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Politics is the gentle art of getting votes from the poor and campaign funds from the rich by promising to protect each from the other.  Oscar Ameringer

George Rebane

‘Black Lives Matter – but Reality, Not So Much’.  National columnist and keen observer of the social scene Jason Riley agrees with RR’s long-held position on the unmitigated crap that the liberals have been handing out to the black community about how valuable such lives are.  A look at the progressive programs over the last 40 years paints another picture.  Only the local loonies are unclear on the concept.

Our Designated Reader reports that the FUE continues to burnish his journalistic credentials claiming that The Union is biased 3-1 against AGW reporting.  The fact is that, starting with the 29aug15 Newsom column, the newspaper published two additional pro-AGW columns in quick succession – 5sep15 by Barbara Rivenes, 7sep15 by Edlin Patterson.  This left the score 3-1 against the skeptics of which Bob Hren’s 5sep15 piece was the only rebuttal until Russ Steele’s letter and my 8sep15 Other Voices joined Bob’s article.  Now with Todd Juvinall’s letter, the score is 3 pro-AGW columns vs 2 skeptic columns and 2 skeptic letters.  That seems pretty even-handed to me.  But don’t expect any change from the Lamestream Liar.

A sandbox commenter posts some words attributed to reader Mr Steven Frisch that so clearly illustrate the Left’s use of the Saul Alinsky paradigm – accuse the other of exactly what you are doing.  In the skeptics’ blogs (including RR) the ‘science’ behind the AGW hysteria is dissected and countered in detail.   And on the True Believer blogs all you find are ad hominems against those who present evidence of fraud and error in the disseminated and swallowed consensus science.  So what’s a Leftie to do in such a case?  Why, just accuse them of what you do.

The Cato Institute just published a massive comparative study of the EU’s welfare systems.  No country advertises that its welfare and entitlement programs range between the dysfunctional and the unsustainable (America’s leftwing lemmings lap up these lies by omission while continuing to worship at the altar of European socialism.)  The bottom line is still that, led by Denmark, all the EU welfare programs make weaning recipients next to impossible by the implicit marginal tax rates they impose on people exiting the program for a job.  And today all EU member states are scrambling to find ways to cut back their entitlement and welfare disbursements without bloodletting in the streets by Europeans who have grown quite comfortable with the status quo.  Cato compares their folly to ours, and it ain’t pretty.  You should at least read the Exec Summary of ‘The Work Versus Welfare Trade-off: Europe’.

The EUs Muslim migrant onslaught continues unexamined.  We’ve recently discussed its other details under my recent KVMR commentary, ‘The Great Cultural Divides of 2016’, but here is an additional thought that occurred to me.  It is remarkable how rapidly the globalists can embed the 'right to ubiquitous movement and residence' into a population that has for its entire existence lived under strict authoritarian rule where no such rights previously existed.  We see videos of Syrians, who have passed through lands where their life and limb are not threatened, demand to continue their progress toward more safe and salubrious destinations, there to start new lives.  They give no thought to the rights of the people through whose countries they tramp, or in whose lands they will plant their divergent and dysfunctional cultures.  And the west’s governments (including ours) are so riddled with globalists that there is no chance that the question of such assumed rights will be raised.  If someone from a failed state declares himself a refugee, then today he has an automatic worldwide right to your work and wallet.  And our addled leaderships continue to be surprised by reports that such insane welcoming policies and de facto recognition of migrants' right to transnational migration are motivating additional hundreds of thousands to begin their journeys northward.  When did territorial sanity and sovereignty die?

[11sep15 update]  I just put down the phone with Supervisor Nate Beason.  Now that Ms Heidi Hall has announced her candidacy for District #1 supervisor, I wanted to reinforce my previously stated intention to support Nate were he to run again.  On this call I urged him to go for his fourth term, and told him that Jo Ann and I are in his corner should he decide to run.  In talking to many people of my persuasion, I have not run into anyone who would not support Nate Beason in a race against our new socialist-in-waiting Ms Hall.  The last thing we need in these foothills is another leftwing lackey to launch their political career promoting Sacramento's internationally recognized insanity in Nevada County.  Nate said that the Beasons will announce their decision in the next week or so, and the phone call left me hopeful.

[13sep15 update]  Ferguson was a total lie from beginning to end – "Hands up, don't shoot!" was bullshit, and the 'protesters' were thugs hired and imported.  They were hired by MORE, the successor outfit to Missouri's ACORN, now bankrupt.  But then MORE stiffed the 'protesters' who are picketing to get their checks.  Another hard left organization MAU is urging MORE to pay up since the thugs did what they were contracted to do.  The full story is reported by NEWSMAX here.  At every turn the Left lets us know that they are not only stupid, but also just plain evil.  (H/T to reader)

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  1. fish Avatar
    fish

    “The EUs Muslim migrant onslaught continues unexamined.”
    Europe as we have known it is doomed.

