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Sandbox – 21jun16

21 June 2016

[Happy Summer Solstice! Heard about the accusations of 'climate fraud' and the planned suit against Exxon? Now people are asking 'If Exxon can be sued, why can't Al Gore for exaggerations that help his investments?' gjr]

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164 responses to “Sandbox – 21jun16”

Bill Tozer

23 June 2016

Dr. Rebane @ 8:43 am.
Exactly what I was thinking. What is leaving the Santuary City by the Bay and the adjoining areas are “middle class” workers. 3 figure income hard working folk. Tax payers. Taking their taxes with them. Must be a kitchen table decision. Sure, somebody will fill their shoes, but can we replace their talent, initiative, entrepneurial spirit, their industrious traits, their roles of being anchors of stability in their neighborhoods??? At least Toyota USA left S. Cal for greener pastures out of state, so the Santuary City by the Bay will not be harmed
Maybe the good folks were right to demand the Governor declare an state of emergency to deal with the mushrooming homeless population.
In unrelated news, Congressperson John Lewis has asked for somebody to help him uncross his legs.

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Bill Tozer

23 June 2016

Fish @ 8:59 am. Sad day indeed. Well, there is always a silver lining to this day.
https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.217983685002343.55586.217926015008110/865506886916683/?type=3&theater

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Jon Dozer

23 June 2016

“They offer nothing in rebuttal. Nothing.” Scotty
Scott, we can all imagine you in your best German uniform and accent while reciting this verse. A more serious, angry version of Sgt. Schultz.

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fish

23 June 2016

Scott, we can all imagine you in your best German uniform and accent while reciting this verse. A more serious, angry version of Sgt. Schultz.
Funny….that’s how I imagine you….except with a lisp.

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Bill Tozer

23 June 2016

Better hide Fish. Dozer is going to do his angry bitter white dude song and dance again. Hope the dance floor meets county codes for safety and structure.
Hey Barney, if you can ever find your scallawag again, just pull it out and relieve yourself. Ah, let it out. You have held back for too long. Tell the lovely bride she finally gets the waterfall she always wanted. No need to tell you to say it with a lisp. That is a given. Have a nice day.

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Todd Juvinall

23 June 2016

fish | 23 June 2016 at 09:56 AM
I agree. Dozer does seem to me to be a seig heil kind of fellow. Take away the people’s rights and follow the leader.

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George Boardman

23 June 2016

I’ve been listening to people predict California’s economic demise for the 50 years or so I’ve been paying attention to this stuff. Imagine my surprise when I read recently that the Golden State now has the sixth largest economy in the world, and that we created more new jobs last year than Texas and Florida combined.

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Bill Tozer

23 June 2016

Boardman, it’s all how you look at it. I remember, too, when CA was the 6th largest economy in the world. Then we dropped. Glad to see we finally got back to where we were. Still, having 1/3 of the entire nation’s welfare receiptances remains the same. And, yes, Silicon Valley will continue to add jobs. They better or else the whole thing unravels.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5Qf6Sv3A9zs

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Todd Juvinall

23 June 2016

It is all about the weather. LOL!

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Jon Dozer

23 June 2016

George B, exactly. But wouldn’t want to interrupt the perennial right wing narrative of a looming disaster for CA. Wonder if anyone would care to compare the CA muni bond market to other bond investments over the last 5 years.. 🙂 Seems that the serious money hasn’t yet spotted this predicted demise of the Golden State…

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George Rebane

23 June 2016

GeorgeB 1028am – Have no idea what pundits you listened to 50 years ago about California’s economic demise. I was here as a young engineer going to school and working my ass off in 60 hour weeks. The state was booming and continued that way for more decades. Nobody was predicting its downfall Mr Boardman, we then were truly the Golden State.
Today the world’s economies have shrunk due to the Great Recession, and the jobs California created in 2015 have more to do with hamburgers than Silicon Valley which remains the skewed source of revenues for Sacramento’s socialists.

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George Rebane

23 June 2016

JonD 1041am – Mr Dozer, unfortunately you missed another one. CA and its cities will not be allowed to fail. They will be federalized first, and smart money knows that in today’s government induced environment of zero interest rates. The desperation out there is at a very high level with even triple-C (the junk of the junk) bonds selling at a brisk clip. Only socialists would celebrate such an economy, and that only because they have no clue how to improve it given their only tools being to tax and regulate.

