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Sandbox – 6nov15

06 November 2015

[While Dr Ben Carson's political fate is being dissected on the 1nov15 sandbox, readers wishing to pursue other threads may now start fresh with sharing their insights on issues yet to be uncovered, or maybe not, for there are always a few dead horses out there who can do with another lash or two. gjr]

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163 responses to “Sandbox – 6nov15”

Russ Steele

06 November 2015

We have had an extensive discussion about fossil fuel subsides on RR, with the left claiming that coal, gas and oil get huge subsides, thus subsidies for renewables are need to be competitive. I recently came across this analysis by Willis Eschenbach at WUWT.
A year and a half from now, it will be the 40th anniversary of President Carter’s prophecies of catastrophe. And it will also be the 40th anniversary of the start of the subsidization of the solar and wind power sectors. These subsidies have currently reached astounding levels. Table ES2 from the US Energy Information Agency gives the subsidies of all types (direct expenditures, tax expenditures, R&D, rural utilities subsidy) for 2013, the most recent year available. Here are the results:
In 2013, coal was subsidized about a billion dollars. Natural gas and oil, about $2.3 billion. Nuclear got about $1.7 billion. Total, about $5.0 billion dollars.
Now, how about renewables? Solar energy alone, at $5.3 billion, gets more subsidy than all the fossil fuels put together plus nuclear. And wind energy alone, the recipient of an even larger $5.9 billion dollar subsidy, also is larger than all fossil plus nuclear. In total, the renewable sector got about $15 billion dollars in subsidies, three times that of fossil fuels plus nuclear. More than two-thirds of that went to wind and solar.
And it is getting worse. Despite years of people saying that the solar and wind power were market ready and competitive and all that, in 2010 solar and wind got a total of $6.5 billion dollars in subsidies … and by 2013, the subsidies were up to $11.2 billion dollars.
As Willis notes, these are not the accumulative subsides, but just for 2013, and does not include the billions and billions of the past 36 years of solar and wind subsidies since Jimmy Carter.
I would like to see some counter analysis by our lefty supporters of renewables. How come renewables still require subsidies that exceed those of competitive energy sources, after 36 years subsidies, billions and billions of subsidies.

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Todd Juvinall

06 November 2015

This was a good week for Republicans and conservatives in the elections. Also, the Sheriff of SF was tossed He was a green party bigmouth.
Obama chose to not approve the Keystone Pipeline so that his pal Warren Buffet’s trains could still haul the oil. So all the oil will still make it here by train. All those jobs are of no concern to Obama as he likes people on welfare. Can’t control those working stiffs like he can the one’s on handouts.
The liberals posting here are so good at showing the people reading this blog why America is in decline under their boy-king. Liberals really are the scourge of the planet and its survival. The countries of Europe will be changing the guard to conservative as they see the mess of the Islamic invasion.

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Jon

06 November 2015

Awesome Todd. Just make up a wild spin on reality to make yourself feel better about the trends of the nation and the world. Its comical!

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jon smith

06 November 2015

I agree with Todd on XL (sigh). A pipe makes more environmental sense than trucks and trains. Don’t for a second think it was the Sierra Club that swayed Obama’s decision, it was $$$$.
On another topic, why doesn’t George R. throw his hat in the ring for supervisor? Are there skeletons that might come a rattlin’ out of his closet?? Secret deals with the Russians, affairs with cohorts, gay shenanigans? I have no reason to believe these propositions might be true, but if not, I think he would be the right wing fav. I would support Heidi if only to keep shit for brains Juvinall out of the office, but I would be open to seeing what an intelligent guy like GR might have to offer.

