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20 January 2017

[President Trump made the most populist and unambiguous pro-America inauguration speech in history today. In many ways it was an 'in your face' indictment of his predecessor. Now it is time to deliver. Godspeed to our new President! gjr]

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382 responses to “Sandbox – 20jan17”

Bill Tozer

21 January 2017

Walt @ 8:04 pm.
Tried to want them this ain’t Baltimore or Oakland. No, this is our Nation’s Capitol and this is on federal land. There is a new sheriff in town.
Gotta go. I hear the little lady and friends driving up. I best hide my Make America Great Again hat and get ready to listen how their Day of Rage went down in Sacramento. Better down there than here.
I need to pretend I am sooo interested. The sacrifices I make to not sleep outside on a rainy night. I never ince I did not know who is the boss of me. That kind of wisdom comes with age. 🙂

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stevenfrisch

21 January 2017

So, to the people who said today’s marches would be violent, what say you to somewhere between 500,000 and 750,000 in LA and not a single arrest. What say you to 500,000 in DC and not ONE single arrest?

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Don Bessee

21 January 2017

Stevie you are so cute. BBC said it was a million around the world. What ever will be will be, you LOST everywhere! You continue to avoid your irrationality about the WH website, did you get that tired talking point from hufpo? I could give you a referral for therapy from the best strong women if you are up to it. 😉

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Todd Juvinall

21 January 2017

Frisch are you daft? Marley was a Jamaican pothead if I recall. Your buddy?

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Todd Juvinall

21 January 2017

Women tend to be more peaceful than SBC types so no surprise if arrests were down. Most were looking for a man in a uniform anyway. 1.4 million at the innaug. Goo numbers. Maybe a million for the gas worldwide.

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Bill Tozer

21 January 2017

Ok, the Day of Rage is almost over! Did everybody get their YAYAs out? I did. I feel exhausted. We made some real progress here today. Time to draw the curtains tight and go hide in the bomb shelter. Never know if there might be a last gasp incoming barrage in the wee hours. There is always one who has to get the last word in.
Today was a grand day. Took some effort, but I can finally feel the love. Nightly night.

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fish

22 January 2017

Yeah….no surprise here! More lefty “Astroturfing”!

“Ex-WSJ Reporter Finds George Soros Has Ties To More Than 50 “Partners” Of The Women’s March

Curse those Koch Brothers!
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-22/ex-wsj-reporter-finds-soros-has-ties-more-50-partners-women%E2%80%99s-march-washington

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fish

22 January 2017

Wonder how long it takes for this to be credited to refugees representing the “Religion of Peace”!

Man in Sweden ‘live-streamed gang rape on Facebook’

http://www.thelocal.se/20170122/three-in-sweden-live-streamed-gang-rape-on-facebook

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George Rebane

22 January 2017

Re stevenfrisch 812pm – I guess this thread started with my 556pm giving a more nuanced interpretation of ‘sucking off the government tit’. Mr Frisch’s farfetched counter to this was to invoke both the RR 25dec16 nativity scene, and the dialogue between Scrooge and Marley’s ghost wherein Marley appeals to Scrooge’s better angels to help his near destitute employee Cratchit during Christmas. Mr Frisch invites me to listen to Marley in order to properly liken ag subsidies with food stamps, and presumably other wealth transfer payments to the poor and destitute.
Well enough! Then let’s both review the progressives’ litany when they cite Jesus, the prophets and saints, and now Marley (Dickens) to promote government charities and other wealth redistribution programs. Here the mistake they reliably repeat as they hold up these personages as proponents of overarching government, while poking conservative Christians in their supposedly hypocritical eye, is that none of these ancients ever advised that government should mediate charity. Their singular message was that we as individuals should look around us and, to the best of our abilities, help those in need – directly, from our hand to theirs.
When Jesus exhorted us to ‘Render unto Caesar that which is Caesars’, and unto God what is God’s.’, we interpret the ‘render to God’ part as doing God’s work among our neighbors which includes the poor ones. Specifically we understand this personal involvement within the further clarification from Jesus, ‘Verily I say unto you, inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.’ Again, government mediation is neither mentioned nor meant.
And in that spirit the unfortunately transcendent Marley (of Dickens, the reluctant and tendentious Christian) advises Scrooge in the strongest of terms to do good by directly and personally providing succor to his disadvantaged employee – “one of the least of these”.
http://dickens.ucsc.edu/resources/faq/religion.html
In the final analysis, my dear Mr Frisch, it is your taxpaying Ebeneezer Scrooge who embodies exactly what you and yours believe when you quote his response to Marley in which he evokes the charitable institutions of state as being sufficient for the care and disposition of the poor and indigent.
So here we again highlight the yawning ideological chasm between our two sides. But I do hope that in the future you invoke personages more obviously credentialed when you next promote collectivism or seek to critique us in the practice of our faith. Nevertheless, thank you for the exchange.

