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George Rebane

The more tightly ANY system is coupled, the more likely its performance is paced by its weakest and/or its most stupid members.  Mother Nature

In the 10oct15 Union there is an opinion piece that perfectly, nay, iconically reveals the liberal mind.  ‘Let’s Have a Worthy Debate’ by local politician Heidi Hall and much regaled/reviled meteorologist Dr Michael Mann (of Hockeystick fame) is a call to silence the preventable global warming (PGW) skeptics and banish their voices from the public media.  It is a chilling preview of the future that our progressives have in store for Americans.

The Union management appears to be flummoxed by how to properly present all this debate. They are having a hard time sticking to their policy to publish letters rebutting named condemnations (e.g. one of my rebuttals was not published).  Admittedly it is a difficult piece of content management, especially about something that people spend most of their time talking past each other, like hiding everything under the misleading umbrella ‘climate change’ which is not even in dispute.

One of the more interesting aspects of the Hall/Mann piece is its stock denigration of skeptics without mentioning one word about the significant science and scientists who have presented counter arguments to PGW in all of its dimensions.  To understand the taxonomy of the issues involved in any rational discussion of PGW, please see Drilling Down ‘Climate Change’.  But then, censorship not reason is the objective of their piece attacking skeptics; Hall/Mann do not mince words –

Journalists and editorial page editors need to stop wasting ink to give a false sense of equity from “both sides of the issue.” In this time of Internet jockeys thinking that every opinion is equal regardless of their actual understanding of the issue, this matters.

Publishers and bloggers do us a disservice by not distinguishing credible opinion from absurdities, and continuing to give both equal time. We understand that it can be difficult to determine the credibility of opinions. But doing so is, in our opinion, a key responsibility of journalists today.


The skeptics are relegated to a low class of “Internet jockeys” and bloggers who are not only uneducated but have no critical thinking skills.  Therefore “a key responsibility of journalists today” is to “determine the credibility of opinions”, and cull out those of the skeptics (you definitely can't make this stuff up).  Now such a gargantuan task is to be laid on what today is one of the most intellectually stunted and agenda driven occupations whose credibility with their readership ranks down there with that of lawyers and politicians.

But lay aside that and the omission of the large body of science that details material shortcomings and errors in the work of the politically driven True Believers.  One of the more humorous observations I have of Dr Mann taking time with a small town politician to dun the skeptics in these Sierra foothills is that they lambast us as ignorant voices talking only to each other within a small and insignificant community.  If that is so, then why would a dominant figure adored by the nation’s progressives and leftwing politicians deign to waste time lending his weight to counter skeptical bloggers and readers of a newspaper with a negligibly small readership?  What’s so important about Nevada County?  If the skeptical critics in the Union (e.g. columns by Norm Sauer, Bob Hren, Gregory Goodknight, and moi) and on blogs like WUWT (Anthony Watts), Next Grand Minimum (Russ Steele), and RR are so far off base in their arguments countering PGW, then why bother?  Really?

Methinks otherwise.  I know that the mentioned blogs are read nationwide and overseas.  Today it’s easy to have Google (e.g. Google Alerts) notify you whenever someone publishes something of nominated interest to you.  Ms Hall’s participation here is clear – as a declared leftwing candidate, she is burnishing her credentials riding on the coattails of Dr Mann on an issue near and dear to progressive hearts.  But the only rationale for Mann to devote his time/name to counter these critics is that we are giving effective voice to a growing body of science/engineering that threatens to upset the Left's carefully constructed and grant/tax powered applecart on the road to Agenda21.

Finally, to put this effort by the Left to abrogate the First Amendment and silence opposition into perspective, take a read of 'Shut Up – Or We'll Shut You Down' in the 10oct15 WSJ.  To understand the draconian national initiatives the socialists are seeking against their dissenters, can you spell RICO (Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act)?  Yes, these scumbags are actually attempting to make public PGW skepticism a criminal act under RICO which would "shut down debate because it can inflict treble damages upon a defendant."  This, dear reader, is what we have been talking about in these pages for the last eight years.  And this is why the local leftwing lackies (who have also called for silencing me both in the Union and on KVMR) support the likes of Sen Elizabeth Warren in legislation to shut down institutions and blogs like this.  Their brave new world may be no more than one or two elections away.

