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Sandbox – 16nov15

16 November 2015

[This sandbox is dedicated to the timely urgings of Mr William Tozer, Esq. gjr]

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153 responses to “Sandbox – 16nov15”

Bill Tozer

17 November 2015

Thanks Good Doc. New Sandbox and its sand kicking time…or maybe not.
Question for the day: If ISIL is contained, can Europe send back its Syrian refugees now?

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Bill Tozer

17 November 2015

Sales of small cars waning? Apparently so as plans to close US plants that manufacture little cars continue to be added to the list. No worries, Greenies, about small cars. The Big 3 still has to make them, even at a loss, just to comply with mileage regs. Still, the number one vehicle sold in America is the Ford Ranger, not the hybrids or all electric golf carts….for now..
Patience my Greenie friends, your plans will succeed in time. You just have to get the American consumers on board by hook or crook. More laws needed to stop people buying SUVs and pick-em-up trucks. Besides, stack and pack has little narrow parking spots by design. That will show those evil polluters with comfortable wider cars a thing or two.
http://news.yahoo.com/detroits-big-three-accelerate-plans-build-more-small-125003749–finance.html

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fish

17 November 2015

Somebody needs to get the SBC Marketing & Counter Programming Dept. on this right away!

“FLASHBACK 1974: CIA WARNED GLOBAL COOLING WOULD CAUSE TERRORISM: “This sounds eerily similar to arguments Sanders made during the Democratic presidential debate Saturday evening, in which he argued man-made global warming made Syria’s drought worse and led to the rise of the Islamic State. It’s an argument increasingly in the mouths of Democrats over the past year.”
As the mysterious Bay Area blogger Zombie wrote in 2012, “I just finished reading a terrifying new book about climate change. I learned this:”
• Climate change is happening faster than we realize and it will have catastrophic consequences for mankind.
• There’s very little we can do to stop it at this late stage, but we might be able to save ourselves if we immediately take these necessary and drastic steps:
– Increase our reliance on alternative energy sources and stop using so much oil and other carbon-based fuels;
– Adopt energy-efficient practices in all aspects of our lives, however inconvenient;
– Impose punitive taxes on inefficient or polluting activities to discourage them;
– Funnel large sums of money from developed nations like the U.S. to Third World nations;
– In general embrace all environmental causes.
You of course recognize these as the solutions most often recommended to ameliorate the looming crisis of Global Warming. But there’s a little glitch in my narrative. Because although the book I read was indeed about climate change, it wasn’t about Global Warming at all; it was instead about “The Coming of the New Ice Age,” and it isn’t exactly “new” — it was published in 1977.
As Zombie wrote, then as now, “The Solution Remains the Same.”

They “Sugar Free’d” the link but it’s at Instapundit if’n you’re interested!

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Bill Tozer

17 November 2015

“- Funnel large sums of money from developed nations like the U.S. to Third World nations;”
See Fish, it worked! All the billions we have funneled to Third World nations has indeed stopped Global Cooling….for awhile at least. Global Cooling is back, but at least we have slowed its onset to glacial speed! Pop the champagne corks…even if it is a wee bit prematurely.
Bubbly time in The City of Lights. Eat more snails and bring your checkbooks.

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George Rebane

17 November 2015

BillT 414am – Ah, the early bird Mr Tozer gets in a great question. First, we should be so lucky as to have your precondition met. But given that, I don’t think that there is any peaceful way that Europe can be purged of its illegal migrants especially after they have been duly registered and given the official right to stay, no matter for how brief of a period. They will not go home, for by their own reckoning there is nothing there for them to build on.
They know better than I and those like me that their culture does not work to provide any kind of QoL that even remotely compares with what is the norm in western civilization. But sadly for us, what they don’t know is how such a difference emerged over the centuries. They have no idea that theirs is a blatantly dysfunctional culture in almost all of its aspects, absent their warm fuzzy memories of family gatherings during which they felt safe while enjoying traditional foods, music, dancing, and stories of perennial glory. Other than that things pretty much sucked, and they know it will not get better with their return. Nothing but more blood in the name of Allah awaits them there.