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  2. fish Avatar
    fish

    Our Designated Reader reports that the FUE continues to burnish his journalistic credentials claiming that The Union is biased 3-1 against AGW reporting.
    I’ve decided that it’s time to start going easy on the FUE. After all he claims to be a fan….a big fan….of “Science™”.
    As recent studies demonstrate:

    Being obese or overweight in middle age ‘speeds up the onset of Alzheimer’s in later life’
    For every extra unit in BMI at the age of 50, a person developed Alzheimer’s on average 6.5 months earlier, scientists discovered

    Based on these projections nothing that the FUE does can be held against him any longer. In fact he probably should have been in some sort of assisted living arrangement years ago.
    Because science.
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-3218265/Being-obese-overweight-middle-age-speeds-onset-Alzheimer-s-later-life.html

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  3. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Maybe we should look at all this migration from a different point of view. I all those third world people want to get to Europe, I say fine. They will then displace the Europeans and force them south where all the warmth a great beaches exist. They can take all their money and stuff and live a great life. So there you go. “Trading Places” in real life!
    Regarding AGW and the FUE. He is really a third rate writer anyway and he has no followers except for a couple of like minded lemmings. He is no threat and no one of substance would ever have him over for dinner. He is a mean spirited liberal loon and along with his obese Truckee psychopath, a very lonely man.

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  4. Bill Toz Avatar
    Bill Toz

    This is called a crisis over in New Europe. The EU is calling for member countries to make room for 270,000.(NYT this am) Hmmm. What, expecting 4 million? No room at the inn. Most go to Turkey, Lebanon, Jordan.
    Not surprising, right now the Denmark-Germany rail crossing is closed at the border. Germany already made room for 800,000 immigrants this year before “the crisis”. Not surprising because Denmark just passed tough new immigration laws and is the stingiest nation in Europe for prying open the gates a few inches wider. Deport without reason in the first 6 months clause, no social service clauses, that kind of stuff one’s does when enough is enough. Note to refugees: Try Sweden. It has a very pleasant Mediterranean climate.
    There are about 11 million undocumented immigrants wandering around Europe right now. Some came from the “Balkin Crisis”, the lion’s share from down below the French Riveria.
    The U.S. Has about 11 million undocumented folk wandering around the hills and dales. When can we call this a “crisis”?
    To address Dr. Rebane’s point, yeah I am taken back by the refugees presumption that sovereign states are there to be theirs and “this land is my land”. Pushy, pushy. They feel superior. Guess that makes them racists or Muslims. Take your pick.

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  5. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    OK, I was told the left wing democrat extremist Jim Firth wrote a letter to the Editor claiming I was a right wing extremist and all was well at the LaMalfa meeting, thereby rebutting my letter today. You just can’t make this stuff up. Firth did tell LaMalfa at the meeting that he agreed with Doug about biomass, but then said he disagreed on everything else LaMalfa said and believes. I was sitting two seats behind Firth. I never saw him before and maybe that was a good thing. Firth of course runs the extremist democrats here and was the office manager and advisor to the California Senator Yee, the anti-gun Senator who was arrested for selling guns! Also, Firth opposed the ATT Park (as a union boss) which houses the Giants. The man is a nut! But that is just a widespread malady for local democrats. If Firth didn’t exist we would have to make him up. What a hoot!

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  6. Bill Toz Avatar
    Bill Toz

    Oh my, Todd, I think Mr. Firth just lost your vote if he ever runs for some elected job in your neck of the woods. Maybe if future circumstances permit, I will vote for Jim just to add one more thing to your pile of dishes this new day. :).
    Think the Donald lost Black Lives Matters’ vote today as well. That will really sink him, right? He lost the black vote for the Republicans for the next 50 years, right? Something about them being dangerous. That should get him off flatline and garner him a point in the up direction. Don’t think killing unengaged cops on purpose was part of Dr. Martin Luther, Jr.’s dream. I could be mistaken. Hey, kinda on topic, no?