[11oct15 update]  In these, my offerings on the workings of the liberal mind, we have again been blessed to have the participation of our most welcome spate of liberals/progressives/socialists.  And again, they come to illustrate and underline the thesis outlined and expanded in these pages over the years.  No one does it better than Mr Steven Frisch, CEO of a regional non-profit that promotes and helps implement government diktats of the collectivist genre.

Above I have focused not on the science of PGW, but how the Left continues its policy of silencing arguments counter to its agenda and belief system – here it is a general proposal of censorship by the media, in particular in our local newspaper The Union.

But let us first dispose of a few PGW-relevant points of science.  A fundamental tenet of science is that no ‘fact’ is ever known with certainty – therefore prima facie evidence of a non-scientific argument is to claim otherwise and depart further from science and state that debate on a point of science is over.  Nationally respected Professor Philip Tetlock of the Wharton School (U of Penn), who has served on numerous government boards and commissions investigating issues and events involving uncertainty, advises “it is a huge mistake to belittle belief updating”.  This echoes economist Keynes’ famous, “When the facts change, I change my mind.  What do you do, sir?”

And since the first alarums about catastrophic global warming were raised, and then augmented by assertions that proper human actions could halt it, many facts have indeed changed as non-politicized investigators (scientists, engineers, et al) have entered the fray and committed their own intellectual capital to less preordained programs of research.  As pointed out here for years, constant (Bayesian) belief updating is critical to maintaining an unbiased and correct knowledge base.

Students of the estimation and forecasting field understand that uncertainty comes in two major flavors – epistemic and aleatory.  Epistemic uncertainty bestows hope about something unknown but knowable, at least in theory.  Aleatory uncertainty is an attribute of something that is both unknown and unknowable under our current state of knowledge (i.e. including all extant theories).  Physical and computer scientists have told us for decades that our universe resists knowing the future, and the more so as we seek to extend the time horizon – this unfortunate state of reality says that predicting the vicissitudes of climate decades or a century from now is an aleatory enterprise.  And fundamental science proscribes pronouncements from such infectious hubris.

But grant-driven science hacks like Michael Mann and James Hansen are pipers playing the tune of their political benefactors.  They remind history students of the career of epigeneticist Trofim Lysenko (q.v.) the hoaky 'scientist' who ruled soviet agriculture for 30 years, and in the process destroyed it.  His client was the state (Stalin), and the rest of their scientific community dutifully fell into line.  There censorship of counter arguments was complete, as according to today's well-publicized wishes of our progressive cadres in the US who cite consensus science as the foundation of irremediable truth.  (The fact that the overwhelming fraction of the cited consensual thousands don’t understand climate as a system and deny supplying IPCC with anything more than inputs from their own narrow fields, that fact is judiciously trampled by propaganda promoting progressives – ‘nothing to see here, just move along.’) As all students of science know, that field of endeavor does not move with the horde, but through the insights of lonely pioneers vilified for the existential threats their work presents to the status quo that always has thousands of lockstep cadres defending their belief barricaded turfs.  But that is a sister issue already well-covered and in anticipation of more on the way.

Meanwhile, back at the ranch.

Most people understand ‘censor’ to mean the denial by one party/agency of another party/agency communicating an idea, facts, proposition, belief, or elements of knowledge.  Formally from Merriam-Webster (see also Gregory’s 955am) – “Censorship is the suppression of speech, public communication or other information which may be considered objectionable, harmful, sensitive, politically incorrect or inconvenient as determined by governments, media outlets, authorities or other groups or institutions.”  (apropos emphasis mine)

In America, censorship is directly addressed in our right to free speech as specified in the First Amendment.  As it applies to our public forum and the several institutions that make up our society, not all forms of censorship are illegal for the simple reason that free speech is not guaranteed for all and in all circumstances – e.g. members of the military, employees of certain government agencies and private corporations, etc.  But it most certainly is guaranteed to rank and file citizens, absent their membership in restrictive organizations, especially when they seek to communicate their beliefs and opinions on broadly impactive public policies, matters of science, history, religion, social values, mores, etc, and especially about their government.