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stevenfrisch

22 January 2017

Man, that’s a lot of lipstick on the pig of your hypocrisy George.
I know a lot of Christians, many are in my family, and I respect many of them, and I particularly respect the ones who spent their lives helping people who struggle with poverty and disadvantage.
Here is what you said, “But what do the food stamps recipients produce other than a burden on our sewer systems and the occasional gang banger? ”
I am saying it is not a very Christian thing to equate someone else’s suffering with the amount of shit produced and its dog whistle racism to equate them with ‘gang bangers’ and you know it.
You are going to hide behind the fig leaf of the gang banger reference being interpreted as race by me, that you never meant it, but the readers here know full well exactly WTF you meant.
You think like that, and there is a God, then you’re going to hell my friend.

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Todd Juvinall

22 January 2017

Soros reminds me of the men in a movie years ago about a terrorist attack in London. When all the terrorists were eradicated the one left was told by some British gazillionaire that he would fund the next round.

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Walt

22 January 2017

There will be one less “sewer pipe” of money. ECO welfare (grant moneys) is going away.
Will there be a certain “someone” with a cardboard sign in front of Kmart begging for ECO bucks?

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stevenfrisch

22 January 2017

Posted by: Walt | 22 January 2017 at 11:32 AM
Well it ain’t going to be me Walt because I don;t get a dime from the federal government.

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BradC

22 January 2017

Alternative facts for an alternate reality in an alternate universe?
http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/22/politics/kellyanne-conway-alternative-facts/index.html

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Don Bessee

22 January 2017

Hey Frisch, how about posting your non prof taxes to prove that so we can trace the money from group to group and be sure it did not start as tax or soros dollars. 😉

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Todd Juvinall

22 January 2017

BrtadC 1144, you are putting CNN as a source? Doesn’t work here with their fake news and bias.
DonB 1157, the audit will expose all that.

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George Rebane

22 January 2017

stevenfrisch 1056am – and now you are even the arbiter on the gates of hell. My, my.
You’ve demonstrated again why reasoned dialogue is impossible between our two sides – and revealing the nature of that divide is one of the objectives of RR.
Nowhere have I made the equation that you claim. Recognizing the burden that the poor create does not in any way equate with their suffering. Neither does the burden of ag subsidies equate with their contribution of foodstuffs to our economy. And whether/how to continue those programs is yet another issue. One of progressives’ weaknesses is their inability to parse an argument. Instead they immediate mount the higher pedestal of ‘I know what you actually meant’ when they know nothing of the sort as they confound and contort the attempted systematic analysis of any social problem.
But cutting to the chase, I believe that the public policies that you and yours have backed with the imposition of government into the lives of the poor, especially the minority poor, is the seminal cause and continuation of untold misery and countless deaths in our inner cities which have been under your political thumb now for over two generations. Your only response to this criticism so far has been the ‘I’m holier than thou, and we know what they need.’ given above.

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stevenfrisch

22 January 2017

Posted by: Don Bessee | 22 January 2017 at 11:57 AM
They are on my web site and have been for years. You can also find them at Guidestar.com As I am sure you know since you work in and with non-profits our 990’s are public record.

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Todd Juvinall

22 January 2017

GeorgeR at 1201.
I would say our country through subsidies has done some things we may not recognize as good. Since 5% of the people pay the bulk of the taxes, that then go to subsidize some farmers, that keeps the price down to the poor for that tomato. Plus all the free food at the handouts. So in a way, Frisch has the best of both worlds. The poor don’t pay taxes, and the rich subsidize their food. And he skates responsibility for both.