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Bill Tozer

06 November 2015

Dr. Rebane, offer them blood, sweat, and tears.
My gawd, now socialist Utopia is doing predawn raids on Gypsies. A travesty and miscarriage of Justice and violations of a bunch of UN play nice rules. This land is my land, this land is your land, blah, blah, blah. Just about the most mean spirited thing I have ever read. This is a job for Brother Ben. Brother Ben, fight hard for the Gypsies! We can overcome!
http://news.yahoo.com/roma-migrants-poverty-returns-sweden-140847613.html

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Bill Tozer

06 November 2015

Yo Todd, you have quite a following. They followed you over to this thread. 🙂
So Toodd, if elected, would you crack down on the prositutes, or crack down on the jons? Like in Florida where they seize their wheels and print their full names in the paper, jons don’t like coming out from the shadows of Fattius Gluteus Maximus.

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Jon

06 November 2015

Wow, all those 35 permanent jobs that XL would create are going on welfare now? What a catastrophe. And they will vote for the Dems too!

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Todd Juvinall

06 November 2015

BillT 9:09PM, I think the “jons” should be arrested for lack of equipment. The gals are just trying to make a living. They could have made some money from the 40,000 union jobs on the pipeline but “jon” will have none of that. He likes people on the dole, just like he is. I guess we have to wait until a R is in the Prez.

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Jon

06 November 2015

Ah yes, the old phony 40,000 jobs figure. No one bought that crap except the right wing partisans. So major kudos to Bill McKibben and Company, and good riddance XL and dirty tar sands! Its a really good day. Now its time for a Jobs Bill in Congress and some infrastructure jobs to keep things from crumbling. Are the righties interested in working people or our infrastructure?

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George Rebane

06 November 2015

It’s interesting that our liberal know-nothings don’t consider the 30 – 40K jobs building Keystone as any kind of 1) infrastructure construction, and 2) impact on our economy. Wrong on both counts.
When the Left talks about infrastructure construction jobs, they believe these are more permanent jobs than what pipeline companies hire when they build a Keystone. Again wrong. All the hyped infrastructure jobs will have the same permanency as will Keystone. Workers will play the usual migration from job to job as one stretch of highway gets repaired or another bridge built. Permanency with Keystone is equivalent, and so is the impact on our economy. But the lamestream outlets that these people consume keeps them forever ignorant of the real economic and employment dynamics.

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Bill Tozer

07 November 2015

Environmental obsession trumps jobs, bad economy trumps fossil fuels.

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Bill Tozer

07 November 2015

The universe trumps Earth.

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Ben Emery

07 November 2015

Obama is hiding the release of the full Trans Pacific Partnership agreement and it is everything we expected and worse.
http://www.democracynow.org/2015/11/6/full_text_of_tpp_trade_deal
Very strategic XL Keystone announcement by Obama administration. I am glad they finally got around to saying “No” but it took 7 years for them to do it. Meanwhile while those against it were focused on Obama administration metaphorical left hand the right hand was handing out permits and policy in favor of Oil/ Gas like candy on Halloween.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/13/opinion/obamas-catastrophic-climate-change-denial.html?_r=0
Obama is going to pull a Bill Clinton and have a very progressive last year in office where his professional legacy creators will mention his great positions on the environment.

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Mikel

07 November 2015

Regarding Ben 11-72015 6:11 AM..
Bill Mckribbens article in the New York Times makes a claim about scientists 25 years ago stating that if we keep burning fossil fuels the Arctic will be melted. Guess what the Arctic has not melted….Bill Mcstupid is a fool.

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Bill Tozer

07 November 2015

Ben, the Trade Agreement is 3 times bigger than the Bible, has over a hundred different PFds, and is a darn near hopeless task for those who wish to read and comprehend all that is in there. Good luck. Technically, Obama is not hiding anything, he just put it in page 4,573 in language that contradicts the previous paragraphs. Or it’s the good stuff in one of the hundreds of attachments?
https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/pb.217926015008110.-2207520000.1446907803./749208021879904/?type=3&theater
https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/pb.217926015008110.-2207520000.1446907803./748987758568597/?type=3&theater