There is a difference between beseeching public media to “ignore” certain factions and tenets, and advising private individuals to do so.  Since public media are outlets for general communications in a society, such calls by Hall and Mann for responsible journalists to ignore and “stop wasting ink” on specific topics, is simply the call for censoring such ideas from consumers of their outlets.  Mr Frisch’s attempts at counter-examples of censorship in his 636pm and 643pm give ample evidence that he agrees with this general definition when it conforms to and supports his own ideology.  I cannot cite a better exemplar of the liberal mind than Mr Frisch's 126am below, wherein he extolls the notion that he and his are privileged to incorrigible facts which then should fall upon the rest of us as ex cathedra pronouncements.  For these self-styled worthies, ‘saving ink’ in such circumstances should not be seen as censorship but instead a public service.

What Hall and Mann said was that the facts should end the debate not that censorship should end the debate. There is a big difference. You are dissembling and creating a faux issue to have a star dog to attack. It is really an act of desperation on your part gentlemen.  (emphasis mine)

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168 responses to “The Liberal Mind – Climate Skeptical Debates are Unworthy and Should be Censored (updated 11oct15)”

  1. Walt Avatar

    Yes,, Progressives hate the 1ST Amendment as much as the 2ND.
    There is a good reason Mr. “Hockey stick” picked this corner of the Boondocks.
    It has “Berkeley of the foothills”. And just what is the belief of BOTH Berkeleys?
    ” You can say anything you like, but just as long as “we”( Radical Progressives) agree with what you say”.
    Where is Jeff Akerman when we need him? The local rag in now censoring dissenting opinion?
    George R.!!! Do you have any numbers of how many LIB letters that have been “round filed”?
    It damned better be an equal number to “right” writers, if not more.( LIBS do write some crazyass shit)

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  2. Russ Avatar

    George,
    I created a link to this post in the comments section on Ms Hill’s Other Voices in The Union. You may end up with some anonymous nasty posts here, just wanted to give you a heads up to the possible source.

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  3. George Rebane Avatar

    Walt 1238pm – There is an ongoing survey of the political balance of Union columns and letters. I’ll post the results when completed.
    Russ 101pm – Thanks Russ; looking forward to it.

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  4. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Those wishing to “calibrate” Dr. Mann may wish to read Dr.Curry’s blog post on Mark Steyn’s response to Mann’s seven figure libel complaint:”A Disgrace to the Profession: The World’s Scientists – in their own words – on Michael E Mann, his Hockey Stick and their Damage to Science – Volume One”
    http://judithcurry.com/2015/08/13/mark-steyns-new-book-on-michael-mann/

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  5. Michael R. Kesti Avatar
    Michael R. Kesti

    The political balance of columns and letters printed by The Union may be of interest to some parties but I find it to be of very little import. The Union has no obligation to provide such a balance and anybody who doesn’t get what they want from them has other options. I will even go so far as to say that it could be good for our community if The Union were to favor one side as it might foster competition from another publication.

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  6. Walt Avatar

    The ECO “true believers” have been more silent than crickets on the ass woop’n the Sierra Club got on Capital Hill. Hummmm…. I wonder why? How many times can one highly paid idiot repeat the same line over and over?
    “[w]e concur with 97 percent of the scientists that believe the anthropogenic impact of mankind with regards to global warming are true.”
    That was the answer to just about every question put to Mr.Mair.
    Even (missing in action) “jon” has been silent. (even before he went MIA)
    Not a peep from the all knowing Steve of SBC! Yes,, his best bud got his ass handed to him by Ted Cruz.

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  7. George Rebane Avatar

    MichaelK 231pm – Apparently the Union’s management is interested in their own political balance – perceived and actual – since that is one of their stated operating principles. Agree with you on the potential positive impact of their taking a stand one way or another. But their readership is already low enough that a dilution with a competitor of opposite political hue might be deadly.

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  8. George Rebane Avatar

    Censorship – the Left has some pretty silly definitions of ‘censorhip’, but people like Hall, Mann, Warren leave no doubt about what they want silenced and censored. I am interested in how pervasive censorship (leftwing, but even rightwing if you can find it) is becoming in our media and on the internet. Would appreciate any reader discovered links to such examples encountered in their surfing the media and the WWW.

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  9. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    Hall is unfit to govern people with her desire to censor debate. My goodness how do these people think they can win election with that policy.

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  10. Gary Smith Avatar

    Dr. Rebane:
    The Union refused to print one of my letters in Feb. this year also. I have not submitted another since. It is a tough call for me as they are a private business and can do as they please. If I don’t like it I can quit my subscription and ignore them. But like you say, that is not the image they present. Just like this blog is under your control and you can ban anyone you want. Jeff Pelline can ban who he wants (me also) as that is his blog. I guess I could start the Sierra Smith report if I choose. I have to admit that my opinion of Ms. Hall dropped after reading her opinion piece today. Lucky for her I live in District #3 because she lost my vote.