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  7. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    iirc Frisch revealed his science chops when he tipped his hand here a few months ago over how he’d wipe the floor with his Favorite ‘denier’… it was a five year old video of a clueless activist outlining how ‘deniers’ got the pause wrong… by not properly choosing the start and end points. Clueless, with no evidence of any knowledge of the physical sciences or the basis for the claims of “the Pause”.
    I expect Steve, our own CalState Frisco political “scientist” also never took any significant math, physics or chemistry and so anything the IPCC senior team claims, he just takes it as gospel. For that matter, Pelline, with degrees in Rhetoric and Journalism, has stated that he did take a semester of single variable calculus at Berkeley which puts him about where a Math & Science bound NUHS graduate has when they arrive at their chosen Ivory Tower to begin a math-intensive major like chemistry, engineering or physics.
    Then there’s the problem among the Dunning-Krugeroid warmistas of being so incompetent they can’t even identify those who are competent. I recall a stranger interrupting a conversation I was having with a friend over the Climategate affair in the immediate aftermath of the email release offering to to give me instruction of the actual science involved. Let me paste my account at the time:
    “Here’s a story that’s apropos. First, some background; I’ve a BS Physics from a college that included two semesters of physics (major track classes), three semesters of chemistry (also major track, including one physical chemistry) and systems engineering as general ed requirements; and also an MSEE that today would probably be deemed an MS Computer Engineering.
    One morning late last November, I found myself chatting on the subject of the breaking Climategate news over morning coffee with a friend of mine at a local cafe’. A woman sitting at another table whom I had never met broke into the conversation offering, when and if we decided to seek understanding, instruction on the science involved. She didn’t have the common courtesy of introducing herself.
    I asked what her qualifications were…
    ‘I have a Ph.D. from Harvard’.
    This was about 30 seconds after we sort of met, I didn’t know her name nor did she know mine.
    I asked what subject…
    ‘Biology’
    That doesn’t sound very applicable to climate science…
    ‘I know how science works and I can judge who to believe’
    She was also as condescending as I can ever recall ever being witness to.
    I then let her know my educational background and got a delightful ‘deer-in-the-headlights’ gobsmacked stare back. I then tried to engage her in a discussion of the science involved, and it was clear she did not have much understanding of any of the physical sciences. I’m particularly impressed by the 2003 Shaviv & Veizer “Celestial driver” paper; the Solanki letter to Nature in 2004 on “Unusual activity of the sun”; Svensmark’s works including the Cosmoclimatology paper, the SKY experiment and the Forbush event paper of last Fall; and the CERN colloquium given by Dr. Kirkby a year ago. I gave her an outline of why I believe the theories I’ve found to be compelling, but she was not willing to talk about any of it. In fact, she had to leave. Had no time at all, but challenged me to a $1 bet to back up what I had claimed. And she left.
    My friend did know who she was, and when I got home, I googled her and found her blog. Perhaps an hour after she walked away from the conversation that she had no time to continue, she had posted 500 words about climate cranks and that the best way to handle them is to challenge them to a $1 bet to prove it, and walk away with the knowledge that they’ll never be able to do it. She also observed that climate cranks tend to be working class guys, and guys with physics or engineering degrees, which was a pretty good description of the folks she had offered to give climate science instruction to just minutes earlier.
    In short, she told a fib to get away rather than to discuss the climate science she claims to be so passionate about, not exactly intellectually honest, or honest in any way. The next day I had a stack of the above papers to give to her and to discuss; it took a couple days for her to return, but faced with the papers, all from respected journals, she was entirely uninterested in actually learning something about atmospheric physics and walked out rather than continue a conversation that was obviously not going to end in her favor. She wouldn’t take the papers.”

    This is the very person who Jeff Pelline has, multiple times, identified as the local who is the go-to expert in global warming in western Nevada County.
    The geneticist in question, a woman who is no stranger to harassing locals and distants (including Anthony Watts and the esteemed Dr. Judith Curry) later admitted to me that she could not remember ever taking any physics, going back to high school. Let’s just say that it shows. She should have seen the classic introductory chemistry lecture demonstrating the classic physical chemistry experiment that was used to; perhaps the chemistry appreciation class life scientists (biologists and premeds alike) take at Cal was light on 19th century physical chemistry.
    When I finally gave her a go-ahead to record a conversation with me, it also came with one question of mine. “Anna, what is temperature?” and Jeff’s designated climate scientist had to admit she didn’t know besides that they were represented by numbers on a thermometer.
    Which is a bigger Dunning-Kruger sufferer… the self-declared global warming autodidact who never took physics or even a solid chemistry class, and had no clue what “temperature” was, or the empty rhetoricians and political “scientists” who choose her as their designated local expert?

