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The more tightly ANY system is coupled, the more likely its performance is paced by its weakest and/or its most stupid members.  Mother Nature

In the 10oct15 Union there is an opinion piece that perfectly, nay, iconically reveals the liberal mind.  ‘Let’s Have a Worthy Debate’ by local politician Heidi Hall and much regaled/reviled meteorologist Dr Michael Mann (of Hockeystick fame) is a call to silence the preventable global warming (PGW) skeptics and banish their voices from the public media.  It is a chilling preview of the future that our progressives have in store for Americans.

The Union management appears to be flummoxed by how to properly present all this debate. They are having a hard time sticking to their policy to publish letters rebutting named condemnations (e.g. one of my rebuttals was not published).  Admittedly it is a difficult piece of content management, especially about something that people spend most of their time talking past each other, like hiding everything under the misleading umbrella ‘climate change’ which is not even in dispute.

One of the more interesting aspects of the Hall/Mann piece is its stock denigration of skeptics without mentioning one word about the significant science and scientists who have presented counter arguments to PGW in all of its dimensions.  To understand the taxonomy of the issues involved in any rational discussion of PGW, please see Drilling Down ‘Climate Change’.  But then, censorship not reason is the objective of their piece attacking skeptics; Hall/Mann do not mince words –

Journalists and editorial page editors need to stop wasting ink to give a false sense of equity from “both sides of the issue.” In this time of Internet jockeys thinking that every opinion is equal regardless of their actual understanding of the issue, this matters.

Publishers and bloggers do us a disservice by not distinguishing credible opinion from absurdities, and continuing to give both equal time. We understand that it can be difficult to determine the credibility of opinions. But doing so is, in our opinion, a key responsibility of journalists today.


The skeptics are relegated to a low class of “Internet jockeys” and bloggers who are not only uneducated but have no critical thinking skills.  Therefore “a key responsibility of journalists today” is to “determine the credibility of opinions”, and cull out those of the skeptics (you definitely can't make this stuff up).  Now such a gargantuan task is to be laid on what today is one of the most intellectually stunted and agenda driven occupations whose credibility with their readership ranks down there with that of lawyers and politicians.

But lay aside that and the omission of the large body of science that details material shortcomings and errors in the work of the politically driven True Believers.  One of the more humorous observations I have of Dr Mann taking time with a small town politician to dun the skeptics in these Sierra foothills is that they lambast us as ignorant voices talking only to each other within a small and insignificant community.  If that is so, then why would a dominant figure adored by the nation’s progressives and leftwing politicians deign to waste time lending his weight to counter skeptical bloggers and readers of a newspaper with a negligibly small readership?  What’s so important about Nevada County?  If the skeptical critics in the Union (e.g. columns by Norm Sauer, Bob Hren, Gregory Goodknight, and moi) and on blogs like WUWT (Anthony Watts), Next Grand Minimum (Russ Steele), and RR are so far off base in their arguments countering PGW, then why bother?  Really?

Methinks otherwise.  I know that the mentioned blogs are read nationwide and overseas.  Today it’s easy to have Google (e.g. Google Alerts) notify you whenever someone publishes something of nominated interest to you.  Ms Hall’s participation here is clear – as a declared leftwing candidate, she is burnishing her credentials riding on the coattails of Dr Mann on an issue near and dear to progressive hearts.  But the only rationale for Mann to devote his time/name to counter these critics is that we are giving effective voice to a growing body of science/engineering that threatens to upset the Left's carefully constructed and grant/tax powered applecart on the road to Agenda21.

Finally, to put this effort by the Left to abrogate the First Amendment and silence opposition into perspective, take a read of 'Shut Up – Or We'll Shut You Down' in the 10oct15 WSJ.  To understand the draconian national initiatives the socialists are seeking against their dissenters, can you spell RICO (Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act)?  Yes, these scumbags are actually attempting to make public PGW skepticism a criminal act under RICO which would "shut down debate because it can inflict treble damages upon a defendant."  This, dear reader, is what we have been talking about in these pages for the last eight years.  And this is why the local leftwing lackies (who have also called for silencing me both in the Union and on KVMR) support the likes of Sen Elizabeth Warren in legislation to shut down institutions and blogs like this.  Their brave new world may be no more than one or two elections away.