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George Boardman

23 June 2016

Re Tozer’s 10:35: California’s economy has fluctuated between sixth and eighth in the rankings for the last couple of decades. I find it remarkable that we have a bigger economy than countries like France and Brazil.
Re Dr. R’s 10:43: Even in the days when you were working 60 hours a week, Chamber of Commerce types and other business advocates were complaining that California’s citizens and businesses were overtaxed and over-regulated, and that it would lead to our demise. I’m still waiting.

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Jon Dozer

23 June 2016

George R, I’m not a socialist and I (and millions of others) respect and celebrate the improving and vibrant CA economy. Immigration and smarter fiscal policies in The Brown II era are big factors.

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fish

23 June 2016

Posted by: Jon Dozer | 23 June 2016 at 11:19 AM

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[Dammit Mr fish, you did it again. Check your HTML italics delimiters before you post, pleeeeeeze. gjr]

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Gregory

23 June 2016

“George R, I’m not a socialist”-“Jon Dozer”
You are a lying sock puppet, so this latest claim of yours cannot be fairly evaluated. Of late you seem to be channeling Steven Frisch (bosom buddy of the other face, Jeff Pelline), the six figure CEO of the wretchedly misnamed Sierra Business Council. The keystone of Brown v.2.0’s economic policy is the carbon credit auction, which is moribund. Only $10 million extorted from California businesses in May, down from the expected $500 million, in a program expected by many to be found to be an unconstitutional tax that was not passed as the state constitution requires.
California’s books are a turd buffed to a shine by the social media bubble driving bay area tech. Easy come, easy go. This too shall pass, but high energy costs will be a bill that keeps getting billed for decades.

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Gregory

23 June 2016

Fish screwed the html pooch a’gin. Maybe pisces and simple markup language directives are incompatible.
Just say No to html lest the oil gets heated up and the malt vinegar opened. Fish and chips.

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George Rebane

23 June 2016

GeorgeB 1106am – Yes, the complaints about taxes and regulations should always be and have been ongoing in our democratic republic – Leviathan used to be on a much tighter leash. But please don’t confuse the state of the state as it was with its dire portents then predicted – they are independent (semantically orthogonal). And what was predicted has to a large degree come to pass. Those who did not witness the liberties and latitudes we had are poor judges of the then and now. In these discussions our leftist neighbors completely ignore the tens of thousands of pages of new regulations and their documented costs on our economy.
America is and has always been an exceptional country with an exceptional people. While our socialists are trying, with no little success, to fundamentally transform our nation, it continues surprisingly resilient due to its foundational growth. It is sadly amusing that the same socialists then point to this residual resilience as proof that their policies are not damaging.
And enduring theme on unsustainability which I most recently pointed out in ‘Sustainability and Single Payer Revealed’.
http://rebaneruminations.typepad.com/rebanes_ruminations/2016/05/sustainability-and-single-payer-revealed.html

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Jon Dozer

23 June 2016

Here’s a politician some of you could really get behind,
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/06/23/make-america-white-again-a-politicians-billboard-ignites-uproar/

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George Rebane

23 June 2016

JonD 1203pm – Your trademark snark aside Mr Dozer, what measures would you and yours adopt to prevent that racist politician from getting his message out?

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Gregory

23 June 2016

“Jon Dozer” is showing his smarmy side a’gin. One thing all good hard leftists know for sure is that Republicans are racists… and that all good people know the best way to fight white racism is to show preference to people of color in education and in the workplace and then apply the soft bigotry of low expectations.
The Sierra Business Council gets a pass on the hiring requirement.

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Gregory

23 June 2016

That “make america white again” nutjob got a grand total of what… one-half of one percent?… during his last stunt.
The only folks noticing him are the “Jon Dozers” of the world trying to pin the wrong tail on any non-progressive they can.