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Bill Tozer

07 November 2015

Off topic, but Brother Ben would perhaps like this new weapon.
https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/pb.217926015008110.-2207520000.1446908852./749559835178056/?type=3&theater

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Bill Tozer

07 November 2015

Ok, time to take the wolves out for a walk (if they don’t choke to death in our morning air).
Later, good villagers.
http://patriotpost.us/cartoons/22614

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Michael R. Kesti

07 November 2015

Politico, the “news organization” that dreamed up the hit piece that led to this week’s “scandal” concerning Ben Carson, has, without fanfare, greatly revised its story. For example, the original headline, Ben Carson Admits Fabricating West Point Scholarship has been changed to Exclusive: Carson claimed West Point ‘scholarship’ but never applied. The revised version take much, but certainly not all, of the bite out of Politico’s lies and false accusations.
The original version of Politico’s article can be viewed here.
The revised version is here.
See this article in The Federalist for more info.

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Todd Juvinall

07 November 2015

Michael, great pick up. Thank goodness for these instant responses given on the tech sites. Politico may be open to suit for the lying they did.

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Michael R. Kesti

07 November 2015

Addendum to my 8:28 in the form of a cartoon.

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Todd Juvinall

07 November 2015

I just posted a slapdown on Politico’s FB at the bottom of the revised story. They are certainly taking heat.

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Jon

07 November 2015

Ben will not recover- now the questions will pile up, as the WSJ points out. And the Trumpster will be sure to capitalize!
too bad, Ben. Didn’t really want a religious fanatic in the WH anyway.
http://www.wsj.com/article_email/ben-carsons-past-faces-deeper-questions-1446861864-lMyQjAxMTI1NTAxNzgwMTcxWj

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Todd Juvinall

07 November 2015

Bernie the old fool and Hillary the “bimbo” are the best the democrats have. Soon one will be in jail and the other will need a oxygen tank. Republicans will prevail. At least they have a brain.

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jon

07 November 2015

So, “Jon” about that Politico piece you were pimping?

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Jon

07 November 2015

And, as we said yesterday, things won’t end well for Big Oil… Not a good week for lovers of Big Polluters and Ben Carson
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-11-06/the-oil-industry-has-been-put-on-notice
Bill Mckibben tweeted last night- Beer Tastes Good.

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Jon

07 November 2015

“jon”, ?

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Jon

07 November 2015

Now the Carson has been shown to be a very deceptive guy…NEXT..
So what of young Marco? Ah yes, the credit card questions. Here’s what we need to know:
http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2015/11/05/3719535/rubio-credit-card/

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George Rebane

07 November 2015

Administrivia – can’t figure out whether ‘jon’ and ‘Jon’ are the same person. Would be nice to have them/him choose a more informative moniker(s) and then stick to them.

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Todd Juvinall

07 November 2015

Hillary and Bernie are the deceptive ones. Carson, just a brain surgeon of great repute. Now who would you trust with running the place? A bimbo? A old commie fart? Or a brain surgeon? Hmmm.
Regarding this orgasm by the liberals that Exxon is in trouble. For what? Not toeing the “global warming” hoax line? You liberal buffoons crack me up. I suggest you need to prove your beliefs and off yourselves for the good of the planet’s “carbon footprint” LOL!

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jon

07 November 2015

I am not Jon and he is not either

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Bill Tozer

07 November 2015

Well, a far as brain surgery and that 3:00 am call goes, looks like Ben, unlike the Democrat Party’s wildly incompetent yet wildly ahead front runner, I would rather have Dr. Carson handle those emergencies next time. Rodclam was asleep at the wheel when the important stuff came down. She bobbled the ball then threw it out of bounds. So there, put that in your peace pipe and smoke it, jonboy.
Speaking of peace pipes, this next weekend (or the one after it) there will be a fundraiser/cry for mercy at the Grange Hall in GV. It will be to help the Navajo Tribe that was so brutally and deceptively poisoned as a direct result of the shameful EPA did to our water supply. The tribe needs your help, especially since the wise EPA declared the water safe to drink. Hmmm, if it was safe to drink, then why where you poking around on the headwaters busting open the “safe to drink toxins”?
Why did the EPA and the eco fascists say the metals and water contain cancer causing poison for years and now say “no cancer causing stuff, drink up, boys.”
Oh, the tribe needs your help to fight the genocide by our own Steve and his puppet string pulling henchmen in government. Saddens me. I feel terrorized.