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  11. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Just in case anyone has missed the attempt by climate scientists to use RICO against their opposition; here’s a couple of interesting links:
    http://townhall.com/columnists/walterewilliams/2015/10/07/suppressing-free-speech-n2061331/page/full
    http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2015/09/22/government-funded-scientist-wants-to-use-rico-laws-to-investigate-climate-change-skeptics/
    It takes both a certain quality and quantity of cheek to both profiteer from government grants (seven figures for part time “work” on top of an over $300k salary from George Mason U?) while calling on the Federal government to prosecute climate heretics. This will be getting worse and worse, more and more shrill, during the run up to Paris and to the Nov ’16 elections.

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  12. Bonnie McGuire Avatar

    It’s pathetic. When there’s only one opinion allowed stupidity rules. Wisdom requires many opinions to become educated in order to make wise choices. Dictators destroy this valuable means for progress. The First Amendment is so important to those who want to express their viewpoint, but wish to silence those who disagree. To show you how stupid they are….when their stupidity rules they will no longer be able to express themselves either, and if they do they’ll be hauled off to a prison camp, or mental hospital to have their thinking readjusted. You don’t think so? We watched it happen last century in Russia, China and Germany. The numbers of atrocities committed against those who may have disagreed with those in power are hundreds of millions. Russia and China were regarded as the greatest mass murderers last century. America’s Founders were very intelligent and aware regarding human nature tendencies while deciding on our Constitution and Bill of Human Rights to protect us from terrible rulers like those we witnessed last century. Why do our rulers send our soldiers all over the world to be killed fighting for freedom, while those who send them are destroying the source of our freedom here?

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  13. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Just to be clear, I remain a self-described liberal and, having cast a ballot in every federal election since April 1972, have never voted in a GOP primary since I ain’t ever been a Republican. Liberal used to mean something akin to believing in Liberty but the current crop of left-liberals do not.
    Readers of The Union should also pay attention to today’s Other Voices from an NUHS teacher extolling the virtues of Common Core mathematics, pleading for patience to let the magic work. Folks with a memory might remember the whole math debacle twenty years ago and the experience with NCTM Math then was that it never got better. Call it Phil Daro Math, since it was Mr. Daro, BA English from UC Berkeley who directed both the writing of the 1992 Mathematics Framework for California Public Schools, and was hired by that Washington DC 501c3, Achieve, Inc. to be the Chairman of the Common Core math standards effort. Daro remains a co-chair of CCSS-Mathematics and a lead author, despite having no degrees in mathematics.
    Professional educators keep repeating the same mistakes.

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  14. Walt Avatar

    Gregory.. That took some guts to say your ” liberal”. I can’t say that’s an accurate description by what you have been posting over time. It’s time to re-think your “tag”, as I did. I was in the GOP camp until I saw them to be no better than the Left.
    Thank GOD the Tea Party came to be. I now fly the “Conservative” colors.
    The GOP has turned into LIB LITE.
    Maybe sticking to the good ol’ JFK Democrat would be a better fit for ya’.
    (maybe Libertarian?)
    No Sir.. a LIBERAL you are not.

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  15. George Rebane Avatar

    re Gregory 434pm – For others who missed the RICO reference in my commentary, it contains another link expanding how the Left attempts to use every underhanded device imaginable to silence from the public forum ideas that they cannot contend on their merits. My experience is that it has been ONLY the Left that has sought and continues to seek such censorship under the government gun. If the Right has been equally guilty, would like to see the citations. But I think such queries are best handled by their crickets.
    Walt 527pm – I believe Gregory meant liberal in the classic sense – e.g. Basitat – before the socialists co-opted the label.

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  16. Walt Avatar

    Agreed George, The Commie Left have highjacked more the one “title”. They shamed the word “Democrat”, moved on to “Liberal”, when that got too bastardized, they kicked that name into the ditch, and now hide behind “Progressive”. It’s just a nicer way of saying Communist SOB. They have no love for the Bill of Rights.
    The GOP is finding out what happens when they ignore those who put them in office.
    That’s why those running for President who call themselves “Republicans” are political roadkill.
    Who is stirring the pot in the House Speaker deal? The Tea Party.
    You won’t see it reported that way, but the Tea party is FAR from dead.
    Those that have been elected by the TP are making a difference, and if Ted Cruz becomes Speaker,,, well,,, He did get elected by the Tea Party people in his district, so that means the Tea Party is not as irrelevant as the LIBS like to claim.

