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[Boehner's swansong highlights the problems conservatives have had with the man for some time now. There doesn't seem to be a hill worth dying on in his political geography. Can some cleverer minds remind us what now the congressional Republicans have to bargain with a rogue hard left Executive branch once they have forfeited the power of the purse which the Constitution specifically reserved for them and them alone? gjr]
A total compromise budget is “hard left”? lol. Could it be that the 4 leaders of Congress didn’t look at the annual budget process in military terms of killing and destroying, but rather a way to come together and do something bi-partisan for once? Split country, split philosophies- seems like a compromise budget is about right. And the full faith and credit of the US is fairly important I would think.
On another note, re: the big NYT piece today on the melting of Greenland. Would like comments from the denialist types here always talking about a new ice age and building up of ice in polar/cold regions. Is this piece about Greenland a lie? Why is Greenland’s ice pack now largely a series of rivers draining to the ocean?
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/10/27/world/greenland-is-melting-away.html
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Now here is a nice steaming pile for the sandbox.
http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2015/10/27/the-lefts-war-on-comment-sections/
Who else of the LIB persuasion do we know of keeps a jackboot on comments?
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Walt, why do you think Greenland is melting? Just take a wild guess!
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Is it the land and the ice? Greenland melting? What a hoot! And the NYT! Those darn Vikings settled that land a thousand years ago (even grew grapes) and then it iced up and they left. I guess their Bugatti automobiles did not work well then.
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There is melting in Greenland every year in the northern hemisphere summer months, I thought you knew that, Jon.
The gold standard for meteorology in the Arctic is the Danish Meteorological Institute…
http://www.dmi.dk/en/groenland/maalinger/greenland-ice-sheet-surface-mass-budget/
If you look at the Acc. SMB (Gt) chart about 2/3rds down, you’ll see that Greenland is currently adding ice mass at a rate above the 2 sigma level variations for the date. The scary articles that are keeping you up at night are projections assuming IPCC predictions are correct.
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OK “jon”,, explain the petrified forest in Arizona. (it’s now desert lands)
Yup, there used to be trees there! How bout that “global warming” for ya’?
Somehow people like you believe they can keep things just the way there are, right now.
How bout the nice aquatic fossils they find around Folsom? That was beach front property.
Really want Yosemite to be full of ice again? It really wasn’t that long ago.
Just a few years ago, man made artifacts have been found on the bottom of the English channel. (from human settlements)
The seas go up, the seas go down, and there is jack shit we can do about it.
That bright ball of fire in the sky has control of what happens here. Not the “carbon bullshit” the ECO bastards push.
How bout all these fires? Just think of all the crap they put up? Yet nothing “climate wise” has happened.
By the loony tune ECO bastards thinking (and hocky stick) Hawaii should be uninhabitable
today, and underwater.
Seen pictures of Hawaii and the beaches from way back when? It sure looks the same today.
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Posted by: Jon | 27 October 2015 at 03:42 PM
Boy these guys are going to love it when Paul Ryan guts the Freedom Caucus 🙂
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Sorry Greg, there is not this level of melting in Greenland every year. But millions of people understand that, as reflected on the front page of the NYT. If you don’t it really doesn’t matter.
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Steve, evening to you as well. Bad week in DC for the “freedom” caucus and Co, to say the least! And even the Trumpster has had a bad one too!
Do you have any idea what the host was trying to say about Lawton, OK on the other thread about Muslims in Europe? LOL.
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Walt, please cite where anyone cited or implied Hawaii would be underwater in 2015? Thanks.
..making exaggerations look plausible ain’t exactly your strong suit, is it?
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Good thing Greenland is melting. Manna from Heaven for Europe. Now the EU has a place to send their unwanted Muslim communities full of rapists and shaby abusers of all women, be they Muslim or normal ladies. Greenland is the perfect place for refugees from the Stone Age. There they can hump their goats without resistance until the sheep come home. Lots of elbow room as well. Only drawback for the them is there may not be enough native white women in Greenland to satisfy their bloodlust. But, all in all, melt Greenland, melt!! The sooner the better.
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There you go Bill. Seizing a great opportunity for your witty brand of racism!
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Freedom Caucus? Is that the white guys version the Congressional Black Caucus? Oops, Mia Love is a member of the “Freedom Caucus” and she is a cute black woman with a extraordinary brain. So Steve Frisch, dissing the FC means you are a racist pig. Is that right?