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  8. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Ice growing huge in the arctic. Maps here. Maybe Frisch should travel there and see that his “science” is phony-baloney.
    https://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2015/09/09/arctic-has-gained-hundreds-of-miles-of-ice-the-last-three-years/

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  9. Steven Frisch Avatar
    Steven Frisch

    Well clearly having a PhD does not make anyone any less full of shit if they start with belief rather than study.
    What I do know is that I could wipe the floor with you in any debate over the science and policy behind climate change Greg, but you are too much of a coward to take me up the offer.
    You and Todd are two peas in a pod in reality..Todd is a garden variety pea and you may be a slightly more sophisticated pea…but peas all the same.

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  10. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Hey, I am a cucumber. Get it right putz! LOL!
    Greg would clean your clock Frisch, you are an ideologue and a true believer in your religion. Greg is a scientific type fellow.

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  11. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Steven Frisch | 09 September 2015 at 02:57 PM
    I like coming at this from an entirely different direction……..you guys (Pachauri, Mann, CRU et al) only have about 5 trillion a year worth of reasons to support your position.
    But I’m sure that you only hold the noblest of intentions.

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  12. Michael R. Kesti Avatar
    Michael R. Kesti

    Todd Juvinall 09Sep15 03:01 PM
    A debate would determine whether you are correct, Todd, but I harbor little hope that, despite Steven’s willingness, Gregory (and, even less, you) will ever agree to participate.
    I’d gladly pay $10 to be admitted to such a debate.

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  13. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    “Oooooh! That’s a Bingo!”
    Sure didn’t take long to flush Frisch out into the open.
    Steve, just what chemistry did you take at Cal State ‘Frisco? Math? Physics?
    Dunning-Kruger incarnate.

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  14. George Rebane Avatar

    Ever since Mr Frisch started challenging local people to a debate, I have wondered what format the exchanges would take. Unless he has been hiding his bona fides from us, all that Mr Frisch can do is state an assertion and cite one or more papers or people in its support. If his skeptical counterpart is properly credentialed and informed, the response/refutation would entail specifics with equivalent citations which neither Mr Frisch nor most members of the audience would be able to understand.
    Unable to reply in kind, the affair would then quickly turn into Mr Frisch denigrating the cited source by some means including counting the number of papers in support of this or that (the consensus ploy). In short, it would quickly jump from how good of a baby the skeptic could make into a simple dick measuring exercise. And the audience would be none the wiser about the merits of the exchange. It might even turn into vaudeville.
    On the national scale I’m not aware of any credentialed pro-AGW advocates who have picked up the gauntlet for a public debate with an appropriately qualified skeptic. The reason(s), for those of us technically qualified, are easy to understand. However, if there is such a challenge outstanding, someone please tell us.
    BTW, I was smiling at a supposed reference by a local know-nothing that we skeptics are ‘flat-earthers’. Little does he know that historically it is the consensus scientists who have always been the flat-earthers, including actually believing in a Ptolemaic flat earth during the Renaissance.

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  15. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Todd
    If you even tried to a little bit to check your sources you would find that Stephen Goddard doesn’t exist. He is indeed a “troll” for Tony Heller, widely discredited blogger who won’t even use his real name. You can do better than quote this crap from a source that won’t even use his real name.
    from Media Matters:
    “However, the libertarian magazine Reason noted that even climate “skeptic” blogger Anthony Watts said that Goddard made “major errors in his analysis” and criticized the implication that “numbers are being plucked out of thin air in a nefarious way. I profiled Anthony a few years back for his own craziness in regard to alleged plots to distort the temp records.
    Can we all agree that, if your denialist nuttery is such that even Anthony Watts can’t back you – you, my friend, are a denialist nut.”

    http://mediamatters.org/blog/2014/06/24/fox-news-cites-birther-to-claim-nasa-faked-glob/199871

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  16. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Maybe Kesti could get Al Gore to debate? Oh, that’s right, he has avoided every single request. I debated these slugs many times. I won some and I lost some. What I learned about the Frisch typrs is they lie and obfuscate. I once debated the regional BLM chief about a ACEC on the ridge he was pushing. I read the book he wrote and swore too for the BLM that forbade the very thing he was trying to do. He denied it and said I was making it up! These slimes on the left have no ethics. GeorgeR’s above comments are correct. Kesti is goofy as usual. But Kesti, you would be unarmed in a debate even with the Frisch.

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  17. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Paul Emery | 09 September 2015 at 04:02 PM
    So what if he uses a moniker, Mark Twain was Samuel Clemens. If you want to agrue the science than fine. But as we see you don’t so there must be something to his research eh Paul Emery? Also, how can he be a troll when it is his website and he is identified? Jeeze, are you that duncey?

