220 responses to “Sandbox – 22nov15”

1. 

   Walt

   28 November 2015

   Keep digging that hole Paul, Nam was stated by a DEM. Remember…”Police action”. And also armchair quarterbacked by the W.H. Not to mention, all attacks were telegraphed to the enemy. They always knew we were coming. Now “O” is using the same playbook.
   So consider today’s conflict in the Middle East the LIBS Vietnam.
   As usual, your full of half backed questions, and mighty short on answers.

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   Bill Tozer

   29 November 2015

   In Nam, every target in the North we gave advance warning to by dropping leaflets and giving advance warnings to via our diplomatic channels. This was to prevent civilian casualties. . Stupid us. Another “road to hell” is paved with good intentions.
   So, what did Hanoi do? They made sure civilians would not leave the targeted areas and moved their antiaircraft defenses to the areas to be struck.. The result was downed American pilots. We assumed the Cong would protect its civilians, but noooo. We just telegraphed to them when and where we would strike next and gave them time to move their antiaircraft batteries into position. We be the good guys and they don’t value life.
   Next time somebody talks about John McCain or MIAs or POWs, just reflect that our government told the enemy where and when our pilots would be.
   Turn the page and look at ISIS. For a year we have been doing sorties over them, and up to 78% of our jets (depending on timeframes and what sources you believe) drop zero bombs and missles on targets. No strikes, most (many) planes drop their loads in the empty desert and hill country. Why? Might be civilians down there in the midst of the ragheads. We knew where the ISIS HQ is, where command and control operations where set up and never hit them. And, yes, we dropped leaflets. Couple this with the millions of dollars ISIS is receiving via oil revenues to fund their organization. The oil is being transported by 500 oil tanker vehicles (big rigs) and we refused to even strike one, thus insuring a revenue stream for ISIS. Why, because those drivers of the trucks who work for ISIS may be civilians trying to put bread on the table for their families, lol. You work for ISIS, you are part of ISIS anyway you slice and dice it, IMHO. Our policy of containment……rolling eyes.
   Well, France took out ISIS’s HQ in one afternoon and Russia wiped out the 500 oil tankers the following day. After one year of Obama inaction, the French and Russians took care of business in hours based on the Intel we gave them. We are pussies. Big hearted pussies, but pussies nonetheless. Glad there are some countries out there that want to destroy the enemy, not just drop leaflets and lauch explosive devices on some barren spot of land.

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   Bill Tozer

   29 November 2015

   Ok, tax the poor folk! Make them pay through the nose to stop Global Warming. Screw the poor and their devious pathetic harmful lifestyles. If they can’t outlaw Walt’s smoker, at least they can make sure he is cooking squash and corn cobs on his horrible destructive death grill.
   http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/climate-change-meat-tax/2015/11/28/id/703802/
   Whoever posted here a long time ago that tax policy does not affect human behavior is nuts…er…is mistaken from where I sit. Wrong.
   This Climate Change thang has one thread running through its policies and goals: Raise taxes and then tax more. Screw da po folks.

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   Bill Tozer

   29 November 2015

   Looks like Trump’s days are numbered. Line to see him was only 5 blocks long on a chilly holiday weekend. He is slipping, slipping bad I tell ya.
   http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/11/sold-out-lines-form-five-blocks-long-to-see-donald-trump-in-sarasota-photos/

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5. 

   fish

   29 November 2015

   Posted by: Bill Tozer | 29 November 2015 at 05:54 AM
   Whoever posted here a long time ago that tax policy does not affect human behavior is nuts…er…is mistaken from where I sit. Wrong.
   …. batshit crazy may be a more appropriate term given that that individual was one Stephen Frisch.
   I always found it especially entertaining since Robert Rubin, someone far higher in the “priesthood” than Steve, said unequivocally that the tax code was the single most effective method of modifying peoples behavior.

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6. 

   Steven Frisch

   29 November 2015

   Posted by: fish | 29 November 2015 at 07:13 AM
   I never said that tax policy does not affect human behavior.

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7. 