[11oct15 update]  In these, my offerings on the workings of the liberal mind, we have again been blessed to have the participation of our most welcome spate of liberals/progressives/socialists.  And again, they come to illustrate and underline the thesis outlined and expanded in these pages over the years.  No one does it better than Mr Steven Frisch, CEO of a regional non-profit that promotes and helps implement government diktats of the collectivist genre.

Above I have focused not on the science of PGW, but how the Left continues its policy of silencing arguments counter to its agenda and belief system – here it is a general proposal of censorship by the media, in particular in our local newspaper The Union.

But let us first dispose of a few PGW-relevant points of science.  A fundamental tenet of science is that no ‘fact’ is ever known with certainty – therefore prima facie evidence of a non-scientific argument is to claim otherwise and depart further from science and state that debate on a point of science is over.  Nationally respected Professor Philip Tetlock of the Wharton School (U of Penn), who has served on numerous government boards and commissions investigating issues and events involving uncertainty, advises “it is a huge mistake to belittle belief updating”.  This echoes economist Keynes’ famous, “When the facts change, I change my mind.  What do you do, sir?”

And since the first alarums about catastrophic global warming were raised, and then augmented by assertions that proper human actions could halt it, many facts have indeed changed as non-politicized investigators (scientists, engineers, et al) have entered the fray and committed their own intellectual capital to less preordained programs of research.  As pointed out here for years, constant (Bayesian) belief updating is critical to maintaining an unbiased and correct knowledge base.

Students of the estimation and forecasting field understand that uncertainty comes in two major flavors – epistemic and aleatory.  Epistemic uncertainty bestows hope about something unknown but knowable, at least in theory.  Aleatory uncertainty is an attribute of something that is both unknown and unknowable under our current state of knowledge (i.e. including all extant theories).  Physical and computer scientists have told us for decades that our universe resists knowing the future, and the more so as we seek to extend the time horizon – this unfortunate state of reality says that predicting the vicissitudes of climate decades or a century from now is an aleatory enterprise.  And fundamental science proscribes pronouncements from such infectious hubris.

But grant-driven science hacks like Michael Mann and James Hansen are pipers playing the tune of their political benefactors.  They remind history students of the career of epigeneticist Trofim Lysenko (q.v.) the hoaky 'scientist' who ruled soviet agriculture for 30 years, and in the process destroyed it.  His client was the state (Stalin), and the rest of their scientific community dutifully fell into line.  There censorship of counter arguments was complete, as according to today's well-publicized wishes of our progressive cadres in the US who cite consensus science as the foundation of irremediable truth.  (The fact that the overwhelming fraction of the cited consensual thousands don’t understand climate as a system and deny supplying IPCC with anything more than inputs from their own narrow fields, that fact is judiciously trampled by propaganda promoting progressives – ‘nothing to see here, just move along.’) As all students of science know, that field of endeavor does not move with the horde, but through the insights of lonely pioneers vilified for the existential threats their work presents to the status quo that always has thousands of lockstep cadres defending their belief barricaded turfs.  But that is a sister issue already well-covered and in anticipation of more on the way.

Meanwhile, back at the ranch.

Most people understand ‘censor’ to mean the denial by one party/agency of another party/agency communicating an idea, facts, proposition, belief, or elements of knowledge.  Formally from Merriam-Webster (see also Gregory’s 955am) – “Censorship is the suppression of speech, public communication or other information which may be considered objectionable, harmful, sensitive, politically incorrect or inconvenient as determined by governments, media outlets, authorities or other groups or institutions.”  (apropos emphasis mine)

In America, censorship is directly addressed in our right to free speech as specified in the First Amendment.  As it applies to our public forum and the several institutions that make up our society, not all forms of censorship are illegal for the simple reason that free speech is not guaranteed for all and in all circumstances – e.g. members of the military, employees of certain government agencies and private corporations, etc.  But it most certainly is guaranteed to rank and file citizens, absent their membership in restrictive organizations, especially when they seek to communicate their beliefs and opinions on broadly impactive public policies, matters of science, history, religion, social values, mores, etc, and especially about their government.

