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[The pro/con outrages in the news about President Trump are filling up sandboxes even faster than usual. And the spate of eagerly published fake news stories that get retracted regularly now are keeping several pots boiling in the intervals. gjr]

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297 responses to “Sandbox – 24jan17”

  1. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Opps. Here is the correct link to progressive values @ 7:48 pm….sorry
    http://dailycaller.com/2017/01/26/womens-march-featured-speaker-who-kidnapped-raped-and-tortured-a-man/

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  2. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    I call it the “Liberal Woman’s March” and It is catching on. Just saw a gal say that on CNN.

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  3. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    George, Gregory
    Here’s the final conclusion of the “fresh study”
    “Is it plausible that non-citizen votes added to Clinton’s margin? Yes,” Mr. Richman wrote. “Is it plausible that non-citizen votes account for the entire nation-wide popular vote margin held by Clinton? Not at all.”

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  4. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    So now PE admits massive voter fraud by illegal immigrants. Good for you Paul, your showing growth. Gradual acceptance is a good step forward. We will divine the actual numbers from the voter lists being cross-referenced by the DOJ. 😉

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  5. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Brad! Yep, that’s our boy. He sure has been pissing off the Republicans lately. He is something else I tell ya. He is even pissing off the Alt-Left and the Dems. That’s why we elected him, with the help of boatloads of women, of course. Fist pumping in the air time!
    https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.217983685002343.55586.217926015008110/1015252898608747/?type=3&theater
    Brad, next time don’t stay away so long. Been waiting for you all day, good buddy. Now, get busy.
    https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.217983685002343.55586.217926015008110/1013975472069823/?type=3&theater

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  6. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    PE- Are you ok with Lizzy Warrens hidden Bank of America $1,300,000.00 line of credit, sounds frishy to me?

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  7. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    George, Gregory
    Why do you think Jason Chaffetz has no interest in the question and doesn’t see any evidence? From Fox News:
    Last night, while attending the GOP retreat in Philadelphia, Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-UT) told reporters that the committee that he chairs, the House Oversight Committee, isn’t “planning to do anything” when it comes to investigating Trump’s claims.
    “On the voter fraud issue, that really happens at the county level. I don’t see any evidence,” Chaffetz said.

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  8. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    Who cares what some congressman says when the executive branch has issued a seek and destroy target order on illegal aliens voting? Its all about enforcing the laws on the books, ALL OF THEM! Team 0 hoped for change, we are seeing REAL CHANGE. God bless us one and all. You too PE. 😉

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  9. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Oh @8:50 pm, my little 8:50 pm.
    Chaffetz is too busy with his multi-pronged investigation into the damage Hillary did to the State Department and our country via her private server that put our nation and overseas personnel at risk. Very busy and he won’t stop. He is a bulldog. One track mind.
    Trump will proceed to protect the integrity of the ballot via the Justice Department and FEC. Hey, Loris Lerner did such a great job at the FEC, Obama brought her over to the IRS to do a few special errands for him. Voter fraud procesutuon is the job of the AG, not Congress. Sessions is experienced in putting fraudsters in the clink.
    Heads up. Give it a month and remember the names “Riverside County” and “Alex Padilla”. Corruption goes in straight line up the ladder. That is something our Deep Blue State wants to keep a lid on tight, but what do I know. 🙂

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  10. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Ok, last time, then no mas. Trump is playing them like a Stradivarius and they keep falling for it. Hey PE, tell me about that crowd size one more time. I dunno. I think it was the biggest crowd in history. Let’s spend hours proving it wrong.
    Keep your eyes on the bouncing ball. Opiate of the masses.
    http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/01/27/dr-keith-ablow-whats-really-going-on-in-trumps-mind-hint-its-not-what-think.html

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  11. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Ah, Paul 825, so that virtually non existent illegal voting isn’t a problem because … at about a million illegals votes… it didn’t change anything?
    How many would be a problem in Paul’s world… two million? Three million?

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  12. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE 825pm – Claiming that something is not ‘plausible’ is not the same thing as saying it is not possible. Plausible means having the appearance of truth or being generally credible to a wide audience. Like beauty, plausibility is in the (mind’s) eye of the beholder.

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  13. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    It shall be interesting to see which congressional districts had significant illegal alien votes. In Cali it could result in some state offices switching after the purge, could it not PE? 😉

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  14. Walt Avatar

    Paul needs another reminder. Yes you can win by voter fraud. Just ask Al Franken.
    Just a dose of facts for PE.
    http://www.redstate.com/patterico/2016/10/20/throwback-thursday-remember-rigged-al-franken-election/
    What? that not good enough?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_election_in_Minnesota,_2008
    Come on… How much more do you need?
    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/10/no-voter-fraud-us-three-prominent-examples/
    Oh.. You meant “THIS” election.. No worries PE,,, the investigation has yet to even start. So never mind what’s already turned up.