   Bill Tozer

   29 November 2015

   Oh boys, early birds get the worm. Welcome my friends Steve and Fish on this gorgeous morning. Hope you had a good Thanksgiving free of nasty political discourse. I can’t remember who I quoted, perhaps it was The Unknown Comic with the brown bag on his head. 🙂
   Ok, back to ugliness. Quote from link above concerning Walt’s consumption habits:
   “Interventions to change the relative prices of foods are likely to be among the most effective in changing consumption patterns,” the report notes, adding countries should aim “to increase the price of meat and other unsustainable products” through a carbon tax”. Note to Kesti. Bunch of quotation marks improperly used instead of brackets.
   So, the greenies say that higher food prices due to Global Warming (arid farmland) will cause riots and unrest and even wars. So, let’s jack up the price of animal husbandry as a solution? Yep, we all remember a few years ago the riots in Mexico as corn prices rose and riots across Latin America over the cost of food. Has caused some unintended consequences as Colombians cross over into Venezula (as an example) to buy subsidized food staples and sell them in Colombia for a tidy profit. Riots in Africa, the Americas, Asia, and so on and so on. Make food more costly may cause civil unrest…er…make that WILL cause civil unrest, even more than not fixing potholes. Maybe that is the Master Plan to us tin foil hat types and social planners. Civil unrest caused by Global Warming, accelerated by high food prices and availability. A pickle.
   What is a Greenie to do?. . They can eat all the garden weeds they want. I prefer a Whooper with cheese, hold the pickles, hold the lettuce. No tomatoes either, please. Tomatoes are for throwing, not for putting in your pie holes.

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8. 

   fish

   29 November 2015

   Posted by: Steven Frisch | 29 November 2015 at 07:26 AM
   Hey….why are you here hanging out with us rubes? Thought you had loftier pursuits?

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9. 

   Steven Frisch

   29 November 2015

   Posted by: fish | 29 November 2015 at 07:55 AM
   Source your comment in context or retract it Fish?

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10. 

    Bill Tozer

    29 November 2015

    showdown at high noon.

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11. 

    George Rebane

    29 November 2015

    PaulE 1033pm – Paul, we’ve circled this barn before. While WMDs were not found after the invasion (but their previous storage places containing remnants of discarded and defective munitions were discovered), there is ample evidence of large convoys of trucks headed for Syria before the invasion. And it was clear that Saddam had WMDs before the invasion since he gassed his own people more than once with Sarin, a nerve gas. Sarin is a WMD.

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12. 

    George Rebane

    29 November 2015

    On taxing and economic behavior – here are some previous debates on the matter that highlight Right/Left differences.
    http://rebaneruminations.typepad.com/rebanes_ruminations/2011/06/the-liberal-mind-tax-rates-dont-affect-earnings.html
    … and more from here.
    https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=rebane%27s+ruminations%2C+tax+rates+affect+behavior

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13. 

    Bill Tozer

    29 November 2015

    Segregation is the answer to happy diversity..
    Favorite Quote:
    Germany’s police union had called for refugees to be separated by religion and by country of origin to minimise the potential for conflict.
    http://news.yahoo.com/mass-brawls-erupt-crowded-migrant-shelters-germany-154803871.html

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14. 

    George Rebane

    29 November 2015

    BillT 906am – Now I’d be a bit careful Mr Tozer if you decided to report such news anywhere near a university campus, especially standing near a safe space and proceeding without a trigger warning.

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15. 

    Walt

    29 November 2015

    Thanks for the morning chuckle Bill. ( my “death device”) According to the chicken little brigade (MMmmmmmm….. chicken…….) My BBQ and full size SUV are the real terror toys.
    More of a threat than ragheads with a death wish.
    Call out the SWAT team!! I have red meat, white meat, poultry and a big sausage ,, and will throw them on the grill all at once!!!, I’m warning you,,!! I have weapons grade charcoal smuggled in across the Canadian boarder! I dare you to make me use it!!!!

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16. 

    Walt

    29 November 2015

    Now this is low.. But not surprising. The ECO bastards using children… (where have we heard that before? Using children as shields and shills? Oh ya… The Middle East.)
    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/11/29/north-carolina-judge-rules-against-13-year-old-in-climate-change-challenge/?intcmp=hplnws
    “The eighth-grader had petitioned the commission, seeking a rule requiring North Carolina to reduce its carbon dioxide emissions by at least 4 percent annually.”