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Don Bessee

22 January 2017

In another blow to the party line echo chamber, the Trump inauguration had massive TV ratings and when streaming was factored in (like at the Freedom Center) it was likely the largest inaugural viewing audience ever. The TV number alone were the 2nd highest in 40 years. Who knew the knuckle dragging deplorables used computers? 😉

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Don Bessee

22 January 2017

News tid bits; Admin confirms Embassy move to Jerusalem, Pope says countries have the right to control boarders and have orderly migration, Germany says of course we can compromise and increase our Defense budget (currently 1.2 v 2% required in NATO charter). Germany also enjoys a significant trade surplus with US.
What a difference a day can make! 😉

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Walt

22 January 2017

Transparency is claimed by the “SBC”? Going through those IRS doc.s, nothing is readily visible on contributors. A page get left out?
Maybe someone can point those donors out.
http://sierrabusiness.org/images/Transparency/SBC_Form990_2015.pdf
Page #7 is interesting.

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Todd Juvinall

22 January 2017

The audit will find it all Walt.

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stevenfrisch

22 January 2017

Posted by: Todd Juvinall | 22 January 2017 at 11:59 AM
I am audited every year Todd, by an independent third party auditor who is licensed to follow GAAP and report any problems.
I have an independent audit committee that reviews financial and communicates independently with those auditors. My board members are required to file conflict of interest statements. I have the highest rating for both financial practices and transparency that can be earned from the independent third party reviewing body at Guidestar.
I also file a Schedule C which shows that our lobbying expenses are well within the IRS limits.
I have nothing to fear from an audit by the IRS and would welcome any recommendations they might make about improving our practices.
Walt, my reporting is 100% in order and do not require that I disclose sources of income to third parties, only to the IRS or California Secretary of State.

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Todd Juvinall

22 January 2017

Sure you are.

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Walt

22 January 2017

So what you said to Don is pure BS. Got it. Go back and see his post.
From Don’s post “so we can trace the money from group to group and be sure it did not start as tax or soros dollars. ;-)”
You state “They are on my web site and have been for years”
We have our own local version of the Clinton Foundation.
Yes, the SBC needs a dose of what the IRS did to the Tea Party. As the say,, “what’s good for one,,,”

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Todd Juvinall

22 January 2017

Can’t hardly wait for my request.

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stevenfrisch

22 January 2017

Free speech buddy, free speech.
Can’t wait for “your request” either. I am sure the IRS will see right through it.

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Walt

22 January 2017

Free speech? I guess outing one’s self as a liar falls into that freedom. (Hay,, YOUR the one who said “They are on my web site and have been for years”)

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Todd Juvinall

22 January 2017

What is they say Walt? thieves never prosper?
The IRS is a hard ass department I have heard.

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stevenfrisch

22 January 2017

Posted by: Walt | 22 January 2017 at 01:55 PM
What, you know that anyone reading here can see the truth correct? It really is a post fact world…but this is the post fact site.

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stevenfrisch

22 January 2017

What do you guys think of the fact that according to Kellyanne Conway on ABC’s This Week this morning Donald Trump will not release his tax returns even after they are finished being audited? Here is her direct quote, “”The White House response is that he’s not going to release his tax returns. We litigated this all through the election. People didn’t care. They voted for him,”
This is going back on a direct promise he made during the campaign to release his taxes.
Can I see you do the dance of the seven veils to condone that while Todd the harasser is claiming to request and audit from the iRS for me?
I even gave my taxes to you 🙂
What a bunch of tools you guys are. The man flat up lied to you (that is what a lie looks like Walt) and you are going to swallow it like..well… he swallows Putin.