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fish

23 June 2016

Posted by: Gregory | 23 June 2016 at 01:17 PM
Interesting that two of the likely puppet operators hail from or have spent extended time in…..cough, cough…. the Chicago area. But have elected to live in well….. for lack of a better term…..”Lily Whitestans” in the sierras. How bout these numbers……Nevada City weighing in at 0.9% (up from 0.4% in the 2000 census….moving up!) African American and Truckee hitting a very respectable 0.6% up from 0.3% in 2000.
I think that when you factor in elevation that certain individual who enjoys hurling the racist label freely picked a location as far away from “the vibrant mean streets” where grew up that still allowed him to remain in the contiguous United States. Thus implying a certain Pythagorean desperation to escape those populating his old haunts. Just speculation on my part!

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Jon Dozer

23 June 2016

Correction Greg, the Washington Post noticed the racist politician. Now the nation has noticed and recognizes the man as one of the first honest carriers of recent GOP values, sans phony code words. Thanks.

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Gregory

23 June 2016

The Washington Post is a place for “Jon Dozers” to hang out, Democrats with Bylines, and if that guy was representing Republicans as “Jon Dozer” thinks he’d have gotten more than one vote per 200 votes cast.
You’re a bigot, “Jon”, and you grabbed onto that story because it told the lie you want others to believe in because you don’t want to lose in November.

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Bill Tozer

23 June 2016

Dozer is anti-women, his bride is now anti-male. At least she got the waterfall she longed for, unless he pissed down her throat as a good peaceful follower of the Pedophile Prophet is known to do.
Libs are trying to turn back the clock. We on the right stand with the defenseless women of America.
https://www.facebook.com/PatriotPost/photos/pb.51560645913.-2207520000.1466715936./10153805757365914/?type=3&theater

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Gregory

23 June 2016

Checking, just how well did Rick Tyler, the pin the tail on the Republican poster boy as far as “Jon Dozer” is concerned, do in his lone foray into being a politician?
Tenth, with just 0.4% of the vote.
https://ballotpedia.org/Rick_Tyler
Really, “Dozer”? Whether the guy fisting your puppet has a polisci degree from CalState Frisco or a Masters in Journalism from some chicago area degree mill, that’s pathetic.

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Gregory

23 June 2016

Make that sixth.

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Gregory

23 June 2016

Let’s illustrate that 0.4%… get five hundred Republicans and tally their votes. Rick Tyler gets two (2) supporters of the bunch, and they may have mistaken him for the guy that sings in Aerosmith.

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Todd Juvinall

23 June 2016

I see Dozer is at it again. Typical troll behavior. It looks like Baltimore black Judge and cops are honest people while Dozer’s pals, the Congressional Black Caucus members are racists. Dozer is a racist based on his writings here. And he projects all the time. Democrats are the true racists.

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Bill Tozer

23 June 2016

Dozer is an angry bitter lush. However, he is relatively new here so I cut him some slack. Probably does not even have a clue that there are other proprietors in our area besides Three Forks Beef Bar..er Beer Bar.. He is just upset that the Welcome Wagon did not bring him enough adult beverages. He will adjust to reality after the DTs pass. Drink some orange juice, little fat buddy Boss Hogg. You are so adorable when Momma catches you with your hand in the cookie jar and you deny it. Momma knows, oh Momma knows, but she simply cannot resist those half cocked puppy dog eyes. Neither can I.
Now, on to a more aromatic topic. CA is CA, good, bad, and ugly. It takes a lot of courage and initiative to pack up the family and get out of Dodge for a new life and better Q of L for the family than offered here. What good is it to live with too many rats in the cage. People dream of getting out of here, but they are afraid of the unknown. Some people work their entire lives here in CA, yearning for the day they can retire and move to the little house on the prairie. But they can’t. Momma wants to be close to the grandkids and is adamant about that. Poor stiff is stuck here and dies here, never fulfilling his life long dream. Sad story.
Another cruel twist of fate is when a good well adjusted big hearted family with enough courage and drive to set on out into the unknown across the state line, some do find their new place and sleep sweet dreams snug as a bug in a rug….only to find out some jerk wad Californian like Mr. Dozer bought the place next door. A modern day Greek Tragedy. Oh, the plans of mice and men…Alas.
Here is the state of the state. Better than a lot of places, worse than others. Home is where your heart is:
http://uscommonsense.org/research/unsustainable-california-the-top-10-issues-facing-the-golden-state-introduction/