There is a difference between beseeching public media to “ignore” certain factions and tenets, and advising private individuals to do so.  Since public media are outlets for general communications in a society, such calls by Hall and Mann for responsible journalists to ignore and “stop wasting ink” on specific topics, is simply the call for censoring such ideas from consumers of their outlets.  Mr Frisch’s attempts at counter-examples of censorship in his 636pm and 643pm give ample evidence that he agrees with this general definition when it conforms to and supports his own ideology.  I cannot cite a better exemplar of the liberal mind than Mr Frisch's 126am below, wherein he extolls the notion that he and his are privileged to incorrigible facts which then should fall upon the rest of us as ex cathedra pronouncements.  For these self-styled worthies, ‘saving ink’ in such circumstances should not be seen as censorship but instead a public service.

What Hall and Mann said was that the facts should end the debate not that censorship should end the debate. There is a big difference. You are dissembling and creating a faux issue to have a star dog to attack. It is really an act of desperation on your part gentlemen.  (emphasis mine)

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168 responses to “The Liberal Mind – Climate Skeptical Debates are Unworthy and Should be Censored (updated 11oct15)”

  1. Russ Avatar

    Steven@07:05AM
    Before you intellectually embarrass yourself more than you have already with your claims of support for Michael E. Mann’s Hickey Stick you should read Mark Steyn’s book. See what his fellow scientist are saying about the construction of the Hockey Stick graphic. Not one of his fellow scientist filed an amicus curiae brief in support of Mann’s Law Suit against Mark Steyn for calling the hockey stick a fraud. Yet, many scientist and national media publications filed amicus curiae in support of Steyn. Why is that the case? Simple, the scientific community and media knows that the hockey stick graphic is a fraud.
    Here is a link to “A Disgrace to the Profession”
    http://www.amazon.com/%2522A-Disgrace-Profession%2522-Steyn-editor/dp/0986398330/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1444574678&sr=1-1&keywords=mark+steyn

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  2. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    No Steve risch, I have followed your ilk for over twenty years and have watched the progression to fascist ideology and policies. You and your ilk want to shut people up so you can rip them off (taxes and fees redistributed). The poor and middle class are so squeezed by you and the other “true believer fascists” they can hardly make it day to day. You could care less about them. So you go read all the books you want but the bottom line is the results. You have figured out how to male money off this scheme and the poor and middle class get the bill.

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  3. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    Watching the sunrise in Truckee is probably a far more pleasurable pursuit than reading a book by Rush Limbaugh’s substitute host.
    I would imagine..

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  4. Steven Frisch Avatar
    Steven Frisch

    Posted by: Russ | 11 October 2015 at 08:03 AM
    Russ with all due respect to your support for the bombastic Mr. Steyn, this is not an issue of supporting or opposing the ‘hockey stick’ graph, it is a question of whether or not Mr. Mann and Ms. Hall called for censorship in their editorial. The case I made was that they did not, and that George’s characterization is not only inaccurate, it was an intentional straw dog designed to divert people from the real issue; the overwhelming evidence of AGW and the widespread support the theory has in the scientific community.
    By the way I listen to Mark Steyn on the radio occasionally and I can think of nothing more distasteful than actually reading his book. The man is a lightweight and an idiot.

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  5. Steven Frisch Avatar
    Steven Frisch

    Posted by: Todd Juvinall | 11 October 2015 at 08:06 AM
    “I know you are but what am I?”

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  6. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    “I have followed YOUR ILK for over twenty years…”
    Now there’s a real Uniter, not a divider.:) Perfect line to run for Supervisor for the Nevada City area, what do you think Steve?

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  7. MikeL Avatar
    MikeL

    Micheal Mann was shown to have used incorrect mathiey skills and cherry picked tree-momiters to arrive at his discredited famous hokey stick graph. I can not for the life of me understand how anyone can trust anything this quack has to say….oh wait that’s right he is spouts the dogma that the CAGW pious want hear.
    The simple fact is that the real world data, that which has not been force feed into a computer AlGore-rythim, DOES NOT support what the high priests say.