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  17. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    Walt, did you just say that Ted Cruz may become Speaker, when he’s running for President, as a sitting Senator?
    Best of luck! 🙂

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  18. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    Newt has my vote. And I just learned this week the Speaker does not have to be a elected person!

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  19. Walt Avatar

    Well well… Look what the cat dragged in.. It would do you well to pay attention to the news “jonnie”.

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  20. Steven Frisch Avatar
    Steven Frisch

    First, nowhere in The Union column did either Ms. Hall or Mr. Mann call for banning or censoring opinions that do not support a skeptical view of anthropogenic climate change; they called for editors to represent the reality of how the actual scientific community views climate change.
    But are we seriously looking for examples of proposed censorship by conservatives?
    “My experience is that it has been ONLY the Left that has sought and continues to seek such censorship under the government gun. If the Right has been equally guilty, would like to see the citations. But I think such queries are best handled by their crickets.”—George Rebane
    Well, where do we start? How about with:
    1. Florida Governor Rick Scott’s prohibition on the use of the words “climate change” by state agencies.
    http://www.miamiherald.com/news/state/florida/article12983720.html
    2. The conservative Alliance Defending Freedom getting a school board in Arizona to remove pages from an honors high school biology textbook that ADF contends don’t show “an affirmative preference to childbirth and adoption as options to abortion” in describing various forms of contraception.
    http://www.azcentral.com/story/brahm-resnik/2014/10/29/12news-gilbert-school-board-remove-page-biology-book-abortion/18126635/
    3. Or One Million Moms, a front group for the American Family Association, working to get Pulitzer and Nobel prize winning author Toni Morrison’ s The Bluest Eye banned from schools.
    http://www.dailycamera.com/broomfield-news/ci_23688502/place-bluest-eye-legacy-high-classrooms-subject-debate
    4. How about the Family Research Council seeking to rescind student’s library privacy rights? Here is a direct quote from Tony Perkins,
    “In the library, what kids are really checking out is a new ideology. Hello, I’m Tony Perkins of the Family Research Council in Washington, D.C. School libraries are one place where liberalism has a long shelf life. For years, the American Library Association’s been funneling inappropriate material to kids. And stopping them just got a whole lot harder. The Left wing’s favorite billionaire, George Soros, is giving the ALA a half-million dollars a year to develop a “privacy curriculum” that teaches kids how to “bust through censor walls,” “encrypt their communication,” and “override filters.” Even worse, librarians are told “to inform students that their book circulation data will never be shared with anyone, including their parents.” Groups like Parents Against Bad Books in Schools are fighting back, but they need your help. “If enough parents become aware of how many objectionable books there are in [circulation] and work together in constantly challenging them, things can improve considerably,” said a spokesman. Otherwise, what libraries will be lending isn’t books–but a helping hand to the Left.”
    5. Or conservative New York State Senator Andrew Lanza seeking to censor art at the Brooklyn Museum by first participating in a press campaign along with Catholic League President Bill Donohue to pressure the museum to remove it’s exhibit titled “Hide/Seek” then introducing legislation to defund the museum?
    http://www.nysenate.gov/press-release/senator-lanza-bashes-brooklyn-museum-intolerant-hateful-exhibit-calls-resignation-muse
    I could go on…and on…and on but I am not sure what the point would be.

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  21. Steven Frisch Avatar
    Steven Frisch