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Scott Obermuller

23 June 2016

Oh – stop the presses!
This from AP:
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_CLINTON_EMAIL?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2016-06-23-17-19-35
Money quote: “The disclosure makes it unclear what other work-related emails may have been deleted by the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee.”
No Shite, Sherlock. In what other world does the accused get to go through the evidence and toss out what they don’t want the investigators to see?
Let’s face it. There is a great percentage of Americans that really just don’t give a small rodent’s rear end what Hillary has or hasn’t done. And most of these folks run most all of the major news outlets.
How stupid is the person that wrote this story? And the editor?
I remember in great detail the Watergate era. Reporters were sharp eyed and did their job. Now – they just lie on their backs and get stroked by the Dem establishment and piddle all over themselves.
Can’t say it enough. We can get through a Clinton presidency (either version) but we can’t get through the carnage of a lap dog press and crony capitalists that kowtow to the power in DC. The lemmings are led right off the cliff.
I’m still just shaking my head. A reporter thinking that ‘gee – would a known liar and conniver really delete emails that might lead to a prison term?’
Steady on there fella – don’t get any funny ideas.
Do you want your job or what?

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Todd Juvinall

23 June 2016

Well ScottO, I think all of us on the right knew she deleted important emails. That is why she had her own illegal server. So she could delete and say they were only about Chelsea’s wedding cake. But what is the result of all this lawbreaking? NOTHING. Democrats control the Executive branch and they will protect her all the way.

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Todd Juvinall

23 June 2016

Should we stay or should we go?

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Bill Tozer

23 June 2016

Well Scott, no use bashing the press. They do a great job of bashing themselves over the head (when they think no one is looking, of course).
“Nor did CNN’s crack “fact-checkers” mention that the Clinton Foundation received $2.35 million in hidden, undisclosed donations from Ian Telfer, the former head of the Russian government’s uranium company—another fact that multiple liberal news outlets have confirmed.
Indeed, as Bloomberg, Washington Post, New Yorker, ABC News, New York Times, and myriad other Establishment media have all confirmed, Clinton Cash’s most explosive revelations are accurate.”
Apparently, CNN’s team of Crack Fact Checkers are the last to know.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2016/06/23/cnns-clinton-cash-fact-check-ends-embarrassment-cristina-alesci-laurie-frankel/
Ah, a vibrant press!

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Scott Obermuller

23 June 2016

Michael Biesecker – The ‘college educated’ reporter for the ‘middle of the road’ AP is just now starting to have doubts about the tooth fairy and Rose Mary Woods ‘accidentally’ erasing part of the recordings made by Tricky Dick.
Does the AP get all of its reporters straight off the turnip truck or do they find them out on the streets at night wandering aimlessly?
Hey Mikey – we’re talking about a woman who was fired by a fellow Democrat lawyer because:
“she was a liar,” Zeifman said in an interview last week. “She was an unethical, dishonest lawyer. She conspired to violate the Constitution, the rules of the House, the rules of the committee and the rules of confidentiality.”
Jerry Zeifman, a lifelong Democrat, supervised the work of 27-year-old Hillary Rodham on the committee. Hillary got a job working on the investigation at the behest of her former law professor, Burke Marshall, who was also Sen. Ted Kennedy’s chief counsel in the Chappaquiddick affair.
Oh – snap. Heck – anyone good enough to get Teddy off from that little dust up (drunken slut got herself drowned, big whoop) so she must be good stuff? Right?
And that was when she was young and idealistic.
When I was young I always wondered why people that seemed normal would go ga ga for tyrants and dictators. The rule of law was tossed out and the mob in the street start to flex their muscle.
Our founding fathers look better and better. They knew history and could look far into the future to warn us.
We ignore them at our peril.

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Jon Dozer

23 June 2016

LOL. Wouldn’t be a right wing campaign season without some obscure Teddy Kennedy or Chappaquiddick connection to a candidate in question. Leave it to the Man from Idaho to come through with that tried and true old right wing chestnut! Not sure it has any impact since about 1991, but its always fun to see pulled out of the dustbin anyway :).

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Scott Obermuller

23 June 2016

Bill at 4:38 – Oh Bill, Bill, Bill – that link leads us to a bad web site. If BB says 2+2 is 4, the left runs off screaming the web site is evil. You should really find out 2+2 equals 4 on a ‘respectable’ web site.
Anyway, the 2 reporters mentioned are hardly embarrassed. They’re already chortling over their future careers in the upcoming Clinton admin.
More pay and blanket immunity for any criminal activity. That’s called ‘resume building’ around DC, Bill. Get with it, man!