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  8. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    The Nevada City area voters love me. It will be fun.
    I see Steve Frisch is acting like an 11 year old girl again.8:15 AM

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  9. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    Heidi Hall is going to be a fantastic addition to the Sups.

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  10. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    what is a sups? Soup kitchen helper maybe?

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  11. Steven Frisch Avatar
    Steven Frisch

    Posted by: Todd Juvinall | 11 October 2015 at 08:37 AM
    Todd, what I am pointing out is that dialogue with you is like talking with an 11 year old girl, or a 65 year old man-boy. I am amazed that a 65 year old man is still telling shit jokes, making fun of people about their weight, and bragging about the size of their penis over on their own blog, and that it is countenanced by George here on occasion. It speaks for itself about who and what you really are; an insecure curmudgeon.
    I really hope you run for Supervisor. We can use the ‘way-back’ web to illustrate to the voters what a lightweight immature idiot they had as a County Supervisor.

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  12. Steven Frisch Avatar
    Steven Frisch

    Just one classic Todd quote: “He does doesn’t he? Well, not to brag but I am better looking and have a very nice life. It does not hurt to walk and take a dump. I weigh three hundred pouns less and I can still see my willie when peeing. Maybe that is why he is jealous? LOL!!”

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  13. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Dr. Mann, professor of meteorology (indeed, a meteoric rise at odds with his slow progression through BS to doctorate) with a PhD in Meteorology has chosen to ignore his own American Meteorological Society (he’s now a Fellow) polled his peers a year or so ago and only half (52% to be precise) thought half or more of the last century’s warming was anthropogeenic, from all actions. CO2, deforestation, black carbon (soot), urban heat island, aerosols, etc
    Expect if they’d been asked if they believed Mann’s hockey stick the level of support would have been quite small as Mann is not wearing well in the literature.
    Regarding Steyn’s book, the genius is that he didn’t write it, Mann’s scientific peers (and, I’d argue, his betters) did. Here’s an example:

    Why I Think That Michael Mann, Phil Jones and Stefan Rahmstorf2 Should be Barred from the IPCC Process. Short answer: because the scientific assessments in which they may take part are not credible anymore. These words do not mean that I think anthropogenic climate change is a hoax. On the contrary, it is a question which we have to be very well aware of. But I am also aware that editors, reviewers and authors of alternative studies, analysis, interpretations, even based on the same data we have at our disposal, have been bullied and subtly blackmailed.
    -Dr. Eduardo Zorito

    Dr. Judith Curry has made it clear she thinks Steyn is a formidable opponent and that it won’t go well for Mann. For his part Steyn has come out swinging rather than hiding in a corner as a target of a multimillion dollar libel suit might be expected, and the title of his “in their own words” anthology intimates there will be a second volume.
    In the meantime, Mann seems to be dragging his feet in his pursuit of justice, and we can only wonder why.

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  14. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Mann and Company aren’t calling for the government to shut people up (that’s a different group, the RICO20 persecutions), they’re calling for newspapers and readers to ignore voices to the contrary. I’d argue the spirit is the same.

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  15. Steven Frisch Avatar
    Steven Frisch

    “My experience is that it has been ONLY the Left that has sought and continues to seek such censorship under the government gun. If the Right has been equally guilty, would like to see the citations. But I think such queries are best handled by their crickets.”
    Re: Posted by: George Rebane | 10 October 2015 at 09:45 PM
    George you asked for examples of attempts by the right to restrict free speech and that it was only the left that did so. I provided numerous examples, and could provide hundreds more if we had the time and inclination.

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  16. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Jon | 11 October 2015 at 08:40 AM
    Heidi Hall is going to be a fantastic addition to the Sups.

    Indeed. To quote das feist man….“you are petty because the stakes are so small”.

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  17. Steven Frisch Avatar
    Steven Frisch

    Posted by: Gregory | 11 October 2015 at 09:03 AM
    Well you might argue that ‘the spirit is the same’ but it is not. Seeking a restriction on free speech and stating that the opposition should be ignored are two very different things. Everyone has a free speech right to claim the opposition should be ignored; you guys do it here all day long.
    George;s case was that Mann and Hall called for censorship, they did not such thing, they said the opposition was irrational and should be ignored.

