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George Rebane

Well boys and girls, the candidates went after each other in a most civil manner tonight.  The ad hominems were at an absolute minimum.  Hillary's health was not an issue; the lady stood up to the rigors of the evening in a commendable manner.  Both gave presidential level performances, and if anything, I would have to give Hillary a slight edge in her demeanor and how her messages impacted the undecideds.  If I divide 100 points, Hillary would get 53 and Trump 47.  More to say about the whole affair, but it's late and time for readers to weigh in.

[28sep16 update]  The most cogent analysis of the debate's national impact on our body politic comes from Newt Gingrich who writes 'The Intellectual Yet Idiot Class Gets the Debate Wrong (Again!)'.  From his report I extract some of the remarkable scores of the debate that have been generated and collected by various publications.  (H/T to reader)

Time: Trump 55 Clinton 45

Fortune: Trump 53, Clinton 47

N.J.com (New Jersey): Trump 57.5, Clinton 37.78

CNBC: Trump 68, Clinton 32

WCPO Cincinnati: Trump 57, Clinton 37

Variety: Trump 58.12, Clinton 41.88

Slate: Trump 55.18, Clinton 44.82

WKRN Nashville: Trump 64.58, Clinton 35.42

Las Vegas Sun: Trump 82, Clinton 18

Fox5 San Diego: Trump 61.45, Clinton 33.69

San Diego Tribune: Trump 65, Clinton 35

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119 responses to “Dump Trump and Pillory Hillary – 26sep16 (updated 28sep16)”

  1. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    Herbert Hoover,
    “When we are sick, we want an uncommon doctor; when we have a construction job to do, we want an uncommon engineer, and when we are at war, we want an uncommon general. It is only when we get into politics that we are satisfied with the common man.
    Read more at: http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/h/herbert_hoover.html

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  2. BradC Avatar
    BradC

    Good one Dr. R@302pm. I wish I was good at those comebacks!

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  3. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Another good one from Sir Winston: “Nothing in life is so exhilarating as to be shot at without result.”, from his days in the military as a young man.
    It’s interesting both had ties to the US… Meir was a Russian refugee whose family immigrated to the US when she was very young, and taught school after attending what became the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukie. Moved to Palestine in 1920.
    She was also a socialist, but I’ll forgive her for that given her life and times.
    Winston’s mother was American, but I doubt anyone would have accepted him as a native born American at the time.
    Anyway, looking at the list of quotes I found randomly on the net, it strikes me at how much of Winston can be seen in the Donald. The jury is out on whether he could rise to the occasion and grab all that is missing, but I think there is nothing in Meir that Hillary has except the error of socialist (in the West European sense of the word) orientation. She had her chance in her one real Department of State role (ostensibly running the department) and utterly failed to rise to greatness.
    Reset? No.

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  4. Russ Avatar
    Russ

    Paul@11:05
    Some thoughts about Nate Silver’s relationship with Al Gore. In his book The Signal and the Noise, Al Gore is mentioned multiple times and his movie The Inconvenient Truth is referenced. Although in rereading Silver, he said of the film “Films like these are not necessarily a representation of the scientific consensus.” However, Silver buys the Gore argument that global warming is the result of human CO2 emissions:
    “In the scientific argument over global warming, the truth seems to be mostly on one side: the greenhouse effect almost certainly exists and will be exacerbated by manmade CO2 emissions. This is very likely to make the planet warmer. The impacts of this are uncertain, but are weighted toward unfavorable outcomes.”
    Silver’s book was published in 2012, and most likely written in 2010-2011. He accepts the IPCC anthropogenic theory that small increases in CO2 emissions will be accelerated by increases in water vapor in the atmosphere. Yet, there was no warming for 18 years while the level of CO2 gasses continued to expand. Increased CO2 did not increase temperatures measured by satellites covering the whole planet. The government land based records showed increases due to continued adjustments of historical data.
    My concern with Silver’s assessment that anthropogenic warming is real and will lead to unfavorable outcomes because he accepts the IPCC CO2 warming arguments without considering historical solar impacts. Since Silver’s book was published there is growing evidence that solar cycles and cosmic ray generated clouds have a significant climate impact and could be the mechanism which resulted in past cooling A 10% increase in cloud cover could have caused significant past cooling. Since data collection started in 2015 thru 2016 cosmic rays over California have increased 12% as Solar Cycle 24 continues to decline and the Solar Cycle 25 to follow is predicted to be even lower than SC-24. The probability for cooling is increasing.
    Silver’s support of anthropogenic climate change is based on one-sided information, thus leads to an incorrect assessment. In my opinion, he is doing the same in his assessment of the current political election cycle, not considering the power of a movement over a campaign. Time will tell.

