Great white stalks Orange County beaches…

    http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-shark-sighting-sunset-beach-20170224-story.html

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  19. Walt Avatar
    Walt

    Sorry Paul, the DNC isn’t the U.S. gov. It’s a private entity. I’m sure Russia is hacking
    the LIB elections at this moment. That’s not the U.S. gov’s problem. It’s the DEMS to deal with.

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  20. fish Avatar
    fish

    I thought this had to be a spoof by the right of clueless democrats……not looking like that’s the case!
    http://i1.wp.com/www.powerlineblog.com/ed-assets/2017/02/Hitlers-Wall.jpeg

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  21. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    There was an interesting moment at the DNC election today, while they were handing out wifi voting devices to the delegates there was a sudden change. Acting DNC chair Donna ‘here’s the questions’ Brazile suddenly ordered paper ballots to be handed out and the first ballot was done the old fashioned way. Is anyone surprised by the democrats skittishness with those modern computer based thingies? 😉

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  22. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Still no proof the Russians hacked the DNC anyway. Just kind of being guessed. If you have a definitive assessment of proof please provide it.

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  23. Walt Avatar
    Walt

    Lefties are sure going for broke. The anti semite Muslim just might get the job running the DNC. Great choice! Nothing like giving the wood stake to the vampire hunter.

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  24. ScenesFromTheApocalypse Avatar
    ScenesFromTheApocalypse

    re: Mr Fish @ 10:57
    I kind of like this one:
    http://www.trabajoenredtv.es/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Trump_Hitler1-1-354×354.jpg

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  25. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Hi! Just popped in to grab a cup of mud….and coffe, my drug of choice.
    First, let Paul run with it. Second, I never read Paul’s link about Issa. Third, and this is the big one, Issa said he would like a special investigation or wants one. Fine.
    Now, in politics one never takes things at face value. Wide canyon between like to see one, want to see one, and…and…CALLING for a Special Prosecutor. Maybe he was floating a trial ballon to see the response. Maybe it is only about digging into Russia’s part. Heck, the big wigs that have already lied to Congress twice (CIA Director and NSA chief at the time) are gone and others with them. What, call Loretta Lynch in?
    But, I saw how pissed off Issa was at the State Department when he was going after Hillary. And Justice. They literally stalled and stalled until the two year Congress term expired and the changing of the committee guard. 19 months and still waiting for documents from Kennedy at State, who, BTW, is gone as well.
    Maybe, just maybe, Issa is licking his chops waiting to get some Intel out of the Black Hole of government and shove it down Hillary’s windpipe. Maybe.
    Or maybe take his comment at face value. Congress is on recess right now, so we will just have to see what happens when they all get back into one place and chew the fat.
    Keith E. Harkim already had called for impeachment. Bet he wins the DNC chair today. If they don’t elect a brother then the urban sewer rats will start rioting downtown and busting things up. No, Ellison is in because of his skin. Perez is in Hillary’s pocket. Later.

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  26. ScenesFromTheApocalypse Avatar
    ScenesFromTheApocalypse

    The kind of thing that happens where your political ‘movement’ is built largely of special interest groups.
    http://www.mediaite.com/online/dershowitz-i-will-leave-democratic-party-and-urge-others-to-do-so-if-ellison-is-dnc-chair/
    Modern politics has lead to a certain amount of life simplification, though. Republicans = strongly pro-Israel. Democrats = strongly pro-Arab/Islam. I’m really curious to see how the Jewish community in the US chooses candidates from here on. The Saudis seem to have definitely gotten their money’s worth.

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  27. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    Darn it, the Dems dodged the bullet and elected Perez as the new DNC chair by a margin of 235 to 200. Well at least Dershowitz wont have to go green. 😉

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  28. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    Hold that thought, Perez’s first act as DNC chair was to make comrade Keith xxx deputy chair of the DNC. Cool, they get their cake and we get to eat it. So will deputy chair make Dershowitz flee the DNC?

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  29. Walt Avatar
    Walt

    No real worries, the Communist DEM party is full of promises and real short on deliveries.

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  30. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    If Keith E Hakim does not win, Bernie ain’t going to cough up his donor lists….all those names and e-mails of those donors who sent small checks, coins, and love letters in. But, the Dem Establish ain’t going to turn over their massive power structure and cushy seats to just anybody.
    The Blue Dog Dems were casualties of 2010 anti-Obamacare backlash and are gone. The old blue collar Dems are abandoning ship. The Dem Party should move to the out to the deep end on the far left scale. No middle no more. It’s about time everybody gets smoked or smoked out. Jew hater running the DNC. And an Islamofascist to boot. Who knows. Flint Fats Michael Moore supports him, Bernie is in, Chucky’s Wall Street boyz back him….Warren does, but she don’t matter. Hillary don’t. Hmmmm. Fight for the Left wing of the Alt-Left Party. That is a winning strategy……..in Red America.
    Looks like identity politics will be the “stay the course” mantra for awhile..IF Keith E. Hakim wins today.
    http://dailycaller.com/2016/11/26/keith-ellison-once-proposed-making-a-separate-country-for-blacks/

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  31. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Well, that sucks. I was wrong. Hillary got her hand picked man in, just like she got her 2008 campaign co-chair in at the DNC, Debbie Whatsername Sgt. Shultz. All the machinery stays in the safe Establishment hands. Things are back to normal. Now, Obama is making his move. Very interesting power struggle. Where will the Bernie Boys go now?