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  15. ScenesFromTheApocalypse Avatar
    ScenesFromTheApocalypse

    Joke of the day.
    https://imgur.com/LUtAgf3

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  16. Russ Avatar
    Russ

    This Is How the Country Breaks Apart
    JASON WILLICK writing at the American Interest
    The Golden State is symbolically showcasing its commitment to tolerance and inclusion… by cutting off state funds for travel (including for college athletic competitions) to states that the legislature deems insufficiently socially liberal.
    [ooo]
    It is ironic that the Golden State is taking such an aggressively anti-federalist position seeing as many of its own policies are on a collision course with those of the Trump administration and it will surely invoke states rights to try and defend them. But needless to say, California-type policies could go both ways; for example, red states could cut off state-funded travel with states that contain sanctuary cities. We do not want to go down this road.
    How delicious that would be if red states applied the same rules that CA libs use to punish those they disagree with. There are far more conservative red state legislatures now than before the Democrat Party collapsed in the 2016 elections.
    More evidence of the coming great divide?

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  17. BradC Avatar
    BradC

    Yo, BillT! – I think we need to think about doing a condo development in northern Idaho…but the dwellings will be bunkers!
    http://www.businessinsider.com/luxury-bunker-sales-are-soaring-due-to-election-2016-10

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  18. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Gregory | 27 January 2017 at 09:50 PM
    How many would be a problem in Paul’s world… two million? Three million?

    It’s not “how many”……it’s for whom they are cast.
    Progressive candidate…..not a problem. Conservative/libertarian candidate…..problem.

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  19. BradC Avatar
    BradC

    Is this what Trump wants to get a bunch of publicity for? It’s like someone gave Trump a hotel; he puts his name on the building and takes credit for building it. What a hoot!
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/visa-waiver-libya-somalia-yemen_us_56c5fc45e4b0c3c550540558

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  20. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Oh Brad, you did not build that.

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  21. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Where is our data dummy this morning?
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=N_siBjw2FrA

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  22. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    One of the interesting items in the fine print of the immigration executive order was the directive to fully enforce and collect fines. The law is on the books and has never been enforced. 1st offense for facilitation or aiding an illegal immigrant is $10,000 per, for repeat offenders its $20,000 per violation. That could put a dent in a lot of pockets, I wonder if they will levy fines on cities for facilitation violations? Talk about a big stick, not only will you lose your federal grant money but we will fine you for every illegal alien a city harbors. That could add up very fast, OUCH! 😉

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  23. Walt Avatar

    Well round TWO of mining here is about to begin. New owners of Idaho Maryland mine. And Canadians again no less!
    I wonder if the same old anti mining gang is going to regroup. Steve Enos going to start with his “toxic” crap?
    The city of GV going to go back to fleecing the new guys for every dime they can, and still refuse the permits? More DIRs yet nothing has really changed since the last ones were done.
    50 impacted wells turns into 500.
    I have seen this movie before.
    http://www.theunion.com/news/business/canadian-company-buys-idaho-maryland-mine-for-2-million/

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  24. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    It makes sense for Canadians to buy up our companies… as a Canadian company, lower taxes will be paid and so a Canadian company can afford to pay more to American shareholders who, when faced with selling to American companies at a lower price or taking the Maple Leafs and running, decide to go for the exercise.
    The proposed GOP tax reforms would change the situation.

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  25. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Forget it Walt
    With the final touches to the blue takeover in Nevada County only two years away I doubt if the political atmosphere will go for digging tunnels under Grass Valley and creating more sink holes.

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  26. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Oh my Paul Emery predictions. How did the Trump predictions work out>

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  27. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    from the well reguarded (on this blog) Cato Institute on the banning of entryfor citizes of 7 Islamic Countruies
    “Tomorrow, President Trump is expected to sign an executive order enacting a 30-day suspension of all visas for nationals from Iraq, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria, and Yemen. Foreigners from those seven nations have killed zero Americans in terrorist attacks on U.S. soil between 1975 and the end of 2015.
    “Contrary to alarmist political rhetoric, the appeal of revolutionary violence has remained very limited among Muslim-Americans,” Charles Kurzman, a professor at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill and the author of the Triangle Center report, said in a statement. “Let’s use this empirical evidence to guide our policy-making and public debates on violent extremism.”
    https://www.cato.org/blog/little-national-security-benefit-trumps-executive-order-immigration

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  28. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Go Trump. Keep the terrorists out of here.

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  29. George Rebane Avatar

    Did I miss something, or was it our beloved PaulE? I thought the reported cause of the current sink hole was a culvert that failed, not a forgotten mine shaft. For those new to area, horizontal mine shafts are much deeper underground than the few tens of feet of our community’s infrastructure water courses. And mine shafts are not conduits for flowing water since any such water would quickly collapse the mine shaft and stop the flow. But none of that matters when liberals, like the aforementioned, start panicking the community’s low-information types.

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  30. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Went by today, it is a failed culvert.

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  31. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    You would have to ask why did the former owners of the mine failed to present an acceptable EIR on the project. One of the major concerns were the possibility of collapsing ground due to mining activity. Sinkhole? Depends on how you define he word. A hole in the ground that sinks is what? A sinkhole.
    The whole thing was a scam anyway.
    Either way doesn’t have a chance of pass9ng the planning commission and City Council. One of the after effects of Trump winning is the huge activation of local activism. Never seen anything like it.