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Bill Tozer

22 January 2017

Well, looks like those signs our women folk carried did not have a residual effect here. The ones I liked were protesting for kindness, I am not opposed to kindness, within certain boundaries. . . .:)
Steve is secure in his endeveavers. Remember this is CA. Arnold signed the bill that says we only have 3 more years to get our carbon footprint back to 1990 levels. The State supports this goal, and the voters apparently are fine with it.
CA voters and people have already fought this out. The people have decided it is better to pay more and get less in return, as far as costs go. No doubt Green Jobs have shown a dramatic increase in growth, albeit a 200% increase does not hide the fact that 1.5% of the labor force doing green jobs has grown to under 3%. Give or take, play with numbers and timeframes all day long. It still is a small, but growing part of the economy. To put it in perspective, as big as Agriculture is in CA, it’s only 7% of the CA economy last I looked.
A blue State like California and its popular green policies does not necessarily transfer to say, the Rust Belt. Climate is an critical component. There are green job growth in Red States, of course, as in the Sun Belt for example. Northeastern Blue States look to more wind power generation, which currently is as unreliable as hydropower is in the southern Sierra. Nationally, conservation has done wonders to reduce the carbon footprint and is free! Turn off the lights when you leave the room, use a window fan instead of the AC, etc. that works great for most residential users. No need to waste more space.
Bottomline: this is the bubble of CA. There is majority popular support to make sacrifices, pay more to get less, add burdensome regulations on certain out of favor industries and businesses, add expensive State funding to green industries and technologies with uncertain results…… all for a vision of a sustainable future. Steve is safe no matter what comes down the pike in Washington DC. The State of California has earmarks for the Steve’s of the world simply because it is a high priority in California. Higher than maintaining roads it seems at times. States rights and the USA being 50 labatories of experiments to see what works in each state.
Steve will not have the plug pulled on him simply because this is the Left Coast. If Steve says he had crossed all the t’s and dotted all the i’s and practicing transparency, then there is no there there. The restaurant biz already gave Steve a taste of how nasty the Board of Equalization and other State regulation and revenue collecting agencies can be. They delight in making one’s life miserable. He has learned some valuable lessons, I imagine. Barking up the wrong tree.
But, it is so fun to poke back at him. The IRS has much much much bigger and easier corrupt beyond corrupt fish to fry in CA than some little outfit in Truckee, I can assure ya. They just lack the political will. Plus, budgets were set for the year months ago. Patience my little ones, patience. Now is not the time to unleash the dogs of war. 🙂

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Walt

22 January 2017

I really don’t give a whoop about Trump’s Taxes. He’s audited every year.
Now how come all of “O”‘s doc.s are still sealed? Everything of record in his past has been locked up tight.
If Trump DID put them out for public display, ol’ Steve wouldn’t even know were to begin.
The front of the semi trailer or the back.
Trump is out to cut the budget with a logging axe. Gov. handouts to questionable “nonprofits” are the first to go. As Trump puts it, “It’s not the government’s job, nor the taxpayer’s responsibility”. (paraphrased)

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Todd Juvinall

22 January 2017

I have never supported a Prez candidate having to publish his tax return so it is no biggee. I want to see Frisch’s personal returns. How about it Steve.

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Don Bessee

22 January 2017

It looks kind frischy to duck the issues with Trump has not released his! It seems the conversation was about global warming cash, soros money and tax dollars. Release your/the taxes if there are no issues. 😉

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Paul Emery

22 January 2017

George writes:
stevenfrisch 1056am – and now you are even the arbiter on the gates of hell.
What is different between what you cite as a critique from Frish that condemns you to the gates of hell and Todds rather harsh prescription for my afterlife which would be an eternity of living in a fire pit with assorted snakes as my roommates for not being Christian according to his definition. There was not a peep from you on that matter.

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Don Bessee

22 January 2017

Report- Secret Service is opening Madonna investigation and will talk with her.
Madonna- Part of my unity and love speech was taken wildly out of context. 😉

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Don Bessee

22 January 2017

PE 416- Its an old Testament thing that’s lost on druids. 😉

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Paul Emery

22 January 2017

Trump in his own words committing to releasing his tax returns. More lies from our “Liar in Chief”
Not releasing his tax returns after the audit is completed is another Trump lie. Below I cite many examples of him saying that he will release his returns. They are all from this link:
http://www.nationalmemo.com/showusyourtaxes-heres-every-time-donald-trump-has-said-he-would-release-his-tax-returns/
“if I decide to run for office, I’ll produce my tax returns, absolutely and I would love to do that.”
STEPHANOPOULOS: What is your tax rate?
TRUMP: I’m not going to say it, but at some point I’ll release it.
“I would love to give the tax returns. But I can’t do it until I’m finished with the audit.”
“When the audit ends I’ll present them. “

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Paul Emery

22 January 2017

The ugly roust of Populism against our Liar and Cheif has found a slogan penned by Valerie Miles-Tribble and released on MLK day
“I don’t want one of you tp tell me again about the problems you have with Donald Trump. The goal is not to be having a problem with Donald Trump The goal is for Trump to be having a problem with you.”
This is spreading like wild fire. Let the games begin.