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Jon

07 November 2015

This new “jon” is as phony as Ben Carson.

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Todd Juvinall

07 November 2015

GeorgeR since it appears the “jons” are just here trolling you may conclude they are both unworthy of posting here. But that is your decision. They seem to be mocking you.

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George Rebane

07 November 2015

ToddJ 105pm – I think being mocked is the universal fate of online political commentators like you and me. Personal mockery is a notch above crickets, and when it starts you know that you’ve exceeded the (intellectual? cognitive? knowledge?) bandwidth of your respondent, for that is the only weapon they have left.

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Gregory

07 November 2015

Keystone and the Exxon investigation are just the latest Kabuki machinations. Meaningless.
The Keystone people had already requested the application be put on hold. Yes, dear friends, it would have created tens of thousands of jobs but the price of fossil fuels ain’t what it used to be and neither is the return on investment expected on Keystone… pushing it into the future was already on the mind of the developers. Six of the eight departments that reviewed the proposal gave it a go… like DHS, the Dept. of Energy (!!!)… the only two that gave thumbs down was a department representing native American tribes and (drum roll, please) the warmistas at the EPA.
Formally turning it down was Obama’s gift to the warmistas preparing for the party in Paris next month.
The Exxon story was breathlessly told on NPR in the last couple of days and it struck me how similar warmista thought is to evangelical Christians. For example, evangelicals seem to think that an unbeliever is without sin if they’d just not heard the word, and so they spend their time spreading the Good News… but if you hear the word and continue without the Lord in your heart, eternal damnation is in your future.
In an uncanny mirror image of that, Exxon is being tarred because they were informed of the Global Warming Truth by one nutcase or another and they are the witch being hunted because they remained climate heretics after the fact, despite the fact that virtually NONE
of the predictions made two and three decades ago have come to pass. The NPR story was heavy with “denier” by which they mean “heretic”… this is religion, not science.

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Gregory

07 November 2015

Regarding Carson, that’s truly another witchhunt. Does anyone really think that a bright black kid very active in the ROTC wouldn’t have been pushed towards any of the military academies by the officers he came in contact with, especially the politically connected (meaning every single general)? They’d have been falling over themselves to open the door for him with his local congresscritter happy to have some of the work selecting kids from their district handed to them on a platter.
Not a chance I’d vote for him, but he’s not a witch and does not deserve to be burnt at the stake.

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Bill Tozer

07 November 2015

I told ya so. There is jon, who is bad enough, and there is his evil (yet soft in the head) twin known as Jon or jon, depending which device Gluteus Maximus decides to use. That is why he cannot refrain from using the pronoun “we” or “us”, no matter how hard I try to get them to break than annoying habit.
Sybil, I want to talk to jon, not Jon. Jon, let jon take over for awhile and you go play with the others trapped inside poor Sybil’s booty. If you are real nice and behave yourself, I will take a group photo of jon later.

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don bessee

07 November 2015

This years annual prosperity index report has seen the US fall to 11th on the list. Thanks 0!

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Bill Tozer

07 November 2015

Jon/jon, Dr. Carson says thank you and gives a big shout out to the three or four of you.
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/gop-primaries/259469-carson-thanks-biased-media-for-35m-fundraising-haul

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Walt

07 November 2015

Two “jon”s? In layman’s terms ,, a “two holer”. I think “jon” just decided to “capitalize”
his “j”. Or maybe “Jon” is Dougy Keechie’s middle name.
Whatever… Just the same lonely troll posting from under a condemned bridge.