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Bill Tozer

17 November 2015

Dr. Rebane, can’t we just give them boatloads of money to become repatriated? Nah, it’s not money they are after, it’s conquest. It’s always been about conquest.
Sandbox time: I found the JV Team!
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10205441125534293&set=p.10205441125534293&type=3&theater
This is for Fish’s 6:58am: Great minds think alike.
https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.217983685002343.55586.217926015008110/753526018114771/?type=3&theater

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Gregory

17 November 2015

How many refugees are being accepted by Saudi Arabia, Dubai, the UAE and Kuwait?

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fish

17 November 2015

The best thing you will see on the internet today……..(thank god I didn’t have to lower myself to actually visiting Facebook to see it!).
“It must be incredibly frustrating as an Islamic terrorist not to have your views and motives taken seriously by the societies you terrorize
Even worse, those on the regressive left, in their endless capacity for masochism and self-loathing, have attempted to shift blame inwardly on themselves, denying the terrorists even the satisfaction of claiming responsibility.
It’s like a bad Monty Python sketch:

“We did this because our holy texts exhort us to to do it.”
“No you didn’t.”
“Wait, what? Yes we did…”
“No, this has nothing to do with religion. You guys are just using religion as a front for social and geopolitical reasons.”
“WHAT!? Did you even read our official statement? We give explicit Quranic justification. This is jihad, a holy crusade against pagans, blasphemers, and disbelievers.”
“No, this is definitely not a Muslim thing. You guys are not true Muslims, and you defame a great religion by saying so.”
“Huh!? Who are you to tell us we’re not true Muslims!? Islam is literally at the core of everything we do, and we have implemented the truest most literal and honest interpretation of its founding texts. It is our very reason for being.”
“Nope. We created you. We installed a social and economic system that alienates and disenfranchises you, and that’s why you did this. We’re sorry.”
“What? Why are you apologizing? We just slaughtered you mercilessly in the streets. We targeted unwitting civilians – disenfranchisement doesn’t even enter into it!”
“Listen, it’s our fault. We don’t blame you for feeling unwelcome and lashing out.”
“Seriously, stop taking credit for this! We worked really hard to pull this off, and we’re not going to let you take it away from us.”
“No, we nourished your extremism. We accept full blame.”
“OMG, how many people do we have to kill around here to finally get our message across?”

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Gregory

17 November 2015

LOL!
The commenter list behind the Purple Curtain contains 7 selfies by the big guy himself, two by “Annie Fox” a presumed Pelline sockpuppet and one “Kathleen” who is a possible Pelline sock.
That’s a BINGO!

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Paul Emery

17 November 2015

The tragic situation in France should best be looked at in historical perspective taking into account the thousands of mostly civilians Algerians that the French killed during the Algerian war of independence from the French Colonialists in the 1950’s. The total disregard for human life by nationalists and zealots of all persuasions is part of the chronicle of human history we all have to live with.

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fish

17 November 2015

Posted by: Paul Emery | 17 November 2015 at 04:21 PM
I suppose it could be looked at this way Paul……do you know that Algerians were involved with this incident?

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larry wirth

17 November 2015

Note well that although the Algerians never accepted the French as “settlers”, the French have failed to reciprocate on that decision. They have paid an enormous price for their “progressive” views on the matter. A lesson in blazing neon for the USA. No more muslims in the US. And don’t some room temp IQ call me a racist- last time I checked, Ahab and his confederates rate as Caucasians, no?

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Bill Tozer

17 November 2015

This is not the first time a host had an up welcomed guest. What’s that odd saying, something about fish and house guest smell after 3 days.
http://patriotpost.us/cartoons/22651
Maybe we could do a better job of vetting. It is all our fault.
https://www.facebook.com/sharp.elbowsnet/photos/a.1483337345258367.1073741825.1483337315258370/1663517077240392/?type=3&theater

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Walt

17 November 2015

Come on Paul.. You didn’t go back far enough. Get with the program. They are still peeved about the Crusades! Their pissed at France for kicking Muslims out of Spain!
They still are buttsore at us because we sent our marines to the shores of Tripoli
in the 1700s instead of the extortion money they demanded from us.

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Bill Tozer

17 November 2015

Walt, extortion is so distasteful. They demanded tribute.
Spoken by the smartest man in Ametica, as evidenced by his tenure as a constitutional law professor at the finest of schools.
http://www.vox.com/2015/11/17/9749754/obama-presidential-power

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Walt

17 November 2015

Uh,,, they left out the part where “O” “chose not to run for a third term”.
The arrogant somebitch even believes he would win if he “chose” to run.
There is still time left to suspend the elections. I do believe he’s leaving the U.S.
wide open for an “event” that would allow him that “flexibility” to do just that.