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  32. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    The army corps of engineers report that 240 industrial dumpster loads of eco warrior trash has been hauled out of the Dakota access protest site. They estimate that it will take another 240 or so loads to finish. A contract has been awarded to an environmental clean up company to deal with the toxic leftovers in the soil.
    So the snowflakes end up destroying what they supposedly were there to protect, priceless. 😉

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  33. BradC Avatar
    BradC

    Oh, too bad, Trump just chickened out on attending the Washington correspondents dinner party. I guess he cannot handle being roasted by anyone.

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  34. George Rebane Avatar
    George Rebane

    PaulE 1049am – Your reasoning was way too sophisticated for my poor pea brain; I simply could not follow it. Can you lay it out in simpler terms.
    And, of course, I would have the same sentiments if the Russian hacking shoe were on the other foot. What do you take me for?

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  35. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Oh Brad, that news is 10 days old when they were talking about cancelling it this year. Who would want to spend 5 minutes with those self absorbed press types anyway? They suck big time and Trump would just slap them around and they would run to their safe place and pout per normal..
    Sure, Trump chickened out. Brad, go ask the Mrs. if it was good for you.

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  36. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    That did not take long:
    http://100percentfedup.com/just-minutes-after-new-dnc-chair-chosen-wikileaks-exposes-him-for-political-wrongdoing/

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  37. Walt Avatar
    Walt

    Bloody love it Bill! As they say,, Praise the Lord and Wikileaks. It sure took a “leak” down the backs of LIBs. A nice, warm, stream….
    That was the Russians too.. Right Paul?

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  38. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    That Putin is a funny guy. 🙂

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  39. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    As evidence of the great divide just look at BC portraying the Prez giving the big middle finger to the press as chickening out. Why would he go honor them? Now there will be no live tv coverage. Talk about marginalizing! 😉

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  40. Walt Avatar
    Walt

    Something I haven’t seen much on.
    http://www.wakefieldexpress.co.uk/news/environment/mysterious-radioactive-cloud-moves-towards-uk-as-plane-which-tackled-chernobyl-called-in-to-find-source-1-8407845
    Someone testing a dirty bomb?

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  41. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    I saw that the other day Walt, they don’t use that plane unless its something serious. Lots of EU countries monitoring stations have elevated levels. There was some speculation that the Russians may have tested something way up north in the snow zone. Did he use a low yield device on Santa and Rudolf! 😉

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  42. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    You knew that would not stick. Punish the student? Well, OCC, you junior college you. Is that what you teach in a human sexuality course? If you can’t make them see the light, make them feel the heat,
    http://heatst.com/culture-wars/college-rescinds-suspension-of-student-who-recorded-professors-anti-trump-rant/
    Topic followup:
    “Most professors objecting to being recorded know on some level that they are persuasive only when their audience is composed largely of very young people just out of high school. They know that if their ideas are exposed to adults, they may be revealed as intellectual lightweights.”
    https://patriotpost.us/opinion/47569

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  43. BradC Avatar
    BradC

    Bessie – you are such a dork! It is the Washington correspondent’s dinner – not some honoring ceremony, fool!

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  44. BradC Avatar
    BradC

    It would have been a hoot though to see a Colbert style roast of ‘The Chosen One’.

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  45. BradC Avatar
    BradC

    News flash, I never like the Jeri curl lady from Florida, and I don’t like Tom Perez for DNC chair – not that I give a hoot one way or another – Wikileaks, drain that swamp!
    I liked this guy, too bad he couldn’t make it,
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/pete-buttigieg-dnc-drops-out_us_58b1c4f8e4b0780bac29ebd8

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  46. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    Wrong snowflake BC @ 5, its the White House Correspondents dinner, the presence of the commander in chief is an honor he is denying them. Well that and tv coverage. Thank you for again validating the premise @ 416. 😉

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  47. BradC Avatar
    BradC

    With the personal insults I have been receiving, me thinks the crew here might be starting to wonder if ‘the emperor’ might actually not be wearing clothes.

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  48. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    Insults I have been receiving says snowflake BC who just hurled dork and fool at me.
    Classic lefty deflection, when proved wrong, posture as the victim and run to a safe space! Playdough anyone? 😉

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  49. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Brad, that Peter Buttigiggles looks like a dork as well.
    I am thinking more and more that the person who downloaded Podesta’s files had to be a Bernie Bro. Whomever it was, got into the DCCC as well….maybe originated from the DNC then in to Podesta’s and the DCCC…..timing is like a disgruntled Bernie Bro. Released the night before the big DNC HRC Predetermined Coronation and then 18 minutes after Bernie’s boytoy Keith gets the participation trophy. Sounds like a disgruntled Postal Worker to me.
    Did enjoy Debbie Whatername Shultzzz being the first DNC chair that was not able to attend the Convention she worked so hard to put together. I miss ole bug eyes with that wild hair.
    My password is password.

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  50. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    When Obama made fun of Trump at that dinner a few years ago I said to myself, “Hmmm, he should run and kick his ass.”

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