The Vikings are still waiting for the “jon” to tell them why they left Greenland.
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BillT, when ISIL takes over Amsterdam do you think they will pay for sex in the Red Light District?
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On the subject of Going Nowhere Fast, a big fat LOL for Jason Whatshisname.. These far righties are precious 🙂
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/jason-chaffetz-irs-chief_562fdc84e4b06317990fd88f
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If Frischy won’t hire people of color than why should anyone be surprised he is a hater of conservative people of color even if it a woman?
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make that people of color then. Thanks auto spell check. lol
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Posted by: Jon | 27 October 2015 at 03:42 PM
OK, Jon which of these paper indicating the current melting is not unusual, would you like to discuss first? I can create a dedicate page at http://sierrafoothillcommentary.com for the discussion and I will block all the troll. We can have a nice examination of the facts.
Abstract – 20 April 2012
An aerial view of 80 years of climate-related glacier fluctuations in southeast Greenland
…the recent retreat was matched in its vigour during a period of warming in the 1930s with comparable increases in air temperature. We show that many land-terminating glaciers underwent a more rapid retreat in the 1930s than in the 2000s, whereas marine-terminating glaciers retreated more rapidly during the recent warming….
http://dx.doi.org/10.1038/ngeo1481
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Abstract – 10 Nov 2011
High variability of Greenland surface temperature over the past 4000 years estimated from trapped air in an ice core
….The record indicates that warmer temperatures were the norm in the earlier part of the past 4000 years, including century-long intervals nearly 1°C warmer than the present decade (2001–2010). Therefore, we conclude that the current decadal mean temperature in Greenland has not exceeded the envelope of natural variability over the past 4000 years, a period that seems to include part of the Holocene…..
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/2011GL049444/abstract
Abstract – 14 July 2009
Greenland Ice Sheet Surface Air Temperature Variability: 1840–2007
…The annual whole ice sheet 1919–32 warming trend is 33% greater in magnitude than the 1994–2007 warming. The recent warming was, however, stronger along western Greenland in autumn and southern Greenland in winter….
http://dx.doi.org/10.1175/2009JCLI2816.1
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Abstract – 20 June 2006
Greenland warming of 1920–1930 and 1995–2005
We provide an analysis of Greenland temperature records to compare the current (1995–2005) warming period with the previous (1920–1930) Greenland warming. We find that the current Greenland warming is not unprecedented in recent Greenland history. Temperature increases in the two warming periods are of a similar magnitude, however, the rate of warming in 1920–1930 was about 50% higher than that in 1995–2005.
http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/2006/2006GL026510.shtml
Abstract – 6 June 2006
Extending Greenland temperature records into the late eighteenth century
“…The warmest year in the extended Greenland temperature record is 1941, while the 1930s and 1940s are the warmest decades….”
http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/greenland/vintheretal2006.pdf
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Abstract – 1946
The State of the West Greenland Current up to 1944
“….It is found that warmer conditions existed during the decade of 1880, followed by a colder period up to about 1920, when the present warm period began. The peak of the present warm period appears to have been reached in the middle 1930’s,…..”
http://www.nrcresearchpress.com/doi/abs/10.1139/f42-055
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Abstract – July 1937
A period of warm winters in Western Greenland and the temperature see-saw between Western Greenland and Central Europe
Particulars are given regarding the big rise of winter temperatures in Greenland and its more oceanic climate during the last fifteen years….
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/qj.49706327108/abstract
I think any logical person with the ability to do a little research on the Internet can find the scientific answers to Greenland’s melting. It has been doing it for centuries, and will continue every summer.
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Russ, perhaps you should take it up with the NYT. Front page story this morning read by hundreds of thousands of people around the US and world. The Times piece wasn’t focusing on this one year.
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re Jon 813pm – It seems to me that confirming the progressive NYT’s “hundreds of thousands of people around the US and world” as reason to accept its view of reality is a step down from consensus science to consensus crowds to maintain the comfort level of True Believers. Will they next point out the millions of trees that gave their lives for the Gray Lady’s print edition as further validations of the newspaper’s editorial content?
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Hey Russ, that’s a sorry I am not up to the heavy lifting from ‘the jon’ and the NYT is his bible, heck a front page makes it so. LOL 😉
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Russ haven’t you learned the True Believers only believe in a flat earth? Science stands still. “jon” would be on the panel condemning Galileo for goodness sake. One other thing. “jon” has learned well from Hill-Billy Clinton that there is more than one way to lie. Don’t believe your lying eyes.