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  18. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    I have every expectation that Frisch dreamed up his one sided format because he knew no sentient being would stand for what he wanted.
    Here’s a format that might work… first get two participants on each side without any formal credibility in any line of science. All locals. Frisch and Ben Emery, or Ms. Senum, vs. Russ S (while his academics are on the science lite liberal arts side, he’s done yeoman’s work in the siting survey which was real science field work, and he appreciates the science with his head on straight) with another volunteer from the right of center political science side. Give them the better part of an hour in an Oxford style debate.
    I’d be happy to participate in a science side of the fence for a second hour but only if I can clearly state I have never self identified as a conservative, remaining a left-libertarian since Ed Clark ran for President with David Koch as VP and I adopted Libtertarian low tax liberalism as my own. While I think the ‘transfer function’ orientation is not the best, George R does have poise and knowledge and I’d be happy to stand with him. Perhaps Anna you-know-who has boned up enough to live up to her reputation among the Warmista set here and would take up the cause on stage as the lead on the lefty side. Perhaps joined by Al Stahler who, while another biology type, might be a decent fit. Or maybe Bill Newsom. However, if you can find at least one warmist who has a solid physical science background, that would be better.
    I’d also suggest a more neutral and educational venue than what Frisch was dreaming of in his little fantasy mudfest fight… let’s say Nevada Union high school, including one moderator/questioner each from the AP Physics and AP Chemistry faculty, past or present.
    End with a three minute summation from each.

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  19. George Boardman Avatar

    You would think that somebody with degrees to rhetoric and journalism would be more judicious in attacking the credentials of somebody with a doctorate, but then Jeffy is the master of all he surveys. He is one of those rare individuals who can strut while seated.
    Hell, he doesn’t even know the definition of socialism. He accused me of being a socialist because I suggested in my column that the south county is a bad place to relocate the poor, and that we should consolidate all of our small fire departments.
    You would think somebody who spent four years in the Peoples Republic of Berkeley would know what the word means.

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  20. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    I mean he’s even discredited by Antony Watts, a major skeptic of climate change . Jeez Todd, you have no standards. Even I know who that is.

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  21. Steven Frisch Avatar
    Steven Frisch

    Posted by: George Rebane | 09 September 2015 at 03:56 PM
    I laid the rules out here once George…International Public Debate team rules would be preferred or Oxford rules would be fine by me…statements of fact just have to be sourced.
    But see you guys will never do it because of the need to source your statements and provide a formal proof of your logic.

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  22. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    George, they pro-AGW crowd at this debate eight years ago have avoided getting catcalls again (Gavin Schmidt got a real Bronx Cheer when he suggested the Manhattan audience that started off agreeing with him just didn’t understand the arguments). but the IntellegenceSquared debate on the question “Global Warming is not a crisis”) is the model for what I’m suggesting. The pro side was Michael Crichton, Richard Lindzen and Philip Stott. Offhand, I don’t remember who stood with Schmidt who has since been promoted to Big Kahuna at NASA-GISS.

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  23. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Steven Frisch | 09 September 2015 at 04:28 PM
    But see you guys will never do it because of the need to source your statements and provide a formal proof of your logic.

    Oh I don’t know….sounds like we’re negotiating on format. This isn’t the SBC….you don’t “lay out the rules”. You made your proposal let’s see who picks up the gauntlet.

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  24. Steven Frisch Avatar
    Steven Frisch

    I hate to say this but Intelligence Squared, which I enjoy, is not a true Oxford Style Debate because it does not require participants to direct source their material. No debate is a ‘real’ debate if sources used are not cited and held up to scrutiny. Thus people here can cite Heartland Institute opinion excess as ‘proof’. That’ snot proof it is an echo chamber.

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  25. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Paul Emery | 09 September 2015 at 04:23 PM
    Give me the link to Watts siss and I’ll go check it. However, I discuss AGW as a political activity not one of science. I let the pointy heads like Frisch and Gregory do the science. Maybe Hren could also debate but he would make a fool of Frisch on the science.
    GeorgeB, the portly one does not know the definition of socialism? And he has a degree in Rhetoric too.
    Jim Firth the double digit failure at local elections wrote a piece dissing me about the LaMalfa townhall. He must have been at a different townhall. I expect nothing less from these democrats though. If their lips are moving……

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  26. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Steven Frisch | 09 September 2015 at 04:39 PM
    So in a debate with you the audience must sit through you citing the HTTP’s of all you information? What a bureaucrat!

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  27. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Todd, I think you missed the point of suggesting Frisch debate the politics side… he has no science credibility or talent, and I would like to keep the participants to a least a Bachelors, preferably in a science more sciency than political science is.
    Frisch, this here’s a negotiation, not a take it or leave it medieval gauntlet thrown to the ground while basking in the warm Medieval Climate Optimum sun, and bad teeth. My interest is both more realistic and more educational than yours; if you don’t want to participate you don’t have to.