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George Rebane

22 January 2017

PaulE 416pm – OK, now fasten your seatbelt. I didn’t have to “peep” on that because 1) I was not part of that thread, and 2) ToddJ did not prognosticate my eternal fate. In short, I only peep on what I want. And if you’re looking for ‘fair and balanced’, then I make no claim that you will find it here from any quarter of the political landscape. Made that clear to all years ago.
But Paul, I do have a question that you may be able to answer. Why oh why do those of the Left who denigrate this blog, its readers, and most specifically its commenters, and who daily claim that the views here are from an insignificant group of ignorant, aged, out-of-touch, biased, hypocritical, racist, misogynist, homophobic, Islamophobic, traitorous, …, and now eternally condemned, that no one pays attention to; why do these agitated worthies continue to hang on every word posted in these pages, to make this website their almost singular target for criticism and derision, while at the same time constantly demanding that our voices be shut down? And they do all this without the benefit of anyone really returning the favor, why is that? What would happen to their voices if they ignored us with the same fervor that we ignore them? Any ideas?

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Bill Tizer

22 January 2017

Oh, I feel the love. 1976 was the last time someone did not release tax returns. But if it gets Paul”s mangina all a’twitter, then I hope President Trump never releases them.
Paul wants his Wookie back.

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Bill Tizer

22 January 2017

Yep, I was thinking the same thing. You would think that Paul would spend all his time with birds of a feather. You would think he would spend hours with those that or a similar political bent. Like he could be preaching to the choir or singing in the choir. Why Paul chooses to spend so many countless hours day after day here and not among his own kind is rather puzzling. I could be wrong but I think he has some very naughty motives. But I am going to try again to make Paul not the topic of the day there are so many many more interesting topics to discuss in the sandbox. Piece of worthless information, the Jehovah’s Witnesses do not believe in hell. At least that was what the door knocker told me when I asked her

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Bill Tozer

22 January 2017

Power back on! Not bad. I typed the last two comments on little e-mail phone machine in the semi-darkness.
I feel the love more each hour! Who won the games?
Oh yeah. The reason Trump is President is he was the only one to properly gauge the mood of the country.
Hey, let’s talk about the birther thang and beat it into the ground deeper. Or, why don’t we started chanting “Bush lied, people died!” Hey, I heard that Trump called Rosie McDonnell a fat pig and 89% of the folks agreed. Paul, be a sweetheart and get busy verifying those figures. It could have been a fake news story. Maybe it was 89% said Rosie is not a fat pig.
I feel the love growing my minute.

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Walt

22 January 2017

I still want “O” collage records! And all the other records thats been hidden from public view. Those were hid for a reason. The “O”‘s turned in their law licences.. WHY!!!??
You don’t spend all that time working to get’m,, just to throw’m away.. There was a reason.
But did LIBS give a rats patootie? Nope. That was different. Now they have a woody for Trumps taxes, they would never even really look at.
What do you thin you will find? Putin sold Trump a wife?
Like I said on election night. Some will be butthurt for a LONG time. Called that one.
Get used to those new hemorrhoids you just grew, or change your outlook Things are going to get better for everyone. Except for those who liked the free ride.

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Todd Juvinall

22 January 2017

Oh Paul Emery, you just have no sense of humor. I said nothing about snakes.
Trump changed his mind. Just like Obama did on homosexual marriage. Just life I guess. I could care less about the tax returns, never cared at all.

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Don Bessee

22 January 2017

Us deplorables were talking about Frisch’s taxes not Trumps, he got elected without them, remember?
PE has advanced Trump Unhinged Reactive Derangement Syndrome with an over lay of the lamesteram media expectation that we prols have to only answer their questions. We are not allowed an opinion if it is not lefty group speak. 😉

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Todd Juvinall

22 January 2017

DonB as I watched the lames opinion shows today I realized these people are not very smart at all. They just don’t get it. FOX seems to be the closest to reality.

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fish

22 January 2017

Hahahahahaha….this is exactly what I saw yesterday!

“It turned out to be a bunch of well-fed white women wearing $150 running shoes and holding $500 cell phones, with more life options than they know what to do with.
Practically speaking, there are no more rights left to give women. So when they find out that all jobs frankly kind of suck, everybody forms hierarchies, everybody has to compete, and successful men don’t enjoy their company, what then? Answer: find a lightning rod for all your inchoate rage about your sucky life and go on a stupid, pointless march.”

Actually “well fed” doesn’t do justice to what I saw yesterday …..that and those silly hats!

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