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17. 

    Bill Tozer

    29 November 2015

    Ah, Dr. Rebane, a little segregation does indeed ‘”minimize the potential of conflict.” For example (and using your “near a university campus”), the libs have already segregated themselves by flocking to a safe place, a Liberal Paradise, the Bastion of Progressive Only Good Thinking, aka, a university campus.
    Dr. Rebane, Dr. Rebane. First, my kind are barred from addressing our university campus students. It’s their safe haven and we should quit butting our big fat noses in their beeswax. We must let allow them to do the birds of a feather thang. Actually, we have no say in the matter. It’s a liberal hotbed and I feel it would be provocative to enter their turf. That would maximize the potential for conflict.

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18. 

    Bill Tozer

    29 November 2015

    Now the icing on the cake. Black Lives Matter wants us to wipe the term Black Friday from our dictum. What? Black Friday Matters to millions of folks, great and small, rich or poor. Outhouse to Pentehouse, Black Friday Matters.
    If only our angry libs took a class on personal finance, they would know the difference between being in The Black and being in The Red.
    Black Friday, while not my cup of chamomile flower tea, is an epithet in and of itself, based on its origins. Yeah, right.
    Ah, forget the Syrian refugees. There are 35,000 Cubans coming to put one dry toe on US soil. Where are we going to bus them to? At least they ain’t from the religion of peace.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/28/world/americas/cubans-protest-stricter-rules-for-traveling-to-ecuador.html?_r=0

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19. 

    Paul Emery

    29 November 2015

    So George y ou disagree with Rumsfeldt who admitted that there were no WMD’s and that their presence and primary reason for the war were based on false intelligenc
    “Speaking on CNN’s “State of the Union” program, Rumsfeld noted there were multiple reasons for attacking Iraq and ousting Saddam Hussein from power.
    However, intelligence reports — now shown to have been false — that Iraq possessed WMDs were the main reason for going in, Rumsfeld said.
    “No question it was the big one,” he said. Asked if the United States would not have invaded if the administration hadn’t believed Iraq had the weapons of mass destruction, Rumsfeld said: “I think that’s probably right.”. .
    http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/02/20/rumsfeld.interview/

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20. 

    joe smith

    29 November 2015

    Walt 11/28/15 22:33-
    The Vietnam War as we know it unofficially started in July 1956. With full support from Eisenhower we had boots on the ground, advisors deeply imbedded, and an open plan of keeping Hanoi out of the south. I didn’t know Ike was a Dem.
    One of many sources: http://thevietnamwar.info/who-started-vietnam-war/

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21. 

    Walt

    29 November 2015

    Give it a rest Paul. How long do you plan on whipping that dead donkey?
    LIBS will never fight a war to win it. Your having another BDS relapse. Seek professional help. There are plenty of renta’buddies in Nevada City. Pick one.
    When you spill your guts, don’t forget to say you got your wish in the anti war effort.(all our troops are out’a there!) Now the place is a real shithole of instability.(no good deed goes unpunished) Ask for an explanation of why making apologies and kissing Muslim butt just didn’t work.( that was supposed to make everything better and they would love us and stop the killing.)
    Let us know what those answers are.

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22. 

    fish

    29 November 2015

    Posted by: Steven Frisch | 29 November 2015 at 08:16 AM
    Source your comment in context or retract it Fish?
    Nope!
    For others…JoKe and the until very recently ubiquitous “jon” I would but since you have in the past refused to extent to me the same courtesy I decline. Difficult to prove the negative but I think you’re up to it! 🙂
    (Please note that I’ve included the obligatory Frischian “smiley” emoticon that leaves the reader confused as to whether or not the above is offered in jest.)

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23. 

    fish

    29 November 2015

    This Christmas season look to “Instapundit” for all your link giving needs…..
    “THEY TOLD ME IF WE RE-ELECTED BARACK OBAMA, SHARIA LAW WOULD GOVERN AMERICA’S HEARTLAND. AND THEY WERE RIGHT!”
    http://www.thecollegefix.com/post/25284/

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24. 