    Then again there is this list of banned or frequently challenged books from the American Library Association:
    1. The Great Gatsby, by F. Scott Fitzgerald
    2. The Catcher in the Rye, by J.D. Salinger
    3. The Grapes of Wrath, by John Steinbeck
    4. To Kill a Mockingbird, by Harper Lee
    5. The Color Purple, by Alice Walker
    6. Ulysses, by James Joyce
    7. Beloved, by Toni Morrison
    8. The Lord of the Flies, by William Golding
    9. 1984, by George Orwell
    11. Lolita, by Vladmir Nabokov
    12. Of Mice and Men, by John Steinbeck
    15. Catch-22, by Joseph Heller
    16. Brave New World, by Aldous Huxley
    17. Animal Farm, by George Orwell
    18. The Sun Also Rises, by Ernest Hemingway
    19. As I Lay Dying, by William Faulkner
    20. A Farewell to Arms, by Ernest Hemingway
    23. Their Eyes Were Watching God, by Zora Neale Hurston
    24. Invisible Man, by Ralph Ellison
    25. Song of Solomon, by Toni Morrison
    26. Gone with the Wind, by Margaret Mitchell
    27. Native Son, by Richard Wright
    28. One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest, by Ken Kesey
    29. Slaughterhouse-Five, by Kurt Vonnegut
    30. For Whom the Bell Tolls, by Ernest Hemingway
    33. The Call of the Wild, by Jack London
    36. Go Tell it on the Mountain, by James Baldwin
    38. All the King’s Men, by Robert Penn Warren
    40. The Lord of the Rings, by J.R.R. Tolkien
    45. The Jungle, by Upton Sinclair
    48. Lady Chatterley’s Lover, by D.H. Lawrence
    49. A Clockwork Orange, by Anthony Burgess
    50. The Awakening, by Kate Chopin
    53. In Cold Blood, by Truman Capote
    55. The Satanic Verses, by Salman Rushdie
    57. Sophie’s Choice, by William Styron
    64. Sons and Lovers, by D.H. Lawrence
    66. Cat’s Cradle, by Kurt Vonnegut
    67. A Separate Peace, by John Knowles
    73. Naked Lunch, by William S. Burroughs
    74. Brideshead Revisited, by Evelyn Waugh
    75. Women in Love, by D.H. Lawrence
    80. The Naked and the Dead, by Norman Mailer
    84. Tropic of Cancer, by Henry Miller
    88. An American Tragedy, by Theodore Dreiser
    97. Rabbit, Run, by John Updike
    I am amazed that there are only 3 that I have not read 🙂

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  22. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Walt, just because democratic socialists started using Liberal because they were afraid to sell themselves as socialists doesn’t mean they own the term. Classic liberal is libertarian, and vice versa. I remain pro choice on everything.
    I salute Bernie S. for proudly wearing the proper label.

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  23. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    Walt, I just wished you well with Ted Cruz. Now the tough part- finding 218 lunatics in the House who would vote for him as Speaker 🙂 LOL!
    Best of luck rounding up the votes for Cruz!

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  24. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    Honestly is everyone as sick of the copy/paste of Frisch? I don’t read his tripe anymore. Makes no sense to rational people.

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  25. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    I take it you god fearing Americans aren’t watching the massive US vs. Mexico soccer game on right now… Univision has great coverage.
    Tied 1-1. Go USA!

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  26. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Jon | 10 October 2015 at 07:25 PM
    I take it you god fearing Americans aren’t watching the massive US vs. Mexico soccer game on right now… Univision has great coverage. Tied 1-1. Go USA!

    I only have room in my heart for one boring sport……Mets 2 – Dodgers1 going into the 5th.
    Go Mets!

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  27. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Steve F @ 6:43.
    You are not kidding, sadly. #’s 1, 2, 4, 8, 12, 17, 28, 33, & 45 were required reading when I was a pupil. I read In Cold Blood and some more just for kicks. Oh, Huck Finn and Tom Sawyer was a lot better than The Last of the Mohicans and Moby’s Dick, also required reading in 6th or 7th grade. Catcher in the Rye banned or contested? Well, they banned Confessions of a Window Washer and also Do It!! by Jerry Rubuen at the local library, but Lord of the Flies and Animal Farm had all of us kids buzzing in the hallways excited about them. We loved the drunk pigs in Animal Farm. Poor horseys.
    I once posted a picture here of Forest Gump with the caption “Then one day for no particular reason, everybody became offended”. How appropriate..

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  28. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    I have a copy of A Clockwork Orange autographed by Anthony Burgess hisself. Considering how much I hated asking for autographs and how.much he hated the book and giving autographs, I had to ask. Sure got a dirty look with the stone cold silence… time and place was the lecture hall at Harvey Mudd circa 1974.