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  18. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    fish, very small stakes indeed. But incredibly, your colleagues here are freaking out at the thought of Ms. Hall representing part of western Nevada County. Let them know, there’s a big world out there!

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  19. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    Steve, can you imagine if Todd runs…the embarrassing and vile material is endless!

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  20. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Steven Frisch | 11 October 2015 at 08:46 AM
    Just one classic Todd quote: “He does doesn’t he? Well, not to brag but I am better looking and have a very nice life. It does not hurt to walk and take a dump. I weigh three hundred pouns less and I can still see my willie when peeing. Maybe that is why he is jealous? LOL!!”

    Would have been better in context but for points non-subjective is where are the inaccuracies in Todds statement?
    1) Well, not to brag but I am better looking and have a very nice life.
    First part self evident…..hey “No Homo”. Second part subjective.
    2) It does not hurt to walk and take a dump.
    Speculation on both points but reasonable speculation in my opinion.
    3) I weigh three hundred pouns less and I can still see my willie when peeing.
    See item two.
    4) Maybe that is why he is jealous? LOL!!”
    Maybe!
    Thanks for posting this “Classic Todd Quote” Steve!

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  21. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Jon | 11 October 2015 at 09:19 AM
    Nearly as funny as you dancing in a circle clapping while singing “Heidi, Heidi……….”.

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  22. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    I might do that on election night. She’s a great person.

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  23. Joe Koyote Avatar
    Joe Koyote

    Quiz: What is the most banned book in American History? Lady Chatterley’s Lover, Huckleberry Finn, Lolita, or Common Sense?
    On the topic at hand– What I fail to understand is why the hardcore resistance to measures that will reduce the possibility of disaster. I would think that reasonable people would rather be safe than sorry. It is like your house is on fire and the attitude is “it’s not really a fire, just smoke, so let’s wait and see if the house burns down before we call the fire department.” The law of the land and our judicial system of adjudication is based on the concept of “beyond a REASONABLE doubt.” Is it unreasonable to think that the arguments of thousands of scientists worldwide are somehow wrong when compared to fossil fuel industry promoted and funded “science”? Exxon began it’s anti-climate change propaganda as early as 1984 (an odd coincidence), as that is when their engineers told them there could be a problem with carbon emissions. All one has to do is (once again) follow the money. Who has the most/least to gain, the thousands of scientists who maybe make a couple of hundred grand if they are lucky, or the fossil fuel industry that makes billions a year for shareholders. Given the corporate mandate that growth and profit must always increase, is it unreasonable to assume that these people (corporations are now people) will do/say anything to meet that mandate and fatten their wallets at the public’s expense?

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  24. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    From Merriam-Webster via wikipedia:

    Censorship is the suppression of speech, public communication or other information which may be considered objectionable, harmful, sensitive, politically incorrect or inconvenient as determined by governments, media outlets, authorities or other groups or institutions.

    Since Mann/Hall are calling for media outlets to suppress inconvenient speech, they are calling for censorship according to this authoritative definition. Frisch is wrong yet a’gin.

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  25. Joe Koyote Avatar
    Joe Koyote

    Memo to fish — As a non-resident, please explain why you give a crap about the politics of supervisor elections in Nevada County, other than you just like to get off on stirring the soup?

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  26. Steven Frisch Avatar
    Steven Frisch

    Posted by: Joe Koyote | 11 October 2015 at 09:52 AM
    Total guess but I would guess Huck Finn

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  27. MikeL Avatar
    MikeL

    Joe K…..please be a leader and do you part and stop all of your uses of fossil fuels.
    Please supply a list of the scientists that have taken oil money and I will be glad to discount their work as being possibly tainted. I have not seen the list and would really like to know who these people are.