    Steven Frisch

    29 November 2015

    Posted by: fish | 29 November 2015 at 10:58 AM
    I won’t work to disprove a negative from you, I merely stand on my record of supporting taxation which changes behavior to achieve social goods and opposing taxation which retard the progress of social good. But suffice it to say Fish that you are completely full of shit.
    I love the new America, it is essential fact free zone, and nowhere is that more obvious than here.

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25. 

    George Rebane

    29 November 2015

    PaulE 1005am – Not sure how Rumsfeld addressed the gassed Iraqis. But if he denied that Saddam had WMDs before the invasion, then yes, I and the Iraqis who died disagree with Rummy.

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26. 

    fish

    29 November 2015

    <i.Posted by: Steven Frisch | 29 November 2015 at 11:14 AM
    But suffice it to say Fish that you are completely full of shit.
    Maybe. But in this….and when dealing with the most consistently knee jerk supporter of increased state….well increased state involvement in everything. I think I’m on pretty firm ground here.

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27. 

    Walt

    29 November 2015

    It just wasn’t politically correct to admit there were WMDS.
    Paul has yet to address our troops who came back with chemical weapons exposure,
    and radiation poisoning.
    @Joe.. That was “police action” time. We were “advising and training”
    Then the DEMS took the wheel. Then “statistics” was the order of the day. McNamara and his “wizzkids” knew best. ” Bullets to body counts” needed to add up. Politicians wanted to run the war,,, uh police action. Then the M-16 came along, and that got messed with via politics. Screw what the designer said about what gun powder to use. ( we had plenty of the “other stuff”. My son-in law has the powder contract)
    But that’s a whole other political football.
    Thanks to “we know best” DEMS we got out ass handed to us by the Commies.
    But I guess we can blame that on Nixon…. Right? ( He was in the W.H. when that happened.)

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    Paul Emery

    29 November 2015

    George
    Those events happened in 1988. At that time he was receiving millions in US aid which continued after the use of WMD’s were known which implies to me that we had no objection to his actions at the time. What evidence do you have that he used them any time close to the US invasion? Here’s a brief summary:
    “On 16 March 1988, Iraq dropped bombs containing mustard gas, Sarin and Tabun on the Kurdish city of Halabja.
    Estimates of the number of civilians killed range from 3,200 to 5,000, with many survivors suffering long-term health problems.
    Chemical weapons were also used during Iraq’s “Anfal” offensive – a seven-month scorched-earth campaign in which an estimated 50,000 to 100,000 Kurdish villagers were killed or disappeared, and hundreds of villages were razed. A UN security council statement condemning Iraq’s use of chemical weapons in the war was issued in 1986, but the US and other western governments continued supporting Baghdad militarily and politically into the closing stages of the war.”
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/hi/middle_east/02/iraq_events/html/chemical_warfare.stm

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    George Rebane

    29 November 2015

    PaulE 1156am – Ah yes, now we’re departing ‘whether he had them’ and going into the ‘when did he have them?’ Paul, it really does not matter when he used them vs when he had them. There is no evidence that he got rid of them 1) way before the US invaded or 2) right after the last time he used them, especially as he continued to brag that he had WMDs all along. Your argument on Iraq’s WMDs has now positioned itself solidly on thin ice.

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30. 

    Steven Frisch

    29 November 2015

    Posted by: fish | 29 November 2015 at 11:42 AM
    So let’s pretend for minute that I were the characterized version of a statist that you claim I am Fish, in that case I would be a singular SUPPORTER of the Robert Rubin theory that tax policy drives behavior.
    That is a statist belief.
    In your mischaracterization of other peoples beliefs you can’t even keep your own ideological gymnastics straight.

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31. 

    fish

    29 November 2015

    Posted by: Steven Frisch | 29 November 2015 at 12:11 PM
    Hmmmm….lets see…..something to the effect that larding up business with regulations and taxes would have no impact on business or consumer behavior. That these obligations imposed by government were inconsequential to business.
    I paraphrase of course.
    I quite sure that you practice “Doublethink” daily….and that you and Robby Bobby Boo would be in near complete agreement as to how the rabble should be manipulated. Through taxation where applicable (as you have admitted) and punitively when not. I also think that you can simultaneously wrap that big midwestern brain of yours around the concept of taxes having no deleterious effects when that suits your argument.
    Just saying…….