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  29. Walt Avatar

    LOL Frish,
    “We believe that Dr. Michael Mann’s opinion piece in The Union on Sept. 22 should have been the end of the opinion wars in our local news on the internationally debated topic about whether or not climate change exists.”
    key words “should have been the end of the opinion wars in our local news”
    In other words,, ” We say so, so shut up. The debate is over.”
    Still not a word from you on the spanking your buddy got the runs the Sierra Club, on Capital Hill. He come down with tourettes?
    The AGW BS sure has been debunked in SO many ways. But keep spouting off with doctored data.

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  30. Russ Avatar

    Stephen@06:36PM
    You have proven yourself to be a “dog whistle” expert, I am surprised that you did not see the dog whistle in this statement.
    “. . . they called for editors to represent the reality of how the actual scientific community views climate change.”
    For the left there is only one reality, humans cause global warming. The actual scientific community does not support AGW. They agree that the earth is warming, but refuse to blame humans for the past increase, which has paused for the last 18 years. Not the reality that Hill and Mann were calling for.

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  31. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Gregory, A Clockwork Orange rocked my world. Exposed the new “lib” feel good treatment of one messed up London holligan. He sure kicked the homeless in their heads with style and on cue. And The Last Tango in Paris had everybody running out to buy butter.
    Good news is after all these years of progressives telling us to dump butter cause it’s bad and switch to Chaffen, now they are saying get back on butter cause margarine will kill ya. Oh, give me and eggs a break! Now we are told Wednesday that whole milk is king and forget 1 and 2% milk. What goes around comes around.
    Guess the above had more to do with the Liberal Wasteland than Climate Change. Skim milk is now censored ( to faintly look like I am on topic.
    Visual aid of the liberal melon abyss from whence they think up stuff only they feel is brilliant.
    https://www.facebook.com/angryamericanpatriots/photos/pb.492037610911691.-2207520000.1444532503./831512816964167/?type=3&theater

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  32. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    The ‘jon’ interestingly differentiates himself from God fearing Americans once again. How well did that merry jane pot store work out for you guys? The absence of rebuttal is confirmation of what it is. ROFLOL

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  33. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Well, you could see this coming. Battle of the entitled is getting ugly where the rubber meets the road. The liberals aren’t bad people, they just have this sense of entitlement and a bit too much nasty arrogance and lack of manners.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/11/science/in-california-electric-cars-outpace-plugs-and-sparks-fly.html?_r=0

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  34. fish Avatar
    fish

    HHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHhahahahahaha…….hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha…….deep cleansing breath……Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah!

    “We can see this in the opening speeches, viewable online and described by Laframboise as ‘among the most terrifying 90 minutes I’ve ever witnessed’. If you’ve the stomach to sit through the faux-judicious burblings, you’ll see what she means: here are leading, influential, international lawyers proposing to reject the scientific method, bypass democracy and permanently shut down the climate debate by declaring ‘global warming’ illegal under international law.
    We can see this in the opening speeches, viewable online and described by Laframboise as ‘among the most terrifying 90 minutes I’ve ever witnessed’. If you’ve the stomach to sit through the faux-judicious burblings, you’ll see what she means: here are leading, influential, international lawyers proposing to reject the scientific method, bypass democracy and permanently shut down the climate debate by declaring ‘global warming’ illegal under international law.”

    But they do these things out of love…….
    http://new.spectator.co.uk/2015/10/a-supreme-court-justice-and-the-scary-plan-to-outlaw-climate-change/

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  35. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    Hey Don, you’re exactly right- I don’t fear god. Hey Donnie, who is “you guys”?
    Unfortunately we lost to Mexico tonight…great game, bad ending for the USA.

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  36. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    American Futball tomorrow. The liberal mind and censorship. Gov Brown just banned concealed weapons from campuses. Good grief. He just guareented more sitting ducks and created another law a murderer will break. We all know that the first few seconds are the most critical to stop a terrorist attack by the wack jobs, aka, what happened on a train in France. Seconds matter to stop a murderous rampage, so Jerry just took those seconds away. Censor the guns, nothing to see here, right?
    It gay marriage is legal in all 50 states, then my Concealed Carry should be legal in all 50 states. No one ever raped a 38, but some have met disapproval for doing 38 in a 45 zone.

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  37. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    CCC from the ‘jon’ again.