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  5. Bregory Avatar
    Bregory

    The USC LA Times Daybreak poll still shows no hint of a post debate boost for Clinton. Trump 4.4% above Hill, Trump up a bit from the day of the debate,Hill down a bit.

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  6. fish Avatar
    fish

    One has to wonder how long Steve has been waiting to use this (or some variation) concept…..

    “Any attempt to define the George’s and the Gregory’s of this world as somehow slightly more refined or higher brow because what they think they know is better than what someone like Todd demonstrably does not know, is like defining what level of Dante’s inferno the sinner resides in; each level may be worse than the next, but crossing the Acheron and being there at all is the problem.
    So let’s be clear if anyone has led us to the “realm…of those who have rejected spiritual values by yielding to bestial appetites or violence, or by perverting their human intellect to fraud or malice against their fellowmen..” it is idiots like George, and Gregory and Todd.
    The George’s and Gregory’s of the world actually bear more responsibility that the Todd, because portion of their minds have been trained to reason–too bad that doesn’t bleed over in to the portions of their minds that pull the rest of society into hell with them.

    “Yeah, one of these days the perfect situation will present itself and that Dante that bored me so badly in college….I will work it into a discussion concerning a former Venezuelan beauty pageant contestant, the real origin of a Winston Churchill quote, and the 2016 presidential election.”
    That’s where all the hard work and grueling training will pay off!”

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  7. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    What a delightful surprise for a lovely Saturday morning! Golly gee, it does appear I’ve been living rent free in Steve’s head. Thank Serendipity for the path from answering the question posed to Gary Johnson; coming up with Churchill and Meir for foreign leaders I’ve admired was an interesting exercise.
    Honorable Mention to Nicholas Sarkozy (vive la France!) who has recently come out of the Climate Closet as a Realist; I’ll guess that Messrs. Piggy over at Sierra Foothills Report had a cow with that one.
    Regarding Responsibilities for pulling society into hell, I’ll list Teddy Kennedy, the least of the Kennedy Brothers, who started our modern day ugly politics by being the lead Borker of Bork and leading all but 2 Senate Democrats to vote against him.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/22/opinion/nocera-the-ugliness-all-started-with-bork.html
    Lest you think that ancient history, Justice Kennedy is on the court now because of the Bork episode, and this election IS about the Supreme Court. The winner may well have three or four nominations.
    Personally, I think Merrick Garland could be nominated to the Court by a President Trump… to replace Ginsberg when she retires.

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  8. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    I get a kick out of the preaching of Steve Frisch. Always trying to appear smart and knowing what he is talking about. I live rent free in his head too. Hey, I never stole $250,000 of my employees tax payments and I never destroyed a restaurant business in Truckee and stiffed the local state and feds out of their taxes and got liened. But I digress. For some reason Frisch thinks he is better than others yet we can all read why that is not true. He just has a superiority complex and cannot mingle with people. I bet he is in his jammies in the basement with a “redbull” and vodka to keep him busy as he taps away on his computer. LOL!

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  9. fish Avatar
    fish

    Lest you think that ancient history, Justice Kennedy is on the court now because of the Bork episode, and this election IS about the Supreme Court. The winner may well have three or four nominations.
    Meh…..give me shitty socialist SJW justices so we can get to ignoring their rulings that much sooner!

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  10. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    For once I agree with Hillary. It’s the reward one receives from having an open mind. They are indeed basement dwellers. But, are they redeemable? Wait and see if they stop chanting “Lock her up, lock her up” to answer the lingering question.
    http://theweek.com/speedreads/652481/hillary-clinton-calls-bernie-sanders-supporters-uninformed-basement-dwellers-hacked-audio-clip

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  11. fish Avatar
    fish

    Judith Lowry says:
    October 1, 2016 at 6:29 am
    Steve,
    Up at 4 a.m. filling your mind with bilge?
    Crack a book, I’m reading the lost notes of Loren Eiseley (don’cha miss him?) and it’s a great way to start the day.
    I keep warning you to stay out of the cesspool.
    Don’t you know they love it when they get to you enough to make you waste your time hurling insults at them from Jeff’s blog?
    It’s attention, get it luv? Attention they crave and you willingly provide.
    That’s just nuts.
    Leave those fools to their incoherent babbling and get back to throwing starfish.