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32. 

    Paul Emery

    29 November 2015

    Walt
    I’m not whipping a dead donky here. The Neo Cons that engineered the disaster that was our invasion if Iraq are still circling around waiting to land on whomever the Pubbers launch in ’16. Your guy Trump wants nothing to do with them though. They like Bush and Rubio,

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    Paul Emery

    29 November 2015

    George
    Can you name me ONE Republican candidate that is willing to go on record as supporting the war in Iraq and believing that indeed Saadam had WMD’s at the time of the war. There are so many pubbers in the race I’m sure you’ll find one.

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34. 

    Walt

    29 November 2015

    Good Dr.. It’s mental adjustment time for Paul. Will you kindly pass me the 2×4?
    CHRIST!! From “no there were non”,, to “what he did have and when he used them”.
    Paul got “his” troops out of the “war zone”, and still nothing is roses and daisies, as he believed it would be. How is all the genocide working for you Paul? It Just fine as long as “we” are not involved? Not so “humanitarian” anymore I see. But lets relocate the people of the Middle East here. And like the other counties change our ways to fit their religion and way of life.

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    George Rebane

    29 November 2015

    PaulE 1243pm – You have me at a disadvantage here. For the life of me, I cannot think of one reason why I would undertake such a task of finding a politician that now believes whatever will get him the greatest favor with the electorate, regardless of what he believed before. I think you have me confused with someone who gives a shit. My 1210pm stands.

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36. 

    Todd Juvinall

    29 November 2015

    I think Paul Emery means those democrats GeorgeR. Hillary voted for it. As did many other democrats. Now of course, well even before now, they do as all democrats do when their hands are caught in the cookie jar, they deny and blame others for that vote.
    One thing about hindsight, it sure is convenient for the deniers of their votes.

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37. 

    fish

    29 November 2015

    Looks like jon forgot to carry the one when calculating his Syrian costs/benefits…….
    http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2015/11/german-economist-concludes-refugees.html

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38. 

    George Rebane

    29 November 2015

    Re the Paris conference – our community organizer and large scale liar pronounced in somber tones yesterday that the main task of the conference is to save mankind from a catastrophic warming if the earth’s temperature increases by two degrees Celsius by the end of the century. At that time according to that great scientist earth would become “uninhabitable” – the bullshit just continues to flow smoothly and all the local ‘debate is over’ lackeys just keep nodding in unison, dunning anyone who dares to have an independent thought on the matter.
    Not only is there no consensus on preventable global warming, the 2C temp increase is just a brown number pulled out of you know where. Many of us have been advising our panicked brethren of this for years. Now on the eve of the conference –
    http://www.wsj.com/articles/scientists-dispute-2-degree-model-guiding-climate-talks-1448829047

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39. 

    Walt

    29 November 2015

    More news the true believers will dislike. First,, get ready for the “big freeze”.
    http://www.express.co.uk/news/science/616937/GLOBAL-COOLING-Decade-long-ice-age-predicted-as-sun-hibernates
    Yes, our heat source is getting ready to take a nap. ( But the Sun has no influence on global temps!)
    Second,,
    And the search for AGW gets froze out
    http://dailycaller.com/2015/07/22/expedition-to-study-global-warming-put-on-hold-because-of-too-much-ice/
    Third,,
    And locally,, Notice the early testical shrinking temps?
    So True believers,,, if there was any fact to your fiction, it should be WARMER… not COLDER..

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40. 

    Walt

    29 November 2015

    Love it. Another Dem I like.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/29/us/politics/tulsi-gabbard-rising-democratic-star-from-hawaii-makes-mark-on-party-by-defying-it.html

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41. 

    Steven Frisch

    29 November 2015

    Posted by: Walt | 29 November 2015 at 06:45 PM
    Yes because we all know that weighty global scientific issues are largely determined by the amount of shrink in your balls Walt.