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Bonnie McGuire

07 November 2015

Well I guess Jon fulfills his roll to distract and change the subject with whatever…Nice of GR to show his obvious respect for freedom of speech.

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Russ Steele

07 November 2015

I am thinking of starting a blog page called “Who is jon or Jon” The purpose of the page is collect tidbits of information about “jon” or “Jon” until we have enought information to determine who is who. Some key bits would be any IP addresses that “jon” or “Jon” might be using and of course an email address would be outstanding. Users of the Internet are not really anonymous. If anyone uses the net they leave digital crums to follow back to the source.
My question is, if I create this web page will readers of this blog be willing to partcipate? Willing to post tidbits of information that is revealed in posts by “jon” or “Jon”. For example it appears that” jon” lives in District One. What other bits can you provide?
This could be the best Fox and Hound contest of 2015/2016

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George Rebane

07 November 2015

Re the Jon/jon quandary – for those interested, both so labeled individuals use various IP addresses, and ‘jon’ gives his email address as ‘jon@jeffpelline.com’. ‘Jon’ does not provide an email address. Hope that helps.

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Todd Juvinall

07 November 2015

jon is Pelline? I think we all guessed that reading his tripe. The other one no one cares about but it is fun to give him a good debate beatdown. LOL!

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George Rebane

07 November 2015

ToddJ 1015pm – that may be an erroneous inference since anyone can insert anything in the email slot without it even having to be a valid email address. Since I’ve blocked the FUE from RR, someone may be attempting to obfuscate by volunteering that email address.
I’m not concerned because as long as ‘jon’ enters bona fide progressive viewpoints and counters to my commentaries and other RR commenters, his comments are welcome illustrations of what the ‘other side’ thinks and invites counters to such thoughts.

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Bill Tozer

08 November 2015

Now The FUE is being setup by this mangina Jon jon. A shady caper trying to be pulled here to defame our sweet innocent loving and misunderstood FUE.
Truly too transparent for us to fall for that one, ROFLMAO. It amuses “us we”. Wonder if the Mrs. Is next up in the batting circle. The FUE is the real victim here, having such dumbshit incompetents posting his thoughts and taking his words in vain.
I wish they would hurry up and mass produce those 3-D laser printers so the price of the gizmos would drop to within my budget. Can’t wait for the day when I can send JonJon a nice big smooth consistent movement to his in-box. The Internet is changing the way we communicate.

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Todd Juvinall

08 November 2015

The “jons” are really trolls and the one is too chicken to use his real identity. I understand it if the blogmeister knows who they are but you would think these trolls would have the stones to identify. GeorgeR is very generous.

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John

08 November 2015

Gregory, 07Nov.1:54. I wonder if you would share what you find unappealing about voting for Ben Carson? From my perspective, he seems to have most of the attributes of a good president, including electability over HRC. I am interested in what you see in him that I have missed?

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jon smith

08 November 2015

GR-
I believe TypePad has tattooed the same signature next to my name since day one. You have my email address. If you are truly interested in knowing if I’m “real” drop me a note and I’ll reply. If you are too lazy to do that, quite the innuendo and associated troll.

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Bill Tozer

08 November 2015

Smith is such a rare name. “Quite the innuendo” ( my, what a long multi-syllabic word), or quit the innuendo? Boy, somebody does not want to be associated with the other jon, nor Stevie nor Jeffried nor called a troll. A troll has historic roots as the first keeper of the toll road. But, I understand Mr. Smith’s concerns. He obviously has more character in his pinkie than all the other imaginary friends of Stevie and Jeffried put together. Being lumped in with that lumpy bunch of Dynamic Duos is too much for any normal person to stomach. I say “Welcome back Mr. Smith!”

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