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  28. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    “it does not require participants to direct source their material. No debate is a ‘real’ debate if sources used are not cited and held up to scrutiny. Thus people here can cite Heartland Institute opinion excess as ‘proof’. That’ snot proof it is an echo chamber.”
    -Frisch
    No, Steve, you can’t prove any theory true in the physical world. You can only demonstrate how it is false. Read Popper. Google “Popperian falsification”.
    Outside of this Russian Uzbek Astrophysicist
    http://climateconferences.heartland.org/habibullo-abdussamatov/
    I can’t remember citing anything from Heartland, but Abdussamatov’s credibility comes from his work at the Pulkovo Observatory and long list of publications.

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  29. Russ Avatar

    Paul@04:02PM
    You wrote: “I profiled Anthony a few years back for his own craziness in regard to alleged plots to distort the temp records.”
    Could you please post your profile of Anthony, I have worked with Anthony for years and he has worked hard to promote solid science, rejecting craziness and plots. Let’s see your evidence.
    I worked with Anthony on his surface station project where he published a paper showing that the current temperature records were being distorted by the urbanization of weather station that used to be rural. The often cited Lake Tahoe surface station saw a jump in night time temperatures after the tennis courts were build in the early 1980. The dark green concrete tennis courts heated during the day and warmed the weather station sensors only 25-30 feet away.
    Volunteers all across the nation visited a photographed the weather stations, and found hundreds that no longer met the siting standards set by NOAA. The Marysville station was surrounded by black top, and active cell tower, BBQs and airconditioner exhaust vents. This sighting produced high temperatures, especially when the fire crew was BBQing dinner. You can find more details on the surface station project here: http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/07/29/press-release-2/
    Recognizing the sighting problem NOAA has build a network of stations that meet a detailed standard and are placed in rural areas away from urban heat islands.
    NOAA established this network of 114 temperature stations spread out fairly uniformly throughout the United States. Known as the U.S. Climate Reference Network (USCRN), it is so uniformly and pristinely situated, the temperature data requires no adjustments to provide an accurate nationwide temperature record. USCRN began compiling temperature data in January 2005.
    According to the USCRN temperature readings after ten years the United States has cooled by approximately 0.4 degrees Celsius, which is more than half of the claimed global warming of the twentieth century.
    It was not a plot to distort the temperature records, it was urban growth. Anthony’s project highlighed the need for a better climate network and NOAA built it. The USCRN indicates 10 years of cooling in the US. The satellite record shows no cooling globally for the last 18 years, 8 months. The globe is not warming, yet public policy are being forces on the economy to correct a problem that no longer exists. Why?

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  30. George Rebane Avatar

    Question – How would ‘Oxford’ or any other debate rules obviate what I outlined in my 356pm? It sounds like Mr Frisch has again performed for us the progressive sidestep on this very pragmatic question. As Mr Goodknight suggested in his 456pm to Mr Frisch, “if you don’t want to participate you don’t have to.” Send your champion.
    No matter the quality of the participants, the problem that remains is the audience for any such debate that hangs on its technical merits.

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  31. fish Avatar
    fish

    jeffpelline on September 9, 2015 at 6:29 pm
    I’m reading Rebane’s blog and noticing that Ph.D.’s count count either! At least he proved that The Union isn’t mirroring its own community’s views on global warming: Prop 23 lost in our county, yet The Union is running more viewpoints from the “global deniers.” That’s not a growth strategy for your business — that’s a “hanging on” strategy.

    If you have a beef……beef….hah…..I crack myself up…..you should drop by and chat about it. Low rent jeffy …..really “all hat, not cattle”.

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  32. fish Avatar
    fish


    jeffpelline on September 9, 2015 at 6:54 pm
    Reading that blog further, why won’t Gregory accept Steve Frisch’s invitation for a debate on climate change? I think he’s afraid of losing.
    Like George Rebane, Gregory mistakenly thinks that earning an engineering or physics degree makes a person a climate science expert. Of course, this is the same group whose climate science hero is a former TV weatherman from Chico. ROFLOL!
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    Hey Greg…….Nevada City’s version of a postmenopausal “Crazy Cat Lady” doesn’t think you’re up to the challenge

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  33. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    So fish, the bigboy who is a expert at rhetoric is judging true smart people like Gregory and GeorgeR? What a over the top lib he is.
    Also, GeorgeB is getting trashed by the bigboy too. Apparently the topic was affordable housing and it seems the bigboy was whining about a neighbor building a granny. So how come he is dissing GB?