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42. 

    Bill Tozer

    29 November 2015

    Well, if we keep debating ‘who did what’ behind the scenes during Nam for just a handful more years, we will still be know-it-alls arguing on the 50th anniversary of the fall of Saigon. Check your calendars, men.
    I keep prodding one certain poster to not stop at Bush or Cheney or Nam or Pearl Harbor or even the Spanish American War. Nay, I want to argue about the Teapot Dome scandal during the Grant Administration. Now, there is some real bonafide hanky panky and some real red meat to get y’all riled up and tossing lawn chairs through windows. But, noooo. No interest in things that happened before our lifetimes, eh?
    Darn that John Heinz Kerry. He done ruint for everybody. Because of ” Mr. Reporting to Duty” Kerry, nobody can no longer say with a straight face, “I was for it before I was against it.” It’s not fair!!

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43. 

    Bill Tozer

    29 November 2015

    Oh, anybody out there know the normal temperatures of a testicle in a room set for 68 degrees and at what internal temperature does a testical begin to shrink? Thanks. Its for my night class assignment.

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44. 

    Todd Juvinall

    29 November 2015

    Frisch does remind me of a testicle. LOL!

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45. 

    Walt

    29 November 2015

    I thought that would get your attention Steve.( and frost your nuts) You should be pissing ice cubes before Christmas at this rate. So.. Which greenhouse gas emitting heat source will you be using?
    http://www.latimes.com/local/weather/la-me-ln-california-freeze-sierras-20151128-story.html
    A tad early for sub 0 temps.
    But Steve! It’s global warming!! Mother nature is calling you a liar. Once again facts don’t fit the narrative. ( It should be warmer than last year… ummmm,,, but it ain’t)
    Bill.. It’s pecker shrinkage that really counts. That earthworm with a turtleneck might be harder to git ahold of in the outhouse. ( or the back porch) for that evening wizz.

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46. 

    Michael R. Kesti

    29 November 2015

    Gentlemen, please. It is our scrota rather than our testes that expand and contract with temperature. This is one way that our bodies attempt to maintain the temperature of the testes within a degree or two lower than the nominal body core temperature of 98.6 degrees Fahrenheit in order to produce viable sperm.
    I am certain that will understand that I consider certain rude rhymes inappropriate during this discussion.

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47. 

    Russ Steele

    29 November 2015

    I highly recommend reading a post at Watts Up With That: Climate and Human Civilization over the last 18,000 years by Andy May. This post examines earth’s climate and it’s impact on human civilization over the last 18,000 years. It is interesting to note that cold periods were accompanied by long-term droughts. Droughts that disrupted civilizations and in many cases promoted collapse.
    California is mentioned. Noting the worst megadrought in the California and Nevada area lasted from 832 AD to 1074 AD, 242 years of drought. Desprat, et al, 2003, identifies a very cold period from 450-950 AD.

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48. 

    Bill Tozer

    29 November 2015

    I supposed the question posed should be “How much more Global Warming do I have to endure before I start freezing my nuts off? Knew a college professor that got stranded in a white out blizzard for 3 days. He froze his Patriot Missle clean off, it snapped. After a long recovery, he returned back to work as just another dickless lib.

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49. 

    Bill Tozer

    29 November 2015

    Walt, darn it, it’s just weather.
    http://www.latimes.com/local/weather/la-me-ln-california-town-colder-than-barrows-alaska-as-deep-freeze-intensifies-20151129-htmlstory.html

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50. 

    Walt

    29 November 2015

    Ya’ see? THIS is why the AGW gang buried “global warming” and re-branded the “sky is falling” yapping to “climate change” ( OH SHIT!! our claim of a BBQ atmosphere has snuffed out!) Now wait for the claim of those evil gasses to be the cause of abnormal cooling.
    The “change” was made so no matter what happens they can claim to be right.
    Who wants to move to the soon to be frozen tundra of Mid West or East coast? And will all the coal ops shut down. Enjoy the massive heating bills. ( ya’ might need a loan)
    Hummm ,,,,On that note I better check the heating oil futures. The Capitalist in me is looking to make a buck.

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