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Paul Emery

17 November 2015

No more Muslims in the US Bill? does that includes Turks and Moroccans for example, both allies of the US.

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Walt

17 November 2015

You mean those Turks that shouted support for ISIS at the soccer game? (during the minute of silence for Paris) How bout them Paul?
I guess we can call the W.H. and sign you up to take in a few. Then just wait for them to start bitching about your “life style”. The EU is finding out just what ungrateful bastards
those “refugees” really are.

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George Rebane

17 November 2015

PaulE 641pm – Not at all. Let’s continue bending over backwards and offer reciprocal immigration policies to our Turkish and Moroccan allies. What could be more fair and ecumenical? We could expand it to all countries from which people seek to emigrate here – ‘we accept yours on exactly the same terms that you accept ours.’

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Scott Obermuller

17 November 2015

Paul posted this: “The total disregard for human life by nationalists and zealots of all persuasions is part of the chronicle of human history we all have to live with.”
Well – we certainly have to ‘live with’ whatever has occurred as we can’t undo history. Is Paul saying we have to live with (accept) it in the future with no mitigating action?
And, Paul – you wrote “human life”. That would have to include unborn babies.

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Walt

17 November 2015

Since I know Paul won’t go looking,,,
http://dailycaller.com/2015/11/17/fans-boo-paris-moment-of-silence-chant-allahu-akbar-at-greece-turkey-match-video/
Be careful of who you use as an example. It just bit you in the ass.

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Walt

17 November 2015

One more thing Paul.. During WWII “we”(the U.S.) didn’t take in the Jews as “refugees” as Germany was exterminating them. Funny… Christians who are under the axe in these vary same Muslim nations (who are getting killed as fast as they are found) don’t get the same “refugee” status as the Muslims.
Care to comment on that?

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Ben Emery

17 November 2015

This is a continuation comment from another thread, but hey, is the sand box.
Todd,
Everything in the world is the way it is supposed to be, the question is:
What side are we going to participate and promote?
I think we both have carved out exactly what side of the order of things we support and participate.
Good luck with that, at some point we all need help, compassion, and understanding from others. Possibly strangers will be our saviors in our time of need. My belief is at the end of the day(end of life) did we give back more than we took? If yes, we were a decent soul that will have a pleasant next journey back to God. If no, we have some make up to do and our next journey will be filled with obstacles on our way back to God.
Being told there is less than a 50% chance of living another 5 years a person takes stock of their lives. I am content with the life I have led and feel that I have given back at least equal to what I have taken and hopefully have given more. Being a white male in the US born in the 20th & 21st centuries I have been given a whole lot.

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Bill Tozer

17 November 2015

Are Moroccans pissed at us? Ok, I am pissed at them. Now we are Even Steven.
Our coward President was no place in his heart for non-Muslims, the true oppressed people.
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/patrick-goodenough/syrian-christians-are-greatest-peril-least-likely-be-admitted

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Bill Tozer

17 November 2015

Aha. Here is but a partial list from an US Senator of Muslim immigrants doing very bad things in just the last two years. Even has a Moroccan.
http://larslarson.com/bringing-muslim-refugees-from-the-middle-east-is-a-bad-idea-the-office-of-senator-jeff-sessions-provided-a-list-of-examples-to-back-up-that-statement/

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Gregory

17 November 2015

Ben 8:02PM
I hope you didn’t hurt your shoulders with that one; patting oneself on the back should be done gently, if at all.
You’ve written a great many false and ugly things about people you’ve never met because you misunderstand what they write and … they disagree with you. There’s still time to stop and listen.

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Bill Tozer

17 November 2015

There is something about these kids I find most intriguing, yet cheerful.
https://www.yahoo.com/tech/s/hacker-collective-claims-hit-5-500-accounts-203307183.html
To each according to his talents.