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  32. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    The downside of the activism that is giving Paul a tingle up his leg is that it may well tend to turn off swing voters. If the GOP succeeds at the national level, that local bluification the local regressive Progressives are counting on may reverse itself.
    It remains amusing how the Progressives have exercised their right to selective amnesia and are ignoring Gloria Steinem’s “One Free Grope Rule” that would give Trump the same Get Out Of Hell card that was given Bubba, who actually got taken to court for sexual harassment, and lost, because Bubba didn’t take no for an answer:
    “In a 1998 press interview, Steinem weighed in on the Clinton impeachment hearings when asked whether President Bill Clinton should be impeached for lying under oath, she was quoted as saying, “Clinton should be censured for lying under oath about Lewinsky in the Paula Jones deposition, perhaps also for stupidity in answering at all.” In a March 22, 1998 Op/Ed piece in the New York Times, she effectively gave support to the notion that a man may: (1) uninvited, open-mouth kiss a woman; (2) uninvited, fondle a woman’s breast; and (3) uninvited, take a woman’s hand and place it on the man’s genitals; and as long as the man retreats once the woman says “no” that this does not constitute sexual harassment. This has become known in the popular culture as the “One Free Grope” Theory. The Op/Ed piece was written in an attempt to defend then President Clinton against allegations of sexual impropriety that had been made by White House volunteer Kathleen Willey.”
    http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Gloria_Steinem#Quotes
    Hypocrisy is an equal opportunity rathole.

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  33. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    PE- from the well regarded cato… Well regarded by you perhaps. ‘huge activation of local activism. Never seen anything like it.’ That’s funny PE, looks like the same old same old in NC. 😉

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  34. George Rebane Avatar

    Are you gentlemen still linking the sinkhole to the likelihood that GV or the county will allow a new mining business to establish itself here and create some much needed jobs and tax revenues? I like the way the above debate skips willy-nilly from one aspect to another without coming to some resolution on any of them. Definitely hard to follow.

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  35. Walt Avatar

    Be afraid paul, be VARY afraid. The anti mine gang used lie after lie. Fear is a good tool to use on the ignorant. ECO crap. Like bitching about raising the creek three inches.
    OH!! dewatering will cool the stream! The mill will be an eyesore! CYANIDE!!! Lies about how the extraction of gold would happen. Using mine accidents with not one bit of relation to this mine.
    Promises of “high tech” jobs that would fill the void. To this day, those “high tech” jobs have yet to arrive.
    So start filling your buckets of crap to fling.

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  36. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    DR. R 323- PE’s ADD issues do come to the fore on occasion. 😉

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  37. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Well my pal attended the Dollar General EIR comments last week and there is the NO JOBS, NO BUSINESS gangs again. Jesus Christ would ot get a mini-mart on our county. PE may be on to something.

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  38. Walt Avatar

    Paul. With the money tit going dry all because Ca. harboring illegals, the state will be looking for money. And money getting dug from the ground will start looking pretty good.
    The EPA is getting it’s teeth pulled. Yup, less regs. to contend with.
    You can bet the new mine “owners” have been forewarned of your pal’s tactics. Armed with that knowledge, expect a harder fight.

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  39. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    Todd- I was at the draft EIR meeting too. It was the same crews as usual who were not even talking about the EIR for the most part, nothing new there at all. I did note that there was commissioner push back on even having an EIR when the properties are already zoned for the use. I did notice that PE, the KVMR news guy was not there. 😉

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  40. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Yes I heard the properties do conform to the zoning so once again to me it proved zoning is bullsh** and why have it. And to force a business on three separate parcels not connected phyiscally to go through this is not lawful. My guess is that County Counsel gal is at her best again. She destroyed the San Juan mine with unlawful advice and the Supes let her. That is why PE is on to something. Even with three R’s we can’t get squat accomplished.

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  41. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    But that’s nothing new or different as you note Todd, we have seen this all before. 😉

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  42. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    While that’s a “negative” in terms of state tax revenue, the budget calls it a “positive development” from “an income distribution standpoint.” Apparently the governor thinks a wider distribution of poverty is a worthy goal.
    Well, he has achieved it. California now has the highest poverty rate of any state in the nation, 20.6 percent, when calculated under the U.S. Census Bureau’s Supplemental Poverty Measure to account for the cost of living.
    http://www.ocregister.com/articles/jobs-742398-don-brown.html

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  43. Walt Avatar

    I can hear it now. “DOPE will save the cities and county! Who needs a mine?”

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  44. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Regarding tunnels, I love the scene in Paint Your Wagon where the tunnels under the fictional No Name City (inspired by Nevada City) start collapsing, and the preacher is greeted by his nemesis:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFI2L4fv-uE
    I’ve read Lee Marvin referred to the movie as Cat Ballou II, and had it written in that he could drink on the set. Real booze in the bottles.

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