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  34. Bill Toz Avatar
    Bill Toz

    fish @ 6:52 quoting The Purple Mountain Majesy.
    “(Baby Huey) been “noticing that Ph.D.’s count count either!” What in the Sam Hill is that onery wildebeest snorting about now? What the Sam Hill is he trying to say to us? Is this some kind of message you need your secret decoder ring to understand??
    Whatever “that Ph.D.’s count count either!’ is! I haven’t the foggiest. Must be some kind of award winning Jouralism secret “hi” sign I bet.

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  35. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    “Reading that blog further, why won’t Gregory accept Steve Frisch’s invitation for a debate on climate change? I think he’s afraid of losing.” -Peeline
    To the contrary, there’s a proposal on the table. I think he’s afraid of not having an advantage.
    Here’s one dictionary entry for debate:
    noun
    1. a discussion, as of a public question in an assembly, involving opposing viewpoints: a debate in the Senate on farm price supports.
    2.a formal contest in which the affirmative and negative sides of a proposition are advocated by opposing speakers.
    3.deliberation; consideration.
    4.Archaic. strife; contention.
    Not afraid of losing a debate on the subject of climate change, but Frisch’s original take it or leave it wasn’t a debate invite, it was either an invite to a mudball fight or, more likely, an offer designed to be unacceptable so you and frisch could claim I was chicken.
    He claimed to be able to deliver Peter Gleick, best known nowadays for fraudulently representing himself to be a Heartland Director in order to get private materials and, when they weren’t as juicy as he had hoped, fabricated an addition to the materials that was more what he hoped to find, including statements along the lines of Heartland being most afraid of what Peter Gleick might do to thwart their evil deeds. Oh, and at the time he was the chairman of the American Geophysical Union’s task force on scientific ethics and integrity. The irony, it burns.
    Way to go, Peter! I kind of doubt Frisch would deliver him, and I wasn’t going to waste the time of any scientist I respected to make it a real dog and pony show.
    Frisch wants to argue in public; here we go, Steve. There’s an offer to put together an event to discuss climate change. You can have exhanges with some fellow non scientists who have a political point of view, and those of us who would like to argue the science side of a proposition will have that opportunity. A neutral educational venue, some of the better science teachers in the area can be a part of it.
    Take it as is, suggest changes, or go off in a corner and stockpile mudballs. Your choice.

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  36. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    BTW I challenged Pelline to a footrace last year. Starts with putting on socks and shoes (with laces) in front of the NC Police station, followed by a mad dash to The National front door.
    I think he was afraid of losing.

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  37. Bill Toz Avatar
    Bill Toz

    Debate sounds great. A free flowing exchange of ideas and a personal way to understand another’s viewpoint. A coming together, if you will. What possibly could go wrong?
    http://news.yahoo.com/video/high-school-seminar-quickly-went-220906415.html

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  38. Bill Toz Avatar
    Bill Toz

    Gregory @ 10:24pm.
    I could see putting on one’s shoes AND lacing them up would give one person in the foot race a distinct disadvantage. You would be sitting down inside The National sipping on an adult beverage while the other party was still struggling to reach down and find the laces on the second shoe. He would have to lay on his back and lift his legs straight up just to see the laces. That’s how he rolls when he puts his mind to it.

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  39. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    George
    What about the assumed rights of those we conquered in our pursuit of manifest destiny ? Do These rights only exist for those that are powerful enough to maintain them ? Big questions for sure and if you mix a Christian ethic in it’s very messy.

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  40. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    From the sacbee:
    “In a major setback for Gov. Jerry Brown’s climate agenda, the governor and legislative leaders on Wednesday abandoned an effort to require a 50 percent reduction in petroleum use in motor vehicles by 2030.
    The announcement followed weeks of lobbying by oil companies and resistance not only from Republicans, but moderate Democrats in the Assembly.
    For Brown, the failure represented a rare legislative defeat, and on Wednesday there were two: In addition to dropping the petroleum reduction mandate from Senate Bill 350, Brown’s proposal to raise billions of dollars for road repairs appeared to stall.
    At a dreary news conference at the Capitol, Assembly Speaker Toni Atkins, D-San Diego, said she does not expect a vote on road funding before the legislative session concludes at the end of the week, though she said lawmakers will continue to discuss transportation funding later.
    Brown, who has made climate change a priority of his administration, said he will push forward on greenhouse gas emissions using his executive authority. The bill will preserve the California Air Resources Board’s existing power to make regulations that reduce emissions.
    “We might get another bill next year, we might just keep doing it by regulation,” Brown said. “California is not going to miss a beat. Be very clear about that. We don’t have a declaration in statute, but we have absolutely the same authority. We’re going forward. The only thing different is my zeal has been intensified to a maximum degree.”
    Brown and legislative leaders said other provisions of Senate Bill 350 will remain intact, including requiring the state to increase the proportion of electricity derived from renewable sources such as wind and solar.
    Yet with Brown in his final term in office, de León said legislation requiring the petroleum reduction was significant “so we know for a fact that this is the law” no matter who is governor.”