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Ben Emery

17 November 2015

Greg,
My opinions are shaped from my encounters with people, whether that is social media or having a beer with them at a bar. My experience on RR has been contentious, insulting, and shocking at the attitudes and policies relatively intelligent people will support.
George and the fab five based on their opinions expressed at RR are authoritarian corporatists. Nothing false about that statement. Maybe in personal life you guys aren’t but the positions and policies supported here are very much so.
Happy Holidays

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Bill Tozer

17 November 2015

Well, here is food for thought.
http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/111115-780420-authorities-cover-up-isis-role-in-us-college-stabbings.htm

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Scott Obermuller

17 November 2015

from Ben:
“I am content with the life I have led and feel that I have given back at least equal to what I have taken and hopefully have given more.”
Anyone can say that, Ben.
How are you better than anyone else who ‘feels’ the same?
feelings=BS
verifiable metrics=truth
You’re damn straight you were given a lot. A lot of people whose views you urinate on risked their necks or bled or died in the mud so you could lead a very easy and privileged existence with human rights that are the envy of the world.

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George Rebane

17 November 2015

Ben Emery has accused me before of being an “authoritarian corporatist”, and I have no idea what that means other than it probably is not a very salutary label. I would be interested also in what evidence he uses to substantiate the label beyond just his say so. Supplying that information would go a long way to remove the hollow ring that always accompanies his repeating the appellation. But I am not holding my breath.

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Todd Juvinall

17 November 2015

Ben Emery is a spoiled rotten American and we see them all over Missou and the college campii now. Gimmee gimmee, and if you don’t I will call you a authoritarian corportists (whatever that is) ScottO has him pegged. He had a fat life because people like GeorgeR and Russ Steele guarded this country from evil. Like my dad who fought the fascists. No Ben Emery, though I have sympathy for your illness, you in my view are the worst kind od American. An ingrate to those better than you and who protected your right to be an ass.
I suppose he thinks a authoritarian corportists is someone who spanked his ass when he refused to eat his salad and who owned stock in GM. What a louse.

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Jon

17 November 2015

No Todd, Ben has YOU pegged. You have zero compassion, the inability to humble yourself when you err, and yes he is correct- you are indeed an asshole of the highest order.

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Gregory

17 November 2015

Ben, you’re an undereducated political ideologue with a moral superiority complex and a marked inability to support your claims with logical arguments.
Can’t wait to see your campaign for office unfold.

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Todd Juvinall

18 November 2015

Jon | 17 November 2015 at 10:52 PM
Why thanks. At least I am a real one and your are a troll. You just can’t make this stuff up.

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Jon

18 November 2015

Here’s the model for the world. Welcome to Scotland! As they gladly take in their first wave of Syrian refugees, fleeing the horrific daily life of terrorism in their former country.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/scotland-refugees-the-national-newspaper-syrians_564c38d8e4b045bf3df1ba66

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Bill Tozer

18 November 2015

We have covered this particular ground before, but the world is full of crazies and one group of crazies gets pissed when another group of crazies ges their 15 mnutes of fame.
Now, that bat crazy dude who is a mere leader of Black Lives Matter ain’t even a Negro. He gives white priveledged folk a bad name, just like that head of the National Advancement of Colored People did in Spokane. World is full of crazies.
Ben’s only flaw was he was born white, thus his whole life has been a fight to right this grievous wrong. What’s next Ben? Refusing food cause homeless go hungry now and then?
You have made the world a better bat shit crazy place. You may leave this Orb in peace.
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2015/11/17/paris-attacks-black-lives-matter-drops-f-bomb-on-city-light.html

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Todd Juvinall

18 November 2015

We need moratorium on immigrants for a while. Reassess what we want for America. Obama has no plans for ISIL or immigration or “refugees”. Funny how Obama created this problem in the Middle East by high tailing from Iraq after we had won. Now he wants to flood the country with people that believe in “jihad”. Amazing!

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Bill Tozer

18 November 2015

Lordy, Lordy, even jon’s Huff n Post agrees with my 1st Amendment views. I must be on the fringe for certain. Sure, it’s only an opinion piece, but I will take what’s given, lol. I thought I was approaching the edge, but now I have gone off the deep end. I agree with Huff n Post!! I have been enlightened. The only question I have is whatz da difference between being anti-Native American and being anti-Indigenous people? Oh, them Amherst types got all bases covered.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/peter-scheer/college-student-protests-free-speech_b_8588860.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592

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fish

18 November 2015

Posted by: Jon | 18 November 2015 at 07:24 AM
The lefty feel good naiveté that you display routinely makes me giggle.