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Posted by: Jon | 27 October 2015 at 08:13 PM
NYT is not interested in the facts, they would destroy the narrative that they use to generate climate change hysteria, which sells papers. Telling their readers Greenland melt in normal, would deny them the ability to sell climate change hysteria on the front page. Follow the money!
I offered you a free science lesson and you turned it down.
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Posted by: Russ Steele | 27 October 2015 at 08:54 PM
I’m sure the climate change coverage by the Old Fey Lady is every bit the same top notch journalism as that in their most recent expose of nail salons in the city Russ!
Really who needs facts when there’s an important message to deliver?
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Tina Fey? 🙂
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No doubt Ryan will part out the remaining Tea Partiers and isolate the few remaining to die a natural political demise. The TP’s are at the lowest level of public approval since their incarnation.
http://www.pollingreport.com/politics.htm
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“Freedom Caucus? Is that the white guys version the Congressional Black Caucus? Oops, Mia Love is a member of the “Freedom Caucus” and she is a cute black woman with a extraordinary brain. So Steve Frisch, dissing the FC means you are a racist pig. Is that right?………..
Posted by: Todd Juvinall | 27 October 2015 at 07:26 PM”
Seriously Todd you are so full of shit.
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Now, this stir that bacon will cause cancer is again much ado about nothing. First, the dire warning comes from the UN of all things, so the funded study is not worth the paper it’s written on. The UN? If you Google “monkey tries to hump a football”, a picture of the UN Building pops up. Geez, the veg heads always are telling us that raising beef will burn us.all up, lol. They sure like to cry wolf until their cries become ignored or taken with more than touch of amusement.
http://www.someecards.com/life/health/susannah-mushatt-jones-oldest-person-bacon/
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In the Irony Category, the city and local artists were not the only ones that love Houston.
http://www.khou.com/story/news/local/2015/10/01/cameramen-showcasing-houston-robbed-at-gunpoint/73131586/
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Drudge: US CONGRESS TO INVESTIGATE NOAA’S TEMPERATURE ADJUSTMENTS
It is about time, almost half of claimed global warming is due to data tampering by NASA over the past 10 years.
https://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2015/10/28/nasa-has-nearly-doubled-global-warming-by-data-tampering-since-2005/
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Breaking: NOAA refuses to provide Congress with e-mails on study claiming climate pause never happened!
Now I wonder just what is in those e-mails that NOAA does not want the public to know? The real question is will the lamesstream press investigate? My guess is that NOAA gets the same cover that the IRS got.
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NOAA might take a page out of East Anglia U’s playbook. Destroy the data so no “non believer” can see it, and use it against them.
Congress asked(demanded) to see the science used by the EPA, and got the finger, the EPA claiming that science “secret”. I dare the true believers to look up the news of that “secret science”. Sorry boys and girls, the EPA isn’t NSA and info like that isn’t a threat to national security. Just LIB BS security.
Here is the Greenland story from a more reputable source.
http://dailycaller.com/2015/10/27/ny-times-greenland-is-melting/
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Let’s hear it for NOAA not buckling under to what is essentially a witch hunt by a Congressional Committee whose record on publicly going after scientists for working with federal agencies is legend.
http://www.csmonitor.com/Environment/2015/1028/NOAA-refuses-to-comply-with-House-science-committee-subpoena
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Posted by: Walt | 28 October 2015 at 08:35 AM
By the way Walt NOAA has already turned over the science or agreed to do so as part of this process.
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Ah, the endless support of government because they can do no wrong. Libs, you just have to admire their slavish love of bureaucracy.
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On the climate change front…..
GORE: ‘Global warming’ making people dumber…
Progressive feature….not progressive bug!
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Posted by: Todd Juvinall | 28 October 2015 at 09:03 AM
We just like facts Todd; we can’t help it if we tell the truth and you look silly (can I say silly George?)
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But Steve Frisch, your facts are all fabricated. Why would you believe them? And I thought you were a “smarter than the average bear”! Is that a mental disorder?
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Let’s hear it for NOAA not buckling under to what is essentially a witch hunt by a Congressional Committee whose record on publicly going after scientists for working with federal agencies is legend.