    Yes Steve….listen to mother…..you just forget those mean boys!

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  12. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Judith Lowry chides Frisch for squandering sleepy time by reading bilge at RR and ranting about it… reminding him he’s a Fulbright Scholar and better than that.
    Really? I thought his little junket to China was on one of the lesser Fulbright slushfunds as a rent seeker. Scholar?
    This little rant really says it all:

    So let’s be clear if anyone has led us to the “realm…of those who have rejected spiritual values by yielding to bestial appetites or violence, or by perverting their human intellect to fraud or malice against their fellowmen..” it is idiots like George, and Gregory and Todd.

    Fraud or malice against their fellowmen? Steve, you’re projecting again.

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  13. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    One more while Stevie nurses his hangover. He wrote, “The George’s and Gregory’s of the world actually bear more responsibility that the Todd, because portion of their minds have been trained to reason–too bad that doesn’t bleed over in to the portions of their minds that pull the rest of society into hell with them.”
    Let’s see how an Oxford professor of Anglo-Saxon handled the plurals of proper nouns:
    “My dear Bagginses and Boffins, Tooks and Brandybucks, Grubbs, Chubbs, Hornblowers, Bolgers, Bracegirdles and Proudfoots.”
    Yes, my dear Steven, that should have been “The Georges and Gregorys of the world…” A Fulbright Scholar should know such things even through the haze of alcohol and insomnia.

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  14. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    As a person who actually created a successful business here for forty years, I take umbrage with the Steve Frisch failed lifestyle in our County. I employed many people and created a environment for many others to carry on and become successful contractors as well. I raised three kids and I put a lot of millions through the local economy. And I was elected twice to run the county and protect it’s budget and the taxpayers. Now, Steve Frisch is a self proclaimed “college” graduate and smart person. Yet with all that smarts what has he accomplished? A failed business in Truckee, he is the laughingstock of the locals I hear, and now the “CEO” of a non-profit with a $100,000 a year salary. I guess he just can’t make it through the day without trying to make himself something he isn’t. And who is this Lowry chick? Another failed pal of his?

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  15. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    There are reasons I don’t post at your blog,Todd. Your bull in a china shop shtick harms you and those who you appear to agree with, and this is not a new message from me.
    I am particularly gobsmacked you’ve not figured out who the “Lowry chick” is; maybe BradC can chime in. While I do not put artists on any particular pedestal especially anything outside of art such as politics or science, she has earned her reputation.
    As of moments ago, the Nate Silver nowcast is Clinton with a popular vote margin of 2.6%… but the USC/LA Times margin is 4.4% for Trump. If Silver’s electoral college estimate is based on polls that are 7% off, Houston, Clinton has a huge problem. Huuuuge. A Trump effect would join the Bradley effect in the annals of political lore regarding polling when there’s a strong social desirability effect… which, in person, has resulted in Trump supporters getting beaten up for the crime of wearing his campaign logowear.
    Scott “Dilbert” Adams has gone on the record that his previous apparent support for Clinton was just for self preservation, and has now endorsed Trump. A good read:
    http://blog.dilbert.com/post/150919416661/why-i-switched-my-endorsement-from-clinton-to

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  16. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    Gregory, don’t care. Just stay here.

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  17. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Frish adds,

    “I think when vocal idiots where the self appointed mantle of community leadership it is our responsibility to truth the deceived”[sic, sic, sic]

    I’d hate to think Truckee’s resident faux “Fulbright Scholar” doesn’t know where from wear, even if he does have a problem distinguishing sh*t from shinola. Then there’s the grammatical difficulty of “truth the deceived”.
    That zany Steve. Where’s that RESET button when you need it, eh?

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  18. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    Frisch is projecting again. His attacks on us is out of fear that no one istaking him seriously. Afterall he is a “Allright” Scholar. LOL!

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  19. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    Another view of the ‘debate’. I’ve loved Joe Bob Briggs for years. He’s Baaaaack!
    Money quote – Heck, I’ve told folks this for decades –
    “You don’t have to know how to do anything as President. You have to have the right instincts and you have to hire the right people.”
    http://takimag.com/article/im_not_crazy_you_are_joe_bob_brigs#axzz4Ltk3ZJvy

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