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  28. Joe Koyote Avatar
    Joe Koyote

    MikeL – if you are so interested than I assume you would do the research as I have done and find out for yourself rather than take other people’s word for it. Be a leader Mike, here is a start.
    http://graphics.latimes.com/exxon-arctic/

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  29. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Joe Koyote | 11 October 2015 at 09:58 AM
    jon and I discuss numerous topics here at RR’s. Sometimes when he starts to act silly I comment about that much like I comment when you start to go off the rails after a hard night of political theory and Victory gin.
    In point of fact, I don’t care who wins the supervisors race.

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  30. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Jon | 11 October 2015 at 09:34 AM
    Well help a brother out and take a video for upload when you do!

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  31. larry wirth Avatar
    larry wirth

    Steven @7:48:
    Your paraphrase of Hoffer sounds like a perfect description of the CAGW movement of today. Except the conspiracy part; not likely a matter of organized conspiracy, just a group of folks wanting to ride the best gravy train of the moment.
    Next time you bloviate thusly, pick up a mirror while doing so.

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  32. Steven Frisch Avatar
    Steven Frisch

    I think you should read Hoffer too Larry.
    The people with ’empty’ rhetoric are here and in the denial community. No emptiness in the AGW community….it is tens of thousands of scientists and organizations from across the world…almost every major scientific organization…dozens of universities and scientific institution…
    Face it, you guys are trying to make a few outliers appear to be a broad cross section of the scientific community….that is simply a lie.
    Hoffer was talking about Todd, George, Walt, Russ and yes, you.
    Discontented, alienated, ‘last great century of man’ thinkers.

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  33. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: larry wirth | 11 October 2015 at 10:29 AM
    Your paraphrase of Hoffer sounds like a perfect description of the CAGW movement of today. Except the conspiracy part; not likely a matter of organized conspiracy, just a group of folks wanting to ride the best gravy train of the moment.
    Next time you bloviate thusly, pick up a mirror while doing so.

    Certainly you could use the term conspiracy Larry! Uncle Stupid stands to divert trillions from you into his pockets to spend on his wants. To spread around some “bread crumbs” to the various NGOs and guys like Steve who serve to evangelists for the the cause is conspiratorial by definition.

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  34. fish Avatar
    fish

    Crap!
    …..guys like Steve who serve as evangelists for the the cause…

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  35. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    RICO Act? Shirley you jest. We knuckle dragging yahoo members of The Flat Earth Society are too scattered, in disarray, too disorganized, money losing, dying off cripples to ever be even remotely considered as an Organized Crime. Good lawyers are worth their weight in gold.

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  36. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    Steven Frisch | 11 October 2015 at 09:06 AM
    So was there a D or a R next to your entries so we can see who banned those books? I think that is missing. My guess is the democrats of the south banned most of those.
    And yes, I am better looking than Steve Frisch. He is just jealous about my celebrity with TSA women agents at the X-ray machines. So, he acts like a 11 year old squealing little girl.

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  37. MikeL Avatar
    MikeL

    Joe K (10:12 AM)
    I just wanted to see if you had a list of the oil funded scientists. Apparently you don’t, so you send me an article from the LA Times. Nice try. This still does not count as a list of the so called scientists that are funded by big oil who are trying to mislead the public.
    I read a lot of sciency stuff and have only heard of one scientist that the true believers try to smear with this oil funding is evil label. This would be Dr. Soon.
    As I said previously I am will to discount the oil funded scientists for possible biases in their work. It is just that I have not seen the super secret list of these people.
    Please help…

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  38. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    JoeK doesn’t live in Nevada County so he and “jon” another non resident should not be taken seriously as they say about fish.
    Heidi Ho! Censor those “deniers”, shut them down and lock them up. And if that damn Union prints another letter debating the issue, throw that bum Hemig into jail too!

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  39. Steven Frisch Avatar
    Steven Frisch

    Posted by: Todd Juvinall | 11 October 2015 at 11:29 AM
    As you are fond of saying Todd, “do your own damn research!”
    But of course I have and the vast majority of those seeking to ban books are conservative groups, mostly religious groups, who object to either sexual orientation content or questioning religious doctrine. Although I am sure you can find one I am pretty sure you are going to be hard pressed to find any large body of ‘liberals’ advocating banning books,

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  40. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    BS Frisch, you know the democrats of the south were the ones banning them. You are to easy.