TRANSLATION:
It would be better if nothing untoward turned up during this investigation. Better to stonewall this until the electorate can be distracted by the next shiny object waved before them.
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Posted by: Todd Juvinall | 28 October 2015 at 09:15 AM
My facts are confirmed by one of the best newspapers in the country, the Christian Science Monitor, and conformed by the House Committee (they readily admit that all science was turned over). You see ‘fabrications’ under every rock.
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Yup Steve, Todd J is full of shit. Kudos to NOAA for holding their ground. As two members of Congress admitted last week, these Committees are only formed for one reason, to help the GOP. Sorry boys, people are tired of these political witch hunts. Screw these partisan amateur buffoons in the Freedom Caucus.
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Posted by: Steven Frisch | 28 October 2015 at 09:31 AM
But government agencies always lie. Selective IRS targeting….VA Healthcare scandal….Hillary Clintons state department e-mails…..etc.
To quote a great man….”this isn’t the hill you want to die on”!
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No Steve Frisch, the government lies about most everything these days. Fish s correct. Your facts are fabricated and untrue. Try harder. I see your sock puppet “jon” is eating your excrement. What a hoot!
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To the interested reader – isn’t it comedic how our liberal readers continue to accuse those of us PGW skeptics of being lonely outliers when the debate about AGW has grown to congressional levels with non-cooperating government departments involved. Now NOAA joins the IRS, State Dept, EPA, DoJ, … in their refusal to cooperate with Congress. And the usual progressive chorus again launches into their rendition of the Witch Hunt Chorus. (You are sure to find additional editions of Exhibit A in the sequel.)
And as the debate continues, be prepared for these low-information types to again claim that PGW skepticism resides only in the heads of redneck ignoramuses living in isolated backwoods communities.
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The fact remains that no one except the far right takes these hack Committees the least bit seriously. Impeach the head of the IRS..LOL. Good luck in your losing endeavors, boys. Darrell Issa can tell you about losing endeavors!
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Ah, just keep it all under wraps until we sign our future away at Paris. Once the ink dries, then release the records all day long.
Hey, does anyone know if that Federal law that requires firms with 20 or more employees to keep records of all e-mails on all computers for a few years applies to gobberment as well?? Or, did they exempt themselves from the law of the land per Standard Operating Procedure? . Just wondering….
Time that Judicial Watch and other open government advocates and a few news organizations finally get a judge to threaten the EPA or NOAA with contempt of court for not releasing FOIA records, it will be 2021. Then they can say “What difference at this point does it makes anyway?”
Witch hunt, Steve? That in and of itself raises eyebrows. The Hillary defense. That witch hunt on Hillary only last week revealed that Ambassor Stevens (her long time friend) sent. 600…. Let that sink in……600 e-mails directly to his friend Rodclam and she said she did not ever receive one. Guess he did not have her private e-mail address. It was a secret. Nothing to see here, just a witch hunt by the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy and USA Today and Ruetgers, and………..
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here’s an amusing story about David Koch inadvertently praising socialized medicine! Good stuff.
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/charles-koch-oops-praises-obamacare-without-knowing-it-2015-10-28
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Some at NOAA want to spend the witches’ money but don’t want the oversight? NOAA turned over the already public information, the Congressional subpoena is for information they didn’t make public but Federal dollars enabled and reside in Federal computers and Federal storage cabinets.
It’s a sideshow but a sideshow the Congress has a right to pursue.
Regarding Jon’s Greenland sideshow, the NYT article was about a few scientists doing fieldwork to gather information in an attempt to validate their computer models which remain unvalidated, meaning they got grants to produce models with scary output and now they’re trying to validate the results. In the meantime we have the DMI pages showing Greenland ice gaining mass in October at a rate larger than the 2 sigma range of the past…, and all the recent seasonal mass changes being within recent natural variations (summer melt, winter freeze), but that’s just weather.
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Posted by: Jon | 28 October 2015 at 10:05 AM
I love it when you spontaneously change the subject……
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This is SOP for lib True Believers and the tactics are right out of the Communist Manifesto. Alinsky perfected those tactics for the left in America. As we see the TB’s and their sock puppets like “jon” spread their lies at all levels of the country. As GeorgeR said, just look at all that stonewalling by Obama and his henchmen. I bet Steve Frisch and his sock puppet “jon” would be all in for a Congressional Investigation of a conservative organization. What a couple of losers. As long as these libs get their cut they could care less about the truth.
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