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fish

18 November 2015

Posted by: fish | 17 November 2015 at 04:27 PM
Algerians……?? Bueller…..Bueller……..?
So more posturing on your part again Paul?

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Ben Emery

18 November 2015

Everybody who has responded to my comments to Gregory and Todd. The truth for my comments here are more out of being curious at the responses. A psychological experiment of sorts. You guys do not disappoint.
” I am content with the life I have led and feel that I have given back at least equal to what I have taken and hopefully have given more. ”
Nowhere in this statement to I refer to being better than anyone else or do I tell others they cannot feel the same. We all have to come the conclusion ourselves. By my standards of morality I am content with my life.

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Ben Emery

18 November 2015

George,
I am sorry you do not understand what I mean by an authoritarian corporatist. Awhile back I spent about two weeks laying out with examples of how you and the fab five are both authoritarian and corporatists.
I know those in the fab five remember since they bring it up often.

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Todd Juvinall

18 November 2015

Ben Emery | 18 November 2015 at 08:50 AM
Yeah, you are just too smart for us crackers there Ben boy. Perhaps you should go back and read those responses again. I think you may change your mind about who was smarter than whom. Goodness you are such an easy read.

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Ben Emery

18 November 2015

Greg,
After rereading your comment 17 November 2015 at 08:41 PM it is extremely funny. A person who will take a generic summarized bio of a person and dissect it making huge assumptions and accusations is calling foul for having opinions on people based on or interactions. A person who will dig into the tax returns, business dealings, ect… of other people and throw them around on social media without any regard is somehow offended that another person has shaped an opinion based on those actions.
What you said in your 17 November 2015 at 08:41 PM comment is showing standard projection qualities.
Listen, I talk politics with people all the time I do not agree with politically. Other than Todd, yourself to a certain extent, and maybe four or five others I have encountered in 25 years of these discussions do I dislike the other person. We just have different opinions and different ideas on how to accomplish basically the same goals.
People and loved ones having enough
– food
– shelter
– health care
– education
– security physical and financial
– opportunity
As for being an “undereducated political ideologue”;
What qualifies as being an educated political ideologue?
Having a degree in Mathematics or how about Physics or Business? I would say I have the highest education in politics by being a lifelong activists that has participated in the democratic process at the ground level for nearly 30 decades. I wonder how many times and on how many different issues have you visited an elected officials office? I have done so on dozens of issues and occasions. How many protests have you participated in over what you consider immoral or wrong policies? How many classes have you spoken to about the importance of participation in the political process?
Other than being nasty on blogs and possibly voting I cannot find where you have participated in how our government operates. Maybe I am wrong. You are correct about me not knowing you personally, maybe you’re the biggest activist among us.
But I will leave with some words someone once told me:
“You’ve written a great many false and ugly things about people you’ve never met because you misunderstand what they write and … they disagree with you. There’s still time to stop and listen.

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Jon

18 November 2015

“you’re an undereducated political ideologue with a moral superiority complex and a marked inability to support your claims with logical arguments”. Greg
..unwittingly describing to a tee- AT LEAST 3 other of the most prolific right wing posters on this board. And then there was something about a superiority complex?…lol.

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Jon

18 November 2015

by the way, I hope Nevada County will welcome at least a few Syrian refugee families coming to CA over the next couple of years. Takes a long time to be vetted, but I look forward to meeting some of these folks and though organizations I work with, getting them settled in with English and such.

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fish

18 November 2015

Posted by: Jon | 18 November 2015 at 09:44 AM
And then there was something about a superiority complex?…lol.
Yeah….I imagine that you see it every morning.

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George Rebane

18 November 2015

BenE 853am – As I recall none of the examples you gave were either coherent with each other or definitive. If you really knew what an ‘authoritarian corporatist’ is then you could simply give us a definition, and more directly call out the numbered tenets of my published Credo that exemplar your definition.
What I suspect is that you are of a kind with most liberals who use language they can neither explicate nor understand. It is as I have pointed out; the most such lame lexicographers can do is say ‘Your are a (fill in label) because I say you are.’

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Todd Juvinall

18 November 2015

Maybe “jon” will take in those Syrians and house them in his illegal granny?

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