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Scott Obermuller

23 June 2016

Jonnie Boy at 5:18 – “that tried and true old right wing chestnut!” OR “drunken slut got herself drowned, big whoop”
Did I nail it or what?

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George Rebane

23 June 2016

ScottO 457pm – We have to be careful with progressives when citing facts about old sleaze. You have to always acknowledge that when you establish a decades long pattern of sleaze, the front end of that pattern kinda fades out for the progressives due their own brand of the statute of limitations that get applied – sorta like ‘Bygones!’.

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Scott Obermuller

23 June 2016

Ah – one more thing – “the Man from Idaho”
Just for the record, I’m 4th gen born and raised in California currently residing in Idaho.
But thanks for capitalizing ‘Man’.

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Jon Dozer

23 June 2016

I seem to have struck a major chord with at least one rapid poster this afternoon after referencing the “Make America White Again” guy back east.
Ah yes, the link’s the thing, wherein we may have caught the conscience of…

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Jon Dozer

23 June 2016

LOL. No problem Scotty. Happy to help make you feel like a MAN. I know you have a really manly, gigantic old leather recliner in your man-den at home, where you can retire to great cigars and scotch while contemplating the changes in the world since 1950 🙂

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Scott Obermuller

23 June 2016

Jonnie at 5:32
Sounds pretty obtuse, boy. Mind filling us in on WTH you’re on about?
This does give you time to fabricate something – you should thank me!
As long as I’m on a roll – Here’s one for our resident ‘libertarian’ – I’m looking at you, Paul
Check the date of the byline and my past comments.
http://takimag.com/article/johnsons_rise_and_imminent_fall_james_miller/print#axzz4CRK5yn00
Money quote:
“As Michael Brendan Dougherty writes, “Johnson seems only to care about the liberties he himself would like to exercise: namely, smoking pot and commanding religious people what to do.”
Yep – G Johnson is no libertarian in the classic mold.
Nice try dopers. Maybe next time.

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Scott Obermuller

23 June 2016

from our little left wing Jonnie:
“I know you have a really manly, gigantic old leather recliner in your man-den at home, where you can retire to great cigars and scotch while contemplating the changes in the world since 1950 :)”
Once again, you are completely and totally wrong.
No such stuff, dude.
None of it.
But what does that mean to a sock puppet?
A troll has to do what a troll has to do.
Reality and accuracy take a back seat to bigotry and racism when Jonnie is typing.

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Scott Obermuller

23 June 2016

Oh – and yes – I do feel like a MAN. The wife and I baby sat the kids across the street while their parents attended the funeral for a 11 year old boy who was the son of a fellow fireman.
We pushed them on their swings and I had a tasty dirt ‘pie’ whipped up by the older child with a sprig of mint (weed from the ground) along with spotting the younger one learning to climb the play structure.
Thanks for noticing that.

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Bill Tozer

23 June 2016

Mr. Scott, I knew better, I just knew better. But the story was from the Daily Beast, and I found a more palatable news outlet to reprint the exact same words. Me bad. I need to consider the source when…when….ah, heck, Scott, you need to consider the source yourself when conversing with the mangina who washed Herb’s windshield and fetched his coffee. Life has a way of putting some legends in their own minds in smaller and smaller ponds.
He’s with her. What more is needed to say? He is out of options. We aren’t.
It’s much better to live in Idaho than to be stuck inside his own private Idaho. Consider the source.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=n7t7cGwN7_0

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Walt

23 June 2016

Seems it’s the “jon” with the “man” issues. Don’t measure up “shorty”? Need help lifting say,,,,, 30LBS?? Maybe your testicals have yet to drop…(just a guess.) Need a pill to get some “wood”?

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fish

24 June 2016

….and with the good of Brexit we must also accept the bad of our mortality!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-3657611/Ralph-Stanley-U-S-bluegrass-music-pioneer-dies-89.html
Godspeed Ralph Stanley!!

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Jon Dozer

24 June 2016

The danger of following a well documented charlatan. Are you paying attention Drumpf fans?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/06/24/dozens-burned-walking-on-hot-coals-at-motivational-tony-robbins-seminar/

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