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  41. Steven Frisch Avatar
    Steven Frisch

    Posted by: Todd Juvinall | 11 October 2015 at 11:51 AM
    This from a guys who is featuring a picture of Adolph Hitler with a fake quote on the front page of his blog, thinks he has the biggest dick in the world, and refuses to do any independent research, or regularly calls sourcing a statement ‘cut and paste.’
    Todd, you just can’t help it you are as dumb as a rock.

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  42. fish Avatar
    fish

    …….thinks he has the biggest dick in the world!
    The biggest in the world?? Really Todd?!
    Hat tip (No high five though)!

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  43. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    Steven Frisch | 11 October 2015 at 12:02 PM
    One thing for sure about you is you just make it up and we have to clean it up for the folks. If there was a stupider person in Truckee it would be hard to find.
    For the readers, this Frisch character spins a lot of tales but not many have truth in them. That is what a liberal does.
    Lastly, as the reader can read, Frisch cannot prove his allegations about censorship and who practices it. We on the right want more free speech and debate, Mr. Frisch would jail you for arguing against “global warming” You all decide, Frisch, jail time for your speech, we on the right, more debate and more speech.

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  44. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    fish | 11 October 2015 at 12:10 PM
    Well Frisch seems to be obsessed with it. LOL!

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  45. Steven Frisch Avatar
    Steven Frisch

    Posted by: Todd Juvinall | 11 October 2015 at 12:17 PM
    Really Todd all I have to do is quote you to make you look like Freudian dream, stupid and juvenile at the same time.

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  46. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    Steve Frisch, you are soo easy. My goodness no wonder the country is in a mess with people like you spreading the BS.

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  47. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Steve F @ 11:47 in the am.
    Well, it sure wasn’t us inbred hillbillies who took Huck Finn out of public education. Shoot howdy, we has to read that boring Looking Backwards and did not one, not two, but 3 reports on it. Spent longer on that one book that the others as the teacher was having daily organism about the coming People’s Paradise of Utopia. And of course, she make us read some more Upton Sinclair to be fair and balanced and get our thinking caps screwed on right. I have been indoctrinated!, but survived.
    Yep, hard to rid myself of all that brain washing from back in the day. It’s been a long hard road from being a tree hugging granola brain self pitting Yippie, (Youth International Party) to this mellow Morris the puddly cat. There is yet hope for Steve. Never trust anyone over 30, Pig, pig, pig!, and “when the revolution comes there will be no more nigger or bullshit.”
    While all my early teen age contemporaries where buying the Beatles and Beach Boy records, I bought The Stone’s Street Fighting Man and Paint it Black. Steve, keep spinning those “Be True To Your School”and “Hey Jude” 45s until your turntable needle wears out. See ya when you get back from NeverNeverLand. I’ll leave a candle for ya in the window…just under the curtains.

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    Gregory

    “Face it, you guys are trying to make a few outliers appear to be a broad cross section of the scientific community….that is simply a lie.”-Frisch
    Half of Mann’s American Meteorological Society believe less than half of the last century’s warming is from the actions of man. Fact.
    The oft repeated “97%” claims are complete fabrications from the likes of Doran&Zimmerman, Oreskes and Cook and the likes of Mann should be ashamed to repeat them.

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  49. Bonnie McGuire Avatar

    I like to read the blogs to see how people think about things. Dr. Rebane yours is wonderful because of your example. Most interesting are those able to express their opinions here, but would limit the opinions of those with whom they disagree. I wonder why they show up here instead of sticking to their boring one opinion blog that belittles opposing ideas. In fact, they constantly stir the pot with the same old tunnel vision. Most who have been around, watched and experienced the planned undermining of our economy and valuable middle class workers find the dumb pot stirring rhetoric repulsive. It’s not realistic….and caustic.

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  50. Steven Frisch Avatar
    Steven Frisch

    “Most who have been around, watched and experienced the planned undermining of our economy and valuable middle class workers find the dumb pot stirring rhetoric repulsive.”
    Some day you will wake up an realize who planned the undermining of the middle class Bonnie, starting with the Powell memo.

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