    GUESS not.

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  41. fish Avatar
    fish

    jeffpelline on September 9, 2015 at 10:19 pm
    BTW, Greg Goodknight is still unwilling to debate Steve Frisch on global climate change. I’m disappointed. The business card in front of him could read: “Independent software engineer at my place.” ROFLOL.

    Whoa there jeffy…..negotiations for a debate are in the early stages. You think that a good newsman would wait a bit to see how it all shakes out.
    Oh wait……sorry my bad!
    How’s the “independent publisher of a glossy advertising circular at my place” gig working?

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  42. Steven Frisch Avatar
    Steven Frisch

    In a real debate when people cite sources. The point of citing sources is so people watching the debate can judge for themselves the veracity of the source.
    One does not need to be a scientist to debate a scientific issue, one merely needs to understand the science and provide expert research and opinions.
    I am not seeking an advantage–I am seeking format where the rules are equally enforced for all participants–in such a venue I need no advantage, because people like Greg are incapable of controlling their emotions, engage in ad hominem attacks, use poorly sourced material and obfuscate to the point that the victor is clear.
    In short, I would wipe the floor with Greg because he is an ass, and although I too can be a pompous ass, I am aware of it and can control myself where he can’t. His arrogance combined with his hatred of his opponent would be apparent. That would be all the ‘advantage’ I would need.

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  43. fish Avatar
    fish

    I am not seeking an advantage–I am seeking format where the rules are equally enforced for all participants–in such a venue I need no advantage, because people like Greg are incapable of controlling their emotions, engage in ad hominem attacks, use poorly sourced material and obfuscate to the point that the victor is clear.
    Then I take it were still in the discussion phase?
    Your litany of complaints of behaviors you find off putting on a blog aren’t likely to manifest themselves in a more structured debate setting. I think Greg will behave.
    Will you?
    In short, I would wipe the floor with Greg because he is an ass, and although I too can be a pompous ass, I am aware of it and can control myself where he can’t. His arrogance combined with his hatred of his opponent would be apparent. That would be all the ‘advantage’ I would need.
    Then all that remains is for you to demonstrate that and not merely repeat your boasts like a boxer during a weigh in for a heavyweight match!
    Let’s get it on!

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  44. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Those debates with Dinesh Souza and the atheist Christopher Hitchens were amazing and informative. They discussed their positions and not once did either use a WWW. I am afraid Gregory and possibly my 18 year old grandson heading to US Davis would wipe the floor with Steve Frisch. Without Wiki and Google the man is hapless.

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  45. fish Avatar
    fish

    I am afraid Gregory and possibly my 18 year old grandson heading to US Davis would wipe the floor with Steve Frisch.
    Todd you really need to slow down and proof read! US Davis……Please!

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  46. fish Avatar
    fish

    jeffpelline on September 10, 2015 at 7:23 am
    You know that the local political blogs are short on commentators when “fish” (AKA David Larsen of Carmichael) keeps showing up. His home is Carmichael, not western Nevada County.
    http://www.ncc-1776.org/tle2011/tle603-20110116-02.html
    I wonder if he got kicked off the Carmichael blogs? LOL.

    I’ll say they are as you seem to spend so much of your time commenting on your own posts….either as a sock puppet or ……well we know who “comments” there. Sad…..
    Hey did you know that the internet is changing the way we communicate?

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  47. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Steve, you’re not controlling yourself now, nor have you ever debated the issue here.
    FYI there’s a discussion of global warming by two biologists who are agw believers at Peace Lutheran on Saturday. Pelline is reporting it as a debate.

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  48. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Fish, I am too fast with the enter key. Sorry.
    Regarding you posting here from your out of county home. I say, what! Pelline apparently has not noticed a person can comment from anywhere on the planet so perhaps he needs a re-education about the internet. I say bring it on from anywhere!
    I just read the League of Gal Voters is having a “discussion” about “climate change”. If they do not have a person who “denies” the hoax, then they are as biased as I always said.
    And last, Paul Emery, how come you never answered all those questions?

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  49. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE 1113pm – Would love to tackle the question, but I don’t know what “assumed rights” are?

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  50. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Todd Juvinall | 10 September 2015 at 08:04 AM
    He’s the nitwit who coined the phrase but somehow can’t seem to process the concept!

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