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  38. George Rebane Avatar

    StevenF 636pm – How are any of your citations examples of ‘censorship’ with respect to the First Amendment? If the two quoted paragraphs from the Union are not a clear call for such journalistic censorship to you, then your cynicism is beyond measure. To that I add the WSJ article whose citations are also a matter of public record. I don’t think there is much people like you have to discuss with people like me.
    And all the books you cite are freely available from all libraries; how do you then ascribe them to be banned by the Right?

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  39. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    Stossel is doing a hour on censorship. I saw a few minutes. It runs again tomorrow I think. He was talking about Mann, Frisch and the rest of the fascists.
    Americans watch American football and baseball. Soccer is for pus****.

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  40. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    Wow, bad news for the neanderthal crowd in CA in the last few days with Governor Brown’s mighty pen doing its thing. I do admit that CA is a right wing nightmare these days.
    The incessant whining from the right to continue, ad nauseam.

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  41. Steven Frisch Avatar
    Steven Frisch

    What Hall and Mann said was that the facts should end the debate not that censorship should end the debate. There is a big difference. You are dissembling and creating a faux issue to have a star dog to attack. It is really an act of desperation on your part gentlemen.

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  42. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    Read it again. You comprehensive levels are off by 12 grades. And of course we all know why you support this.

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  43. MikeL Avatar
    MikeL

    Steve r u dumb? A number of true believing so called scientists in the CAGW bull S sent a letter to president O, AG Lynch and OSTP Holdren asking that those non believers who get all mouthy and question the CAGW nonsense be procecuted using RICO statutes. Hello earth to Steve….are you there?

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  44. Steven Frisch Avatar
    Steven Frisch

    Posted by: MikeL | 11 October 2015 at 06:55 AM
    The fact remains that is not what either Ms. Hall or Mr. Mann did in their editorial. They called for reasonable people to recognize that the overwhelming majority of scientists working in the field acknowledge that AGW is occurring and that it is an issue we must deal with. Russ Steele’s denial notwithstanding this are the facts. Every major scientific institution and association in the country agrees. Almost every highly regarded climate scientist agrees and people can see the evidence with their own eyes.
    I am a little surprised however that Michael Mann would engage our local deniers quite so directly in a local paper. In reality it just gives some credence to the views of those who would deny the sunrise coming at 5 am saying I’ll believe it when I see it.

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  45. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    No deniers here on “climate change”. Happens minute by minute. There are however the “true believer fascists” like Steve Frisch carrying the water for the shyster Mann and now his lackey Hall.

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  46. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    Steve, how was your sunrise this morning over in Truckee?- I imaging breathtaking…

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  47. Steven Frisch Avatar
    Steven Frisch

    Posted by: Todd Juvinall | 11 October 2015 at 07:15 AM
    You need to actually read the book The True Believer by Eric Hoffer Todd. But then you don;t really read much do you?
    Offer’s main contention is that you could look at almost any mass movement, be it communism, fascism, nationalism, or religious revivalism and one would find the same type of person. They are motivated by fear, they are prone to irrational arguments, they are conspiracy theorists who blame others for their own condition, they are the discontented, they believe that ‘others’ have created their condition, they blame society for their woes, and at their cores they are weak people. The allow their identities to be subsumed by the whole, the movement, they identify with a set of issues that elevates their beliefs collectively where they can’t individually, and in doing so the are no longer ‘individualists’ but became cogs in the movement. They believe their mass movement will free them from their alienation from society, and in that belief, give the power over life and death to totalitarian leaders.
    This more accurately describes the obstructionist, Tea Party, Agenda 21 theorist, Jade Helm fearing, State of Jefferson blabbering, blood soaked 2nd amendment clinging, evolution denying, anti-government, Constitutionalist, ‘conservatarian’, laissez-faire fantasy land promoting culture warriors on the right than almost any group in American history.

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  48. Steven Frisch Avatar
    Steven Frisch

    The similarity between talking with Todd and the “I know you are but what am I?” scene in Pee-Wee’s Big Adventure is stunning.

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  49. Steven Frisch Avatar
    Steven Frisch

    Posted by: Jon | 11 October 2015 at 07:42 AM
    I was stunned this morning when the sun rose Jon because in my heart I think every day is another step in ‘the last great century of man’ instead of the beginning of the road to the next great century of man.
    ( There are some lessor minds here who do not recognize sarcasm so for the record, that is sarcasm.)

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  50. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    Come on, I know you were imagining what the sunrise in Truckee will be like on the first official day of Jefferson…:)

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